I'm sorry if this topic already exists, and if so then please direct me to that topic. As for my topic: could there have been a link between Dragon and Sir Crocodile? The more I've thought about it, the more it makes sense. Of course only Oda can confirm this!
We all know Crocodile wanted to overthrow Alabasta for his own personal reasons. But could it be possible that Dragon had something to do with it? Could it have been a connection with Dragon in some way, shape or form that motivated Crocodile to just go to Impel Down? I don't really have a theory per se, but I was hoping that maybe you guys would like to have an honest discussion with me about this.
We also know that Dragon wants to overthrow local governments and potentially the World Government. Could Alabasta been a part of his plan?
Where do you guys stand on this?
I've Been Pondering About This… (Maybe Spoilers)
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I lean towards the notion that Crocodile was working for the World Government with an eye towards double crossing them when he got Pluton. His relationship to the rebellion was that he was helped start it and push it along, but he was simply using them as a convenient method to achieve his goals. Crocodile wanted the country under his control while Kohza wanted the Nefertari family out of power. Of course, as far as most Alabastans were concerned, Crocodile may well have been preferable to Cobra, but we don't know what type of government Kohza had in mind.
Anyway, I can't imagine Dragon wanting a country to fall under the country of a Shichibukai. It's not quite as bad as the World Government controlling it, but it's not much better where he would be concerned.
As far as Dragon and Alabasta goes, we see at least one person in his camp wearing the style of hat that we see Dragon's people wearing, so the Alabastan rebels were either an arm of the Revolutionary Army or were infiltrated by it. Alabasta is the largest and most powerful member of the World Government that we've seen so far. If it fell into anarchy, then that'd be a major blow to the World Government and would almost certainly require that they step in and restore order. That would draw their attention away from other places and force them to dispatch the Navy away from other places that Dragon has designs on.
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I strongly doubt it.
Crocodile relied heavily upon secrecy in order to operate BW without being discovered. Bringing in an outsider like Dragon would complicate things. This assumes that Croc had planned the overthrow of Alabasta before Dragon. I make this assumption based on Robin's age when she first started working for Croc (16) subtracted from her current age (28) :
28-16=12
So, Sir Crocodile had been planning the overthrow of Alabasta for about twelve years. Dragon only started to be considered a serious threat about ten years ago. Therefore, even if Dragon had dreamed of overthrowing Alabasta since before Luffy's birth, Croc set his plot in motion first.
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Actually, Robin states in chapter 203 that she and Crocodile formed their alliance four years ago. This means Robin was 24 years old at the time she and Crocodile joined up.
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As far as Dragon and Alabasta goes, we see at least one person in his camp wearing the style of hat that we see Dragon's people wearing, so the Alabastan rebels were either an arm of the Revolutionary Army or were infiltrated by it.
Seriously?! Which chapter from the Alabasta Arc could I find the rebels with the similar hat style that Dragon's people had? That's an awesome observation! Thank you!
So there may not be a connection between Dragon and Crocodile, but that couldn't rule out the possibility that Dragon's organization got involved in Alabasta's civil war. I like the idea of Dragon's people infiltrating Kohza's Revolutionary Army! That makes more sense that Dragon having a connection to Crocodile. Especially since Crocodile just wanted to overthrow Alabasta for himself and likewise obtain Pluton.
Perhaps Crocodile decided to go to Impel Down because he may have been aware that a conflict is brewing between the World Government and the Revolutionaries? Maybe not, but that would also be interesting.
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Seriously?! Which chapter from the Alabasta Arc could I find the rebels with the similar hat style that Dragon's people had? That's an awesome observation! Thank you!
There's one guy standing behind Kohza in 167 wearing a top hat that looks like the one we see them wearing in 440 and we see him a few other times in the chapter. I haven't looked through the other chapters that carefully yet, but I seem to recall seeing someone else wearing one as well. It might just be the same guy. If so, he may be an advisor dispatched by the Revolutionary Army.
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i see some point in Dragon wanting to overthrow it. But then seeing through the rebbelion that the land werent that bad and decided it wasnt worth it
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There's one guy standing behind Kohza in 167 wearing a top hat that looks like the one we see them wearing in 440 and we see him a few other times in the chapter. I haven't looked through the other chapters that carefully yet, but I seem to recall seeing someone else wearing one as well. It might just be the same guy. If so, he may be an advisor dispatched by the Revolutionary Army.
I just looked at both chapters (167 and 440) and it's true! Could Kohza have been in cahoots with Dragon? It seems like it now. The whole trouble brewing with Dragon is, IMHO, the most intriguing large-scale, long-term event in One Piece and I can't wait to see how Dragon's plans develop and how his plans affect the Straw Hats.
I wonder if Fish Man Island is on Dragon's list? Or Elbaf? Damn I can't wait for chapter 441 now!
In regards to Crocodile, it looks like his personal agenda was a whole separate factor in the Alabastan Civil War. Do any of you think that he would have presented a conflict of interest with Dragon?
There's so much to think about!
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As far as Dragon and Alabasta goes, we see at least one person in his camp wearing the style of hat that we see Dragon's people wearing
wait, where?!
they were wearing turbans and headcovers!
dragon's people were wearing cute animal helmets with futuristic goggles!
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ok if u were referring to the bowler/top hats.. it's not exactly something unheard of/new/rare
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_Fishman Island… hard to say. Considering that the various Fishman groups are usually referred to as gangs, there's a good chance that their homeland is basically run by the mob. As such, there may not be a centralized government for Dragon to overthrow. Besides the World Government may not have much of an active role there as a result of payoffs.
Elbaf... I doubt it as I tend to think that the giants there don't play much of a role in politics. They're still waiting for Dorry and Broggy to come back after all. They'd be a powerful ally to be sure, but they don't seem to have the presence on the Grand Line that they should. As such, it's most likely that they tend to keep to themselves.
In regards to Crocodile, it looks like his personal agenda was a whole separate factor in the Alabastan Civil War. Do any of you think that he would have presented a conflict of interest with Dragon?
There's so much to think about!Depends; Crocodile might feel confident enough with Pluton to directly challenge the World Government. That would help Dragon as the World Government would either have to wage war against Alabasta or back down. The first would inflict some pretty heavy casualties on the Navy while the second would make the World Government look weak.
On the other hand, I doubt that there's any room in Dragon's vision for a Crocodile-dominated world and vice versa.
ok if u were referring to the bowler/top hats.. it's not exactly something unheard of/new/rare
It's not a common fashion at all in Alabasta. Besides, look at his clothes in 167. That's not your standard Alabasta fashion either, but would be better suited to a much colder climate._
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