http://mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter234.txt
Sengoku is NICKNAMED "the Buddha". They were talking about "liberating" islands.
I direct you to this:
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=207
And Buddha is against knocking down trees and running people over with giant robots and that's why the REAL Buddha is crying.
Do you see? DO YOU?!
Put down the beer and take a nice long nap. When you wake up, it will be all over.
Techinically that robot is classified as a marine. I believe this may throw the balance of the three powers off and cause chuck norris to awaken the dead and take over the world as we know it.
Um, that robot is in no way related to One Piece.
As far as I've understood it, Do Flammingo's weird hand-thing is not only something that he does for attack, but simply something he does because it relates to his character, sort of how Captain Kuro keep doing that weird hand-thing to upper his glaces, even when not wearing those Edward Scissorhand-ish gloves.
If we check with the translation used at MSN-groups, we find another translation:
Doflammingo: "Hahaha! Haha! Aren't your words a bit too harsh? It's against your "Dai Buddha"-nickname"
Furthermore, Sengoku is also named Zango here, so this translation might be way inaccurrate. Anyway, the point is that this translation gives us a totally different outcome, in which DoFlammingo is simply mocking Sengoku for although being called "Buddha", he doesn't really live up to the Buddha-ideal, what with the mercy, selflessness, and being so-f*cking-nice-that-he-would-never-call-anyone-trash-of-the-sea-and-comment-his-total-dislike-of-what-the-Shichi-Bukai-actually-are-doing.
However, since I don't speak japanese beyond the extent of being able to say "Thank you, mr. Roboto!", I suggest that although Stephen's an awesome translator, somebody which the "proper linguistic knowledge" (Goddammit, I feel so intelligent using those words!) check this up.
Uh, dude, Sengoku is a title as much as Dai-Buddha is. Sengoku means Civil War in Japanese, and was an actual historical period. The three most famous leaders of Japan ruled during this period: Nobunaga Oda (Name look familiar?), who attempted to unify Japan but was assassinated; Hideyoshi Totoyomi, his sucessor, who also almost unified Japan but was denied the title of high shogun because of his common birth; and finally, Ieyasu Tokugawa, who after much political turmoil took the title of Shogun and kept it until the Meiji Restoration of 1868, which, coincidentally enough, was the time-period during Rurouni Kenshin, who Oda also worked on, IIRC.
Sengoku is a by the book, no-nonsense soldier. That's how he got his rank. With the most recent chapter out, it's also safe to say he probably has the power of the Light Devil Fruit, as well.
I'm pretty sure he's Kuzan's father, and that's why Kuzan went unpunished for the Ohara incident. Perhaps they're planning something together.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
Yes!!! Now Everything Is So Clear!!!
Oh, I thought that the title was Fleet Admiral, the real name was Sengoku, and Buddha was his nickname, but know I see.
Who has light Logia is Eneru not Sengoku.
Who has light Logia is Eneru not Sengoku.
No, you are wrong. He has Thunder Thunder-fruit or something like that.
Who has light Logia is Eneru not Sengoku.
Ah, no. There's a difference between Lightning and Light. Besides, Enel's fruit is the Goro Goro fruit, which is an Onomotapeia for Rumbling Thunder.
@Fire Fist:
Ah, no. There's a difference between Lightning and Light. Besides, Enel's fruit is the Goro Goro fruit, which is an Onomotapeia for Rumbling Thunder.
Ok, ok.
Enel´s in electronical lightning.
Ok, ok.
Enel´s in electronical lightning.
Not even. You don't seem to understand the difference between light and lightning.
Lightning is an energy force created as a result of two opposite charges. When a positive ionic force reacts with a negative ionic force, the resulting energy reaction between the two is what creates lightning. In most cases, this force is tremendous.
Light is pure energy. It's electromagnetic radiation that is visible to the naked eye.
The source of light comes from a particle known as a photon. Photons are microscopic particles that travel at a speed of 313,000 KPH.
Visible light is on a spectrum. Since all light is a wavelength, the vibration speed of the waves determine the color. There are 7 generally established colors: Red, Orange, Yellow, Blue, Green, Indigo, Violet. Although other colors such as pink or brown are visible, these are the 7 most common naturally occuring colors in visible light.
