Well, I must honestly say that Sogeking wouldn't have too many oppurtunities. If he can keep Krieg at bay and not piss him off too much, the fight will be in his favor. If Krieg gets within 20 feet of Sogeking and is highly upset, well, they won't be playing the theme music.
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Don Krieg vs. Sogeking
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Don't know if it's been said yet but…..Poison gas bullet how does Sogeking deal with that?
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He's wearing a mask, so it won't work? No.
If Sogeking was on top of a large tower and Krieg was on the ground, Sogeking would destroy him. Otherwise, Sogeking would get his ass handed to him.
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So area is a key part in whether Sogeking will win or lose.
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I honestly don't think being on top of a tower would help Sogeking very much… at all. I just rewatched episode 29, and Krieg spontaneously made it to the top of the mast in about 8 seconds. And that mast was pretty damn tall.
Also proof that Krieg isn't a "lardass". -_-
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Does one of the dials absorb gas?
As of now, I'm pretty sure Luffy can break Krieg with one attack without Gears.
Diamond knuckles matter squat. Usopp can run away and hide. Then throw some seizure lights. Then splode him.
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Now Luffy could probably beat without Gear 2 or 3. And Dials can absorb gas.
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As of now, I'm pretty sure Luffy can break Krieg with one attack without Gears.
Feel free to rewatch the fight again.
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Usopp/Sogeking would win. He's the Batman of One Piece; give him time to plan and he can take down people significantly stronger than him. He was able to deal some damage to ****ing Luffy. Even if he didn't know what Krieg can do, he has more than enough stuff in his bag and wits in his head to take him out.
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@Le:
Feel free to rewatch the fight again.
gomu gomu no cannon.
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The problem with Cannon is the long time it takes in order to "charge" it up. And even Bazooka took a bit to crack Kreig's armor.
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Le Lawliet has a point. Other than Arlong and Lucci, Krieg currently ranks 3rd in being able to take the most amount of consistent attacks from Luffy.
Lets count:
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Gomu Gomu pistol-When he put up the porcupine cape. Krieg was stunned by Luffy's sheer power, but was in no way "hurt". Luffy's right hand is riddled in holes and drips blood.
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Gomu Gomu whip (Or stamp)-Shortly after the first attack. Hurt Krieg's shoulder, and knocked off one of the shields.
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Gomu Gomu gatling-Happened after Luffy broke the battle-spear. Krieg stood there and laughed it off.
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Gomu Gomu pistol 2-Krieg took a major blow, but was still able to fight. He also claimed after this that his shield was "impervious to Luffy's "monkey fist".
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Gomu Gomu bazooka-Krieg was sent flying, but laughed (Note: His armor had a tiny dent).
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Gomu Gomu bazooka 2-Krieg is flabbergasted and coughs up blood as pieces of the steel armor fly everywhere (Note: Luffy's hands are very bruised at this point and his arms are covered in blood)
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Gomu Gomu giant gavel (Don't know the official translation)-Krieg SOMEHOW gets up after the last attack, and traps Luffy in a net. Luffy slams him into the Baratie. Even after this, Krieg gets up unconsciously and shakes off his crewmates who try to pin him down. (Note:Luffy passes out from a loss of blood).
No way in HELL can Luffy knock him out in one punch.
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@Masta:
Le Lawliet has a point. Other than Arlong and Lucci, Krieg currently ranks 3rd in being able to take the most amount of consistent attacks from Luffy.
Lets count:
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Gomu Gomu pistol-When he put up the porcupine cape. Krieg was stunned by Luffy's sheer power, but was in no way "hurt". Luffy's right hand is riddled in holes and drips blood.
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Gomu Gomu whip (Or stamp)-Shortly after the first attack. Hurt Krieg's shoulder, and knocked off one of the shields.
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Gomu Gomu gatling-Happened after Luffy broke the battle-spear. Krieg stood there and laughed it off.
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Gomu Gomu pistol 2-Krieg took a major blow, but was still able to fight. He also claimed after this that his shield was "impervious to Luffy's "monkey fist".
