Blackbeard the great?! [spoilerz]

Rave

Like i was thinking (and wrtting in one of threads) Blackbeards true goal in not being a Shichibukai….real goal is being Pirate King.
My theory is that Marshall D. Teach will kill Whitebeard or he will because of old,sickness or something. That it will start the piRATe-RACE for position of Kaizokuou. As we know now there are two main candidates- Luffy and Teach.

I think that fight Luffy vs. Blackbeard will be one of the most improtant fights...or maybe even the final battle of One Piece!
When i saw 440 chapter i think for 80% that it'll come this way.
What do you think guyz?

AD-HD Pirate

Yeah. I believe that BB will kill Whitebeard in some point of OP.
After that I think start somekind "Dark Time" and Luffy will stop it fighting against Blackbeard and become Pirate King.

Cochise

Yeah I can see BB and Luffy as the final fight the symbolism in it would be incredible.

Plus, if Whitebeard would fall from BB strength then the race for Pirate king would sure to increase the new world would probably turn into a war zone of Crazy pirates and Government officials trying to keep the peace.

Rave

@Cochise:

Yeah I can see BB and Luffy as the final fight the symbolism in it would be incredible.

Plus, if Whitebeard would fall from BB strength then the race for Pirate king would sure to increase the new world would probably turn into a war zone of Crazy pirates and Government officials trying to keep the peace.

Teach with this darkness devil fruit :ninja:is symbol of evil:devil:
So in this case Luffy is symbol of good (he is pirate after all,but nevermind ^^)
Luffy propably don't have any chance with Blackbeard know. Teach's only weaknes are light and sea water(seastone). I can't even imagine what Luffy must do to beat him Maybe he will use flash dials or something?

Gizmo

What's bothering me is why he since he sent that weird guy to ask for shichibukai position if he wants to be pirate king?

Rave

It's hard to be pirate king 'from know'. He's plan is propably to be f shichibukai first.Being shichibukai= supa pwna
Than he want to destroy Luffy. If he do this two things he can also do something crazy in WG (like Luffy taking back Robin). This should open for him gates to top pirates …and next kaizokuouof course.

Metalvirus

Am I the only one who sees someone else becoming the next Pirate King first before Luffy? Like, BB manages to find One Piece, and declares that he is Pirate King. Then they have the Blackbeard arc, and in the end BB is knocked in the ocean by Luffy. He gives one last speech when he is falling along the lines of-

"Zehahahaha! You win Monkey D. Luffy. You are now the Pirate King. Your dream was stronger! This is fate! Zehahahaha!"

Angel emfrbl

It doesn't look good because both Luffy and BB will have to knock all other competition out of the way to be PK. That means not only WB would be in danger, but Shanks and the other Yonkou.

To top it off, the effects of destroying one of the 4 Emperors would shift the balance in the world in favour of the Marines + Shichibukai. That is bound to have bad effects, even if BB doesn't go after the other 3 Yonkou, The Marines and Shichibukai will have their chance at them. That may also create the gap which Luffy + his crew can fill.

Urian

Am I the only one who believes that Teach is going to kill his crew after getting his position as a Shichibukai?

I see him able to do this type of things.

wolfwood

@Urian:

Am I the only one who believes that Teach is going to kill his crew after getting his position as a Shichibukai?

I see him able to do this type of things.

why on earth would he kill those who help him ?

Urian

@wolfwood:

why on earth would he kill those who help him ?

A murderer like him who is able to kill his Nakamas.

Gizmo

@Urian:

A murderer like him who is able to kill his Nakamas.

He killed in Whitebeard's crew for power, and unless his nakama gets in the way for some reason he has no reason to kill them.

Rave

uhm. if he wanna be Pirate King he MUST HAVE CREW!!!
His crew is propably damns strong so he has no reason to kill them:blink:

Aldrich

@ultimateclima:

What's bothering me is why he since he sent that weird guy to ask for shichibukai position if he wants to be pirate king?

