More marine ranks needed???

[psolaras]

By seeing some marines being in the same rank with crane doesn't quite match for me

there should be a marine rank with certain number of people that would be more recognized and that would need introduction like all the important characters in one piece cuz they have accomplished much and became famous.for people like smoker and garp there should be a rank like "supreme vice admirals" that would include only 10 people and the strongest would take an admiral's place if for some reason he left

and a title like "buster call vice admirals" that would make the strongest of the VA left to have that important job

and maybe councellor vice admirals for people with organising abilities and no strenght

to me it's like all the marines are thrown in one big "bag" and only the admirals and the supreme admiral and garp stand out much when there are dousen pirates with big reputation

the marine ranks should be more in number,don't you think?

[Morgh]

That's one of the points of bigger organizations, you're not supposed to be distinguishable until you truly are distinguished and none of the "grunts" are that. As for ranks vs role-description it's kind of already there, it's not just as apparent as "Admiral" - "Supreme Butt-Kicker" because that would ruin some of the formality of a military organization and thus the respect. No offense, but I think it'd be extremely lame.

As far as I could tell there has to be Vice Admirals accompanying the 10 warships ( 5 of them ) and not necessarily just those 5, but any 5 that are around at the time when the Buster Call is called for. As such there is no need for a special title. It's just that the VA's are the only ones that are high enough in rank to take on such an awesome responsibility.

People with organizing abilities and no strength are recognized as well, just look at Spandam. Then again, you really don't want to announce to the world that "This guy's an awesome asset to us, but he's weak as a kitten so easy pickings".

[Carly]

There aren't enough words in Japanese

[psolaras]

@Morgh:

That's one of the points of bigger organizations, you're not supposed to be distinguishable until you truly are distinguished and none of the "grunts" are that. As for ranks vs role-description it's kind of already there, it's not just as apparent as "Admiral" - "Supreme Butt-Kicker" because that would ruin some of the formality of a military organization and thus the respect. No offense, but I think it'd be extremely lame.

As far as I could tell there has to be Vice Admirals accompanying the 10 warships ( 5 of them ) and not necessarily just those 5, but any 5 that are around at the time when the Buster Call is called for. As such there is no need for a special title. It's just that the VA's are the only ones that are high enough in rank to take on such an awesome responsibility.

People with organizing abilities and no strength are recognized as well, just look at Spandam. Then again, you really don't want to announce to the world that "This guy's an awesome asset to us, but he's weak as a kitten so easy pickings".

you don't exactly get my point,people wih organising abilities will be in the headquarters only or in charge of a base

the VA that will be responsible for the BC don't have to be a certain number,some VA will be given that title and some not and that way only the capable of controlling this situations will be granted with such a huge responsibillity,remember akainu and his attacking the ship with the innocent in ohara and killing them

the admirals,my rank "supreme VA admirals" and the schichibukai will be in the new world (as for sengoku i don't know if and when he leaves the HQ or if him being there was just for the scichibukai council),some "BC VA admirals" will be near the HQ just for the ocassion and the others patrolling (like it happens in reality with things like that) and the other VA and marines will do exactrly what they are doing now

it's that the marine force should be more organized and famous like the pirates since they are equal

@Carly:

There aren't enough words in Japanese

lol!!

[Zephos]

you don't exactly get my point,people wih organising abilities will be in the headquarters only or in charge of a base

the VA that will be responsible for the BC don't have to be a certain number,some VA will be given that title and some not and that way only the capable of controlling this situations will be granted with such a huge responsibillity,remember akainu and his attacking the ship with the innocent in ohara and killing them

the admirals,my rank "supreme VA admirals" and the schichibukai will be in the new world (as for sengoku i don't know if and when he leaves the HQ or if him being there was just for the scichibukai council),some "BC VA admirals" will be near the HQ just for the ocassion and the others patrolling (like it happens in reality with things like that) and the other VA and marines will do exactrly what they are doing now

it's that the marine force should be more organized and famous like the pirates since they are equal

Thats just not how the military works. At all.
The marines are a professional government organization, not a wrestling federation.
That would be very tacky for them.