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Gomu Gomu bazooka-Krieg was sent flying, but laughed (Note: His armor had a tiny dent).
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Gomu Gomu bazooka 2-Krieg is flabbergasted and coughs up blood as pieces of the steel armor fly everywhere (Note: Luffy's hands are very bruised at this point and his arms are covered in blood)
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Gomu Gomu giant gavel (Don't know the official translation)-Krieg SOMEHOW gets up after the last attack, and traps Luffy in a net. Luffy slams him into the Baratie. Even after this, Krieg gets up unconsciously and shakes off his crewmates who try to pin him down. (Note:Luffy passes out from a loss of blood).
No way in HELL can Luffy knock him out in one punch.
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Jet Bazooka busted through Tekkai. That's the equivalent of steel. Plus, it knocked Bleuno out.
So, yes, Luffy could easily OHKO Krieg with Gear 2nd. I doubt even Arlong would fare too well against Gear 2nd. Arlong is Luffy's 2nd strongest opponent, but Lucci was completely on a different level.
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You would have a point, Fire Fist, if it wasn't for the fact that we were talking about Luffy being able to beat Kreig with one blow without Gears.
And number 7 on Masta D's list should be hammer I think.
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As of now, Luffy could definitely OHKO Krieg. I fail to see how this armor people are praising couldn't be easily broken by base Luffy at this point, given how easily he's been blowing holes in armor since (see the fight at the Franky house). The dude is only 17 million berries, and that's WITH his 5,000 ship armada. That's the level of threat he poses to the WG. Bellamy, with his 55 million bounty, was KOed by a single (unstretched) hit from Luffy. Let's get real, folks.
Now, as for Sogeking v. Krieg.
I am in full agreement with Terek and Aldrich, and most of the other people with sense in this thread. People have been spending all this time talking about what Sogeking/Usopp can do, but honestly - if Spandam can get up from being shot in the face by King in a few seconds, Usopp's fire isn't hot enough to MELT armor. Such a claim is ridiculous. People keep talking about Sogeking using an impact dial and assuming that Sogeking would even use one (as far as we've seen, Usopp and King have a different moveset), I frankly doubt he'd be able to make an opportunity to grab Krieg's face to do it.
To all the people who're talking about "oh, but Sogeking won't let Krieg get close!" I heard the exact same thing about Usopp "kiting" Jyabura, and we saw how that went. Krieg isn't going to stand there and get shot at.
I say that based on what we know of the characters, Krieg takes this.
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Isn't it funny how discussions like this bring out people's personal opinions on a character, rather then looking at the facts?
A lot of people seem to be missing the human element in this discussion. The MH5, for example, would never be used in this fight simply because Kreig is too arrogant to use it. He only uses that weapon in major battles, and I doubt he'd ever see Sogeking or Usopp as important enough to use it on, even if he was losing.
As for close combat, Usopp has proved to be easily led (shown in the Jyabura fight) so he's very likely to be affected by Kreig's words as well as his actions. This coupled with Kreig's superior close combat weapons (the spear, the cloak, the armour) would led to Usopp's defeat, despite his ability to take punishment. This is, of course, unless Usopp pulls a new super weapon out of his ass, as our dear One Piece characters are prone to.
Long range fighting would be a different matter though. Sogeking has better long lange vision due to his goggles, as well as naturally better aim. It would be a long fight, as I'd agree that most of his weapons would not be powerful enough to take Kreig down in one, or two, or five shots (however, I'm not saying they are weak, because Spandam is a moot point, having taken punishment from Franky, Robin, and a girder to the face and having come out of those fine), but as long as Usopp kept his distance, didn't shoot at the armour and played to his advantages, he'd win.
I wouldn't agree they would be on equal footing at long range, as Kreig's weapons are mid range rather than long range. Mid range would be anyone's guess, although I'd give the edge to Usopp merely because he's not being weighed down.