Because being a shichibukai gives him immunity against two of the three great powers of Grandline. Look at Luffy, how many times did he run away from high ranked officers from Marine HQ out of pure luck while he was powerless against them? He also nearly died three times against a Shichibukai. Teach cannot afford to challenge the 3 great powers alone with 4 men at his side, no matter how strong they are.

Rai

I see the BB vs. Luffy battle over the PK rank a rematch. People, there's no way an important character like BB will have only one fight and position in an arc.
Also, about his crew's strength, we already know one limit: They're weaker than Ace. So, once we get a little look over Ace's strength we can be sure around when they -won't- fight the SH.

Phenomenol

@AD-HD:

Yeah. **I believe that BB will kill Whitebeard in some point of OP.**After that I think start somekind "Dark Time" and Luffy will stop it fighting against Blackbeard and become Pirate King.

NOBODY can kill Whitebeard…...he is the "STRONGEST" character in One Piece. I doubt that Blackbeard could beat "Hawkeyes", Shanks, Doflamingo, etc. There are just to MANY monsters roaming the grandline.

AD-HD Pirate

Yeah well, BB is just going to be stronger.

Phenomenol

Do you understand the concepts of STRONGEST man in the world?

Ubiq

@Phenomenol:

NOBODY can kill Whitebeard…...he is the "STRONGEST" character in One Piece. I doubt that Blackbeard could beat "Hawkeyes", Shanks, Doflamingo, etc. There are just to MANY monsters roaming the grandline.

Shanks' conversation with Whitebeard seems to suggest that Teach was already as strong as he was back when he had both arms and Teach didn't have a Logia.

So unless Shanks has somehow managed to become vastly stronger after losing his arm (which seems doubtful judging by Mihawk's lack of interest in him as a potential opponent), Teach is now welll ahead of him in strength. Even a weakling would become a powerhouse with a Logia and Teach was no weakling.

Phenomenol

This post is deleted!

Lee

@ultimateclima:

What's bothering me is why he since he sent that weird guy to ask for shichibukai position if he wants to be pirate king?

He said he joined White Beard because that was on his ship that he had the highest chances to find the Dark Dark Fruit. So maybe he wants to join the shichibukai now because this is with this new status that he would have the best chances to find something other, important to achieve his dream.

AD-HD Pirate

@Phenomenol:

Do you understand the concepts of STRONGEST man in the world?

Yeah, he is for now. At this moment.

But in the future Teach is going to be stronger. I believe.

Polygon

@Ubiq:

Shanks' conversation with Whitebeard seems to suggest that Teach was already as strong as he was back when he had both arms and Teach didn't have a Logia.

So unless Shanks has somehow managed to become vastly stronger after losing his arm (which seems doubtful judging by Mihawk's lack of interest in him as a potential opponent), Teach is now welll ahead of him in strength. Even a weakling would become a powerhouse with a Logia and Teach was no weakling.

BB gave him a scar, there's not even a mention of an actual fight. I seriously doubt BB is sstronger than, or even on the same level, as Ace without his logia fruit. Also, NO ONE is gong to be well-ahead of shanks in strengh, no one. There is only one known person so far who is stronger than shanks, and that is WB. And even that is not a big differance.

Phenomenol

@Ubiq:

Shanks' conversation with Whitebeard seems to suggest that Teach was already as strong as he was back when he had both arms and Teach didn't have a Logia.

So unless Shanks has somehow managed to become vastly stronger after losing his arm (which seems doubtful judging by Mihawk's lack of interest in him as a potential opponent), Teach is now welll ahead of him in strength. Even a weakling would become a powerhouse with a Logia and Teach was no weakling.

Shanks conversation seemed to be a concern for Ace's safety more than anything.

Shanks at this moment in One Piece is vastly stronger than he was back then. Losing an arm won't hinder his skills, BTW Shanks at this moment is going head up with the STRONGEST man in the world with that one arm…..Teach (Blackbeard) is NOT on Shanks level.

@Polygon:

BB gave him a scar, there's not even a mention of an actual fight. I seriously doubt BB is sstronger than, or even on the same level, as Ace without his logia fruit. Also, NO ONE is gong to be well-ahead of shanks in strengh, no one. There is only one known person so far who is stronger than shanks, and that is WB. And even that is not a big differance.

