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    Don Krieg vs. Sogeking

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      I have noticed a lot of tempers flaring and people going postal for no apparent reason, so I thought it might be a good idea to spice up the mood with a versus thread…! Enjoy, and please keep your problems to yourselves. I'm a frickin' hobo in a trash-can, I don't wanna hear it.

      Ahem,

      When it boils down, it is all a matter of duplicity. Both are good at this, and both have seemingly infinite weapons. I think that Sogeking has the advantage in long-range combat. The reason for this is because Krieg often screams and doesn't pay attention when he starts shooting. This is evidenced in the scenes where he shoots up the cooks and further implemented in his little quarrel with Mihawk.

      Close-range, Krieg would be dominant. BUT, Sogeking has dials; and from his fight with Luffy we can see that he'd have several traps (smell-dials, prickle-stars) setup for such an occasion. Unless Krieg uses his battle spear or blows the whole place up, he wouldn't stand a chance.

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        Krieg's armor=win

        Sogeking has shown NOTHING i repeat NOTHING that could break through his armor.

        Plus Krieg is deceitful so it'll be like when Usopp got Mr. 5 to eat that tobasco star. Krieg would be able to get his fair share of hits on Sogeking.

        Only way that Sogeking could win is to hit him in the face really really far but even with that he still doesn't have the tools to knock him out.

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        Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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          Points to Impact Dial

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            Krieg's armor=win

            Sogeking has shown NOTHING i repeat NOTHING that could break through his armor.

            Plus Krieg is deceitful so it'll be like when Usopp got Mr. 5 to eat that tobasco star. Krieg would be able to get his fair share of hits on Sogeking.

            Only way that Sogeking could win is to hit him in the face really really far but even with that he still doesn't have the tools to knock him out.

            pre-Arlong base Luffy broke Krieg's armor, and it has been ages sinces then. Sogeking could certainly break it as well. Impact dial anyone? Hell, like you said, he doesn't even need to break the armor. Krieg would see Sogeking, laugh his ass off, and get shot in the face by a Phoenix star.

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              I thought we were talking about Sogeking? Usopp has the impact dial…
              yea sarcasm aside impact dial could tear his arm off. or before he could even use it Krieg could spear/blow him up. Also All Krieg has to do is MH5 and Sogeking is dead.

              edit:using Luffy as an example isn't really the best since Usopp has no weapons that has used attacks near Luffy's strength at all.

              Usopp's only chance is to attack him very very far and hit him in the face praying that his attacks do some damage.

              Originally Posted by Nightwing

              Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                Sogeking doesn't fight with an Impact Dial, so we'll have to assume Usopp and Sogeking's weaponry are mutually exclusive.

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                On the subject of the battle, Krieg would probably win if he had any sort of proximity to Sogeking, that is, close range (spear) to moderate range (chainguns and railgun). No chance whatsoever for our King of Snipers...at a distance comparable to the Bridge of Hesitation and Tower of Justice Administration, Sogeking could possibly agitate Krieg but even with a direct face-hit there's little he could do to actually take down the Don.

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                  Im going for the guy with theme music and impact dial

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                    Impact dial:no help

                    Yes it could impact blows but with Krieg that won't matter much.

                    What would happen if Sogeking tried to get close to use his impact dial just to get barricaded by the imfamous suction cups/spears? Impact won't do anything for that.

                    Originally Posted by Nightwing

                    Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                      @Malintex_Terek:

                      Sogeking doesn't fight with an Impact Dial, so we'll have to assume Usopp and Sogeking's weaponry are mutually exclusive.

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                      On the subject of the battle, Krieg would probably win if he had any sort of proximity to Sogeking, that is, close range (spear) to moderate range (chainguns and railgun). No chance whatsoever for our King of Snipers...at a distance comparable to the Bridge of Hesitation and Tower of Justice Administration, Sogeking could possibly agitate Krieg but even with a direct face-hit there's little he could do to actually take down the Don.