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As of now, Luffy could definitely OHKO Krieg. I fail to see how this armor people are praising couldn't be easily broken by base Luffy at this point, given how easily he's been blowing holes in armor since (see the fight at the Franky house). The dude is only 17 million berries, and that's WITH his 5,000 ship armada. That's the level of threat he poses to the WG. Bellamy, with his 55 million bounty, was KOed by a single (unstretched) hit from Luffy. Let's get real, folks.
Now, as for Sogeking v. Krieg.
I am in full agreement with Terek and Aldrich, and most of the other people with sense in this thread. People have been spending all this time talking about what Sogeking/Usopp can do, but honestly - if Spandam can get up from being shot in the face by King in a few seconds, Usopp's fire isn't hot enough to MELT armor. Such a claim is ridiculous. People keep talking about Sogeking using an impact dial and assuming that Sogeking would even use one (as far as we've seen, Usopp and King have a different moveset), I frankly doubt he'd be able to make an opportunity to grab Krieg's face to do it.
To all the people who're talking about "oh, but Sogeking won't let Krieg get close!" I heard the exact same thing about Usopp "kiting" Jyabura, and we saw how that went. Krieg isn't going to stand there and get shot at.
I say that based on what we know of the characters, Krieg takes this.
Did you, like, skim through the whole thread…? Did you even read my last post? It took Luffy 7 attacks to break Krieg's armor and he STILL got up. And you are actually comparing one of the Franky semi-giants to Krieg….? Pathetic.
Anyway, bot:
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Sogeking did not use a flame star to shoot Spandam (Correct me if I'm wrong). And his Phoenix star would certainly burn the wootz steel armor, or at least heat it to the point where Krieg couldn't stand it.
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Once again, the Soge-Usopp analogy and fighting style differences thing is retarded. I'll use my prime example: Going by your logic, Batman won't use the fighting stlye Bruce Wayne trains in when he faces villains.
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Does Krieg know soru??? And of course Krieg won't stand there and take it, thats why he'd use his own projectiles. But his skill in long-range weapons is far below that of Sogeking's (Which was already stated). Krieg's best bet long range would be the poison darts. And he only used those once Luffy made him mad and headed towards him. Area, distance, timing, all of them are important factoids during a fight, especially with people like these two. It's why I chose them to fight each other.
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Krieg, armorless, can't take attacks very well. When Luffy hit him in the face, he went down pretty hard. Rememer, most of the attacks were to the armor.
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@Le:
The problem with Cannon is the long time it takes in order to "charge" it up. And even Bazooka took a bit to crack Kreig's armor.
Doesn't change the fact that a single cannon can completley destroy kriegs armor.
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I am in full agreement with Terek and Aldrich, and most of the other people with sense in this thread. People have been spending all this time talking about what Sogeking/Usopp can do, but honestly - if Spandam can get up from being shot in the face by King in a few seconds, Usopp's fire isn't hot enough to MELT armor. Such a claim is ridiculous. People keep talking about Sogeking using an impact dial and assuming that Sogeking would even use one (as far as we've seen, Usopp and King have a different moveset), I frankly doubt he'd be able to make an opportunity to grab Krieg's face to do it.
Spandam isn't proof at all, he got sat on by an elephant, for science sake. Although I seriously doubt the fire is hot enough to melt armor, you can't use Spamdam as an arguement.
Even then, I still think Sogeking would lose, all because of the armor. If he didn't have it, then that would be a whole new story.
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Doesn't change the fact that a single cannon can completley destroy kriegs armor.
In case you didn't read my post, it took 4 consecutive attacks to break the armor. 2 of those attacks were fully charged bazookas.
What, are you trying to say Krieg is weak???
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@Masta:
Did you, like, skim through the whole thread…? Did you even read my last post? It took Luffy 7 attacks to break Krieg's armor and he STILL got up. And you are actually comparing one of the Franky semi-giants to Krieg….? Pathetic.
Anyway, bot:
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Sogeking did not use a flame star to shoot Spandam (Correct me if I'm wrong). And his Phoenix star would certainly burn the wootz steel armor, or at least heat it to the point where Krieg couldn't stand it.
