Robins Number

[sabret00the]

Using this numbering scheme

1. Zoro
2. Nami
3. Usopp
4. Sanji
5. Chopper
6. Robin
7. Franky

How long do we have to wait and just what does Robin have to do before Oda officially declares her as joined

[Black'cap Nase]

What…. Robin is... an official member... And Buddy.... Why did you leave Luffy out... Robin is the 7th straw hat... Franky is 8....

[Blackhair]

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[freedom]

This is what we know for sure.
Though Nami joined after the Arlong Arc, her chapter was still titled "The Second Person".

1st - Zoro
2nd - Nami
3rd - Usopp
4th - Sanji
5th - no title chapter
6th - no title chapter
7th - i believe is nico robin, explanation below
8th - no title chapter

Why i believe this is robin's number. B/c, this entire arc was about Usopp's dilema, as well as Robin's dilema. They both had struggles, and they both left the crew in the same arc. They both rejoined in the same arc, and are celebrated and welcomed back by Luffy. They'd had the focus on them and I don't see why all of a sudden, it would change to Usopp and Franky and not continue to be Usopp and Robin being mentioned together.

[Grenzer]

Not this argument again!

Look people, this is simple. Franky is the eighth member of the Strawhats, but he is also the seventh person to join Luffy. By that logic that means Robin has not fully committed herself to the crew yet, and neither has Chopper. That is because they both have outstanding issues that still need to be resolved.

Chopper: He is still is not fully comfortable with who he is and how he fits into the world.

Robin: She is still not sure about where her dream of finding the True History will take her. She might leave the Strawhats again if she feels her only opportunity to accomplish her dream is elsewhere. Do you remember how quiet she was when Zoro gave his big speech about how the crew has to stick together whatever their personal feelings are if they want to survive? And that anyone who is not reliable should not be in the crew? Robin can now trust her friends, but I think she still has issues about whether or not their paths will continue to always cross. Expect another story arc about that problem at one point, but not for a couple of years or so.

[NecRock]

@Black'cap:

What…. Robin is... an official member... And Buddy.... Why did you leave Luffy out... Robin is the 7th straw hat... Franky is 8....

Well, if you go by the chapter names, sabret00the has a point. One I've been trying to make in the chapter discussion thread, but noone seemed to care too much ^^

Morgan arc:
Chapter 6 - The First Person: Zoro (1) joins

Buggy arc:
Nami (2) oins

Kuro arc:
Usopp (3) joins

Don Krieg arc:
Chapter 68 - The Fourth Person: Sanji (4) joins

Arlong arc:
Nami (2) leaves
Chapter 94 - The Second Person: Nami (2) joins

Alabasta saga:
Chopper (5) joins
Robin (6) joins

WG saga:
Robin (6) leaves
Usopp (3) leaves
Chapter 439 - The Third and the Seventh Person: Usopp (3) and Franky (7) join

Obviously, Oda planned on Usopp pulling this shit long time ago, which is why there was no The Third Person chapter before the Grand Line. What's worrying is the lack of a The Fifth Person chapter and the fact that, even now, the hasn't been The Sixth Person neither. This might mean Chopper of all people will leave one day, and Robin is still uncertain.

A different explanation would include Vivi in the numbering as fifth, since she has sailed with them for a while and has become their nakama. Then Franky might end up departing for a short while.

[kljs]

0. Luffy
1. Zoro
at this point, this is certain.
then now the argument is who is 2?
Sanji? Usopp? or Nami?
however, since Oda already set the chapter title as 2nd person for Nami.
then it's
0.Luffy
1. Zoro
2. Nami
then naturally the next person the joined was Usopp.
hence
0.Luffy
1. Zoro
2. Nami
3. Usopp
4. Sanji
5. Chopper
6. ???? (Robin)?
7. Franky

if this is the case, then it's something to ponder about.

now, if we put 1 as Luffy, then the numbering will go out of sync
1. Luffy
2. Zoro
3. Usopp
4. Sanji
5. Nami
6. Chopper
7. Robin
8. Franky

which is basically does not go with Oda's chapter title.

so, I believe if you don't count Luffy in it, it wouldn't make sense either, since Enies Lobby makes Robin a permanent member now….. then who is the missing 6th person? Vivi perhaps?