What? Blackbeard GIVING shanks that scar is showing you that Blackbeard is one powerful @#%*! in some way you can say that he is on Shanks level. To say that "NOONE" is equal to Shanks strength wise is ridiculous…their are tons of monsters and Hawkeyes is stronger or equal to Shanks!!!!!

AD-HD Pirate

I would say that Mihawk is equal or just little bit weaker than Shanks.

Polygon

@Phenomenol:

What? Blackbeard GIVING shanks that scar is showing you that Blackbeard is one powerful @#%*! in some way you can say that he is on Shanks level. To say that "NOONE" is equal to Shanks strength wise is ridiculous…their are tons of monsters and Hawkeyes is stronger or equal to Shanks!!!!!

Read my post. .

Phenomenol

@AD-HD:

I would say that Mihawk is equal or just little bit weaker than Shanks.

Mihawk is Stronger or equal to Shanks! all the evidence suggests this.

Read my post. .

Yeah I just did! sorry about that…. you were saying if anybody is stronger than Shanks it is NOT going to be by much.

Phenomenol

This post is deleted!

AD-HD Pirate

Mihawk is Stronger or equal to Shanks! all the evidence suggests this.

Show me those evidences.

Impel Down

Yeah, they say that Shanks and Mihawk fought a lot and tied, but when Shanks lost his good arm, Mihawk stopped fighting him, so Mihawk is probably stronger now. As for BB, not only has he not taken Ace out yet, but even if he does, that doesn't make him stronger than WB or Shanks or even Luffy.

Phenomenol

@AD-HD:

Show me those evidences.

For one Mihawk is the Strongest swordsman in the world! and Shanks IS a swordsman…..

Polygon

@Impel:

Yeah, they say that Shanks and Mihawk fought a lot and tied, but when Shanks lost his good arm, Mihawk stopped fighting him, so Mihawk is probably stronger now. As for BB, not only has he not taken Ace out yet, but even if he does, that doesn't make him stronger than WB or Shanks or even Luffy.

Please tell me that was a bad joke.

AD-HD Pirate

Shanks IS a swordsman…..

I doubt that.

Until I see good evidence I will say that Mihawk is equal or little bit weaker than Shanks.

Gizmo

Whitebeard had some sword too, does that mean Mihawk is stronger than him?

Polygon

@ultimateclima:

Whitebeard had some sword too, does that mean Mihawk is stronger than him?

Whitebeard does not use a sword.

Gizmo

@Polygon:

Whitebeard does not use a sword.

What'd he use then?
goes back at the chapter to look

Phenomenol

@AD-HD:

I doubt that.

Until I see good evidence I will say that Mihawk is equal or little bit weaker than Shanks.

WTF?:wassat:

Shanks info in One Piece Red on page 152 (Shanks Blurb).

本来左ききであるシャンクスはかつて、右の腰に長剣を携えていた。　ミホークとライバルだった過去からみても、その剣の実力は世界でもトップクラスだったのだろう

"At first, the left-handed Shanks had simply carried his sword on the right side. When he was a rival of Mihawk, he was regarded as having some of the world's top-class skills"

As an addendum to that, Shanks carries a longsword WHENEVER he is shown, Not too mention he attacked the STRONGEST man in the world with his sword.

Whitebeard had some sword too, does that mean Mihawk is stronger than him?

Whitebeard pulled out a Kwan do! not a sword…...

Gizmo

There we go, the Kwan do, but should that weapon really be any different than a sword?

Phenomenol

Yep…..because it simply is NOT a sword.....just like Ener's Trident.

Angel emfrbl

The sword Shanks pulled out against WB was a Sabre. He uses a sabre even in the games….

AD-HD Pirate

"At first, the left-handed Shanks had simply carried his sword on the right side. When he was a rival of Mihawk, he was regarded as having some of the world's top-class skills"

Sorry, but that says nothing about Shanks being swordsman.
It just says that he gotted skills.

