Originally posted by Zephos@Mar 7 2005, 12:49 PM
Oda dosen't care, he finds it funny what other people name the characters.
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That"s what I was trying to say back in the old forums: Oda won"t care, period
Originally posted by Zephos@Mar 7 2005, 12:49 PM
Oda dosen't care, he finds it funny what other people name the characters.
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That"s what I was trying to say back in the old forums: Oda won"t care, period
FYI, Manga-ka doesn't really care about income from Jump magazine. Money coming from there barely covers the cost (hiring assistants, buying papers, etc). That's why when I was in Japan, I barely bought Jump magazine (and I didn't really care about supporting or not), instead, just read it in the bookstore. Yeap, they let you read in front of the bookstore, free of charge. Some people still buy though.
I suspect that's another reason Shuei-sha didn't really take action of other people scanning and posting them on the web. Even though it's illegal and bad, It's part good publicity to certain point. Just my guess.
Majority of incomes for Manga-ka are from the Tanko and whatever other people licensed from him; toys, games, etc. And probably foreign language licensing?
I also don't like it that VIZ never release anything special for the manga, they just release regular manga (except for that Yu-Gi-Oh! movie book <_< ).
We'll never see One Piece: The First Log, Colorwalks, Data books, etc in America because VIZ seem to just not care about releasing special books. Just another reason to import. :D
One Piece: The First Log is AWESOME drools and anyone who likes One Piece should get it. :D
Also, DirectManga is sad how they don't give author recognition, and they try to maximize profits with a large amount of advertisements and giving "special bonuses" to people who pay their monthly fee. <_<
The only thing I have to say about the Zoro/Zolo name change is short and sweet:
I am a bit disapointed (not a bit, more than that). It's times like these that inspire me to one day learn Japanese. Besides Cds. <_< Too bad, that's all i have to say. Too bad.
We'll probably never see the One Piece Kanzenban in America because VIZ seem to just not care about releasing special books. Just another reason to import.
One Piece already has kanzenban?
No, it doesn't.
Meh I wonder why I buy many of Viz's releases especially the Naruto one which is probably the most offensive to the creator. What with changing Neji into some freakish nerd and well the whole Art of the Valentine thing.
But still when it comes to One Piece I'm willing to support it. If only the manga. I don't support 4kids dub and to be honest I'd rather watch the subs than ever watch the dub. But I will support the manga because it's how I really got into One Piece and well I'd rather not have to read the crappy scanlations on that msn site.
Seriously I don't know why I can't even view Null's translations. They're in a different file format that my computer doesn't even recognize.
Anyways yes I will always support the manga even if he has been changed to Zolo. Because in that sense I'm giving back to the creator. Sure Viz is bastardizing Oda's work but in my mind I'm not supporting Viz; I'm supporting Oda.
VIZ changed Oda's work to go along with 4K!ds(the most hated company in anime), and 4K!ds butcher the animation and give characters cheese accents to make kiddies laugh.
Oh boy. Now you went and did it.
Can you tell me why you like OP? What reason do you like the story? Do you like the animation? Do you regularly download episodes in addition to reading the comic? Mind telling me why? Do you like it because of the story? Do you like it because of the colorful cast? The fantastic plot twists? The plethora of continuing gags? The artwork? The way Oda uses even cover pages to tell stories? The villains? The hidden figures? The special attacks almost always with some double-meaning? The flashbacks? The fights?
Or do you like it because you think it's not something for "kiddies"?
Because if you don't know that OP is one of the most widely watched animation by children in Japan, you're hopeless. Making kiddies laugh? Excuse me but isn't that the point? Oda isn't drawing the comic to make 'kiddies' cry is he? Isn't his purpose to entertain readers of all ages? Isn't Toei creating a series so that literally fans of all ages can enjoy the story without the often grotesque aspects of the comic? Isn't the ENTIRE idea to make an experience that does make people laugh and cry? And my goodness, I just realized you were talking 4Kids not Viz when making that comment! Could I ask what your opinion on the censoring of the Japanese OP by Toei is? Those same edits are made so that 'kiddies' can laugh. Is that okay because it's "Japanese"? You hold it to a double-standard?
People like you aren't fans. You love the series for the image it gives you, not for the story, no matter what form it takes bearable or unbearable. And since uncut DVDs are coming out sooner or later, this DOES mean that the series is being presented for all ages so all fans, or possible fans, can enjoy it, and in the end, that is all that matters.
ocean- I was gonna say don't be so hard on the reading Japanese thing but with that kind of dedication I guess you're right.
stephen- Not the name itself, but rather why you translated it as opposed to like Ao Kiji's name. Not a huge deal I just wondered why you chose that to translate.
As usual, I have been owned. Badly.
omae… You know, you're right as usual. I haven't shown the right kind of care to the series lately. I've just been a superficial fan.
I apologize to everyone for my actions... I don't ask for forgiveness, nor recognition... I just want to apologize for my superficiality.
I'll start buying the Viz translations, long-story-short, as well as the tanks.
Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Mar 8 2005, 07:09 AM
**> VIZ changed Oda's work to go along with 4K!ds(the most hated company in anime), and 4K!ds butcher the animation and give characters cheese accents to make kiddies laugh.Oh boy. Now you went and did it.
Because if you don't know that OP is one of the most widely watched animation by children in Japan, you're hopeless. Making kiddies laugh? Excuse me but isn't that the point? Oda isn't drawing the comic to make 'kiddies' cry is he? Isn't his purpose to entertain readers of all ages? Isn't Toei creating a series so that literally fans of all ages can enjoy the story without the often grotesque aspects of the comic? Isn't the ENTIRE idea to make an experience that does make people laugh and cry? And my goodness, I just realized you were talking 4Kids not Viz when making that comment! Could I ask what your opinion on the censoring of the Japanese OP by Toei is? Those same edits are made so that 'kiddies' can laugh. Is that okay because it's "Japanese"? You hold it to a double-standard?
