@joekido:
We don't need to be correct, we want to respect Oda's original material and we don't want to be stripped into giving it dub names and not original names. We want to make things suitible to One Piece fans. That is excatly what AP.net is doing.
Seems you're a little bit behind the times. The ultimate decision in that argument was to go with the author's Romaji spellings, where applicable. Seems like, more than respecting the original material, what you're doing is giving fans free rein to decide arbitrarily how things "should be," without needing pesky things like "facts" to stand in their way.
We wanted the OP Wikia to stick closly to the original source, we need to be able to put much One Piece effort to applease all fans and we set our own rules. Theofore if you support Navy that's your choice.
But how is "Marines" any closer to the original source than "Navy?" It says "MARINE" on the emblem, and Kaigun ("Navy") in the dialogue. The argument could be made for "Marine" in its archaic sense (that of a navy or flotilla), but certainly not "marines" (which refers to soldiers only, not an organization).
Look in AP.net, they'er doing the same thing, why can't we?
I'm not saying you can't, but that's not the point. They're an OP fansite. They can do what they want. The issue at hand was your problem with Wikipedia, which is most assuredly not a One Piece fansite.
Well if you look at other people's harsh comment towards Wikipedia you'll see why it's hated. Seems to that you are postive about Wikipedia and manage to defend it, you knew the flaws but won't just go "ugh, I hate this" and walked away so yet that's your path
It's obvious that plenty of people are passionate about what they believe, and some have a problem with playing nicely with others. What I fail to see, though, is the amount of hatred that it seems to inspire. I mean, after all… it's one thing if the One Piece articles were defamatory and intentionally misleading, but the fact is that they aren't; they're not all as good as they could be, but they have the basics down, and they can always be improved. And besides, there's times where you really need to take a step back and tell yourself, "It's just a cartoon. I should really just relax."
That's your opition and mine is differant. OP Wikipedia may have real OP fans but there'er are many people who don't know One Piece very well and most are anime freaks who would put fanboyism in the text such as "Lucchi can beat Enel without breaking a sweat!" which is not confimed and was written the way the person wants it to look like. Now look at AP.net, we don't see what is common in Wikipedia and it is written by people who are experts in One Piece
As for the first argument there, I don't know what you mean by "real OP fans." Surely, those who try to keep the pages balanced and sensible are as "real" fans as the ones who post fanboy nonsense (unless, of course, they're vandals, but that's a different issue entirely). They simply go about the articles differently, according to the way they see things.
ArlongPark has the benefit of being under the creative control of a small group of people, who can choose exactly how they want things and leave it like that. It's much easier to put things how they want them, but at the same time, it means that the content is limited to their own expertise. I have no doubt that many of us here are "experts" at One Piece, but nobody knows every single facet of the series. That's just inhuman. Plus, as I stated before, it has the advantage of being a dedicated One Piece fansite. The purpose of Wikipedia wasn't to document every last detail of One Piece. It's a general encyclopedia, meant to cover lots of topics. Like it or not, it's got that built-in limitation, and anything too esoteric is likely to be removed.
Theofore One Piece Wikia is free to edit but we don't want people who are otakus and people who tries to put Wikipedia influance, we want to have people who follows the rules and be free of Wikipedia basic. We wanted that Wikia to be full of pure One Piece source and to be relible to One Piece fans.
Again, I don't know what you're trying to get at, here. You want something reliable, yet you're recruiting a very specific kind of fan (one who is at odds with Wikipedia), which is bound to cause issues in terms of objectivity. ("It's fun to be contrarian! Look at me, I use 'Marines' just to stick it to Viz and all those pinko Commies at Wikipedia!"). Creating a separate OP infobase is all well and good, but keep in mind that it's only as reliable at the kind of material you're basing it on. If you use only fan translations, there's bound to be errors large and small. The series as it exists untranslated is the only "pure" One Piece out there, but you don't seem too interested in following quite that closely.
I hold that the syncretic nature of Wikipedia is far more conducive to gaining a larger picture of the series as a whole, rather than everyone believing the same exact thing and having no problems whatsoever with what's already there. After all, if there's no conflict at all, the articles won't improve.
I understand your a OP fan too and I'm not going to judge you, what we are applying is Wikipedia is too poor and unrelible and it's won't let use expand the outcome of the story.
Again, Wikipedia has its limitations. I'll give you that. I just think you're exaggerating things to exploit a general sentiment, rather than making a real appraisal / critique of the situation.
That said, far be it from me to interfere with your project. I'm obviously not the kind of fan you're looking for, so… carry on.
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