[freedom]

I'm beginning to believe that Vivi is still considered part of the crew by Oda.
When you think about it, she would have officially joined at the end of Arabasta right before Robin revealed herself on the ship. That would make her #5. If it is chronological order, then she'd actually be #5 as she joined before Chopper.

[Deblas]

My god, only in Arlong Park can something so simple be taken so seriously.

Order in which they joined Luffy's crew (it doesn't matter if they left afterwards and came back again):

1. Zoro
2. Nami
3. Usopp
4. Sanji
5. Chopper
6. Nico Robin
7. Franky

Their official numbers or something that was in a SBS:

1. Luffy
2. Zoro
3. Nami
4. Usopp
5. Sanji
6. Chopper
7. Nico Robin
8. Franky

There, Vivi is not included as well as the Going Merry. If we include them then we'll have to include Carue as well since he's as much as a crewmate as everyone else…sheesh

[Mugiwara_no_Ice]

People people this matter is in my point of view very simple
listen:

Zoro is the first person
Nami is the second person
(How do I know that : because the chapter titles were given when they joined for sure)

Ussop is the third person
Sanji is the fourth person (Sanji s chapter title was given before nami s and he wasnt called the 2nd person, why? because he was the fourth guy joining simple not??)

Now it gets difficult:

Chopper is obvisiouly the fifth person , but I don t understand why he didn t get a chapter title like zoro sanji or Franky right now because in my opinion he went trough the same pattern as those 3.
Nami, Ussop and Robin went through the same pattern aswell thats why they got their chapter titles after they quit and rejoined.

I think chopper is right now considered a pet and he has to find his true HUMAN self to be considered a person , after that he ll get his 5th person chapter title.

Robin is the sixth person
why didn t we get it this chapter it s obvious :
I was waiting for a chapter title like this one : the 3rd , the 6th and the 7th
but it was too long for a good title thats why he used only 2

and I m willing to bet a 1000 EUR the next chapter will be the 6th person
maybe even the 8th on top because they were talking about thousand sunny as a new nakama as well so guys please have some patience.

Franky is the seventh person.

Thousand sunny is the eighth person ( if it s considered as a nakama of course)

Now:
for the "Vivi is the 5th person of the crew"-people

I don t think so , you may say what you want , she never was part of the crew. From the beginning till the end she just used the StrawHats for her Country. She was an important friend or else Luffy would never helped her but so was Coby and maybe Yosaki and Joni.
So if Vivi is the 5th then I would say Coby has to be the 1st , but apparantly Coby isn t the 1st (Zoro is) so logicly Vivi isn t the 5th.

Wow I cant believe I wrote all that.
Ciao

[Mozz]

If Thousand Sunny is a nakama, where is Merry in the numbering scheme?

[freedom]

@Mugiwara_no_Ice:

Now:
for the "Vivi is the 5th person of the crew"-people

I don t think so , you may say what you want , she never was part of the crew. From the beginning till the end she just used the StrawHats for her Country. She was an important friend or else Luffy would never helped her but so was Coby and maybe Yosaki and Joni.
So if Vivi is the 5th then I would say Coby has to be the 1st , but apparantly Coby isn t the 1st (Zoro is) so logicly Vivi isn t the 5th.

Wow I cant believe I wrote all that.
Ciao

Coby was never invited to join the crew. He wanted to be a marine and followed his dream.
Vivi was invited into the crew, and declined only b/c she wanted to help rebuild her country.

[gallowsx]

the interesting thing bout these numbers is that the strong fighters in the mugiwara crew always joined luffy and gave him their word immediately, not needed to confirm it later on…

Zoro, Sanji and Franky all gave their word and where considered part of the crew immediately, others still need to pass a certain test.......

