Is it possible, that Sandai Kitetsu (aka "the cursed one") is having an effect on Zoros ever behavior since he got it? He has gotten more serious and bloodthirstier than he obviously was before owning the sword.
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Geeze, Good old maccy needs to learn to express himself correctly in english.
Zoro was always kind of serious and bloodthirsty, but yeah, it's definately effecting him. Just look at the scene where he finds Kaku. Kaku states that Zoro's energy feels like that of a demon. Arguably you could say that it's responsible for his transformation, although that may just be "spirit" like Shanks displayed.
I never got the impression that it was really the sword so much as Zoro's drive and determination. I saw the change hit more around his fight with Mihawk than him getting the sword. Granted, not a whole lot of time seperates the two events, but he did seem less prone to laughing in Arlong Park than in the previous arcs.
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The question is what indicators we use to compare his growth of bloodthirstyness (sp?). The line he gave Kaku about his swords groaning for blood are a weak indicator because they were meant as response to Kaku´s "I see you already got your swords drawn" line. If one of his previous opponents would have said something equal to that, he might have responded in an equal manner, so it really is a weak indicator.
Other then that he hasn´t done anything that shows a growth of bloodthirst. It´s not like he started to drink the opponents blood or something like that. He actually is straight forward a swordsman as he was before. He got only better and more focused. Bloodthirst doesn´t strike me as anything that has something to do with it.
I think Zoro would be weak-minded if the sword did wind up controlling him. But in a way, it would make sense that it has some sort of part in the way he is now… It hasn't acted up like it did in Whiskey Peak as far as I know... Maybe he somehow learned how to control it himself without even realizing it...?
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Zoro is indeed getting more serious but in all fairness i've got a biased opinion due to the length of the arc we've just gone through and the fact that so much of that he had to be serious through so much of it as was everyone else. that aside though i believe Oda always intended for Zoro to be the 'medium'/'bridge' between the way the rest of the crew act and the way that Robin acts as at at least in Skypiea she was pretty much and extremity as opposed to part of the body.
I never got the impression that it was really the sword so much as Zoro's drive and determination. I saw the change hit more around his fight with Mihawk than him getting the sword. Granted, not a whole lot of time seperates the two events, but he did seem less prone to laughing in Arlong Park than in the previous arcs.
Think I'll go with this that's when I saw a character change.
Before he fought Mihawk zoro was arrogant he thought no-one could beat him. When he fought MIhawk he was owned so his view was changed. There is no time for fun and games he doesn't care he just wants to get stronger.
He's still arrogant though but I think alot less than before e.g against buggy he said "don't do it you'll die" (something along the lines of that) even though he knew nothing about him. To me that means he thinks he's unbeatable( or maybe he could see the difference between his skills and buggys)
I will totally oppose the theory of Zoro being bloodthirsty, because there are countless of times when he's spared people whom a truly bloodthirsty man with his ability would simply butcher. All these events happened after he lost to Mihawk and got the cursed sword.
-Didn't deliver the finishing blow to Tashqi.
-The nun and the kid in Whiskey Peak were struck with the back of his swords to spare their lives.
-He remained non-agressive against Bellamy at Luffy's request.
-He plowed through the Galley La workers in Water 7 with the back of his swords because they were really not his enemies.
-He warned Captain T-Bone to get out of the way at the train journey to Enies Lobby, and struck him down only to prevent him from destroying the Rocket Man.
These incidents (and I'm sure there are more) shows that Zoro is not cruel. The only times he's appeared "demonic" is in situations were he HAD to pull out all stops to complete his task. He obviously draws strenght from his "evil" half (like when he used Asura), but he has perfect control over it. I challenge anyone to mention an incident were Zoro was unnecesarily violent to anyone.
To me that means he thinks he's unbeatable …
Hmm … I don't get the impression that Zoro thinks he's unbeatable -- I get the impression that Zoro thinks that in order to become unbeatable, he must first convince himself (and then then others) that he's unbeatable. And how to do that easily? By belittling the enemy. How else can he quickly summon up enough nerve to fight enemies who are much stronger than he is?
Look at Zoro's body language when he first meets Mihawk -- his jaw is dropped, his eyes are practically popping out, and he's sweating like crazy. Then a few seconds later, he pulls himself together, gets a grip, summons up enough nerve and belittles Mihawk by making a formal challenge to him.
And that's probably why Mihawk does two contradictory things in response (he calls Zoro a "weakling", but also calls him "fierce") -- because Mihawk has been able to read Zoro's body language and see through bragging.
And to realize that it's both a sign of Zoro's weakness as well as a sign of Zoro's strength.
Hopefully this makes sense? I may not be explaining it very well.
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Well done Urokråke! Your post came through while I was composing mine. I'm in complete agreement with what you've said.
Hmm … I don't get the impression that Zoro thinks he's unbeatable -- I get the impression that Zoro thinks that in order to become unbeatable, he must first convince himself (and then then others) that he's unbeatable. And how to do that easily? By belittling the enemy. How else can he quickly summon up enough nerve to fight enemies who are much stronger than he is?
Look at Zoro's body language when he first meets Mihawk -- his jaw is dropped, his eyes are practically popping out, and he's sweating like crazy. Then a few seconds later, he pulls himself together, gets a grip, summons up enough nerve and belittles Mihawk by making a formal challenge to him.