                      First, Usopp and Sogeking are the same, so why make the lame argument they use different weapons? Second, look a these pics.

                      http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter64.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1275
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                      In these scenes, we see Krieg has to prepare the battle spear, not just pull it out his ass. On a similar note, Krieg usually doesn't use it until he knows he might loose. The crew even said "Look, his deadliest weapon!" like they don't get too see it too often. Sogeking, on the other hand, would have Kabuto out from the begining.

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                      Both Krieg's actions and the comments from the cutthroats prove you have to put a "swing" into the spear in order for it to be effective. And Luffy proved it can be broken. Also, Sogeking has the caltrop stars which would pevent Krieg from getting close (At least, with irritation).

                      Impact dial:no help

                      Yes it could impact blows but with Krieg that won't matter much.

                      What would happen if Sogeking tried to get close to use his impact dial just to get barricaded by the imfamous suction cups/spears? Impact won't do anything for that.

                      WTF do you mean Impact wouldn't help?!? It nearly knocked out post Alabasta Luffy! Krieg's armor isn't as strong as he thinks,

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                      My hypothesis: Krieg's armor is as flexible as his body. Because of that, Sogeking, being an expert sharp-shooter, would figure the weak spots and use Kabuto to expose them.

                      Also, you can't use the "Poison suction cups" that close to the opponent. He needs distance to aim. Krieg is a sharp-shooter too.

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                        @Masta:

                        First, Usopp and Sogeking are the same, so why make the lame argument they use different weapons? Second, look a these pics.

                        You wouldn't stoop to insulting the idea if you did not recognize the merit in it; it's obvious for anyone to see that the Impact Dial is so rare it's a signature weapon of Usopp, so he wouldn't use it in battle under any circumstances while acting under the Sogeking persona.

                        I'm not looking at any of your "evidence" because I know factually that Sogeking and Usopp never used weapons of their alternate personas; by making the inference that Sogeking would use the Impact Dial, you are stepping into speculation and therefore have the high potential of being wrong.

                        @Masta:

                        In these scenes, we see Krieg has to prepare the battle spear, not just pull it out his ass. On a similar note, Krieg usually doesn't use it until he knows he might loose. The crew even said "Look, his deadliest weapon!" like they don't get too see it too often. Sogeking, on the other hand, would have Kabuto out from the begining.

                        Firstly, I think your knowledge of the manga is a bit weak if you're actually telling me Krieg thought for any moment during his battle with Luffy that he was going to lose. Additionally, however long it takes Krieg to prepare the spear does not matter all that much since Sogeking effectively do enough damage to knock him or or kill him while he prepares it, given that Sogeking must be at close range for Krieg to actually warrant pulling out the spear.

                        In any matter, Krieg could just as easily punch Sogeking with his diamond-studded fist as whip out his spear; given how fragile Sogeking is, that wouldn't outright kill him but would cause immeasurable and probably debilitating damage.

                        @Masta:

                        Both Krieg's actions and the comments from the cutthroats prove you have to put a "swing" into the spear in order for it to be effective. And Luffy proved it can be broken. Also, Sogeking has the caltrop stars which would pevent Krieg from getting close (At least, with irritation).

                        Sogeking is considerably more agile than Luffy, but he's not immune to the splash damage of the explosion from Krieg's spear. Give what we've seen of Usopp in the Mr.4 fight, Sogeking has a high tolerance for surviving explosions but he most likely wouldn't be able to take too many hits from Krieg.

                        However, remember that such is only Krieg's melee weapon, and he has a number of interesting gadgets that could just as easily waste Sogeking from a close or moderate distance, as I said earlier.

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                          You wouldn't stoop to insulting the idea if you did not recognize the merit in it; it's obvious for anyone to see that the Impact Dial is so rare it's a signature weapon of Usopp, so he wouldn't use it in battle under any circumstances while acting under the Sogeking persona.

                          I'm not looking at any of your "evidence" because I know factually that Sogeking and Usopp never used weapons of their alternate personas; by making the inference that Sogeking would use the Impact Dial, you are stepping into speculation and therefore have the high potential of being wrong.

                          Firstly, I think your knowledge of the manga is a bit weak if you're actually telling me Krieg thought for any moment during his battle with Luffy that he was going to lose. Additionally, however long it takes Krieg to prepare the spear does not matter all that much since Sogeking effectively do enough damage to knock him or or kill him while he prepares it, given that Sogeking must be at close range for Krieg to actually warrant pulling out the spear.

