Looking at the end of 484…...... it's obvious they are going to end up somewhere....either Fishman Island or Impel Doom..... or they will get split up....... and they will have to find each other ..... it's probably going to be a major hugely arc.....
Fishman Island or Impel Down?
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Gyojin literally means fishman, merman was spelled differently.
Yep, gyojin means fishman. Merman would be ningyo. So it´s definitely not Merman Island. Never was never will be. It´s just a translation mistake. Same counts for Arlong and his crew, they are fishmen not mermen.
And as far as i can remember Kokoro said that merfolk "also lives there".
I´ve heard that statement quite a lot here but can´t seem to find any talk of "merfolk" in the manga. Mind directing me to the exact place where it gets mentioned since I have a hard time believing that it was ever said like that?
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by merfolk i mean mermen and mermaids. (thank you for reminding me how mermen is spelled )
hmmm… my bad it seems Kokoro never said anything about mermaids. except "there are young ones too"..
@Stephens:
Cocoro: You folksh… You know where you'll be going fer tha next island?
Nami: No, where?
...it seems to be pointing downward a bit...Cocoro: Ngagaga... an' no wonder.
Yer next shtop's the underwater paradishe of "Fishman Island"!!- Page 99 -
Sanji: Whaaaaat?! F-Fi-Fi-Fi-Fi-Fi...
FISHMAN ISLAND?! Finally?!!Chopper: Huh?! What's the matter, Sanji?!!
Nami: Fishman Island... I don't know how I feel about that.
Luffy: Yeah, there IS what happened with your village and all.
Zoro: True, those were fishmen, but they were also pirates.
Sanji: Exactly! Hey, you're not so bad, you filthy animal!! (for an idiot!)
Fishman Island is a famous location on the Grand Line!!
The most beautiful mermaids in all the world describe graceful arcs above the water,
swimming and playing with the fish in this most wondrous of dreamlands!!Cocoro: (Urrrp…)
Sanji: I can dream, can't I?!!
I'm a pirate!!!Cocoro: Yesh, yesh, there are younger onesh, too!!!
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Cocoro: ...However,
thish "paradishe" ain't eazy ta get to.Robin: I've wondered about the "underwater" part...
Cocoro: Well, you'll shee when you get there.
That ain't the problem.
Look at thish front page from a reshent paper.It was Sanji that interrrupted and started ranting on about mermaids. Kokoro never really said they would be there at all (unless I'm missing something).
Edit: On a side note, shortly after this Kokoro tells everyone that every year hundereds of ships are lost in the triangle and how they are found without their crew later on. If a hundered ships disappear and Moria has been active for 10 years… how can he only have ~1400 shadows? How many persons were on each ship? 2-5?
There is only one logical explanation: Kokoro IS LYING TO US! (also all the ships shouldn't be found without crews. we saw that ship with the crew intact getting their shadows back. There is only a small number keept on the island...) -
Yep, I´m familiar with that dialog. I thought you were speaking about something else since the term "merfolk" seems to be quite popular while I´ve never seen it getting used in the actual story anywhere.
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Is anyone but me really using that term? The reason i'm useing it is because i feel unsure if either Mermen or Mermaids can be used to signify both genders. Iv heard Merfolk be used for mermaid type people before so that feels established for me.
I think what is causing a lot of confusion is Cez and Kokotas scanlation of that chapter which says the island is called merman island. (Probably because Sanji all of a sudden starts ranting about mermaids without Kokoro even mentioning them.)
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I´ve heard the term used quite often actually, before you joined the forum even. But I haven´t seen it in any translation so far.
And as long as Oda himself doesn´t calls mermaids mermaids there really is no need to categorize them as merfolk as long as he doesn´t do it. It´s completely based on fan interpretation.
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Edit: On a side note, shortly after this Kokoro tells everyone that every year hundereds of ships are lost in the triangle and how they are found without their crew later on. If a hundered ships disappear and Moria has been active for 10 years… how can he only have ~1400 shadows? How many persons were on each ship? 2-5?
