Chopper-Doctor-Wants to find a something that will cure anything(pancea I think was the term)
Is this true? I'd like to know in which chapter this is stated. I thought his dream was to find a family that accpets him.
Chopper-Doctor-Wants to find a something that will cure anything(pancea I think was the term)
Is this true? I'd like to know in which chapter this is stated. I thought his dream was to find a family that accpets him.
Chapter 145. After Hiluluk dies, Chopper vows to develop a panacea(that's the correct spelling).
Since about every Strawhat lost a fight when he or she was joining i dont think this indicates anything about his power. he was just faceing someone that had all his strenghts and then some plus knowing his weakness.
Every strawhat that had a fight except Usopp won it in their introduction arc.
Wagomu, Usopp's job has nothing to do with being brave. Sharpshooter's hide far from the battle and snipe at people. Not to mention it's a job Usopp rarely ever does.
Im going to call both sanji vs gin and Robin vs crocodile for losses.
Zoro was kinda fucked against Buggy too.. Buggy managed to wound zoro without takeing any hits. if it wasnt for luffys idea i say he would have lost then and there (and running away is a bit of a loss for Zoro anyway) After which Zoro had to rest and regain his strenght before he could face off against cabaji. (ok its not exactly his introductory fight. but its his first one vs one fight)
nami and chopper? hmm one would perhaps have to stretch the defenition of loseing to encompass more then just fights then.
@Ao:
Every strawhat that had a fight except Usopp won it in their introduction arc.
Wagomu, Usopp's job has nothing to do with being brave. Sharpshooter's hide far from the battle and snipe at people. Not to mention it's a job Usopp rarely ever does.
Not necissarily a fight, but Ussop was the one to beat Django.
@Ao:
Every strawhat that had a fight except Usopp won it in their introduction arc.
Wagomu, Usopp's job has nothing to do with being brave. Sharpshooter's hide far from the battle and snipe at people. Not to mention it's a job Usopp rarely ever does.
Yeah, I noticed that. As I said, though, my reasoning was that Usopp has a job where he is meant to fight, so being a brave warrior would complement his job and boost his readiness to fight. Guess it doesn't fit as well as the others, though.
Sanji lost both fights with Gin and Pearl in his introductory arc
Lets see….
Zoro-Morgan?:Win
Nami-?:no win for the entire first saga.....neither of her intro arcs even.
Ussop-Django?:Win
Sanji-Gin:Lose,Pearl:Lose
Chopper-Chessmarimo?(I forget that arc mostly):Win? I'm fairly sure....
Robin-?:No win in either of her intro arcs....except maybe Spandam...but she lost first.
Franky-Luffy? Tie?,Spandam:Win,Fukurou:Win
Franky lost the CP9 gangup on him when he got captured though Kitsune.
also i think we are looking for losses rather then wins since this is in relevance to Brooks loss vs Ryuuma and how that (imo) will not affect his strenght within the crew.
Think about everyone had something they needed to get help from/rescued by Luffy in their introductory arc. a bunch of them were fights, although Zoro and Nami already had lost before Luffy came into the picture (i know i know he came willingly.. im stretching the definition) and needed rescue from their situation rather then from a fight.
I cant recall anything about Drum island atm so i cant argue anything about chopper =P
Wow I posted a message that was more then 16 characters, but the forum rejected it saying it wasn't… :blink:
Anyway...
We tend to remember Luffy's losses more then the rest of the crew. The majority will remember Luffy's losses to Croc, outside of Mihawk's defeat over Zoro no one ever mentions others.
Franky lost the CP9 gangup on him when he got captured though Kitsune.
also i think we are looking for losses rather then wins since this is in relevance to Brooks loss vs Ryuuma and how that (imo) will not affect his strenght within the crew.
Think about everyone had something they needed to get help from/rescued by Luffy in their introductory arc. a bunch of them were fights, although Zoro and Nami already had lost before Luffy came into the picture (i know i know he came willingly.. im stretching the definition) and needed rescue from their situation rather then from a fight.
I cant recall anything about Drum island atm so i cant argue anything about chopper =P
That's true, they all did lose at some point in thier intro arcs.
@Kitsune::
That's true, they all did lose at some point in thier intro arcs.
That's probably why they're not all perceived as lonesome juggernauts when they first appear. Oda has a way of making each character that join show his of her strengths and weaknesses, before hand. They all require some help to accomplish what they seek. Every person who joins require some type of help from the SH before joining, and the primary reason they require help is because of the fact that they have lost or failed in their attempt beforehand.
Zoro - Helmeppo (indirectly Morgan)
Nami - Buggy
Ussop - Kuro
Sanji - Krieg
Chopper - Wapol
Robin - Crocodile/CP9
Franky - CP9
Brook - Moria
Regarding how Brooke will heal himself after fights
Chopper had his horn broken off when he was very young and all it took to repair it was masking tape
Not once in any battle has it fallen off
So I think brooke"s fractured bones can he restored easily enough with Chopper"s help
Bone restores naturally, simple as that. Sure it needs certain materials to rebuild, but all logic reguarding Brook's body flew out the window when we learned he could poop.