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Once again, the Soge-Usopp analogy and fighting style differences thing is retarded. I'll use my prime example: Going by your logic, Batman won't use the fighting stlye Bruce Wayne trains in when he faces villains.
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Does Krieg know soru??? And of course Krieg won't stand there and take it, thats why he'd use his own projectiles. But his skill in long-range weapons is far below that of Sogeking's (Which was already stated). Krieg's best bet long range would be the poison darts. And he only used those once Luffy made him mad and headed towards him. Area, distance, timing, all of them are important factoids during a fight, especially with people like these two. It's why I chose them to fight each other.
I read the entire thread, thank you, including your last post. I wonder if I can say the same for you?
It took pre-Grandline, post-Kuro Luffy 7 hits to break Krieg's armor.
What part of Luffy as he is now, did you not understand? The comparison I made between Krieg's armor and the Franky family's armor was between their armor alone. If you can explain to me why me citing one of many examples in which Luffy, since fighting Krieg, breaks a hole in metal armor - in order to prove my point that Krieg's armor isn't all that big of an impediment to even base Luffy now - is pathetic, maybe I'll be able to understand why you can ignore the points someone makes to fuel your theory-fighting.
I'll refrain from responding to your other points just yet, because I know you'll only ignore the above.
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@Masta:
In case you didn't read my post, it took 4 consecutive attacks to break the armor. 2 of those attacks were fully charged bazookas.
What, are you trying to say Krieg is weak???
**So? Not only is Luffy way stronger than he was at the baratie, but gomu gomu no cannon is many times more powerful than a couple of bazooka's.
And you seemed to forget that the armor of the members of the franky house was strong enough to survive a barrage of battleships without breaking. Luffy tore through that with one gomu gomu no cannon.
Therefore Luffy can defeat Krieg and his armor with a single attack.**
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Feel free to rewatch the fight again.
Oops, I meant with one hit.
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**So? Not only is Luffy way stronger than he was at the baratie, but gomu gomu no cannon is many times more powerful than a couple of bazooka's.
And you seemed to forget that the armor of the members of the franky house was strong enough to survive a barrage of battleships without breaking. Luffy tore through that with one gomu gomu no cannon.
Therefore Luffy can defeat Krieg and his armor with a single attack.**
Luffy stronger? With Gear 2 yes….but I don't think base Luffy's strength has vastly changed.
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@yvj:
Luffy stronger? With Gear 2 yes….base Luffy is probably the same strength.
When I take a step, my body is working. When I punch, my body is working **harder than when I take a single step. And when I am in a couple of near death fights in a single month with out any lasting serious injury, both my mind and body are working really hard.
Get the picture?**
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When I take a step, my body is working. When I punch, my body is working **harder than when I take a single step. And when I am in a couple of near death fights in a single month with out any lasting serious injury, both my mind and body are working really hard.
Get the picture?**
That's not real proof that Luffy has gotten physically stronger in just a month…Just becuase he's almost died in a matter of days many times doesn't mean he's vasty stronger than he was when he fought Krieg.
Now with Gear 2 yes
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@yvj:
That's not real proof that Luffy has gotten physically stronger in just a month…Just becuase he's almost died in a matter of days many times doesn't mean he's vasty stronger than he was when he fought Krieg.
Now with Gear 2 yes
**Yes, it is.
It's not even that. Luffy went from the baratie with an axe to easily breaking an entire stone buildinng with a volcano. Axe > Volcano according to common sense.
He went from barley beating Arlong to giving the beat down on Blueno without gears.**
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**Yes, it is.
It's not even that. Luffy went from the baratie with an axe to easily breaking an entire stone buildinng with a volcano. Axe > Volcano according to common sense.
He went from barley beating Arlong to giving the beat down on Blueno without gears.**
Now, now, you're only going to give them a headache with your "logic" and your "common sense." Let people pour over their theories.
It makes them happy, however wrong.
There's a great lighthearted vibe around here, because no matter how serious we might get, we're all together because of some magical pirate.