There is only one logical explanation: Kokoro IS LYING TO US! (also all the ships shouldn't be found without crews. we saw that ship with the crew intact getting their shadows back. There is only a small number keept on the island...)Hmm. In my opinion, Moria would only want those with bounty on their heads or those that are skillful and powerful. And to prevent them from rebelling, they kill off the crew. (Brook's crew) Also among those ships, some maybe innocent sailors or shipwrights or peasants or tourists coming to Water 7 or going to Fishman Island. So I think that should make up the 100 ships because Water 7 and Fishman Island are famous tourist attractions!
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HERE IT IS:
-brook help sh to escape from thriller bark.
-they go to fishma's island.
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-kuma talks about ace's death.. that makes luffy mad. kuma is knocked out by luffy.
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I'm guessing a lot of the crews that go missing in the triangle might not even end up at Moria's place. The stormy weather in that area might take many of those out. Plus there is this thing about exaggeration. What sounds more impressive; 50-100 ships or hundreds of ships? Esp. if you don't know the exact amount, either way it also sounds better then "A lot of ships".
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TGS: Brook encountered Moria for the first time 5 years ago… he got killed 50 years ago. As far as we know Moria have not kill anyone. (killing off the pirates makes the shadows disappear.)
Also he needs shadows to reanimate zombies. he uses whatever shadows he can get his hands on. I mean he even got a wall zombie... a WALL ZOMBIE. It does nothing except drop down from the celing and become an immobile wall. there is no reason he shouldnt take each and every shadow he can get his hands on.Those nonpirateships... were you saying that Moria doesnt attack them or where you just accounting for the traffic? Moria doesnt really care who the shadows belong to as Cindys shadow was an innocent maid. And didn't the first shadow they put into Luffy belong to a marine?
Was the weather stormy in the triangle? I only recall the fog.
Look, I only pointed it out because I thought it was funny. I realize she was exaggerateing. but it also proves that everything the characters in OP say cannot be taken word for word.
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Was the weather stormy in the triangle? I only recall the fog.
Actually quite the opposite. When the ship strayed from the Tringle due to Oz, the ship actually rocked MORE.
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Since its almost time for the next arc after Brooke joins of course, I figure I would bump this thread up.
Anywayz now that Ace has been confirmed alive, where do you think the Straw Hats will head off to next?
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As far as we know Moria have not kill anyone. (killing off the pirates makes the shadows disappear.)
Actually, he did. Indirectly, but he did. Remember the guy Brook was talking about aboard Sunny ? The one without shadow that burned under sun light…
That was due to his Kage kage ability. Moria's a killer for sure.Back to topic : I really hope we won't go to Impel Down. Now Brook's here, I wanna see him out of the fog, out of the night, out of a dark submarine dungeon... I want him to experience a fresh contact with the world, something blue, something shiny.
And I definitely want to see White Beard taking his 16 divisions with him and destroying everything on earth.
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Emilio: Thats not murdering, that is "reckless endangering another persons life"… Unless he held the sword that cut the man down whatever happens to that man is not relevant in this context.
He would afterall have prefered the guy that died to continue living.
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Thats not murdering, that is "reckless endangering another persons life"…
It's the same for me. If he hasn't stolen his shadow, the man would be alive.
Even if he doesn't want his victims to die (because he needs to keep the shadows, etc…), they do die because of him, he knows that, and he doesn't care.
He's a murderer. Well, he's a pirate. So everything's cool, his bounty was about 320,000,000 Berries. -
Luffy doesn't backtrack, even for Ace. He respects him enough to know he'll survive somehow, though I could see Whitebeard sending one of his platoons to Impel Down instead.
Though with some of the Yonkou embroiled on an Impel Down scene, that would be perfect for Luffy to get to Fishman Island, find a way across the Red Line and have an easier way (to start) in the New World.
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It's the same for me. If he hasn't stolen his shadow, the man would be alive.