Not necissarily a fight, but Ussop was the one to beat Django.
But the Usopp Pirates were fighting him w/Kaya as support. And THEY lost.
Wasn't the Sanji v. Gin thing a draw?
@Ao:
Wasn't the Sanji v. Gin thing a draw?
Well His fight with Paldo (Technically his first fight) He got his butt handed to him. Then Gin ended Paldo. When the two were fighting, Gin served him hard at the end of chap 60. But 61 had sanji fighting back yet Gin got sanji into a hold and was about to kill him but let him live.
So no , he lost two fights in a row.
@Ao:
But the Usopp Pirates were fighting him w/Kaya as support. And THEY lost.
Wasn't the Sanji v. Gin thing a draw?
Nah, Sanji had Gin in a full mount, ready to kill him. Then he bursted into tears.. ''Don Krieg, I cannot kill this man!''
..At least that's from the anime. I haven't read the manga for the introductions since when I first read them, a supa long time ago.
Nah, Sanji had Gin in a full mount, ready to kill him. Then he bursted into tears.. ''Don Krieg, I cannot kill this man!''
Err, I think that was the other way round.
Err, I think that was the other way round.
Doh! Typo. Gin had Sanji in a full mount, hah.
Sanji got own? that SOFA King BullShit!!!!
He is the only strawHats that started out before the grandLine and showed the least amount of growth… its seem like all his technics were taught to him by red leg... his fighting power did increase but was it as crazy as zoro or luffy? Sanji had always been strong, its just that all you MF choose not to see it.
Gin would have been owned by Sanji if Sanji did not get smashed around by Paldo... Sanji loss to Paldo bcos Gin was about to kill red leg...
I DUN UNDERSTAND HOW UNFAIR & UNDERHAND WINs ARE CONSIDERED VALID...
Paldo --- IT WASN'T A FIGHT HE COULD HAVE WON. IF HE WIN RED LEG DIES.
Gin --- SANJI ACTUALLY WON... ITS JUST THAT HIS BODY COULDN'T HANDLE THE EFFECT OF HIS OWN KICKS...
Sanji got own? that SOFA King BullShit!!!!
He is the only strawHats that started out before the grandLine and showed the least amount of growth… its seem like all his technics were taught to him by red leg... his fighting power did increase but was it as crazy as zoro or luffy? Sanji had always been strong, its just that all you MF choose not to see it.Gin would have been owned by Sanji if Sanji did not get smashed around by Paldo... Sanji loss to Paldo bcos Gin was about to kill red leg...
I DUN UNDERSTAND HOW UNFAIR & UNDERHAND WINs ARE CONSIDERED VALID...
Paldo --- IT WASN'T A FIGHT HE COULD HAVE WON. IF HE WIN RED LEG DIES.
Gin --- SANJI ACTUALLY WON... ITS JUST THAT HIS BODY COULDN'T HANDLE THE EFFECT OF HIS OWN KICKS...
No one talked about strength.
I'm not even sure why they talked about what they talked.
Ramza please calm down. there is no need for any of that, this isnt some character bashing. a loss is a loss regardless of circumstances and all the strawhats has had them.
we are not compareing strenght or anything as such we are just bringing up that most strawhats got their asses handed to them in one way or another in their introductory arc. (hey even Luffy got his ass handed to him by that highwayman)
the reason this was brought up was because i think Ao kiji or someone said that the loss Brook suffered against Ryuuma would be cementing his place in the crew strenght wise.
Then i brought up that i don't belive that to be the case since almost every SH had some kind of trouble in their introductory arc. This is just to show that Oda lets all his characters lose at one point or another. (and probably that they grow stronger on Luffys crew)
Brooks loss is imo about as unfair and underhanded as Sanjis but it still counts as a loss. It tells us nothing about his strenght since he is simply faceing a stronger version of himself that does not only lack hiss weakness but also exploits it during the fight.
about brooke, wouldnt he be faster than ryuma?
ryuma have flesh weighing him down
about brooke, wouldnt he be faster than ryuma?
ryuma have flesh weighing him down
Ryuma claims that the Afro is slowing Brook down.
Wind resistance and what not.
Thing is, Brooke isn't gonna let the afro down anytime soon.
It's not a weakness, it's part of his strength. That's Brooke's strength as he is now, and he's gonna stay like that.
@Rai:
Thing is, Brooke isn't gonna let the afro down anytime soon.
It's not a weakness, it's part of his strength. That's Brooke's strength as he is now, and he's gonna stay like that.
I never said it was a weakness, it just makes him slower than Ryuma, that's all.
Ryuma thinks its a weakness, I think it's greatness.
we all know afro gives enchanted strenght :D
Trying to find a connection to piracey for the Wikia with Brooke's name. One vague Brooke is found though… James Brooke, some guy who help fight against piracey. Pretty famous, become sort of a romantic hero to the Brittish public. Not sure if its another ref, but its a pirate related Brooke... So who knows. :/
Isn't Brooke named after some singer? I remember something like this.. details went past me however.