People like you aren't fans. You love the series for the image it gives you, not for the story, no matter what form it takes bearable or unbearable. And since uncut DVDs are coming out sooner or later, this DOES mean that the series is being presented for all ages so all fans, or possible fans, can enjoy it, and in the end, that is all that matters.
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I'm sorry if you think I said that. But I didn't. Because of your obscene statements, I have the right to slam you back down into your pull-up diaper. But I won't.
I meant 4kids butcher the animation and give characters cheese accents to make American children and NO ONE ELSE laugh. I'm saying that 4kids made a version that ONLY children can enjoy. Have you ever seen the English dub?? And unless the uncut Dvds have a seriously good job done to them, I won't be purchasing them. If the uncut Dvds don't have the name Roronoa Zoro, then they aren't uncut.
What the heck are you talking about."You like One Piece for the image it gives you" And how can One Piece give an adult an "adult image"?? <_<
Just because it gives YOU an "adult feeling" doesn't mean that it gives anyone else one. The only people in my county that openly like One Piece are me and my brother. I get no pleasure feeling when I think that a character bleeding profusely is "mature".
And do you know why me and my brother are the only ones in our county that openly like it?? It's because of 4K!ds turning One Piece into a toddler's show in America. One Piece is a Japanese children's show, but the idea of a children's show in America and Japan are TOTALLY different.
Oda isn't drawing the comic to make 'kiddies' cry is he?
Are you trying to say that Eiichiro Oda can't be dramatic?? Eiichiro Oda himself has said he has been emotional while drawing dramatic scenes (like Usopp's pirates disbanding). So why shouldn't you?? I know I've (almost, heh heh) cried at certain parts of the series ,and I am sure I will in the future.
Now about the children thing:
I never said that One Piece could not be enjoyed by children, I merely said that 4K!ds are ruining the series by targeting it ONLY for young children. I wouldn't complain about it if I didn't want to buy it. Children can like One Piece and it does not bother me at all. In fact, I support that. One Piece is one of the greatest shows/manga ever made, and a great reason for this is because it has no age limit. Having children be able to watch it is great because it is such a good show for inspiration that could change the child's life.
Can you tell me why you like OP? What reason do you like the story? Do you like the animation? Do you regularly download episodes in addition to reading the comic? Mind telling me why? Do you like it because of the story? Do you like it because of the colorful cast? The fantastic plot twists? The plethora of continuing gags? The artwork? The way Oda uses even cover pages to tell stories? The villains? The hidden figures? The special attacks almost always with some double-meaning? The flashbacks? The fights?
Now I'll answer this.
One reason I LOVE One Piece is because the story is HUGE. I like the animation, it's great. I do not regularly download episodes, that's illegal, I BUY the Japanese dvds for $45 apiece. I read the Japanese Tanks(currently ten are being shipped to my house) I love the One Piece story, it keeps me reading. I like all of the cast on One Piece, Luffy's crew is almost perfect. The plot twists aren't what make me read/watch the series, but they are very interesting when they happen. The plethora of continuing gags done by (mostly) Usopp make me laugh out load. The artwork is, to me, unique ,and I consider it the best type of art style that has ever been drawn.
The cover pages having their own "mini-arcs" is a great thing because you can know what's going on with characters you liked from previous arcs. The villains, although not as good as Luffy's crew, are good at being villains (I don't know about you, but I don't consider Buggy as a villain, c'mon he's just doing what pirates do.) Hidden figures are neat when you spot them out during a reread of the arc. The flashbacks are very enjoyable when it is about a character that I like. The fights are amazing, personally I like the build-up around fights more than I do the fights themselves. I absolutely LOVE One Piece. And I hate what 4K!ds are doing with it. Just take a stop by 4K!ds official dub discussion.
Without Arlong Park, people like Oceanizer, and Kaizoku Fansubs, One Piece fans would be almost nonexistant in America. So thank Arlong Park for people that you can "chat" with, thank Kaizoku fansubs for letting you watch the anime at no cost, and thank Oceanizer for getting RAW scans and scripts up ASAP. Don't tell me that I think that One Piece is adult material when I never stated that. (Japanese)One Piece can be enjoyed by all peoples, regardless of age. That's one reason it's so good.
What I am trying to say is that if no one that reads this understands what I am trying to say then know this; I love One Piece for what it is. My favorite character is Zoro, so I cannot buy the VIZ version unless they fix his name. Understood??
… "Go change your diaper"? Gawd, omae's gonna ream your ass.
Originally posted by Roronoa Zoro@Mar 8 2005, 10:32 AM
Without Arlong Park, Oceanizer, and Kaizoku Fansubs, One Piece fans would be almost nonexistant in America.
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Okay, now this discussion is veering into DBZOA territory.
You just got pwned, omae.
And you might as well watch the 4K!ds dub, only REAL One Piece fans watch 4K!ds TV. lol <_< Yeah right. Thanks to 4K!ds any respect for anime has been flushed down the toilet. I mean really how can anyone take any anime seriously when it's THAT butchered and the voices are THAT bad?? FUNimation should've got it.
omae, you remind me of a kid on 4K!ds TV's message board, who said,
My brother and his friends watch this show every week on their computer. and i seen most of the episodes. It is really cool and action packed and it reminds of shaman king but without tournament story. Now i ask my brother when shaman king is going to finish and he said to me it only has alittle left. so I was wondering if anyone esle heard of it and wouldn't be cool to have it on with One piece Bleach Bleach Bleach Bleach I hope this is the series that replaces Shaman King! 4kids TV when shaman king is done Please get Bleach to fill the void please! with sugar on top! Lauren(Admin) If your reading this please try to get Bleach on the air Please tell 4Kids to look into it is a really good show which us kids will surely like watching! If you read this post a reply after Please Lauren with sugar on Top! My brother and his friends watch this show every week on their computer. and i seen most of the episodes. It is really cool and action packed and it reminds of shaman king but without tournament story. Now i ask my brother when shaman king is going to finish and he said to me it only has alittle left. so I was wondering if anyone esle heard of it and wouldn't be cool to have it on with One piece Bleach Bleach Bleach Bleach I hope this is the series that replaces Shaman King! 4kids TV when shaman king is done Please get Bleach to fill the void please! with sugar on top! Lauren(Admin) If your reading this please try to get Bleach on the air Please tell 4Kids to look into it is a really good show which us kids will surely like watching! If you read this post a reply after Please Lauren with sugar on Top!