Light is a source of heat and visibility.
So, get the difference? Light is a much broader term and it's a very powerful force. Lightning is merely static discharge that occurs between the ground (Negative charge) and polarized water in the clouds (Positive charge).
@Fire Fist:
With the most recent chapter out, it's also safe to say he probably has the power of the Light Devil Fruit, as well.
uh yeah youve completly lost me, where was it ever even hinted that he has a light logia?
back on topic i agree with prety much everything Chlodwig wrote good stuff man^^
uh yeah youve completly lost me, where was it ever even hinted that he has a light logia?
back on topic i agree with prety much everything Chlodwig wrote good stuff man^^
His name.
Becoming a buddha means the highest form of enlightenment. His nickname could easily stem from the fact that he ate the Light fruit. Light ~ Enlightenment… get it?
well it seems like stretch to me but who knows, just thought since you said its almost certain that hes a light logia that you would have something a little more solid than his name,
i mean a names just a name so far it hasnt been many connection betwenn peoples names/titles and their DFs like Aokiji doesnt have the Pheasant fruit now does he ? nor does croc have the crocodile fruit.
the only one i can think of whos nick-name has even a slightest connection with his power is Blackbeard and the darkness fruit and that seems to be an exception but even still that connection is still way more obvious than the connection you propose betwenn light and the enlightenment of the Buddha as i said seems like kinda a stretch but thats just my opinion tho.
well it seems like stretch to me but who knows, just thought since you said its almost certain that hes a light logia that you would have something a little more solid than his name,
i mean a names just a name so far it hasnt been many connection betwenn peoples names/titles and their DFs like Aokiji doesnt have the Pheasant fruit now does he ? nor does croc have the crocodile fruit.
the only one i can think of whos nick-name has even a slightest connection with his power is Blackbeard and the darkness fruit and that seems to be an exception but even still that connection is still way more obvious than the connection you propose betwenn light and the enlightenment of the Buddha as i said seems like kinda a stretch but thats just my opinion tho.
Well, it's not just that.
Sengoku is at the highest position of Marine Command. So far, we have not seen him fight, but every marine that has some position has shown incredible strength. Saul lifted a 5000 ton battleship and chucked it into other ships, destroying no less than 9 of the suckers. Kuzan froze a 100 foot tall giant in a matter of seconds. Garp was toting around a 500 ton iron ball like it was a baseball and 100 pound cannonballs. Smoker just beat the crud out of a 50,000,000 man and was discouraged it was that low.
The marines may be a military organization, but Shonen logic dictates that Sengoku has to be just as powerful as his subordinates. Spandam did not, because his organization was purely political, but Sengoku's is NOT political, and therefore logic dictates he must be as strong as his subordinates.
Therefore, the light fruit is a good guess.
Considering they are Devil Fruits… And Darkness is the Devil's ultimate power (or evil as rule)... Can there be a light DF with that considering...? Since Light is a force of good.
i am amazed by fire fist ace and i like the theory but we'll see
dude you should seriously write that on your signature cuz the whole budha-enlightment-light logia is a "bright" conclusion and is one of the coolest theories!!!!
I was thinking it would be Whitebeard who possessed the Light Light fruit.. but yeah, maybe it could be Sengoku.
But isn't Aokiji deemed the "Strongest Marine"? Shouldn't the light light fruit be more powerful than the ice ice one? (seeing as how the light thingy can actually BLIND you..)
Um, that robot is in no way related to One Piece.
They were talking about "liberating" islands which is some sort of euphemism for "cleaning". Like an "ethnic cleansing". You don't go scrubbing people, you go massacre them. It's a euphemism.
The robot was "liberating".
Sengoku and them were talking about "liberating" islands. So that means blood will be involved.
I was thinking it would be Whitebeard who possessed the Light Light fruit.. but yeah, maybe it could be Sengoku.