                          In any matter, Krieg could just as easily punch Sogeking with his diamond-studded fist as whip out his spear; given how fragile Sogeking is, that wouldn't outright kill him but would cause immeasurable and probably debilitating damage.

                          Sogeking is considerably more agile than Luffy, but he's not immune to the splash damage of the explosion from Krieg's spear. Give what we've seen of Usopp in the Mr.4 fight, Sogeking has a high tolerance for surviving explosions but he most likely wouldn't be able to take too many hits from Krieg.

                          However, remember that such is only Krieg's melee weapon, and he has a number of interesting gadgets that could just as easily waste Sogeking from a close or moderate distance, as I said earlier.

                          If Sogeking used Dials he could dodge those attacks easily.

                          Flash Dial=Blind
                          Milky Dial=Used to jump around, dodge attacks
                          Impact=Defense/Offense attack

                          That's really all he needs. Although pairing the Breath Dials and Flame Dials can add a whole new attack pattern.

                          The Dials have potential. It's not as if Usopp would only use the Slingshot…

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                            1. Then the title of this thread should be "Technically Usopp w/alter ego tools vs. Krieg"? Why make things complicated? I wasn't thinking about all that.

                            2. I mean the battle-spear won't be the first thing he will use. And believe it or not, he used it out of frustration.

                            3. Your third point about it being his "melee weapon" supports my points. He won't use it on Uso–I mean, Sogeking.

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                              WTF do you mean Impact wouldn't help?!? It nearly knocked out post Alabasta Luffy! Krieg's armor isn't as strong as he thinks.

                              Okay first off what would he Impact? Think about it, his attacks are way too much a big of a deal to just absorb. His only attack that has that possibility is the spear and I don't think he'll try to absorb that. Punches are one thing but full explosions are another.
                              Second you're really undermining Luffy's superhuman strength saying that Krieg's armor isnt' that big of a deal. He had a spear blanket thing and Luffy just punched into that. No way in the world sogeking will do that.

                              My hypothesis: Krieg's armor is as flexible as his body. Because of that, Sogeking, being an expert sharp-shooter, would figure the weak spots and use Kabuto to expose them.
                              Also, you can't use the "Poison suction cups" that close to the opponent. He needs distance to aim. Krieg is a sharp-shooter too.

                              Usopp may be smart, but he doesn't exactly have Chopper's scope, so finding the weakness is out. This is the only chance he has against him, but Krieg could annihilate.

                              Finally MH5 would own Sogeking. No matter what.

                              Originally Posted by Nightwing

                              Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                                Oy, my spelling and grammar is so poor right now, even though I am typing really slowly. Apologies for any word omissions, folks.

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                                If Sogeking used Dials he could dodge those attacks easily.

                                Flash Dial=Blind
                                Milky Dial=Used to jump around, dodge attacks
                                Impact=Defense/Offense attack

                                That's really all he needs. Although pairing the Breath Dials and Flame Dials can add a whole new attack pattern.

                                The Dials have potential. It's not as if Usopp would only use the Slingshot…

                                The topic title is specifically "Don Krieg v. Sogeking", so it is to be assumed that we are talking about Sogeking and not Usopp. I do not believe Usopp has used the Flash Dial in the Blue Seas, and the Milky Dial no longer functions; I would agree that the former would have some usefulness in a battle against Krieg, but again we are talking about Sogeking and the only weapon Sogeking has is Kabuto.

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                                  @Private:

                                  If Sogeking used Dials he could dodge those attacks easily.

                                  Flash Dial=Blind
                                  Milky Dial=Used to jump around, dodge attacks
                                  Impact=Defense/Offense attack

                                  That's really all he needs. Although pairing the Breath Dials and Flame Dials can add a whole new attack pattern.

                                  The Dials have potential. It's not as if Usopp would only use the Slingshot…

                                  edit:okay so Usop has used the flash dial before. Still, Krieg could still fire like a madman.
                                  Also Impact can't really impact anything.
                                  Just needs to see what he could do with the other dials before spectulating more.