Isn't these Forums for Kids you sound much Older than a kid, You talk like my brother who is Blinded by how a series is changed for TV. ONe piece is in Shonen jump and thats a kids Magazine Japan has different standards you anime fans sure aren't using your noggings. I might be young but I know my stuff! And how do you know one piece is doing bad did some one at 4kids tell you that…. no didn't think so. I like 4kids their cool and nice and they do Pokemon, Yugioh, Shaman King, One Piece, and I hope they get Bleach.
Bleach is not on Tv in america right now it is on in Japan. It is a action pack story that follows a 15 year old boy who is giving the power of a soul reaper, even though himself he has powers to see ghost he takes up the duty to fight evil hollows(Spirits) that cause harm. He has wicked powers and strength his name is Ichigo and he's awsome. If you ever get to watch it you'll fall inlove with it! I love shaman King but when shaman King is done I hope this is the series that is put on to replace it!
Stuff like this makes me sick. << 4K!ds could never do a respectable Bleach. <<
And a Reply back by someone else on the 4K!ds TV boards,
If One Piece is for little kids then why is Shonen Jump rated T for Teen. Bleach should be on Cartoon Network. The English One Piece dub is horrible.
I like how he asks omae to "change his diaper," when he's being more childish.
I wish people would learn that slapping a word like PWNED or U GOT SERVD@!2!122 on a lame picture doesn't make it automatically funny.
omae… You know, you're right as usual. I haven't shown the right kind of care to the series lately. I've just been a superficial fan.
Ahem, Go, you might take heart in the fact that not only was I not referring to you, but I haven't read your posts in this topic…
I'll start buying the Viz translations, long-story-short, as well as the tanks.
When did I say you should buy Viz? In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, I am indeed the person in this same thread, or one similar to it, took the time to write out the easy and simple steps to beat the MAN (viz) by not buying the comic. I know I sure as hell don't. But that's no reason to bitch and moan about it incessantly. Like that ever changed anything. In my humble opinion, the majority of what Viz puts out is unfortunately garbage with a few shining gems hidden amongst the rubble. But you won't find me giving up my cash for their product.
On the other side, I'm not going to whine about a name change because as far as I can see from my dorm room, the polar ice caps haven't melted, aliens haven't invaded, and nukes aren't flying. That aside, I fully realize that there are people who will enjoy the product and as long as they enjoy it, that's all that matters. That is the point right? Someone doesn't have to like the series for the same reason you do, do they?
I meant 4kids butcher the animation and give characters cheese accents to make American children and NO ONE ELSE laugh. I'm saying that 4kids made a version that ONLY children can enjoy. Have you ever seen the English dub??
….so? Um...I'm sorry but, what was wrong with that again? Children watching a show and laughing? Forgive my ignorance but isn't that a good thing? Now, I probably shouldn't assume that you haven't lived in Japan (like ocean or myself or a few other members on the board who I'm sure by no coincidence seem to agree with me) but I will anyway. And OP is not exactly what one sees normal single men or women sitting down to watch on Sunday nights or making sure to record. In my experience with over 25 host families, not to mention countless trips to houses of my friends, the only adults watching One Piece were doing so because:
A. I was watching it while they happened to be in the room.
B. They have toddlers and grade-schoolers who adore it.
And unless the uncut Dvds have a seriously good job done to them, I won't be purchasing them. If the uncut Dvds don't have the name Roronoa Zoro, then they aren't uncut.
See, this dude read my simple steps on how to Screw the MAN (Viz)
What the heck are you talking about."You like One Piece for the image it gives you" And how can One Piece give an adult an "adult image"??
Just because it gives YOU an "adult feeling" doesn't mean that it gives anyone else one.
What the heck I'm talking about is that reading/watching OP probably gives you the feeling that it is some high class super sophisticated series that is appropriate for Japanese children by their standards, but it's cool for them to like it since they're Japanese and have "better standards". I never said it gave me any image of the sort, but someone who worries about "kiddies" liking the show, apparently is quite frightened of being associated with such a group. Don't worry, it's common among US Japanese animation fans.
The only people in my county that openly like One Piece are me and my brother. I get no pleasure feeling when I think that a character bleeding profusely is "mature".
Really? So then why do you have a problem with "kiddies" enjoying the show? And since when are you the only ones that openly like OP? Half the people on this forum who come from America are from/in the most badass state in the USA (NJ) and we openly think OP rocks and display it to no end.
And do you know why me and my brother are the only ones in our county that openly like it?? It's because of 4K!ds turning One Piece into a toddler's show in America. One Piece is a Japanese children's show, but the idea of a children's show in America and Japan are TOTALLY different.
So what you're saying is, OP isn't a good enough story without the violence and voices? Is that the kind of faith you have in the series? So what's wrong with it being a children show here? You have no problem with it being a children's cartoon there. If it is indeed going after the same target audience as it is in Japan, why shouldn't it be altered to fit that group? Again, what the hell does any of this mean to you? Why should it affect your stance? That's why I say you are indeed a superficial fan. You love the show for the image. What difference does it make if "kiddies" watch it. Are you afraid of being put in that group yourself? Sounds like someone doesn't know how to carry his "ship". Instead of whining and denying the show, friggen' face it and appreciate it. You don't have to buy it or watch it. In fact, if you hate it so much, ignore it just the same as I do.