[dlo62282]

I am pretty sure Crane would kick most of the pirate's ass that are not in the New World.

[Aldrich]

They don't need any more ranks, what Oda should do though is clarify whether marine ranks mainly work as power levels or not.

[FireFistAce 0]

@Carly:

There aren't enough words in Japanese

With 55,000 different Kanji, I highly doubt that. ^^;

Personally, I think the ranks are fine, but they need more distinguishing. Some of the VA's we've seen are beasts. Garp doesn't count cause it's pretty obvious he was the former Akainu, but Smoker is easily on VA level, Hina's pretty damn impressive for her rank, Saul was a beast…

If the Buster Call VA's had fought, I'm sure they'd have opened a can of whoopass.

[onemoment]

@psolaras:

By seeing some marines being in the same rank with crane doesn't quite match for me

there should be a marine rank with certain number of people that would be more recognized and that would need introduction like all the important characters in one piece cuz they have accomplished much and became famous.for people like smoker and garp there should be a rank like "supreme vice admirals" that would include only 10 people and the strongest would take an admiral's place if for some reason he left

and a title like "buster call vice admirals" that would make the strongest of the VA left to have that important job

and maybe councellor vice admirals for people with organising abilities and no strenght

to me it's like all the marines are thrown in one big "bag" and only the admirals and the supreme admiral and garp stand out much when there are dousen pirates with big reputation

the marine ranks should be more in number,don't you think?

NO! God no!

They don't need any more ranks, what Oda should do though is clarify whether marine ranks mainly work as power levels or not.

Yes.

I think we'll know the real strong marines when we see it. The 5 VAs at the Buster Call did not fight, so we never got a taste of their strength. When a marine fight, we'll simply see their strength.

So…don't rely on the rank and wait for them to fight.

[psolaras]

well i am happy most of you disagree (:cwy:)

[Kranimal]

I feel its kinda messy in there… because; Is aokiji at a higher rank than garp?? and what about those 5 BC admirals, are they a higher rank than garp??

or what i mean is that you have

THE WORLD LEADERS
SENGOKOU

after those two, im kinda confused....and where does smoker fit in, in all of this....if its not too much to ask, could someone just give me a quick list over "who is placed where"

[psolaras]

well smoker is a captain,garp is a VA like the other 5 at the BC (buster call) incident and aokiji is an admiral along with akainu and kizaru,one rank higher than garp and lower only than sengoku,search in wikipedia and you shall find all the ranks,sorry but if i had more time i would do it and post a link

kizaru has not been introduced and we saw a glimpse of akainu's face in robiin's flashback

also there are 2 other divisions,head quarters marines and non head quarters

[AD-HD Pirate]

Here you got:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_%28One_Piece%29#Characters_in_the_Navy
Enjoy.

[Angel emfrbl]

More ranks? Heck no, we still have spots where Marine has been introduced that are of that rank!

[onemoment]

@Kranimal:

I feel its kinda messy in there… because; Is aokiji at a higher rank than garp?? and what about those 5 BC admirals, are they a higher rank than garp??

or what i mean is that you have

THE WORLD LEADERS
SENGOKOU
–---------
after those two, im kinda confused....and where does smoker fit in, in all of this....if its not too much to ask, could someone just give me a quick list over "who is placed where"

Aokiji is definitely a higher rank then Garp, it's VA vs. Admiral. However, I think that Garp is in a whole other league then the 5 BC VAs.

[Carly]

@Fire Fist:

With 55,000 different Kanji, I highly doubt that. ^^;

Personally, I think the ranks are fine, but they need more distinguishing. Some of the VA's we've seen are beasts. Garp doesn't count cause it's pretty obvious he was the former Akainu, but Smoker is easily on VA level, Hina's pretty damn impressive for her rank, Saul was a beast…

If the Buster Call VA's had fought, I'm sure they'd have opened a can of whoopass.