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Now, now, you're only going to give them a headache with your "logic" and your "common sense." Let people pour over their theories.
It makes them happy, however wrong.
you know it just makes you look like an ass when you have to try and point out how "intelligent" and "logical" you think you are and how stupid you think everyone else who has a diffrent opinion is especialy in a case like this when there is no given right or wrong and probably never will be,
so id like to advise you to let your arguments speak for themselves and leave the insults in the sandbox where they belong^^.
but back on topic id like to join Masta D and ask why kiting as you put it the slowmowing(relativly) Kreig wouldnt work just cause it failed against a lightning fast Soru user?.
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base Luffy is probably the same strength.
I gagged when I saw this.
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While I agree that a cannon would probably take Kreig down, would Kreig let Luffy waste his time charging up the technique?
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I gagged when I saw this.
None of the Straw Hats have gotten 'stronger' since East Blue; they've grown in experience and technique, but they're not more powerful.
Our current Luffy would still take seven, maybe six hits to break through Krieg's armour. Gear 2 Luffy could probably take him out with a single hit. Gear 3 Luffy is overkill.
I cannot understand why people seem to try and cast this invisible phenomenon known as "getting stronger" as common sense, when there's absolutely nothing in the manga that empirically verifies it. It's just dumbarse fanboy speculation at its worst; a clearly indication of thick-headeness and mental inability, if I do say so myself.
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I cannot understand why people seem to try and cast this invisible phenomenon known as "getting stronger" as common sense, when there's absolutely nothing in the manga that empirically verifies it. It's just dumbarse fanboy speculation at its worst; a clearly indication of thick-headeness and mental inability, if I do say so myself.
Whenever Luffy fights, he exercises.
Uhh… yeah...
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I almost forgot Luffy was using Soru back during his East Blue adventures. He's was just as fast back then.
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I almost forgot Luffy was using Soru back during his East Blue adventures. He's was just as fast back then.
**Yeah, I remember that. Kuro wasn't even a challenge.
@ M_T: Seriously. You know very well that every SH fight = hardcore training. With fights at that level of diffuculty, it's impossible for them NOT to have gotten physiccaly stronger by a decent amount. I do think that their skill has increased more than their physical ability, but the physical growth simply cannot be ignored.** @[B:
Le Lawliet]While I agree that a cannon would probably take Kreig down, would Kreig let Luffy waste his time charging up the technique?
He might. He has an enourmas ego. He was gonna fight with Mihawk thinking he would own him.
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@ M_T: Seriously. You know very well that every SH fight = hardcore training. With fights at that level of diffuculty, it's impossible for them NOT to have gotten physiccaly stronger by a decent amount. I do think that their skill has increased more than their physical ability, but the physical growth simply cannot be ignored.
You can really only make that claim for the recent W7 arc; in terms of "strength", the Straw Hats much challenge themselves with a much more powerful physical opponent in order for them to become more powerful. Mere exercise does not sustain growth, it merely preserves it and sometimes hinders erosion of strength.
I would agree that Luffy and Zoro have continually stacked up physical feats that would support your idea, but I'm throwing the whole notion out because you are likely to make the claim that Sanji and Usopp, who have demonstrated interesting feats of strength and that there is some alleged comparability between Sanji and Zoro.
If Sanji, without doing much extraneous physical activity, cannot be comparable to Zoro unless he was already as strong as he was in W7. The Arabasta fights were but a single day, and before that Sanji had barely any fights; it's tough to measure how powerful he really was, but we know he didn't do much in the way of fighting tough enemies and instead merely kicked around lesser foes. Zoro, on the other hand, has challenged himself multiple times, even in Skypiea where Sanji was inactive, and in his spare time he trains at that.
So, by this logic, I have arrived at several conclusions:
1. The Straw Hats get stronger, evident in Luffy and Zoro. However, Sanji started off in the series stronger than Zoro and is thus becoming progressively weaker in comparison to the rising strength of Luffy and Zoro.