And that's probably why Mihawk does two contradictory things in response (he calls Zoro a "weakling", but also calls him "fierce") -- because Mihawk has been able to read Zoro's body language and see through bragging.
And to realize that it's both a sign of Zoro's weakness as well as a sign of Zoro's strength.Hopefully this makes sense? I may not be explaining it very well.
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Well done Urokråke! Your message came through while I was composing mine. I'm in complete agreement with what you've said.
That was when he saw Mihawk I agree on that
But from what i see if your looking for the best you think your going to win otherwise there is no point. If he didn't think he could win he would have trained some more.
I think he thought he was something else but seeing Mihawk made him realise he isn't. So I still think the Mihawk fight changed him
I think he thought he was something else but seeing Mihawk made him realise he isn't. So I still think the Mihawk fight changed him
I agree. He assumed he was much stronger than he really was, and the realization that he was perhaps not so strong as all that shook his confidence badly. Mihawk's easy victory shook it further. But instead of sulking and giving up his dream, he did what he'd done approximately 2000 times before (after losing to Kuina) : he dusted himself off, licked his wounds, and trained with the intent of becoming stronger.
What is his obsessive training, after all, if not an (anxious) attempt to close the gap between what he says he is and what he actually is?
! wait didnt the sword break?
i thought only had the original sword he started with left… maybe i didnt pay enough attention
! The cursed one didn't break, he still has that one as well as Kuina's former sword. Only the Jirabatsu or something was destroyed.
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! > wait didnt the sword break?
i thought only had the original sword he started with left… maybe i didnt pay enough attention
! cough SPOILER cough
! Only Yubashiri was destroyed… he still has Wadou & Sandai...
I agree with the people saying that Zoro's sword hasn't had an effect on his personality. I believe its more zoro himself who's driving himself to be more of a badass, and more serious about his shit
Errr…Yubashiri?
I agree with Neko, if the Kitetsu made a drastic change in Zoro's personality and atiitude, it would make him appear rather weak minded. I think that since Zoro has kind of adapted to the Grand Line, he's become more fearsome, however, as mentioned numerous times before, he never unecessarily kills, and he always respect the opponents he deems worthy of bearing the title of swordsman (notice that, even if the opponent isn't insanely strong, he puts on his bandana as a small gesture of respect towards their power/bushido/etc., T-Bone, Kaku, Mr. 1).
I don't think that the Kitetsu isc changing him… He has a strong will and it would show that he is weak minded to let him control by a sword...
I also think that he get more serious, but with the time and experiences people change. Zoro is still bad-ass but more focused but he also had his fun with his crew
You are all right that there isn't much evidence showing that zoro's personality has changed as a direct response to the curse. But in any case, has the sword changed his techniques?
Before obtaining the cursed blade, most of zoro's attacks were animal themed: bull, eagle and the like. But in skypiea, Enies Lobby etc. they have been demon themed. Can anyone trace a direct link between his newer demonic techniques and the cursed sword?
Yeah zoro's will is incredibly strong. The guy grinned in deaths face when mihawk slashed him. I doubt a sword can beat that.
I am hoping Oda will make an arc about Sandai kitetsu so we can see what this curse is going to do, or did he already overcome it in loguetown?
I dont think swords have the will to change people… that hasnt been stated in the manga atleast. Its more that they have a will of their own. Sandai kitetsu doesn't make Zoro want to do bad things, the sword itself wants to do bad things. I think thats why the owners of the swords usually have a bad fate.
Before obtaining the cursed blade, most of zoro's attacks were animal themed: bull, eagle and the like. But in skypiea, Enies Lobby etc. they have been demon themed. quote]
I don't think this is correct. Zoro's first and most often used named attack is Oni Giri, which means "Rice Ball" or Demon Slash", right?
Yeah zoro's will is incredibly strong. The guy grinned in deaths face when mihawk slashed him. I doubt a sword can beat that.
I agree with that.
I am hoping Oda will make an arc about Sandai kitetsu so we can see what this curse is going to do, or did he already overcome it in loguetown?
I don't think that it would need an whole arc, to "battle" the sword. In Logue Town proved he can wield it by making the "throw-in-the-air-and-let-it-fall-around-the-arm"-test
btw:
When I heard about the fifth movie "the coursed sword" for the first time, I expected that it would be about the Kitetsu and the curse that lies upon it. The movie poster even shows an evil looking Zorro holding Kitetsu in foreground. But no… :getlost:
btw:
When I heard about the fifth movie "the coursed sword" for the first time, I expected that it would be about the Kitetsu and the curse that lies upon it. The movie poster even shows an evil looking Zorro holding Kitetsu in foreground. But no… :getlost:
Cheap marketing tricks, like using cgi to sell a game I can't stand it.
Yeah the sword wouldn't need an arc as big as enies lobby but small 10-15 chapter would do just fine. I just love the idea of the sword having some sort of demon inside and it's going to try and make zoro have a tragic death.
A question on the side…
Did anyone ask himseld why the Sanai Kitetsu is just a Wazomono and not a Ryo Wazomono... I alway have the feeling that it is a better sword than the Yubashiri... the Nidai Kitetsu and Shodai Kitetsu even have a better rank and are cursed as well as the Sandai
Ryō Wazamono