Are you trying to say that Eiichiro Oda can't be dramatic?? Eiichiro Oda himself has said he has been emotional while drawing dramatic scenes (like Usopp's pirates disbanding). So why shouldn't you??
You obviously missunderstood my point, which is cool because I do that a lot too (winks at Mog and Cap'n) Oda isn't drawing the comic to make people sad is he? The purpose of OP is friendship and reaching for goals. There are hard times in that but countless smiles along the way. If kids laugh at the piece and find it amusing, then hasn't it been a success?
I merely said that 4K!ds are ruining the series by targeting it ONLY for young children.
Yeah um, DVDs. Remember those?
The important thing here today folks, is that Roronoa learned how to run from his problems, and not admit to facing them. There's a number of things I COULD say at this junction, but there's no time for that as I have to go change my daiper.
That's what you call owning.
okay, you guys might wanna ease up on bashing each other. calling names and shit like that while discussing VIZ is no longer what i call a healthy discussion.
if all this thread does is promoting negativity, i'd rather have it closed.
Yeah I know it seems bad. I'm just trying to be positive against all the Viz and 4Kids hate-orgies. Don't worry though, he put me on ignore so even if he wanted to invite me to change my daipers again, he wouldn't be able to tell I read it. :)
It was too long of reading in the stupid brain of me in the morning, but let me reply you on this point:
If the uncut Dvds don't have the name Roronoa Zoro, then they aren't uncut.
What if you think of it as Oda intended to spell it with R and pronounce with L? L as in Japanese L.
I have English name converted into Japanese as a birth name. Let's say my name is Robert (ロバート). My friends in Japanese calls me Lobert as well as I believed it should be pronounced as Lobert. When I came to the States, people call me Lobert, but I think it's wrong. Even if my name spells Robert (or in Japanese way, Robaato), I still want people to call me Lobert, Lobaato.
Same thing to Zoro. You're mainly talking about Anime, so let me talk in the Anime stand point, too. What if Oda intended that way? Just spell it as Zoro but pronounce as Zolo. And American company just made it spell Zolo so that English speaking people won't be confused.
It's Oda world. Oda can decide everything. (Like how he did on Marine ranks.) You never know Oda's intention unless you asked him before. Go ahead and write a letter to Oda and confirm with him. If he says it should be pronounced with "R" instead of "L", then I'll shut up. Otherwise, you're just talking without any proof.
Originally posted by Cap'n Carter@Mar 8 2005, 10:54 AM
**I like how he asks omae to "change his diaper," when he's being more childish.I wish people would learn that slapping a word like PWNED or U GOT SERVD@!2!122 on a lame picture doesn't make it automatically funny.
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Yeah, I never understood that mentality; if you're going to post a picture, then why not use a picture tailored to the situation?
Whether it's something that has been suitably cropped, or just reworded.
That picture of Wapol getting creamed by Luffy would be awesome for a OP owned :lol:
i think buggy getting kicked on the crotch would do better.
Originally posted by e1n@Mar 8 2005, 01:56 PM
i think buggy getting kicked on the crotch would do better.
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Ener taking that shot to the gut from Luffy works too. If only because of the expression on his face.
Same for Tom and Spandam; I'd say Franky, but you can't see Spandam's face in that one.
One more I like is Teach squashing Sarquiss, especially the fact that he tells him to shut up.
– omae --
Oh. I see. :lol:
Yes, Viz can do a poor job at times. Hell, they suck a lot of the time. But your post prompted me to actually think, and I came to the conclusion that I should support Oda as much as possible - even if only a small portion of the money goes to Oda, it's still going to Oda in some way, right? Right... ? I hope I'm somewhere near right. >_<
I do plan on buying the tanks first... If that means anything. That is, if I ever manage to get a JOB. <_< THEN comes the Viz volumes, if I can hold together enough spare money to get 'em.
Anyway! I guess maybe I should've looked before I leapt out into the open like that. I'm impulsive like that.
... And, so this isn't considered spam: The "Zolo" change is stupid, yes. It was pointless, yes. But it can be ignored, if you just let your mind soothe. Or something like that, anyway. I suck at words.
I don't mean to offend you,omae, I just want to point out that I do not consider One Piece a complex mixture of adult material like you said I do ,and I don't consider it to make me feel mature. If you want to think that One Piece makes me appear mature to you, that's okay. One Piece can be enjoyed by all peoples, regardless of age. That's what makes it so good.
So far, 4K!ds have only targeted children with their version of One Piece. Now, let me say this, if 4K!ds release a proper version that can be enjoyed by everyone, then they go off of my hate list, until then they remain on there.
Now, though you won't admit it, I never once said that "kiddies" can't/shouldn't watch One Piece, yet you keep saying otherwise. Seems you must not like the term "kiddies". (must hit to close to home)
And about me saying that no one likes One Piece in America, well, I didn't. If you would have read my post properly you would have seen that I said that no one likes One Piece in my county, not country.
**There's a number of things I COULD say at this junction, but there's no time for that as I have to go change my daiper.
That's what you call owning.**
I never said that I owned you, omae, so it seems that you think this is some sort of competition. Arguing/cussing at someone over the internet is pointless, and is considered being cantankerous, remember that.
However, I will still keep you on my blocked users list because your signature is offensive to me. Talking about people's moms and balls is very immature and, in my county(read it this time), is considered low-life third-grade material. <_<
Originally posted by Roronoa Zoro@Mar 8 2005, 03:11 PM
However, I will still keep you on my blocked users list because your signature is offensive to me. Talking about people's moms and balls is very immature and, in my county(read it this time), is considered low-life third-grade material. <_<
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He quoted himself.
His name translates out to "Your Mother".