But isn't Aokiji deemed the "Strongest Marine"? Shouldn't the light light fruit be more powerful than the ice ice one? (seeing as how the light thingy can actually BLIND you..)
i remember reading aokiji was the strongest marine officer but i searched and didn't find it,could someone post a link?
also sengoku isn't involving in the whole chasing pirates but giving orders,i think he may not be considered a marine officer but as something else (actually that was ivotas saying
and i am 100% agreeing
)
Am I the only one who noticed that there's a one letter diffrence from Sengoku and Son Goku?
One letter means a world of difference in Japanese, or pretty much any language. For example, Kami means god, Kame means turtle. That's why the DBZ dub changed Kame-sennin (Turtle Hermit) to Master Roshi, so he wouldn't be confused with Kami (God).
Besides, if Sengoku is related to anyone in Japanese myth, it's Momotaro, the Peach boy. Momotaro fought with the Blue Pheasant, Red Dog, and Yellow Monkey against the Ogres using meat dumplings for energy.
Replace Meat dumplings with Devil Fruits, and there ya go.
I realize that, I'm just sayin'. So, for the Donflamingo issue, I'm just gonna throw out three words to change the topic:
Puppet Puppet Fruit.
We've already conceeded that a Puppet Puppet fruit would be too limited and hard to put into concept. It's probably the Suji Suji no Mi (String String Fruit).
Puppetx2 fruit could tottaly work. He controls people like puppets. What's limited about that?
Because that's all it does.
I mean, look at Bellamy's fruit. He only did two moves with it, but that's because he was stupid. If he had explored the possibilities, he could have made a crapload of stuff with it.
Most fruits have many abilities, it would be rather boring if they could only do one thing, and that's it.
Controlling people like puppets is cool, but the Suji Suji fruit could do a lot more than just that.
hmm, good point. Either that, or he's fuckin psychic.
He was just an admiral in the Robin flashback. I wonder who was the sengoku then. What was his name in the robin flashback? Was it just da buddha?
Um, Sengoku made no appearence in the Ohara flashback.
Yes he did, actually.
He's called Admiral Sengoku by Spandaine, but no one else refers to him by name. Sengoku is too odd to be a name, perhaps when you become an admiral, you take the title. Fleet admiral was his promotion and he kept his nickname, probably, and had another title tacked on.
I'm confused.
Why Sengoku is too odd to be name?
Even WB call's him with that name.
Sengoku is his name, Dai Buddha is his nickname and Fleet Admiral his title.
Simple.
@AD-HD:
I'm confused.
Why Sengoku is too odd to be name?
Even WB call's him with that name.Sengoku is his name, Dai Buddha is his nickname and Fleet Admiral his title.
Simple.
All the other Admirals have fake names as 2nd titles, so it would only make sense his name is fake, too. Sengoku means Civil War, so I doubt that's his real name.
Kuzan is Blue Pheasant (Aokiji), and his title is Admiral. Sakazuki is Red Dog (Akainu), and was formerly Garp, who is also "The Fist". And we know nothing about Kizaru.
All the other Admirals have fake names as 2nd titles, so it would only make sense his name is fake, too. Sengoku means Civil War, so I doubt that's his real name.
Kuzan is Blue Pheasant (Aokiji), and his title is Admiral. Sakazuki is Red Dog (Akainu), and was formerly Garp, who is also "The Fist". And we know nothing about Kizaru.
Maybe in real world Sengoku name would be wierd, but not in OP-world.
From stephen script:
[Marine Headquarters Chief Admiral (Gensui)]
[(High Commander of the Marine Forces)]
[Sengoku the Buddha]
Even WB calls him Sengoku, and I doubt that WB is that kind person who calls people with their titles. He has too much pride for that.
Sengoku the Buddha.
Sengoku is his real name. And it means weaing states, which was the time in Japan with all the ronin. Anyway, his title is fleet admiral, so they'd call him admiral.
Yeah, so why do the other admirals have title names? It wouldn't make sense to make Sengoku an exception. Maybe that's his real name, fine, but Dai-Buddha is his nickname, Fleet Admiral is his military title, so where's his title "name"?