I hear that too. Its not unlike Oda to do any of these things. But so far, he has displayed a tendacey to name characters after pirates more then anything. Go wikipedia… You'll see the list that has been put up of links.
@Rai:
Isn't Brooke named after some singer? I remember something like this.. details went past me however.
I hear that too. Its not unlike Oda to do any of these things.
You're on the money, because Brook's name is derived from the name Brook Benton, who is Oda's favorite Musician.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brook_Benton
I belive it was stated very early in this thread.
Hehee. I'd like to actually see where Oda says that as well! More reading stuff to do for the Wikia. ^-^
I"d like to see Brooke wear this in the future
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/58045460/
Haha that's great PTR.
Can we all agree on ''Brook'' yet, btw?
Brook=Masculine
Brooke=Feminine
In the silhouette with Laboon, Brook has no breasts, so he must be male.
And also his name is taken from Oda's favorite singer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brook_Benton
Brook.
So.. is there any reason left for it to be considered ''Brooke''? Cause I can't think of any now..
@Pass:
I"d like to see Brooke wear this in the future
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/58045460/
Awesome fanart,I would also like Brook wearing different outfits
wonder what brooke looked like before the bones.
Unless Oda himself states that this singer guy is what he based Brooke after and/or actually writes "BROOK" out in English, I'm sticking with Brooke.
brooke a girl? i know hes not, but that thought never occurred to me. for some reason i always assumed skeletons to be male.
Wonder what instrument he will play. Violin looks perfect for him but then again he can play soehting off landish just becasue of this fact. Maybe he is one-man band?
ewww, what if brook/e was a girl? with no breasts. and a perv.
From Stephen's Scripts: Chapter 442 Pg 16
[Gentleman Skeleton]
[Brook]
Gentleman = Guy.
since he wants to see Namis panties. would Brook be a lesbian if he was a girl?
Gentleman = Guy.
Exactly. People think I'm trying to wage war with them or something. It's not even like this issue is up for debate or discussion or anything. His name is Brook. A musician pops up that has the same name of Oda's favorite musician(named Brook) who's a male(which means it doesn't have an e) just as Stephen translated it and people still think there's a chance it will be ''Brooke''.
''Brooke'' came from a bad translation, people. It happens. I mean, look at this:
Does anyone on this board think Blackbeard's name is.. MASARU D. COCHEH? Does anyone call Van Auger.. CLOUD OUGA?
DOKU Q?
XUSASU BASASU?
I've seen people here get all up in arms when Zoro is called Zolo, same thing for Smoker being called Chaser. I know it's hilarious to try and piss people off over the interwebz by doing the opposite of what's right, but calling Brook ''Brooke'' doesn't even make me mad or anything. I'm just trying to correct certain people so they don't use names from bad translations anymore.
not that a big deal brook. let them spell it however they want.
and there is no way to be sure how Oda wants it to be spelled untill we have seen it romaized. the evidence point to Brook but nothing is canon yet.
not that a big deal brook. let them spell it however they want.
and there is no way to be sure how Oda wants it to be spelled untill we have seen it romaized. the evidence point to Brook but nothing is canon yet.
http://www.apforums.net/showpost.php?p=599650&postcount=45
That's you calling every single one of those above badly translated names ''goddamn stupid''. So much for ''letting people spell it however they want'', eh?
EDIT: And your ''Let people do whatever they want'' stance is awfully hypocritical, since you won't let me try to correct people without hassling me. ;p
sorry i should have said "let them spell it however they want, as long as we know who they mean". seriously thats just nitpicking. (and you do seem agitated about the brook/brooke deal)
also just because i think everyone should be allowed to spell the names how they want to spell them without anyone argueing about it doesnt mean i like the spelling and would want it in the scanlations i read.
Edit: oh yes beeing a hypocrite is the most fun form of beeing evil ^^ its like throwing diapers full of poo at people without the smell. (j/k)
@Brook: Errr my post was in response to the one that was above it, not as evidence towards the "Brook is right, Brooke is wrong" argument. I have no desire to be a part of the argument in anyway whatsoever. However, I must advise you, do not use Stephen's translation as the be all and end all for your argument. Whilst he might be one of the most reliable translators, he does make some mistakes. I recall the names he translated as Lucci and Jabura were romanized as Rucchi and Jabra by Oda.
@Brook: Errr my post was in response to the one that was above it, not as evidence towards the "Brook is right, Brooke is wrong" argument. I have no desire to be a part of the argument in anyway whatsoever. However, I must advise you, do not use Stephen's translation as the be all and end all for your argument. Whilst he might be one of the most reliable translators, he does make some mistakes. I recall the names he translated as Lucci and Jabura were romanized as Rucchi and Jabra by Oda.
I'm not arguing with anybody either. Arguing kind of implies that both sides have valid points. His name is 100% Brook, so ''Brooke'' isn't even a feasible argument. Even if you don't take Stephen's translation of ''Brook'' as literal, the fact that all translators agree that he's a ''GentleMAN Skeleton'' already makes it Brook, the male version.