Originally posted by Roronoa Zoro@Mar 8 2005, 03:11 PM
However, I will still keep you on my blocked users list because your signature is offensive to me. Talking about people's moms and balls is very immature and, in my county(read it this time), is considered low-life third-grade material. <_<
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Where do you live?
South Utah?
You should add me anyway, I'm full of fun jokes about testicles and maternal figures.
P.S: My cats just ran in the room, and the white one beat up the fuzzy one. I love that cat.
The "Zolo" change is stupid, yes. It was pointless, yes. But it can be ignored, if you just let your mind soothe.
In a thesis I couldn't have said it better.
See. This is why I write crap like I do even when I'm supposed to be studying for a practical on a sheep brain ^O^ If I can help one person to realize Zoro-Zolo isn't the end of the universe or that it doesn't matter what 4Kids does so long as it:
A. Makes people happy
B. Oda isn't furious
C. Provides a medium for all fans
That makes it all worth while.
And even if it kept out all of those, it's still no reason to complain because as any respectable Japanese animation/manga fan knows, that shyt happens and will happen. But so long as we have access to the original and we as fans know what the original is it really, really doesn't matter one bit.
I don't mean to offend you,omae, I just want to point out that I do not consider One Piece a complex mixture of adult material like you said I do ,and I don't consider it to make me feel mature. If you want to think that One Piece makes me appear mature to you, that's okay. One Piece can be enjoyed by all peoples, regardless of age. That's what makes it so good.
The Japanese OP does the same thing. They just don't happen to have a problem with most guns or some blood. Big deal. They're getting more and more like America with their standards anyway. Compare some of the animations edits in Japanese OP to early Japanese Dragon Ball and you'll be mystified. And regardless of which society has 'better' standards, that still is no reason to hate the series because it makes "kiddies" happy. So what? You're getting uncut DVDs anyway so honestly what difference does it make? And let us assume the DVDs use "Zolo". Yeah it's dumb as hell and if you don't wanna support them that's your perrogative. I know I won't be buying any, but there's no need for the constant slams and attacks on 4Kids or Viz. I don't understand the mentality behind it, as if screaming loud enough will change things. Majority of the posters here I will admit are really much better than 95% of the Japanese animation fans in the US screaming bloody murder over cut animation and that's in no small part to the enlightenment of a few members here early on that worked very hard to make sure this place didn't turn into a hate fest. Now it would be the last thing in the world for me to quelch any opinion because an opinion is your own and as long as it isn't hurting anyone, you can hold it, but there comes a time when the same stuff over and over and the insults and the slings and the obnoxious hatred towards these companies for just trying to do business gets to be absurd.
Now, though you won't admit it, I never once said that "kiddies" can't/shouldn't watch One Piece, yet you keep saying otherwise. Seems you must not like the term "kiddies". (must hit to close to home)
I like to quote people. I really hate putting words into other people's mouths. And you said "kiddies". Now you never said in a single sentence that it was wrong for "kiddies" to watch it. But by using a slang for children, might I ask exactly what were you trying to imply? And furthermore, if you truly didn't see any fault in their watching it, why did you mention such a point? Also, since you're intent on slinging insults, I'll just let them pass without mention because I think they usually speak for themselves with respect to who has the advantage in a discussion.
And about me saying that no one likes One Piece in America, well, I didn't. If you would have read my post properly you would have seen that I said that no one likes One Piece in my county, not country.
Please do forgive me, my mistake. But how does that change anything? Do you need people to like OP so you can too? Are you that insecure about your fandom?
I never said that I owned you, omae, so it seems that you think this is some sort of competition.
Would you be so kind as to refer to where I said I was responding to your post? I like to post quotes and replies to them. Since there was much discussion on the topic of owning, which I consider absurd, I figured I'd join in the play. That was actually a tongue-in-cheek remark in reply to Cap'n's post. But I'm just curious…didn't you block me so you could never read my...what was that again? Sorry, I went back to quote your words on how you said you blocked me so you didn't have to read my "childish rants" (was it?) ever again but you appeared to have removed those quotes. :lol:
Talking about people's moms and balls is very immature and, in my county(read it this time), is considered low-life third-grade material.
Hmmm, I'm going to assume you mean the quote I took from my post in Chapter 357 regarding the topic of Franky's badass-ness in taking on a train with his bare hands. You know, "Omae no Kaasan" means "Your Mom" in Japanese, so I was simply quoting myself as Katana pointed out. Peace bro, I know you'll read this.
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Roronoa Zoro, if you're concerned about it so much, why don't you just make a website, even a free geocities host would do (I hope), gather people, and complain to VIZ? It's been a while already since the name change, but I don't think I've ever seen one done for One Piece. At least I don't think it was mentioned in this forum. All I saw was all those complainments (sp?) thread on each forums, separately.
Doing a petition rather than writing letter individually would be more effective.
I remember when Shaman King was dropped by Shounen Jump, people made petition. I don't know what happened afterwards, but at least they did something.
Now as I mentioned couple pages back, Tenjo Tenge fans did same thing as well. You can see it here: http://digitalsin.bebopboard.net/index2.html. I don't think they're doing petition for that one, but at least they have unified action for what to do.
Don't you think that's more effective to get VIZ change their mind or get proper "public" explanation than you complain here or individually getting random replies from VIZ?
By the way, how many people do you have in your county? You must be really famous, you know all the people's preferences o.o!
_Originally posted by Buccaneer+Mar 7 2005, 10:25 PM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Mar 7 2005, 10:25 PM)
We'll probably never see the One Piece Kanzenban in America because VIZ seem to just not care about releasing special books. Just another reason to import.
One Piece already has kanzenban?
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No, it doesn't.
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Oh, then I guess he meant tankoban. Like someone else said before, a translating company releasing untranslated versions of a product for the few people who should already have gotten them (since, y'know, people that buy translated manga most likely aren't interested in untranslated) is a very, very lame idea.