2. The Straw Hats never get stronger, and there's nothing that directly illustrates this.
3. The Straw Hats get stronger, evident in all Straw Hats. Sanji becomes stronger regardless of how much work Zoro puts in.#3 is totally wrong, since for "balancing" purpose that effectively makes Zoro a worthless character. #2 is my previous conclusion, and #1 is the new one I came up with and I rather like it.
My views have been shifted.
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While I think Sanji and Zoro are about even, the timing for conclusion 1 could be true. As soon as Sanji came around, Zoro got the shit beaten out of him, maybe he got weaker because of his injury? It makes a little more sense now, since Zoro might finally be back to good health.
Wait, how did this become a topic about Sanji vs. Zoro?
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So, by this logic, I have arrived at several conclusions:
1. The Straw Hats get stronger, evident in Luffy and Zoro. However, Sanji started off in the series stronger than Zoro and is thus becoming progressively weaker in comparison to the rising strength of Luffy and Zoro.
I'm afraid that I have to disagree with you on this point.
Sanji and Zoro both started off rather strong in the series, and are still very close in strength/power/skill to each other, but I think Zoro has always been just ahead of Sanji.
Zoro, even though he was wounded, managed to take down Cabaji.
Sanji, though wounded… lost to Gin.
Now, we could sit around and compare the strengths of Gin to those of Cabaji, but I don't think we'd get anywhere with that. Cabaji, second mate, pretty much took out Mohji, first mate, with a kick. I'd consider Cabaji to be second strongest of that crew. Gin already is first mate/battle commander, and second strongest next to Krieg.
So, those two are about the same. I don't think we could say Sanji lost to Gin because of Gin's fighting style, whereas Zoro's opponent also used swords, either. Swords = slicing/stabbing. Kicks/Tonfas = heavy blows.
My point is that Sanji has been weaker than Zoro ever since the beginning, though not by much.
Waaaay off topic...
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I almost forgot Luffy was using Soru back during his East Blue adventures. He's was just as fast back then.
You seriously believe this…? I am not even going to bother getting into "how Luffy stopped Kuro debate" but know this: Soru makes you many times faster. He just learned it.
I read the entire thread, thank you, including your last post. I wonder if I can say the same for you?
It took pre-Grandline, post-Kuro Luffy 7 hits to break Krieg's armor.
What part of Luffy as he is now, did you not understand? The comparison I made between Krieg's armor and the Franky family's armor was between their armor alone. If you can explain to me why me citing one of many examples in which Luffy, since fighting Krieg, breaks a hole in metal armor - in order to prove my point that Krieg's armor isn't all that big of an impediment to even base Luffy now - is pathetic, maybe I'll be able to understand why you can ignore the points someone makes to fuel your theory-fighting.
I'll refrain from responding to your other points just yet, because I know you'll only ignore the above.
Your full of yourself.
Quite frankly, your contradictions are stressing me out too. You stooped so low as to use Krieg and Bellamy's bounties as an example. Lets use your logic then. Sogeking's bounty is 30 million dineros. Going by your logic, Sogeking is stronger than Krieg and Arlong. But wait, your against Usopp beating them. Muchas Contradictas!
Also, don't quote me about Krieg's armor. It makes you look silly. Base Luffy as of now did not get a dozen times stronger since the Baratie. There was NO Frieza arc, he did not train in 10X Earth gravity or become a Super Saiyajin. The first fight with Lucci proved Luffy had been using raw talent and needed to get stronger. Am I saying Luffy hasn't gotten ANY stronger in his base form…? Of course not, but you are giving base Luffy (And the Franky Family scene for that matter) waaay too much credit.
- Armor is not going to do you good if YOU aren't strong enough to take it.
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- In this arc, breaking the armor was almost like the CP9 arc and trying to break the tekkai. As mentioned before, I believe his armor flexes with the rest of his body. Not just in this pic, look at every angle. Krieg is doing tae bo while wearing over a ton of several-centimeters-thick steel. What can we infer from this….?
That Krieg can take quite a few hits. Luffy smashed THROUGH the steel and punched him. I'm surprised he didn't gag on his insides. After that, Krieg took a giant hammer and GOT UP.