[Lazzie]

I personally think that the past chapter was Usopp and Franky officially joining. Usopp because of his tearful return from the previous chapter, and Franky because of his little speech after the Coup de Bust: (paraphrased, not verbatim) "This is your ship; it can do everything Merry can and more! And if anything happens to it, I'll fix it perfectly! We can sail to the ends of the earth!"

Sounds like Franky's pretty dedicated.

[Mugiwara_no_Ice]

@freedom:

Coby was never invited to join the crew. He wanted to be a marine and followed his dream.
Vivi was invited into the crew, and declined only b/c she wanted to help rebuild her country.

How about Gaimon (the little man "stuck in tresor box")
He was invited to join
he is a friend

BUT he declined (just like who??? VIVI)
You wouldn t mean to say that the 3rd person meant in this chpter is Gaimon hé??
Explain to me , I am a freethinker so you just need to convince me
Ciao

[Gizmo]

That's the reason why Franky is going to be a powerhouse. All the powerhouses always get a NUMBER CHAPTER as soon as they join.

Besides the point Robin still has issues. She's still quiet and my bet is she'll still stay the same as before, which is okay, but that'll be isolation from the Straw Hats. Yea, my guess is true history will be an issue as well.

[freedom]

@Mugiwara_no_Ice:

How about Gaimon (the little man "stuck in tresor box")
He was invited to join
he is a friend

BUT he declined (just like who??? VIVI)
You wouldn t mean to say that the 3rd person meant in this chpter is Gaimon hé??
Explain to me , I am a freethinker so you just need to convince me
Ciao

Good point, and correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't the Strawhats meeting up with Gaimon filler from the anime? and he only appeared in the coverstory with Buggy?

I'd be more convinced with the powerhouse story though

[Gizmo]

Actually he showed before Usopp joined and met only Luffy and Nami.

Also other people were asked to join as well kureha was so they'd get a doctor that doesn't make them part of the crew

[Impel Down]

Look! The 3rd is Usopp and the 7th is Franky! Get over it, meat!

[Black'cap Nase]

I'm sorry I missed something what is the point of arguing over what order people joined or where asked to join.
Also as someone who.. hasn't really given it much thought and has just gone with what the show is given… Chopper... Is a solid member... He chose to go with them, and to get into it more than I should, during the Davy back fight he cried to Luffy that he just wanted to be with them, and didn't want to leave them, that he joined because of them... You can question his will to be a pirate with that, but not his credibility as a crew member. Robin is also a solid member now... She sacrificed for them, and she cried to go back with them, The Strawhats can help her achieve her dream, further more Enies lobby was the equivalent to Arlong park, there was what seemed to be betrayal followed by luffy solving the persons problems and in the end they joined. So I dont think much about Robin being quiet... thats just who she is, but the point is she's happy with them, even before Water 7 she was happy with them... So I say she is an official crew member. And Franky's problems... were fixed along with Eneis Lobby so he is also an official crew member. Honestly I still dont understand why this is worth getting into because its pretty obvious they are official crew members...

[Tokoro Ataru]

@freedom:

Good point, and correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't the Strawhats meeting up with Gaimon filler from the anime? and he only appeared in the coverstory with Buggy?

I'd be more convinced with the powerhouse story though

The Gaimon chapter is much later in the anime. It immediately happens the chapter between the end of the Buggy arc and the arrival at Syrup Village, while the anime wanted to show action in the beginning, holding it off until after Kuro (same with Zoro's Kuina flashback). Its continuity…probably since it was still early in the series when Oda could get away with a one-off chapter tale.

As for order, its rather easy to me. When they join Luffy, they don't get the "Person" chapter until after they dedicate themselves to him and his dream. Franky in a way was more like Sanji's joining: after all the weird ordeals he's been through and his own dreams being common towards Luffy's, he ends up dedicating himself to being a pirate. But with Usopp, he had to go through his trials and tribulations more like Nami (with what happened regarding her practical slavery to Arlong) before finally dedicating himself to Luffy. It was his arrogance and pride that made him part ways with his captain due to believing in Merry, but he was forced to mellow himself and realize that while a wild imagination can be a great thing to have as a pirate, this isn't a game anymore. The SH are going deeper and more dangerous parts of the Grand Line and he had to realize that his foolishness and naivite were not going to carry him further. Sure he could slowly build his way to becoming the "brave man of Elbaf" with Sogeking, but he's still human and still has a long way to go. But he gets his "Third Person" now because he realizes what's at stake now. Sure he may still be foolish or stupid, but he has more dedication and won't fly off the handle again.