                                  Originally Posted by Nightwing

                                  Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                                    @Malintex_Terek:

                                    I do not believe Usopp has used the Flash Dial in the Blue Seas

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                                      Hmm, I don't remember that in the manga but I trust your judgement. I guess it's a legal weapon for Usopp, then.

                                      But not Sogeking…

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                                        @Malintex_Terek:

                                        Hmm, I don't remember that in the manga but I trust your judgement.

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                                          Sogeking could deal with MH5 via gas dial. He could also snipe the bomb before it explodes.

                                          As for impact, Krieg won't last UNLESS he gets close, and the diamond fists would be the way to go.

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                                            I think we should first be pairing Sogeking with a fighter that belongs to the same tier than him. Sogeking vs Shushu seems like a good start to me.

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                                              I think we should first be pairing Sogeking with a fighter that belongs to the same tier than him. Sogeking vs Shushu seems like a good start to me.

                                              Hahah. He's got the weapons, he just won't use them. He always just freaks out and ends up running, when he could actually probably win against many CP9 members if he had the courage.

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                                                @Aldrich:

                                                I think we should first be pairing Sogeking with a fighter that belongs to the same tier than him. Sogeking vs Shushu seems like a good start to me.

                                                You mean Shushu the dog…?.............

                                                GET OUT. NOW.

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                                                  No, Aldrich should stay. I have the highest respect for him.

                                                  He actually convinced me out of the Usopp Fanboy attitude. It's a first.

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                                                    Sogeking could deal with MH5 via gas dial. He could also snipe the bomb before it explodes.

                                                    The latter would probably set it off. Also, MH5 is a giant explosion. It'll take a long time before the gas dial gets all the gas, and Sogeking probably can't hold his breath for that long.

                                                    As for impact, Krieg won't last UNLESS he gets close, and the diamond fists would be the way to go.

                                                    Why not? His attacks and Sogeking's are relatively the same. Literally.
                                                    Krieg has a shiriken explosion, Usopp has his Shiriken attack.
                                                    Krieg has a flamethrower. Usopp has his firebird star.

                                                    Krieg's attacks and Sogeking's could literally negate each other's out.

                                                    When he does get close, he could pull out his Kenzan Mantle the spiked cloth to avoid all attacks.

                                                    edit:aldrich has a point. Usopp would probably be so freaked out by this he won't think straight and his performance would be horrifying.

                                                    Originally Posted by Nightwing

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                                                      Sogeking, while decently strong, doesn't use the kind of attacks that would pierce Krieg's armor. We've only seen Sogeking use fire, which wouldn't do anything to golden armor. We also don't know how much damage Impact would do. If it was enough to break gold, then Sogeking's arm would probably be blown off, putting an end to his sniping days.

                                                      So really, the match wouldn't be very even because Krieg uses armor, making it an easy win for him.

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                                                        Okay… what about Captain Morgan? That seems more fair to me.

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                                                          We've only seen Sogeking use fire, which wouldn't do anything to golden armor.

                                                          Last time I checked, we were talking about Sogeking. And big, heavy armor like Krieg's being exposed to intense heat would cause his armor to melt onto him.

                                                          We also don't know how much damage Impact would do. If it was enough to break gold, then Sogeking's arm would probably be blown off, putting an end to his sniping days.

                                                          An injured Usopp, who pulled it out at the last minute, was able to stand the force of a Gomu Gomu gatling.

                                                          The latter would probably set it off. Also, MH5 is a giant explosion. It'll take a long time before the gas dial gets all the gas, and Sogeking probably can't hold his breath for that long.

                                                          You would be right–IF Sogeking wouldn't know how to deter the MH5 from it's path without setting it off.

                                                          Why not? His attacks and Sogeking's are relatively the same. Literally.
                                                          Krieg has a shiriken explosion, Usopp has his Shiriken attack.
                                                          Krieg has a flamethrower. Usopp has his firebird star.

                                                          Krieg's attacks and Sogeking's could literally negate each other's out.

                                                          When he does get close, he could pull out his Kenzan Mantle the spiked cloth to avoid all attacks.