Wait! Have we actually have had it confirmed that Aokiji and Akainu are real titles or just nicknames they changed to upon promotion…? Such as I had understood it Aokiji, "Blue Pheasant" was just something that was cool for an name to work under, sort of like how Edward Newgate prefers to use Whitebeard rather than his real name, and yet Whitebeard's not a title.
Such as I had understood it, "Blue Pheasant" was just an alias that Kuzan/Kazan begun using upon achieving the status of an Admiral, in the same way Edward Newgate uses "Whitebeard" or Shanks uses "Red-Hair" without it being his real name or a title, but simply a name to symbolise his power.
But yes, I know, just because Whitebeard isn't a title doesn't mean that Aokiji couldn't be a title either, because Whitebeard's a pirate and Aokiji's a marine, and there's quite another system of titles in each one of the two different fields.
However, I keep to my theory that Aokiji/Blue Pheasant is as much as a title as Shirohige/Whitebeard is.
And that Sengoku would be a weird name? Tss…
Some examples:
Don Krieg is simply a pll together of that title you keep hearing in mafia-movies and Krieg's simply German for war.
Smoker, Crocodile, Captain Kuro, and Kuma is soooo simple that I would feel embarrased if I would try to explain it. (When Smoker recently got promoted, he didn't change his name, and yes, I know that Smoker's in English and not Japanese as Sengoku)
...and then we got all that bunch of women with bird-names that nobody puts into question, all of them japanese.
Fullbody Ironfist, that's very weird name too, as Oda's actually explained the meaning of Fullbody.
Usopp isn't even a real name, it's just a play on words of Aesop (If you actually doesn't know who Aesop is, then you're free to check him up for yourselves) and the Japanese way of saying "I am a liar!", and yet nobody seems to wonder how that can possibly be his real name.
Therefore I would say that Blue Pheasant is probably a name to symbolise power, as Red-Hair or Whitebeard, but that Sengoku's probably his real name, and, it might sound a bit weird but, hey, so does almost everybody else! To conclude my theory, if now Sengoku is his real name, then "the Buddha" would might be the name he uses to symbolise power (As Bellamy "the Hyena").
@Chlodwig:
Wait! Have we actually have had it confirmed that Aokiji and Akainu are real titles or just nicknames they changed to upon promotion…? Such as I had understood it Aokiji, "Blue Pheasant" was just something that was cool for an name to work under, sort of like how Edward Newgate prefers to use Whitebeard rather than his real name, and yet Whitebeard's not a title.
Such as I had understood it, "Blue Pheasant" was just an alias that Kuzan/Kazan begun using upon achieving the status of an Admiral, in the same way Edward Newgate uses "Whitebeard" or Shanks uses "Red-Hair" without it being his real name or a title, but simply a name to symbolise his power.
But yes, I know, just because Whitebeard isn't a title doesn't mean that Aokiji couldn't be a title either, because Whitebeard's a pirate and Aokiji's a marine, and there's quite another system of titles in each one of the two different fields.
However, I keep to my theory that Aokiji/Blue Pheasant is as much as a title as Shirohige/Whitebeard is.
And that Sengoku would be a weird name? Tss…
Some examples:
Don Krieg is simply a pll together of that title you keep hearing in mafia-movies and Krieg's simply German for war.
Smoker, Crocodile, Captain Kuro, and Kuma is soooo simple that I would feel embarrased if I would try to explain it. (When Smoker recently got promoted, he didn't change his name, and yes, I know that Smoker's in English and not Japanese as Sengoku)
...and then we got all that bunch of women with bird-names that nobody puts into question, all of them japanese.
Fullbody Ironfist, that's very weird name too, as Oda's actually explained the meaning of Fullbody.Usopp isn't even a real name, it's just a play on words of Aesop (If you actually doesn't know who Aesop is, then you're free to check him up for yourselves) and the Japanese way of saying "I am a liar!", and yet nobody seems to wonder how that can possibly be his real name.
Therefore I would say that Blue Pheasant is probably a name to symbolise power, as Red-Hair or Whitebeard, but that Sengoku's probably his real name, and, it might sound a bit weird but, hey, so does almost everybody else! To conclude my theory, if now Sengoku is his real name, then "the Buddha" would might be the name he uses to symbolise power (As Bellamy "the Hyena").