55,000 kanji ?! The hell ? There's only about 3,000 that people actually know in Japan. Sit down before you fall down, son.

I guess you could put together something like 赤電車材料家族船長 but seriously… ranks are ranks, dude.

[Darkariel]

I don't see any need for more Ranks

The Marine Ranks aren't just about strength

There actually the example of Tsuru she doesn't seem to be the strongest but she is called The Tactician for a reason, on the other hand Garp might be a power house but intelligence is not his strong

[Seven]

More rank? Man,whatever happen to commodore and rear-admiral? It's mostly captains,vice-admirals n admiral. Here's hoping Bogart to be the first rear-admiral introduced.

[Kranimal]

Haha, i never thought of it that way, but its really funny that sengoku has a goat. All he needs now is some lube

[Kranimal]

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[Ubiq]

@psolaras:

it's that the marine force should be more organized

It is organized; it's called a ranking system. Admirals at the top, enlisted cannon fodder at the bottom.

and famous like the pirates since they are equal

The Navy isn't equal to piracy. The HQ is equal to the Yonkou, but that's only the four strongest pirates and there are absolutely insane numbers of pirates out there judging by the fact that a single person can amass a 5,000 man crew of pirates and still have many rivals in the same Blue.

If they were equal, then the World Government wouldn't need to take drastic steps like allying themselves with malicious bastards who hold them in contempt like Doflamingo or spending five years attempting to get the plans for Pluton. At best, the Navy manages to keep whatever area that they're directly located at pacified, but most of the world is left to fend for themselves.

[psolaras]

@Ubiq:

The Navy isn't equal to piracy. The HQ is equal to the Yonkou, but that's only the four strongest pirates and there are absolutely insane numbers of pirates out there judging by the fact that a single person can amass a 5,000 man crew of pirates and still have many rivals in the same Blue.

well i know that and that is what i meant,picture the yonkou and the marines,there are the yonkou and the scichibukai that are pretty famous and now look at the marines…

there aren't so well introduced,i believe we first saw an admiral and then a VA and people were wondering in what level were the 5 BC VA and if they could take down the SH and that is exactly what i mean,the VA would have to face the SH and their powerhouses would be in another rank for them to face them later

that way we could see the SH strenght development

[FireFistAce 0]

@Carly:

55,000 kanji ?! The hell ? There's only about 3,000 that people actually know in Japan. Sit down before you fall down, son.

I guess you could put together something like 赤電車材料家族船長 but seriously… ranks are ranks, dude.

Red Streetcar material family captain? What the hell? XD

I just read somewhere that there's 55,000 total Kanji, is all, and that's why only Japanese businessmen can read the paper in Japan.

Personally, I thought John Giant was Rear-Admiral, just from his position of authority. Maybe the guy that reprimanded Attachan was one, too.

[anvilofstars]

There really is no point to having that many VA's and stuff. Seriously, who the hell would give a shit about a Vice Admiral in an Office in a Manga. No one would care and be like he can sign off 55,000 papers a minute, he truly is amazing. Or he made such a good organization of troops… that would be lame. No one wants to waste more weeks reading that lame stuff. As it is the manga is going to be long... im happy none of that stuff was put in.

[Ubiq]

@Fire Fist:

I just read somewhere that there's 55,000 total Kanji, is all, and that's why only Japanese businessmen can read the paper in Japan.

There are over 600,000 words in the English language (which is constantly expanding as well; resistance is futile, other languages will be assimilated), but only a small percentage of population knows more than even a quarter of that. I seem to recall hearing that most writers use something along the lines of 125,000 words at most.

So the mere existence of kanji doesn't mean that people are aware of them.

[SaiyaJedi]

@Fire Fist:

I just read somewhere that there's 55,000 total Kanji, is all, and that's why only Japanese businessmen can read the paper in Japan.