I'm kinda surprised we're still arguing about this. o.o
It's the same thing over and over.
"One letter doesn't make a damn bit of difference!"
"It's not about the letter! It's about what other edits they're making!"
"But oda doesn't care about it!"
and so on and so forth.
One would think that we would all get tired of talking about the same thing and just do something else. >_>
I went away and came back :P It's Tuesday, I need to distract myself from thinking about new chapter…
At least FUNimation don't change main characters names. (don't say Krillin because Ocean did that). Thank heavens FUNimation and ADV give you the option to choose between Japanese and English audio so that you can watch DB/DBZ/DBGT and Evangelion subbed in Japanese if you don't like the added in language (Evangelion) or bad BGM (DBZ/GT) of the English dubs . FUNimation and ADV at least know who the target audience for anime in America is ( Teens, College Students and Adults) unlike 4Kids single digit age group audience they love so much. When Al Kahn sees that One Piece is making him lose his beloved "green stuff" then he'll show he has part of a brain and sell it to FUNimation for a discount price. :D Kahn already curses the day he bought Shaman King. :lol:
Originally posted by Viz Hater@Mar 8 2005, 06:30 PM
At least FUNimation don't change main characters names. (don't say Krillin because Ocean did that).
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His Japanese name is pretty much that. Kuririn even sounds like "Krillin" sometimes.
However, the chestnut joke is lost.
Originally posted by Viz Hater@Mar 8 2005, 07:30 PM
At least FUNimation don't change main characters names. (don't say Krillin because Ocean did that).
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That had a lot to do with that Krillen hat he used to wear; same for Buruma wearing a Bulma shirt.
Originally posted by RoboBlue@Mar 8 2005, 05:10 PM
I'm kinda surprised we're still arguing about this.
It's the same thing over and over.
"One letter doesn't make a damn bit of difference!"
"It's not about the letter! It's about what other edits they're making!"
"But oda doesn't care about it!"
and so on and so forth.
One would think that we would all get tired of talking about the same thing and just do something else.
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Exactly, people just need to decide for themselves whether or not they will boycott Viz, buy from Viz, or import the Japanese tanks. You shouldn't fill a thread up with arguing (unless that's the topic of course. lol ).
To Oceanizer:
By the way, how many people do you have in your county? You must be really famous, you know all the people's preferences o.o!
I'm slightly exaggerating(you probably know that :lol: ). What I mean is that I've never seen anyone in my area that likes One Piece (other than my family). Everyone I talk to about it either doesn't know what it is :blink: ,or they think it's a stupid show because it airs on 4K!ds TV. Even the manga at my local Borders just sits there as a decoration. No one buys it, and (my) Borders doesn't order new copies of old volumes. It's sad to think that some people have this image of One Piece because of 4K!ds. If only someone else would dub/broadcast it.
Nonetheless, I will continue watching/buying/liking One Piece(non-4Kids). I don't care if anyone in my area likes it, because I do like One Piece (and that's what matters). At least I have one relative, who lives with me, that I can enjoy One Piece with. :D
As a last note, omae said that I might be insecure with my One Piece fandom if I am alone. Well, I must admit, it is easier to like something when someone else enjoys it with you. My friend and I like One Piece equally and have absolutely no thoughts of losing "fandom". No matter what 4K!ds do with their (current) One Piece, it won't affect how I like One Piece, but unfortunately, it will affect how people view us OP fans in America. :unsure:
Can't wait until the next chapter is up. Will you be doing it, Oceanizer??
If so, when will it surface?? :D
_Originally posted by KatanaJon+Mar 8 2005, 03:37 PM–>QUOTE(KatanaJon @ Mar 8 2005, 03:37 PM)His Japanese name is pretty much that. Kuririn even sounds like "Krillin" sometimes.
However, the chestnut joke is lost.
[snapback]12808[/snapback]Weird, I never thought of chestnut joke until you mention it now ^^; I need to pay attention more next time.
@Mar 8 2005, 04:48 PM
Exactly, people just need to decide for themselves whether or not they will boycott Viz, buy from Viz, or import the Japanese tanks. You shouldn't fill a thread up with arguing (unless that's the topic of course. lol )._
_I thought you're the only one not deciding >.>; You kept bitching at VIZ o.o
I'm slightly exaggerating(you probably know that :lol: ). What I mean is that I've never seen anyone in my area that likes One Piece (other than my family). Everyone I talk to about it either doesn't know what it is :blink: ,or they think it's a stupid show because it airs on 4K!ds TV. Even the manga at my local Borders just sits there as a decoration. No one buys it, and (my) Borders doesn't order new copies of old volumes. It's sad to think that some people have this image of One Piece because of 4K!ds. If only someone else would dub/broadcast it.
Same here, I live in San Jose, California, with large population of Asian, and most of my friends are Asian, too. Some of them are (I say) hard core anime freaks. They like Eva or Cowboy Bepop or that kinda thing. Still I don't think any of them watched nor read One Piece >.>; I went on trip with them once and I was watching One Piece in the morning, but I was the only one watching it :/ You're not the only one.
Can't wait until the next chapter is up. Will you be doing it, Oceanizer??
If so, when will it surface?? :D
I got quick moji-bare, done by same guy as past several weeks, but I'm not sharing since Admin didn't like it :/_
Even the manga at my local Borders just sits there as a decoration.
That's the same as where I live!! When I go to my local huge mall, the VIZ One Piece manga just sits and sits gathering dust.