                                                          Because, like I said, Sogeking is a much better sharp-shooter than Krieg. And how would he swing on Sogeking wiht a giant cape wrapped around him? That wouldn't go anywhere.

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                                                            I think you are really making Usopp out to be a fighter, where he is actually a sniper. There are no injuries. There is only death.

                                                            And before your bring up Episode 115, let me just say that the only reason Usopp survived that was because he was pissed. Of course, it's still a pretty crazy feat and had he even survived it again, he probably would have ran.

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                                                              That's the point. Usopp wouldn't use impact dial if Krieg's surrounded by spikes.

                                                              Then when Usopp thinks up a way to get around it…diamond fist to the face!

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                                                              Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                                                                Then when Usopp thinks up a way to get around it…diamond fist to the face!

                                                                And there is no getting up. He's dead on impact.

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                                                                  Uisopp could own anyone in East Blue (unless Dragon is still there)

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                                                                    I think you are really making Usopp out to be a fighter, where he is actually a sniper. There are no injuries. There is only death.

                                                                    And before your bring up Episode 115, let me just say that the only reason Usopp survived that was because he was pissed. Of course, it's still a pretty crazy feat and had he even survived it again, he probably would have ran.

                                                                    Usopp has taken blows to the face from a fishman, stated to be 10X stronger than humans.

                                                                    It might seem like I'm trying to make him a fighter, but I'm just saying he can dish out all the pain he can take. And this whole thread, I have been supporting his sniping skills.

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                                                                      So Krieg would win close range hands down, but far away is still up in the air.

                                                                      Sure Sogeking has better long range but Krieg fires a lot more then Sogeking does when Krieg attacks.
                                                                      When Usopp fired his Shirikens…they weren't that accurate.

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                                                                        Sogeking'd win. He'd snipe Krieg from afar so he can't do melee attacks and destroy ranged weapons with his patchikos

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                                                                          Usopp has taken blows to the face from a fishman, stated to be 10X stronger than humans.

                                                                          Well… one punch, yes.

                                                                          I have to admit, I didn't consider that... Also, though, he was pissed... Umm... shit...

                                                                          ...there goes my arguement.

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                                                                            Sogeking would easily own Krieg. How, you ask? Simple. Tobasco or Itching powder star would cause Krieg to remove his armor, then a firebird star or regular pachinko star with an impact dial in Kabuto = dead Krieg.

                                                                            I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                                              Sogeking would easily own Krieg. How, you ask? Simple. Tobasco or Itching powder star would cause Krieg to remove his armor, then a firebird star or regular pachinko star with an impact dial in Kabuto = dead Krieg.

                                                                              …Krieg wouldn't fall for that... would he?

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                                                                                Iono Krieg is an idiot.
                                                                                Would Tobasco really make him take off his suit? That'd probably just make him really thirsty. Does Sogeking have itching powder? That'd be the coolest weapon ever and perfect for him too.

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                                                                                  Sogeking would easily own Krieg. How, you ask? Simple. Tobasco or Itching powder star would cause Krieg to remove his armor, then a firebird star or regular pachinko star with an impact dial in Kabuto = dead Krieg.

                                                                                  This is where I side with Krieg. Hot-sauce would not deter Krieg from his warpath.

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                                                                                  Krieg ate the giant, smoldering, barbeque meat-ball. He's worse than Luffy.

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                                                                                    Last time I checked, we were talking about Sogeking. And big, heavy armor like Krieg's being exposed to intense heat would cause his armor to melt onto him.

                                                                                    I seriously doubt Sogeking's fire is that strong. If it was, the flag he burned down would've been gone in a second.

                                                                                    An injured Usopp, who pulled it out at the last minute, was able to stand the force of a Gomu Gomu gatling.

                                                                                    I guess, but using it was still a risk, and it hardly did anything to Luffy.

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                                                                                    Sogeking would easily own Krieg. How, you ask? Simple. Tobasco or Itching powder star would cause Krieg to remove his armor, then a firebird star or regular pachinko star with an impact dial in Kabuto = dead Krieg.

                                                                                    Tabasco wouldn't work, as was just corrected. Itching power (which he probably does have) wouldn't just hit his armor, not his body. That is what the stuff's for.