55,000 is approximately how many Chinese characters there are total, including rare and variant characters that have been used perhaps once in the last 3,000 years.

The benchmark for literacy in Japan is 1945 characters (coincidence?) from the Jouyou Kanji list. In practice, it takes maybe 500 past that to read specialist publications with no troubles whatsoever, but certainly not anywhere approaching the number of kanji that ever existed. Even the highest level of the Kanji Kentei exam, which is practically superhuman, only tests about 6000 kanji.

In short, 55,000 is a really high number (and gets brought up even more often in discussions of how the Chinese ever learn to read), but it isn't realistic compared to the number of characters anyone actually knows.

[psolaras]

lol,chinese or japanese????

[Angel emfrbl]

And now its offical…

... This topic is just starting to get silly!

[psolaras]

@Angel:

And now its offical…

... This topic is just starting to get silly!

oops,i forgot the lol (it made me look like i was asking)

well half of my threads are silly cuz people start discussing about how days are the SH in sea or about kanji and things like that when a lot of people disagree without knowing why,just cuz they are negative,at least we learn something offtopic

i had spoken of iceburg making W7 a floating island but as usual people were like:"yeah,right":getlost:

people that made or replied in threads about the level of the BC VA and asked if the SH could take them now say that the VA rank are clear enough:blink: and another rank isn't needed:wassat:

at least i know that half of my predictions come true and that is a small satisfaction when almost all the people that disagree with me bitch in the forums cuz the things weren't going in the way they predicted

[Impel Down]

So, to be the Head Admiral/ Buddah of the Marines, do you need actual power or is it just a job you get for being tactical? Because Sengoku doesn't seem very powerful.

[psolaras]

@Impel:

So, to be the Head Admiral/ Buddah of the Marines, do you need actual power or is it just a job you get for being tactical? Because Sengoku doesn't seem very powerful.

i am sure that sengoku is at least the second in power after aokiji if not the first

[Morgh]

I did understand what you mean psolaras, and I disagreed for the reasons I mentioned.
I think the rule of thumb for the ranks is power, although there are the odd exceptions like Smoker and such. After all, if you're smart as hell and can command/manipulate giant armadas/superpowerful people that annihilate anything in your/their path, what the hell do you need "powerlevel 89273547862834734" for? :P

[psolaras]

@Morgh:

I did understand what you mean psolaras, and I disagreed for the reasons I mentioned.
I think the rule of thumb for the ranks is power, although there are the odd exceptions like Smoker and such. After all, if you're smart as hell and can command/manipulate giant armadas/superpowerful people that annihilate anything in your/their path, what the hell do you need "powerlevel 89273547862834734" for? :P

that is true but not on the powerhouses (yonkou,scichibukai) i can imagine for example ace or mihawk destroying easily numerous ships so how can a tactician prevent that? that is why another rank would be needed

[Grahf]

You're all getting too wrapped up in "rankings" and comparing them to one another.

Physical prowness /= Leadership abilities /= Tactical awareness /= Loyalty & obedience /= Accomplishments

For advancement in a military orginization, any of the above paths may lead to the top, or be a pitfall in advancement.

Take Smoker for instance. With his physical prowness, his tactical decsions, and his accomplishments at Roguetown he should easily have a higher rank than Captain. However, he is an insubordinate SOB. So hes stonewalled into being a Captain. If he wanted to advance, all he would have to do is follow orders, but that would go against his sense of justice.

Leave the "Power Levels" to other manga, I'm disapointed that dokoris made it into the series (though that may have been an isolated tool for CP9 only, which would be fine!).

[Aldrich]

"Leave power levels to other mangas"? You know, it's funny to see how some people are reading too much into OP; OP is a shonen, a very original one maybe, but a shonen nevertheless, and as such it obeys to rules and conventions that are typical to shonens.