Even if he doesn't want his victims to die (because he needs to keep the shadows, etc…), they do die because of him, he knows that, and he doesn't care.
He's a murderer. Well, he's a pirate. So everything's cool, his bounty was about 320,000,000 Berries.By that logic it seems to me that every smoker (that has smoked around people that developed lung cancer) is a murderer.
When I wrote that I was talking about directly ending a life, cutting a person down where he stands. Not causeing the death later on along the line. He may be indifferent to a persons death but for all we know he hasn't had any satisfaction in personally doing the deed. (That was the context we were talking about since someone was wondering if Moria killed Brooks crew, and they died without loseing their shadows)
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Fishman Island for certain. Absalom said Ace would be a valuable weapon to the government, so I think Ace will be brainwashed by Vegapunk into that valuable weapon and relocated to Navy HQ. Soon, after Fishman Island arc, Luffy will hear of Ace's capture and rescue him.
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Impel Down
Impel Down means returning characters. Certain characters must return in order to save Ace.
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@AWB:
Fishman Island for certain. Absalom said Ace would be a valuable weapon to the government, so I think Ace will be brainwashed by Vegapunk into that valuable weapon and relocated to Navy HQ. Soon, after Fishman Island arc, Luffy will hear of Ace's capture and rescue him.
Uggh.
While I am not dismissing you idea, I am disgusted at it. Absalom meant that with the capture of Ace the WG had gained alot of infulence as Ace is a very powerful pirate AND very high in the bureaucracy of one of the Yonkou. They can set traps or get information.
I hope they don't plan to turn him against Whitebeard. Plus, he's a Logia, making him a cyborg would basically be pointless (and kinda stupid)
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I think after brook joins they will want to rescue ace but to get the proper info they need to go to Fishman island. Once they get there they are told that One of the other admirals(Not Ao Kiji) is in charge of Impel down. they will get to impel down via a fishman who helped them get to FM island,and told them bouit Impel. He will turn on them and say that he is a Comoder in the marines and lead them to Impel,and capture them. But Sanji was able to escape being captured and finds the ship and the others wepons. He finds the keys and frees the strawhats,Mr.0,mr.1,mr.2,and mr.3,,and ace.
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Who said anything about making him a cyborg? Certainly not moi.
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Fishman island, guys stick with the script.
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Why the hell would they go back to Enies Lobby to get to Impel Down? If there was a way to get to Impel Down without going through the Gate of Justice first, pirates would be attacking that place trying to free their captured nakama as we speak. The log pose doesn't magnetise reversibly. IF Luffy hears that his brother is in Impel Down, he will either suppress his emotions, or will try to go back without the help of a log pose only to have another member of the crew tell him how a captain should act.
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Fishman Island better be their next location, BECAUSE THE LOG POSE SAID SO GOD DAMMIT!!!
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@AWB:
Fishman Island for certain. Absalom said Ace would be a valuable weapon to the government, so I think Ace will be brainwashed by Vegapunk into that valuable weapon and relocated to Navy HQ. Soon, after Fishman Island arc, Luffy will hear of Ace's capture and rescue him.
This idea is just so downright horrible.
What Absalom most likely means is that Ace is something they can use against Whitebeard in the sense of controlling what he may or may not do. Since Whitebeard considers everyone in his crew as his "sons," he'll likely get reckless and won't think things through. I mean already having one of his commanders be killed off by a traitor, Blackbeard, plus the fact that the one he sent, Ace, to deal with it has been beaten and captured is going to mess with one's head a little bit.
Also, if some mind control crap you're thinking of were available something like the Shichibukai wouldn't even be necessary. They'd just send some of their big players to capture big name pirates if something like that were available. Besides we've already seen the work in progress that is considered to be the World Government human weapon, Bartholomew Kuma, so some mind control nonsense is out of the question.