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                                                                                      I seriously doubt Sogeking's fire is that strong. If it was, the flag he burned down would've been gone in a second.

                                                                                      So, you had a thermometer when he used Phoenix star…? Where is the proof? Seems to me you are simply underrestimating Sogeking. He lasted nearly two chapters against Jyabura.

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                                                                                        I seriously doubt Sogeking's fire is that strong. If it was, the flag he burned down would've been gone in a second.

                                                                                        well yeah i dont think it would melt either but being inside your armor doesnt make being roasted alive feel any better😆

                                                                                        but ah well id say Usopp has a fighting chance if he keeps his distance whilst firing at him and making him come after him and making him fight him on his terms and control him using his clever tricks that makes use of his special brand of Usopp wit^^ and his dials.

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                                                                                          So, you had a thermometer when he used Phoenix star…? Where is the proof? Seems to me you are simply underrestimating Sogeking. He lasted nearly two chapters against Jyabura.

                                                                                          Uh… The fact that the flag didn't instantly become ashes? I don't underestimate Sogeking at all. In fact, I like him very much, but that doesn't make him as strong as Luffy.

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                                                                                            He lasted nearly two chapters against Jyabura.

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                                                                                              I'm gonna go with Aldrich on that one, too. I find that halarious.

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                                                                                                As much as I'd like Ussop to win somehow (maybe it could help his character grow some balls), I think his chance of winning is low. Even if by some miracle he manages to remove the armour he'd have to be out of his strength area to do so and generally would be open to getting beaten in an instant. Perhaps if he uses the phoenix/fire bird move to scorch his face or something, he might get an advantage, but alas I'd say he'd have a maximum of 10% chance of winning.

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                                                                                                  Funny stu~ff.

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                                                                                                  In any matter, a "hypothetical" Impact-Dial using Sogeking would have less effect against Krieg than Luffy. In between Krieg's armour and his skin is a little something called air, which would basically mean the energy of the dial would hit Krieg's chest muscles and not his internal organs. It would be no different from a really strong punch; sure, it penetrates the armour, but remember Usopp/Sogeking can't use the Dial all that much and it depletes with every use. Basically, it would be a one-shot deal not unlike Gedatsu's Jet Punch in the Toei Edo-era special.

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                                                                                                    why does he have to go for the armor ? Impact+Kreigs face=braindamage or impacting him in the balls and ending the Kreig family line😆

                                                                                                    nah but seriously why go at the armor when he can just go for the 60% of the body thats not covered by any armor,

                                                                                                    or why not try out that little rotten eggs to gas explosion maneuver he did on Luffy to bring in some serious pain^^

                                                                                                    there are just so many things he has in his bag of tricks.

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                                                                                                      Funny stu~ff.

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                                                                                                      In any matter, a "hypothetical" Impact-Dial using Sogeking would have less effect against Krieg than Luffy. In between Krieg's armour and his skin is a little something called air, which would basically mean the energy of the dial would hit Krieg's chest muscles and not his internal organs. It would be no different from a really strong punch; sure, it penetrates the armour, but remember Usopp/Sogeking can't use the Dial all that much and it depletes with every use. Basically, it would be a one-shot deal not unlike Gedatsu's Jet Punch in the Toei Edo-era special.

                                                                                                      Exactly. Even if he removes the armour he'd be too weak to use it again any time soon and be in a vulnerable position.

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                                                                                                        why does he have to go for the armor ? Impact+Kreigs face=braindamage or impacting him in the balls and ending the Kreig family line😆

                                                                                                        That's the way to go. But there's still that dang spiked cloth he has.

                                                                                                        or why not try out that little rotten eggs to gas explosion maneuver he did on Luffy to bring in some serious pain^^

                                                                                                        there are just so many things he has in his bag of tricks.

                                                                                                        Why doesn't anybody get that Luffy vs Usopp was a rare moment? He planned it and knew Luffy really well. Everything was set up beforehand and it all took time.
                                                                                                        I guess it goes like this, if Usopp knows Krieg REALLY REALLY well, then he MAY have a chance. First time, second time, close range, whatever Krieg would own hands down.

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