Ok. These guys also carrie sword:
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter19.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=419
Are they swordsmans too?
Or other countless pirates, are they swordsmans too?

Gizmo

@Phenomenol:

Yep…..because it simply is NOT a sword.....just like Ener's Trident.

Alright then. Does that mean Whitebeard weakened or Shanks is just that good then?

And if so does that mean Blackbeard is near strongest in the world right now? So much so he could probably take down Whitebeard unless he has some devil fruit himself?

Phenomenol

@AD-HD:

Sorry, but that says nothing about Shanks being swordsman.
It just says that he gotted skills.

Ok. These guys also carrie sword:
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter19.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=419
Are they swordsmans too?
Or other countless pirates, are they swordsmans too?

Shanks had simply carried his sword on the right side. When he was a rival of Mihawk, he was regarded as having some of the world's top-class skills"

Do you understand that part of the quote? It is telling you that Shanks IS a swordsman, and because of his RIVALRY with Hawkeye's he was considered as one of the best in the world! Oda himself is telling you this…....

@ultimateclima:

Alright then. Does that mean Whitebeard weakened or Shanks is just that good then?

And if so does that mean Blackbeard is near strongest in the world right now? So much so he could probably take down Whitebeard unless he has some devil fruit himself?

Who knows what the outcome of the fight will be…..For all we know this might be just for play.

Blackbeard is INSANELY strong, Shanks was letting the audience know that Blackbeard is a beast (obviously by gashing Shanks in the face). Blackbeard is as strong or maybe even sronger when he fought Shanks. I would have to see after this chapter how powerful his Logia abilities are. So far NOTHING suggest that swordsman can hurt Logia's.

Rave

@ultimateclima:

Alright then. Does that mean Whitebeard weakened or Shanks is just that good then?

And if so does that mean Blackbeard is near strongest in the world right now? So much so he could probably take down Whitebeard unless he has some devil fruit himself?

Sure, Blackbeard IS REALLY STRONG. But he isn't in top of the strongest now. We can't say anything about fights with WB. Maybe he have power ow DF making him supa strong bad-ass or something?
And remember STRONGEST doesn't mean BEST. Lucci was stronger but anyway Luffy was better and he owned Lucci. Maybe BB will have plan how to finish WB and he won't use maximum power because of good tactic?

Impel Down

So far NOTHING suggest that swordsman can hurt Logia's.

What about a sword made of sea stone?

Gizmo

Actually going on Zulen's theory in the General One Piece about steroids I think he's getting seastone injected to him. Who knows though? I'm probably really and completely off.

AD-HD Pirate

Do you understand that part of the quote? It is telling you that Shanks IS a swordsman, and because of his RIVALRY with Hawkeye's he was considered as one of the best in the world! Oda himself is telling you this…....

No. It says that he was rival of Mihawk and got skills.
Let me ask you. Do you have to be swordsman to be rival of Mihawk?
I don't think so.

And please answer this:

Ok. These guys also carrie sword:
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/…&PhotoID=41 9
Are they swordsmans too?
Or other countless pirates, are they swordsmans too?

Rave

If somebody have seasone sword first DF user back to normal and then cut (like we know seastone only cancel DF power and make hammer from it's user)

Impel Down

Shanks is definitly a swordsman who incorperates other powers, like Kaku. I'd imaging Shanks fighting style is a combination of his sword and his aura.

Phenomenol

@AD-HD:

No. It says that he was rival of Mihawk and got skills.
Let me ask you. Do you have to be swordsman to be rival of Mihawk?
I don't think so.

And please answer this:

READ it again….....

Shanks had simply carried his sword on the right side. When he was a rival of Mihawk, he was regarded as having some of the world's top-class skills"

It is telling you that he carried his sword on the right side and He was regarded as one of the best because of his rivalry with Mihawk! It really is common sense.

Also they are using swords aren't they?:wassat: Not too mention you just showed a FLASHBACK of Shanks using his SWORD! which is even more proof that he is a swordsman.

All the evidence is against you so please use common sense and stop making things up.