For the moment the "ranks = power level" thing is not set in stone, but the fact the highest ranked officers of the Marine happen to be the 3 strongest fighters of the organization is one of the few hints that'd tend to confirm this theory.

[gaara d. lucci]

Indeed Aldrich. There are some hints to ranks=power level, if you pay enough attention. Atleast IMO.

Also, if you payed attention to DB, powerlevels weren't even mentioned after the Frieza arc. I don't recall any numbers being blurted out after that point.

It's mostly the fans who tend to f**k themselves by sticking to em (same with the Douriki situation) even when the mangaka doesn't bother with them anymore.

[psolaras]

@Grahf:

You're all getting too wrapped up in "rankings" and comparing them to one another.

Physical prowness /= Leadership abilities /= Tactical awareness /= Loyalty & obedience /= Accomplishments

For advancement in a military orginization, any of the above paths may lead to the top, or be a pitfall in advancement.

Take Smoker for instance. With his physical prowness, his tactical decsions, and his accomplishments at Roguetown he should easily have a higher rank than Captain. However, he is an insubordinate SOB. So hes stonewalled into being a Captain. If he wanted to advance, all he would have to do is follow orders, but that would go against his sense of justice.

Leave the "Power Levels" to other manga, I'm disapointed that dokoris made it into the series (though that may have been an isolated tool for CP9 only, which would be fine!).

i am not sayin you don't have a point but for me oda buries smoker and his fans that way and the same goes for garp

aokiji believes in his own justice and has let robin loose (that was then a bigger issue than luffy is now cuz of the existance of the ancient weapons) but that didn't cost him

akainu followed his own justice when he bombed the innocent's ship in ohara but that didn't cost him

smoker also believes in his own justice so why it has to cost him??

superb characters for me should be more recognized than the VA

i insist on another rank or two needed

@Aldrich:

"Leave power levels to other mangas"? You know, it's funny to see how some people are reading too much into OP; OP is a shonen, a very original one maybe, but a shonen nevertheless, and as such it obeys to rules and conventions that are typical to shonens.

For the moment the "ranks = power level" thing is not set in stone, but the fact the highest ranked officers of the Marine happen to be the 3 strongest fighters of the organization is one of the few hints that'd tend to confirm this theory.

i agree totally

[wolfwood]

@Impel:

So, to be the Head Admiral/ Buddah of the Marines, do you need actual power or is it just a job you get for being tactical? Because Sengoku doesn't seem very powerful.

looks can be deceiving and what really settled it for me that he was strong was the way Whitebeard talked about him with the same respect he had for Garp,and Roger as real men of the seas of old and i dont think you get ol whiteys respect for being a pencil pusher just my thoughts tho,

and then theres implied things that to me indicate that hes not someone you fuck with like the way he just walked in at the meeting where Don flamingo was causing a ruckus and just told flamingo to cut the crap and settle down and flamingo obeyed his command mean having a man with the highest known bounty atm fear him thats gotta indicate something me thinks.

[Ubiq]

@wolfwood:

hes not someone you fuck with like the way he just walked in at the meeting where Don flamingo was causing a ruckus and just told flamingo to cut the crap and settle down and flamingo obeyed his command mean having a man with the highest known bounty atm fear him thats gotta indicate something me thinks.

Doflamingo was clearly not afraid of Sengoku; he giggled at Sengoku's insults, showed a serious lack of respect for the entire meeting by hopping up on the table, and was about to use his ability to Sengoku to boot. The only things that kept him from using his Mystical Mojo ability on Sengoku were the arrival of Mihawk, which broke his train of thought in the first place, and Lafitte popping up out of nowhere with a suggestion that both intrigued him and gave him a way out of a boring meeting.

In the end, the situation with Sengoku was pretty much the exact same as it was with Crane: Doflamingo stopped acting up for a second, but was back to normal shortly after. He waited a bit longer the second time, but then Bear suggested starting the meeting that time while he sat there and ignored everything prior to then.