Although Rurouni Kenshin used to sell a lot (my local Borders ordered around 35 new Rurouni Kenshin's every month) they used to sell around 30 of them, but now they only sell about 8 or 9. Which is sad, because Kenshin is one of VIZ's only really good translations. (It hasn't had any picture edits, I think) So VIZ's Rurouni Kenshin is sinking alot in my area. That is why I think Kenshin isn't America's #1 manga anymore. (I believe TOKYOPOP's D.N.Angel is currently #1 on the charts) As for VIZ's other Jump manga series, they don't sell at all. And if they do sell, they sell in very, and I mean VERY small portions nowadays. VIZ's Jump manga used to sell alot before they started editing. :huh: So, I suppose the people heard that the manga was edited and stopped buying anything by VIZ. Who wants to buy edited manga?? :huh: I sure don't. In my area I know absolutely no one who likes One Piece. :(
For some reason, Manga just doesn't seem to hold as many American people's attention as anime. I personally prefer manga over anime, and I view anime as a compliment to the original manga. :D
And as for the Krillin/Kuririn thing, if you want his real name just watch FUNimation's DragonBall in Japanese, it's alot better anyway. Alot of the naked Goku humor is lost in English. Also, I even knew about the Kuririn/Chestnut joke thing. :P
As a last note, omae said that I might be insecure with my One Piece fandom if I am alone. Well, I must admit, it is easier to like something when someone else enjoys it with you. My friend and I like One Piece equally and have absolutely no thoughts of losing "fandom". No matter what 4K!ds do with their (current) One Piece, it won't affect how I like One Piece, but unfortunately, it will affect how people view us OP fans in America.
I knew you'd read it :) And you have brought to light the entire point:
If you really like the series it doesn't matter how people view OP fans in America. And that's why I said you care about what image people have of you just for being into it. You've gone and seen the light on your own Eva ending with applause
unlike 4Kids single digit age group audience they love so much.
sigh someday you'll grow up, look back on your attitude (probablly when you have to work for a living) and laaaaaaaaaaaugh
OP rocks, I don't care what anyone else thinks. And the other half of this is, don't flatter yourself, I doubt that many people even know what One Piece is. I'm not seeing any anti-OP crap on the Net or even ANY of the rash beatings Pokemon got.
In the end, no one cares. Neither should you. Now off to Xenosaga 2
sigh someday you'll grow up, look back on your attitude (probablly when you have to work for a living) and laaaaaaaaaaaugh
Listen up boy, Like most 20 year olds I have a job and a life. Those who accuse others of "needing to grow up" ( trouble causing kids like you) always do so as an act of showing how unhappy they are with their own life. If you have nothing to do but try and be a bastard, then we at Arlong Park would like if you would leave our "Happy place" and join the Narutards, or something of that manner. So please stop with the childish troublecausing crap before you anger the mods. By your actions today, you have given me the idea that everytime someone post, you quote them and try to cause trouble. Get over this childish behavior and lets all do what AP is intended for…...talk about One Piece and other things.
Thank you for your expected cooperation. :D
No way! Omae is one of the more interesting members around here.
It wouldn't be a happy place without pizazz.
You'll be seeing more and more rough and tough guys now that Shonen Anime closed. We migrate!
_Originally posted by Viz Hater+Mar 8 2005, 09:36 PM–>QUOTE(Viz Hater @ Mar 8 2005, 09:36 PM)Listen up boy, Like most 20 year olds I have a job and a life. Those who accuse others of "needing to grow up" ( trouble causing kids like you)
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@Mar 8 2005, 10:02 PM
You'll be seeing more and more rough and tough guys now that Shonen Anime closed. We migrate!
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Aw, dammit….
OP rocks, I don't care what anyone else thinks. And the other half of this is, don't flatter yourself, I doubt that many people even know what One Piece is. I'm not seeing any anti-OP crap on the Net or even ANY of the rash beatings Pokemon got.
Hm… I hadn't even thought of that. One Piece simply isn't popular enough to get the negative recognition we all fear. However... that could change when it goes on toonami, for both good and bad.
_Originally posted by Nami+Mar 8 2005, 05:29 PM–>QUOTE(Nami @ Mar 8 2005, 05:29 PM)__And as for the Krillin/Kuririn thing, if you want his real name just watch FUNimation's DragonBall in Japanese, it's alot better anyway. Alot of the naked Goku humor is lost in English. Also, I even knew about the Kuririn/Chestnut joke thing. :P
[snapback]12868[/snapback]That's why it's weird, cause I watched Dragon Ball anime and read the Manga, too. Probably because for most of Japanese native speakers, Kuririn's name reminds of something round (kuri-kuri-to-shita), and not chestnut.
Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 8 2005, 07:06 PM
Listen up boy, Like most 20 year olds I have a job and a life. Those who accuse others of "needing to grow up" ( trouble causing kids like you)
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"Kid"? omae's like, 30. o_0What!? omae's 30!?!? I thought he is in his early 20s.
But for real, I don't think age matters. I know a guy who is … 14? 15? and really mature, or some mid-20s or older that are behaving like teens. I myself acted like teens up to age 23 or so. I really want to erase my history... >_/me pats around kids! :DOh geez, it's so off topic. I need a new chapter so that I stop checking this thread._
I just made up that age, but yeah, I agree with what you're saying, especially with your last sentence. :P
_Originally posted by Buccaneer+Mar 8 2005, 10:06 PM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Mar 8 2005, 10:06 PM)
Originally posted by Viz Hater@Mar 8 2005, 09:36 PM
Listen up boy, Like most 20 year olds I have a job and a life. Those who accuse others of "needing to grow up" ( trouble causing kids like you)
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@Mar 8 2005, 10:02 PM
You'll be seeing more and more rough and tough guys now that Shonen Anime closed. We migrate!
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_Aw, dammit….
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Yep….Meet the Pessimists 2 is coming to an Arlong Park near you._
Originally posted by RoboBlue@Mar 8 2005, 07:08 PM
**> OP rocks, I don't care what anyone else thinks. And the other half of this is, don't flatter yourself, I doubt that many people even know what One Piece is. I'm not seeing any anti-OP crap on the Net or even ANY of the rash beatings Pokemon got.Hm… I hadn't even thought of that. One Piece simply isn't popular enough to get the negative recognition we all fear. However... that could change when it goes on toonami, for both good and bad.