Also, I didn't know you were just talking about the armor before and not Krieg himself, but this should clear things up for both of us. Of course, now your going to say I am stating baseless facts and that the FF fighters had the same kind of armor and level of strength.
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@Masta:
You seriously believe this…? I am not even going to bother getting into "how Luffy stopped Kuro debate" but know this: Soru makes you many times faster. He just learned it.
Your full of yourself.
Armor is not going to do you good if YOU aren't strong enough to take it.
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In this arc, breaking the armor was almost like the CP9 arc and trying to break the tekkai. As mentioned before, I believe his armor flexes with the rest of his body. Not just in this pic, look at every angle. Krieg is doing tae bo while wearing over a ton of several-inches-thick steel. What can we infer from this….?
That Krieg can take quite a few hits. Luffy smashed THROUGH the steel and punched him. I'm surprised he didn't gag on his insides. After that, Krieg took a giant hammer and GOT UP.
Also, I didn't know you were just talking about the armor before and not Krieg himself, but this should clear things up for both of us. Of course, now your going to say I am stating baseless facts and that the FF fighters had the same kind of armor and level of strength.
I was being sarcastic in my post.
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You can really only make that claim for the recent W7 arc; in terms of "strength", the Straw Hats much challenge themselves with a much more powerful physical opponent in order for them to become more powerful. Mere exercise does not sustain growth, it merely preserves it and sometimes hinders erosion of strength.
Exercise makes you stronger, only rarley does it hinder you. And that is usually just the person being stupid.
I would agree that Luffy and Zoro have continually stacked up physical feats that would support your idea, but I'm throwing the whole notion out because you are likely to make the claim that Sanji and Usopp, who have demonstrated interesting feats of strength and that there is some alleged comparability between Sanji and Zoro.
Luffy and Zoro are not the only examples. Of course, the amount of physical growth differs from Strawhat to Strawhat. For example, Nami seems to have grown very, very little in terms of physical capabilities. But now look at Usopp, the 4 ton bat almost destroyed him. Later in the series, a broken Usopp was taking hits from Luffy. Not that a 4 ton bat to the head still wouldn't mess him up pretty badly.
If Sanji, without doing much extraneous physical activity, cannot be comparable to Zoro unless he was already as strong as he was in W7. The Arabasta fights were but a single day, and before that Sanji had barely any fights; it's tough to measure how powerful he really was, but we know he didn't do much in the way of fighting tough enemies and instead merely kicked around lesser foes. Zoro, on the other hand, has challenged himself multiple times, even in Skypiea where Sanji was inactive, and in his spare time he trains at that.
The thing is, we don't know what Sanji does in his spare time besides suckin up to those without a penis. He very well could be training. Who Knows? But if you compare Sanji at the start of the series with Sanji now, you'll see a good amount of physical growth. such as his speed.
So, by this logic, I have arrived at several conclusions:
1. The Straw Hats get stronger, evident in Luffy and Zoro. However, Sanji started off in the series stronger than Zoro and is thus becoming progressively weaker in comparison to the rising strength of Luffy and Zoro.
2. The Straw Hats never get stronger, and there's nothing that directly illustrates this.
3. The Straw Hats get stronger, evident in all Straw Hats. Sanji becomes stronger regardless of how much work Zoro puts in.1. Agreed, exept that Sanji strated out stronger. Remember when Arlong "shot" Zoro and sanji? They were both outta breath. Zoro had a very, very, very good exuse. He recieved a wound from one of the strongest in the world that should have split him in 2. Sanji however, was only a little tired from fighting Kuroobi.
2. Obviously, I disagree.
3. Of course Sanji is going to get stronger. But we don't know if Sanji traines in his spare time or not.#3 is totally wrong, since for "balancing" purpose that effectively makes Zoro a worthless character. #2 is my previous conclusion, and #1 is the new one I came up with and I rather like it.
Whatever floats your boat. I say we end this now and just wait until Oda shows something for or against our ideas.