[dlo62282]

I believe cosmic confirmed that Robin was the 7th member.

[GearSecond]

sigh

1: Luffy
2: Zoro
3: Nami pretended to join
4: Usopp
5: Sanji
3: Nami offcially joins
6: Chopper
7: Nico Robin
8: Franky

Also Usopp and Robin left the crew then returned.

Doesn't matterif they kleave the crew/pretended to join, whatever order Luffy recruits them in is theuir number, so Nami was 3, but she didn't join until 2 crew members later.

[sabret00the]

@GearSecond:

sigh

1: Luffy
2: Zoro
3: Nami pretended to join
4: Usopp
5: Sanji
3: Nami offcially joins
6: Chopper
7: Nico Robin
8: Franky

Also Usopp and Robin left the crew then returned.

Doesn't matterif they kleave the crew/pretended to join, whatever order Luffy recruits them in is theuir number, so Nami was 3, but she didn't join until 2 crew members later.

you just ignored several key indisputable facts, you know that right? i.e. past chapter titles.

[Angel emfrbl]

Sometimes people forget, Oda sometimes no.s the chapters without including Luffy in the numbering… So crew members 1- 7 are Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin and Franky. Luffy doesn't count

Edit:

It amazes me how people forget it when it was said like 3 or 4 times on the starting page of this topic.

[Pants-eater]

This thread makes me emo.

Just go read Wikipedia.

No "Chopper's human self" crap. He's a human and a reindeer when he wants to be.

[Kranimal]

robin is the only one in the crew who doesnt call the rest by their names, but as their positions on the ship….. i wonder if that'll change....now that she has officially joined

[Dr. Casey]

@Deblas:

Their official numbers or something that was in a SBS:

1. Luffy
2. Zoro
3. Nami
4. Usopp
5. Sanji
6. Chopper
7. Nico Robin
8. Franky

This is the way it should be. Listing Zoro as # 1 just feels wrong because he was the second Straw Hat Pirate we were introduced to. 2 should be his number. The list which starts off with Zoro just skewers everything.

I also think Usopp officially joined at the end of Syrup Village. His little spat with Luffy doesn't matter at all; the important thing is that he planned on staying with them and did so for 200+ episodes/chapters. I'd consider Robin a Straw Hat from the moment she stowed away on the ship at the end of Arabasta because I don't think she was really intending for the alliance to be temporary. She might not have intended it to be permanent, but she gave no inclination to leave of her own will before the CP9 coerced her into doing so. I guess Nami wasn't really a Straw Hat prior to the Arlong arc, but I'd still consider her # 3 because it fits her much better. Vivi was just an escort and never showed any consideration of joining until the very end; I interpreted her "nakama" status as just being a close friend rather than an actual member. Going Merry isn't included because it's mostly just a ship and didn't show much personality outside of a couple of moments.

[Dixxy Mouri]

On the numbering system:

My school of thought is:

0. Luffy
1. Zoro (corresponds to chapter)
2. Nami (chapter)
3. Usopp (chapter)
4. Sanji (chapter)
5. Vivi/Chopper
6. Chopper/Robin
7. Robin/Franky
8 (?). Franky

Keep in mind that Vivi has been on the cover even after she stayed behind in Arabasta and the crew showed they would still welcome her back with the whole "X" thing. She's almost like an "honorary Straw Hat" or something at this point, but I totally think that if she reappeared and wanted to join the others would let her on (possibly with some confusion from Franky because he'd be all "who's she?"). It's entirely possible we haven't gotten a chapter labeled "The Fifth Person" because Vivi may have a moment at some point in the future where she once again has to decide between Arabasta and the Straw Hats.