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I always found that really weird about One Piece. You'd think the Amerotaku over here would be going batshit for the most popular thing in Japan, but… :lol:
and omae is 30? He can't be thirty. He's too hot to be thirty just yet :lol:
Listen up boy, Like most 20 year olds I have a job and a life. Those who accuse others of "needing to grow up" ( trouble causing kids like you) always do so as an act of showing how unhappy they are with their own life.
Wait, where did I put anything about how unhappy I am with my life in this thread? In fact, I'm pretty damn happy with my life ^o^ Think about what you're doing. You're making the company into a demon for trying to do business. As if it were such an awful thing. Like they're not people. I used to pull the SAME attitude when I first got into Dragon Ball. I made the same attitudes, pulled the same arguments, and even some of the same rips on the company. And now I can see what a stupid piece of crap I was. Now I'm just a stupid piece of crap for trying to knock some sense into people which works out every once and a while.
If you have nothing to do but try and be a bastard, then we at Arlong Park would like if you would leave our "Happy place" and join the Narutards, or something of that manner. So please stop with the childish troublecausing crap before you anger the mods.
Um….you know I'm friends with some of the Admins don't you -_- I'm not trying to wave a flag of invincibility but I also wouldn't expect you to hold anything over my head. This is a forum. You say hateful comments all the time and get away with it. Why shouldn't I be able to comment on it without even saying anything hateful. Maybe I curse a bit but I'm not cursing at you or demeaning you with it. I'm not low enough to actually call anyone a Narutard. Every Japanese animation fan deserves respect no matter what their attitude. I even respect you. What I disagree with is this unexplainable and unecessary pitiful rage and burning hatred towards some companies that are just doing work. I mean look at yourself. Have you sat back and read your posts and ever thought:
"I think I was able to clearly convey this point in a mature fashion while expressing what I needed and hopefully some people will take what I have to say to heart."
Most of what I've seen is along the lines of:
'OH OH What's next!? Mihawk is gonna try to prick 'Zolo' with his feather? Ooooh! Don't hurt me'
Now I didn't use quotes because I don't have the quotes on hand but something just like that was in a thread the other day and I was just reading it in shock.
Furthermore, if I were to get kicked off, I suppose I would go on living.... somehow. I've never really felt connected to any forum and feel no need to stick around here either. It is damn interesting but a forum and the Internet for that matter are not life. ;)
**By your actions today, you have given me the idea that everytime someone post, you quote them and try to cause trouble. Get over this childish behavior and lets all do what AP is intended for…...talk about One Piece and other things. **
…I don't have anything to say, I figured I'd just quote you and try to get you in trouble....
just kiddin'. What childish behavior? Exchanging my ideas in a place meant for exchanging ideas? And for the record, this IS about OP, let us not forget that. I'm not here to make you stop your hate mantras, but at least try to act civil about them and maybe someone not already inducted in the church of Viz Sucks Saints will listen to you. It's as if someone who has an opinion different than supreme loathe for Viz is instantly breaking forum rules.
Thank you for your expected cooperation. :D
Thanks for reading what I have to say :D
As for my age, I'm 13.
Wait that's my shoe size.
He's too hot to be thirty just yet
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People has picked up fights with Mom more often than usually -_-.
Vizy, I can't really symphatize your hate toward the publisher. I'm sure they're doing their best to sell the series and they wouldn't jeopardize the sales just to irritate the OP fandom.
One Piece is about to get published in here where I live and even though I probably won't buy the books, I had them in Japanese already, I'm still more than happy about the news. If there will be changes I don't care (and changes aren't always bad!). For at least I'll be able to amaze my little eight year old cousins with my OP collection.
I'm not low enough to actually call anyone a Narutard. Every Japanese animation fan deserves respect no matter what their attitude.
Well almost every Japanese animation fan deserves some sort of respect. (Think about the people that just buy hentai….disgusting) I don't consider them Anime fans ,and do not have any respect for that hobby(hentai, that is).
"I think I was able to clearly convey this point in a mature fashion while expressing what I needed and hopefully some people will take what I have to say to heart."
That's exactly what I think when I proof (re)read one of my posts. I also try to check grammar. :huh:
Furthermore, if I were to get kicked off, I suppose I would go on living…. somehow. I've never really felt connected to any forum and feel no need to stick around here either. It is interesting, but a forum and the Internet for that matter are not life. ;) ]
Of course you would go on living. People should never feel forced to go onto a forum and yack at people. If someone really likes doing something, he/she shouldn't feel forced to do it, he/she should do it through his/her own desire, not because he/she feels someone/something is forcing him/her to do it. (man, its hard to not be a sexist in writing :lol: )
I agree with you completely, a forum and the internet are definitely not life.
They are just ways of expressing ourselves and finding information across country/states with minimal effort. Fun, of course, but they shouldn't be your life.
I'm sure glad we don't argue like we did, omae. It's good to "see the light" and stop arguing. If I'm a One Piece fan and you are as well, then there is no need for us to argue(unless we are comparing characters :P )
Well, let's get back on topic:
One Piece manga good. :lol:
Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Mar 9 2005, 03:07 AM
**'OH OH What's next!? Mihawk is gonna try to prick 'Zolo' with his feather? Ooooh! Don't hurt me'Now I didn't use quotes because I don't have the quotes on hand but something just like that was in a thread the other day and I was just reading it in shock.
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That was a joke, which anybody should have noticed when I started off by suggesting that Mihawk using a finger to fight Zoro was too dangerous as a kid might poke their eye out; if nothing else, it should have become blatantly obvious that I wasn't serious when I started talking about it being a quill and the scar was drawn on there by Mihawk.