All right, all right, point taken. But as for the Blue Pheasant, Red Dog, and Yellow Monkey being titles, I'm pretty sure they are. Why would all 3 admirals agree to change their names to a nickname depicting the same Japanese fairy tale, especially when they don't get along (At least Kuzan and Sakazuki)?
Besides, look at Garp. His nickname is "The Fist", but it's pretty obvious he was the former Akainu. He wears a red dog hat, and his ship has a huge red dog as the bowspirit. I think that's a pretty good clue.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
@Fire Fist:
Besides, look at Garp. His nickname is "The Fist", but it's pretty obvious he was the former Akainu. He wears a red dog hat, and his ship has a huge red dog as the bowspirit. I think that's a pretty good clue.
**I don't think it's a red dog. But you do make a good point, I have thought that perhaps Garp was a former Admiral who stepped down. Do maybe he was the former Akainu.
Actually, I think it goes like this. When on becomes an Admiral, they are accosiated with an animal. The three current Admiral just happen to have powers that reflect colors, such as ice = blue.**
The author of VG cats LOVES one piece, its one of his favs.
Actually, where have we gotten it confirmed that Garp's dog is red? Except for the 10th Anniversery calender, we have had no colour pictures of him in the manga so far in which we can state that the colour of his dog is actually red. Then, if you consider that there'd be some form of canon within the anime, then it should be said that the colour of the dog there's actually yellow.
However, this whole title-thing was pretty interesting. If we go the system of Japanese Emperors, they're born with a certain name, during their reign the rule under another, and after their deaths they're refered to another.
For Emperor Hirohito for example:
Born Prince Michi (Michi no miya)
Ruled (kinjo tenno) as Emperor Hirohito (Hirohito tenno)
After his death renamed Emperor Showa (Showa tenno)
And Showa's also the official name of his reign.
It should also in this case be added that the name that His Imperial Majesty chose as the official name for his reign, Showa, ironically means "Enlightened Peace", which hard to assocciate with one of the men who led Japan into the most bloody and horrorble wars that human kind has ever seen, WWII.
Maybe I should now go into the fact that the term "Enlightened" is something that's very often assocciated with the founder of a certain major Asian religion, and also touch upon the fact that His Imperial Majesty Emperor Showa for some reason seems to resemble a certain character in One Piece…
But no.
I honestly do not think that there's any connection between Sengoku and Emperor Showa, but merely some interesting co-incident all over it.
However, maybe there's something to be conceived from this title-system.
Garp isn't Akainu.
Most probably.
Aka Inu is definitly not Garp. First off, Garp is a vice-admiral. Second, Aka Inu is a brotha.
@Impel:
Aka Inu is definitly not Garp. First off, Garp is a vice-admiral. Second, Aka Inu is a brotha.
Do you know what WAS means? We're not saying he IS Akainu, we're saying he WAS Aka Inu but stepped down. Dog hat, Dog ship. Cmon…
According to that argument we can conclude that Masira must have stolen his ship somehow from Kizaru.
@Chlodwig:
According to that argument we can conclude that Masira must have stolen his ship somehow from Kizaru.
… Don't be stupid.
Masira is a monkey because of the joke. Saru means Salvage and Monkey in Japanese, hence why Masira and Shoujou are monkeys.
Garp is a marine. He's a very famous marine to boot. There's no reason for his ship to have a big dog on the front and his hat to be a dog unless it pertains to him. Akainu is a military title, as we discovered. It's very probable and likely that he passed this title down to the most appropriate person, hence why Sakazuki's eyes were hidden.
Reinstatement since some people still don't get my point:
Donflamingo was not threatening Sengoku but was simply joking about the difference between Sengoku, ordering a cleansing of islands, and Buddha.
Reinstatement since some people still don't get my point:
Donflamingo was not threatening Sengoku but was simply joking about the difference between Sengoku, ordering a cleansing of islands, and Buddha.
Are you at it again?
Are you at it again?
I had a shocking revelation and saw God.
Read first post. With the giant robot and all that.