As an aside, I've reasoned it's possible that Vivi could eventually get slammed with a bounty or an arrest warrant because, regardless of her intentions, she WAS a member of Baroque Works. Furthermore, the Unluckies were last seen making composites of BW members who hadn't been arrested PLUS the WG has Croc, Das Bones, Mr. 3 and Bon Kurei (even though Croc knew her intentions it might be his way of giving her one last revenge blow) - from any of those people the WG might find out about Vivi's involvement, which would potentially put her on the run. This wouldn't apply to Igaram because the Unluckies probably think he's dead and it's possible Croc and the others didn't find out he survived the explosion.

I think most people agree "Third" refers to Usopp at this point - 7 is where people seem to be arguing. The three characters who were most highlightened in this arc were Usopp, Robin, and Franky - either of the latter two could be number 7, but here's where the line is drawn:

Franky didn't WILLINGLY join. Even though he's agreed to go along for now, he's mostly going along because of the ship - not necessarily the other Straw Hats. Robin, on the other hand, had the whole "Find your nakama" thing. I think the point of her screaming she wanted to live and go out to sea with them is her acknowledging yes, she has nakama. In my mind, that makes her the most likely candidate to be number 7 - not Franky. This would mean that between 1 and 7 there are two number slots not filled - 5 and 6. Since ofthe current crew members only Chopper and Luffy don't have number chapters and Luffy wouldn't make sense at anything other than 0 or 1, that leaves a hole that probably belongs to Vivi.

At the same time, if Franky is number 7, that would leave no hole, but seriously, WTF? If this doesn't cement Robin's role as a Straw Hat then what will? I mean really, Robin would have to either go to Impel Down or be on the verge or execution to top the entire Enies Lobby arc.

Thing is, no one is sure their arguement is correct as of right now because we don't have enough information. Enough information will emerge if/when one of several things happens:

1. Vivi rejoins (in which case she would CLEARLY be 5)
2. Chopper gets a number chapter (if he's five Vivi will never rejoin or if he's six Vivi will almost DEFINITELY rejoin)
3. Franky or Robin has a defining moment and a number chapter to go along with it - if seven was Robin then Franky will be eight, and if Franky was seven then Robin would be six.
4. If/when someone joins the crew after Franky they are given a number chapter or either eight or nine.

[psolaras]

@sabret00the:

Using this numbering scheme

1. Zoro
2. Nami
3. Usopp
4. Sanji
5. Chopper
6. Robin
7. Franky

How long do we have to wait and just what does Robin have to do before Oda officially declares her as joined

as always kindly calculated :happy:

there isn't only robin but also chopper that still don't have a number chapter,things like these get the suspicious ones thinking about the new arc and it's impact on those two

[Dixxy Mouri]

@psolaras:

as always kindly calculated :happy:

there isn't only robin but also chopper that still don't have a number chapter,things like these get the suspicious ones thinking about the new arc and it's impact on those two

The only one we know for sure doesn't have a number chapter is Chopper - we don't know if Robin or Franky is 7 yet for sure. People are arguing and theorizing it but no onehas any solid proof - just lots of circumstancial evidence and theorizing. Most if not all of the theories on this thread could work, but there's nothing that a character has said or done and nothing that Oda has said or done that prozes one theory over another right now.

[Ramza]

vivi is not part of the crew and never was…she is just a guest member...like johnny,ace

[Dixxy Mouri]

@Ramza:

vivi is not part of the crew and never was…she is just a guest member...like johnny,ace

That I would argue with - a lot. She traveled with the Straw Hats for a lot longer than Johnny and Yosaku did and still wanted to be considered one of them if they ever met again. Johnny and Yosaku basically couldn't do that because it would tarnish their reputation as bounty hunters, but that association would do the same thing to Vivi.

Regardless, Vivi is probably being brought up because she is another possible variation in the numbering system. Though the thread is about Robin's number, we need information about the other numbers to figure things out. We only have "confirmed" numbers for Zoro, Nami, Usopp, and Sanji.