Finally, Luffy isn't going to go after Ace. I've seen too many people bringing up that him not going after Ace would be "out of character" for Luffy. What you guys don't realize that Luffy going out of his way to rescue him is what would be out of character. He knows Ace is the type that could take care of himself and he doesn't need "little brother" to bail him out. Ace is following his dream to make Whitebeard king, and Luffy isn't going to halt the journey he and his crew are on just because his brother was captured. Luffy knows that whatever is happening with Ace it's up to his captain, Whitebeard, to deal with it.
EDIT: Oh yeah the Strawhats are going to Fishman Island, just to make this on-topic.
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Now after the events in chapter 489, I'm pretty sure that the crew is gonna go to Impel Down to go rescue Ace.
Whether they goto ID directly using Ace's Biblicard or via Fishman Island first, they will defintely goto ID sooner or later.
Luffy sure as hell won't let his bro die, his own flesh and blood - it would totally outta of character for him if Luffy just lets Ace rot in prison.
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Yeah, I agree. It certainly looks like Impel Down is next now.
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Since Fishman Island is in the middle of GRAND LINE and the Biblicard can only be used in
New World. I think the crew will first arrive Fishman Island and later leave for the New World. With the help of the Biblicard, they can go to rescue ACE. :)But it seems Impel Down is not located in New World. (My poor memory tells me that)
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I think fishmen island is on the way to impel down so they will have to go there and stay until the log post adjust hitself. Just the time for luffy to kick jimbei with one fist (to show how powerful he is –) chapter 500) and then they will go to impel down.
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Well, if you look at Stephen's translation, you'll see :
Nami: What is a "vivrecard"?
Laura: What, you don't know?
Pirate: They only have vivrecards in the New World, Captain Laura.It doesn't seem that it doesn't work before new world, only that they don't have them..
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the next mugiwara nakama should be a hot mermaid ;)
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It will be impel down.. There not going to be like "Oh Ace is dying, but we will get to him AFTER we go to fishman island"
Its pretty obvious its to impel down next, which is pretty cool cause we will hopefully learn more about ace, and mabye BB
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It will be impel down.. There not going to be like "Oh Ace is dying, but we will get to him AFTER we go to fishman island"
Its pretty obvious its to impel down next, which is pretty cool cause we will hopefully learn more about ace, and mabye BB
+1. and they'll go to mermaid island after they rescue ace.
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+1. and they'll go to mermaid island after they rescue ace.
+1, and maybe Dragon is joining the strawhats because his son is in danger…
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@bObO:
+1, and maybe Dragon is joining the strawhats because his son is in danger…
Doubtful, mainly cause he didn't even know Luffy was considered a severe threat to the WG until he saw his latest bounty. I'm not sure about what information network he may have, or even if he recieved the same paper that Absolom was reading earlier, but he may not know of Ace's predicament as of yet.
I believe that Luffy's going to head to Fishman Island next. Having another delay about the same place would either mean that Oda hasn't finished the overall design of the place, or it's going to be Water 7 / Enies Lobby epic. And by epic, I mean another year and a half to two years long.
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While the last chapter created more doubt on where Luffy is going next, I still think Fishman Island is next for a few reasons:
-Luffy trusts Ace: I highly doubt that Luffy would want to rush all the way back and cause another revolution in a government facility when he probably understands that his brother can handle himself. This isn't like Robin, a trusted and crucial member of his nakama who he literally declared war on the World Government just to save. Ace has powerful allies and is a member of the major part of the pirate community, meaning that Luffy knows he will probably have a big deal going after him.
-The Will of D: Everything that a "D" does in this world has and will have a massive impact on others. In a way, Ace being a sacrifice has already done its duty in this movement: Whitebeard may have to go in and send some of his men to Impel Down to weaken a government already hurt from Enias Lobby after finally relenting to what Shanks told him. Meanwhile, Teach (another "D" mind you) is already using the Ace incident as part of a meteoric rise that may not stop unless he becomes Pirate King. Furthermore, if Ace is a true "D" like Gol D. Roger, Jaguar D. Saul and even Luffy, he doesn't fear death and will possibly be massive even if he does die. While Luffy (another "D") could possibly change that, the wheels are already turning for "the incident" that is coming.
-Possibility of losing his dream: As we've already seen, the world, and particularly the Grand Line, has the power to make amazing dreamers lose sight of themselves, making dreams become lost or twisted in their mind to the point of no return. As we've seen through both Crocodile and Moria, both had ambition of being Pirate King but, by their time through the Grand Line, saw things to the point that they mutated into the cynical and freakish pirates they became. Luffy does have a dream of being Pirate King, but his dream could get lost if he keeps getting himself sidetracked and doesn't keep going into the New World and ultimately Raftel. To go back for Ace may end up changing the world for better or worse and could lead to something that would ruin Luffy and mutate or even abandon his dreams, forcing him to become what he doesn't want to be.
I'm not ruling it out if Oda says otherwise but to have Luffy go to Impel Down at this point just doesn't seem right.
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I'd prefer Impel Down over Fishman Island. This is "the trigger for a great event", after all. I'd prefer an awesome rescue arc with possible Marine enemies like Kuma, Smoker, Aokiji or maybe even Blackbeard making an appearance as opposed to the latter. I get the feeling people want the crew to go to Fishman Island simply because it's been talked about for so long, hehe.
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This is what I want to see now…..
Luffy and Co. go to Fishman Island ot stock up before rescuing Ace, where they find it destroyed by none other than an infurated WB. Luffy argues with WB about Ace and they fight. Luffy realizes for the first time that he has found an opponent he cannot yet beat and WB goes to rescue ace and then Chapter 500 is them going across the Redline to the New World with Brook playing a song that Laboon faintly hears. -
Fishman Island, Fishman Island, Fishman Island.
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Honestly, as the Apostle said, there is no way Luffy will even think about Mermaid island now that he knows Ace's life is in danger.
I assume others as well, but Luffy is the important one as the crew seems to follow his choice of destination.
Only way we won't is if we have an important reason to stop somewhere else. I can't think of a good reason, but if anyone can it's Oda.
Nami wanted to rush to Alabaster to ease Vivi's worry over her own pain, Zoro and Sanji willing to sacrifice their lives for Luffy's, Robin committing herself to a life in prison to avoid a buster call being called on the crew, it seems that self sacrifice is a continuing theme, as well as the theme of family/friends.
That said, no way is Luffy going to leave his brother who he knows is dying to his own devices so he can go visit an island he wanted to see. If anything, the more talked up mermaid island becomes, the more I hope we won't visit there before we rescue Ace.
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I like how a lot of people are saying that the Straw Hats are not doing this and not doing that. Last time I checked you arent the one writing the story.
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I'm hoping for Fishman Island next, the arc thats been hyped up since 1999.
Then if Luffy decides to go to Impel Down to save Ace, the underwater canal theory.
We'll find out in 490….
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I'd figure I would bump this thread up since the Strawhats are definitely gonna go to either one of these two locations once the Shanbondy Island arc is done.
At the moment though, it all seems very open ended on what thier next destination will be. The crew could very likely goto Impel Down to rescue Ace as well goto Fishman Island depending how events pan out.
Also another thing, Raleigh's coating for the ship will mean that the SH's will be able to travel to both places. since ID like FI is underwater too.
So what are your thoughts on where the next arc will take place?
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They will go to FI but I'm sure that ID is not far since it's a UNDERWATER prison.
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I thought it was already solved when a) Luffy announced Ace could take care of himself when the vivre card started to singe. b) Luffy missed the announcement that Ace was getting executed.
I'm pretty sure that news won't catch up to him untill it doesn't matter anymore, same thing as with his increased bounty at Jaya.
Besides what kind of public execution would it be if it was held underwater? why are we assuming the execution is held at the prison?
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Gorlom, the thing is somebody on Shanbondy like Kizaru or Kuma could easily tell Luffy about Ace's execution for bait - you know to catch Luffy and co.
If that happens, since's Ace's life is on the line this time as has been indicated by the burning Biblicard, Luffy may this time actually goto ID cuz of this to save his bro.