I HAVENT READ THIS FAR BUT I KINDA KNOW WATS HAPENNING. MY "THEROY" IS USOPP JOINS BACK WITH THE CREW LATER IN THE SERIES, BUT FRANKY WILL BE USOPP'S CARPENTER SO HE'LL BRING HIM, WHILE PAULIE JOINED UP WITH THE STRAWHATS. (NOTE: THIS IS JUST A THEROY) BUT IF ONLY 1 PERSON HAD TO JOIN I THINK IT WOULD BE PAULIE, CUZ HE LOOKS COOLER, BUT I VOTED BOTH.
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I prefer Franky over Paulie
cuz Paulie's too…well...normal
all we know about him so far is that he loves cash (like Nami) and is heavily indebted
plus we haven't seen much of him latelyas for Franky
his design is wacky, cool, and fun
he's got an awesome character as well as habits
(like Chopper's habit of hiding in the wrong direction etc etc)
and plus he has his own tragic past story arc right nowbut to tell you the truth
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Why not Franky? You just said how wacky and cool he is.
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I HAVENT READ THIS FAR BUT I KINDA KNOW WATS HAPENNING. MY "THEROY" IS USOPP JOINS BACK WITH THE CREW LATER IN THE SERIES, BUT FRANKY WILL BE USOPP'S CARPENTER SO HE'LL BRING HIM, WHILE PAULIE JOINED UP WITH THE STRAWHATS. (NOTE: THIS IS JUST A THEROY) BUT IF ONLY 1 PERSON HAD TO JOIN I THINK IT WOULD BE PAULIE, CUZ HE LOOKS COOLER, BUT I VOTED BOTH.
Dude…take off the caps lock. It makes it look like you're shouting. I seriously doubt we'll be seeing Usopp sailing around on his own, especially now that Merry has been trashed (even if Merry turns out to be OK, it'll probably only be used for one last heroic moment)
I think whoever Oda wants to join the crew will be the coolest and I shall be content. So there. :D But so far, Franky is still much more interesting than Pauly.
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Mar 19 2005, 04:51 AM
I think whoever Oda wants to join the crew will be the coolest and I shall be content. So there. :D But so far, Franky is still much more interesting than Pauly.
[snapback]17055[/snapback]oh, i don't know. franky's wackier, for sure. but maybe odachii will find a way to make Paulie more engaging. We've had a lot of stuff about Franky in the past few installments, and I for one am just waiting for Paulie's turn to come around and show us his stuff.
i can't quite place it, i'm not really sure why, but i have banked on Paulie being the next person to join. :lol: i still say Paulie! want it to be him.
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I wouldn't mind in the slightest if Franky joins, but like you Yumi I have a gut feeling it will be Paulie. Hence why I argue for him.
I thought of another, if slightly silly, reason for Paulie to join: Sanji needs a smoking buddy. Seriously, how many cool shots of them looking badass with a halo of smoke do you think we could get if Paulie joins?
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I….just don't want anyone to take away from the Sanji/Zoro relationship. Really, the main reason I'd like Pauly to join is so none of you will be disappointed by Oda...
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I doubt Paulie will take away from the Sanji/Zoro relationship. He doesn't strike me as the type to butt in if the two are squabbling. He'll just be another person for either Sanji or Zoro to bicker with.
And really, as said he strikes me as more a Nami foil than anything.
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Someone on another forum was talking about the possibilty of it being neither Pauly or Franky, but the NEW SHIP that will be the new "member". I think that's plausible, although I can't imagine how even the most awesome ship won't need maintaining. But nothing's impossible in One Piece, I guess.
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Mar 19 2005, 01:13 AM
Someone on another forum was talking about the possibilty of it being neither Pauly or Franky, but the NEW SHIP that will be the new "member". I think that's plausible, although I can't imagine how even the most awesome ship won't need maintaining. But nothing's impossible in One Piece, I guess.
[snapback]17261[/snapback]Problem with that is, from what I understand, is that Oda's been hinting (Or should I say, teasing?) at a carpenter member… maybe if the ship is also a carpenter... >.>
As for the Paulie/Sanji/Zoro dynamic.. I imagine him off to the side, watching them bicker, and just shaking his head. He just seems like the type to stay clear of little problems that aren't immediately his. But that, of course, is just my view of him. I just can't see him jumping intos a bitch-fest unless something drew his attention to it... like an insult in his direction.
But I still see him and Sanji having cool arguments. _
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They talked about getting a new member, more precisely a shipwright and not just a random guy, or a ship. The new ship's whole another different matter. Knowing Luffy, when he decides something it will happen. But Luffy don't even know Franky's a shipwright yet, he probably ask him to join thinking him as a musician :P.
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Yeah, if they set out for something, that means they need it, and they must get it. With no shipwright, they'll be stuck with the exact same problem they had in the first place.
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But franky still has no reason to join the strawhatts, well only if his family really are dead, but i doubt that. Paulie only have Iceburg, and his more like father than a friend. If the franky family is alive and franky join the strawhatts, then its almost like Luffy would abandom his crew and join another…. And thats just stupid.
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So you think Pauly has more reasons to join ? Okey… here I go, again :P. Dunno why I still even bother.
Pauly has the whole city full of friends, he's loved by the everybody and he's in love with Iceberg. Franky's in generally hated by everybody and he really doesn't care of the city disregarding few and rare individuals, an outcast and an unfit of his environment just like other Straw Hats. Pauly has a good and a reliable job position at a huge company which needs him now more than ever. Also debt shouldn't be a problem, Iceberg sure help him out if ever needed. Now that Franky has the money the Family has lost it's purpose. The goal is fulfilled and I doubt if dismantling makes him happy at all, his heart is a heart of shipwright after all. Moreover he has become an enemy of the government, staying in the city would jeopardize the rest of his loved ones. Iceberg has requested him to leave even though he cares of Franky, Straw Hats would grand a good opportunity for that.
Franky has a dream. Building a dream ship is like a synonym for becoming the best shipwright there is just like, for example, Chopper wants to cure all sickness of the world meaning he wants to become the best doctor. Franky will probably enhance the ship gradually during the adventures, collect local materials and knowledge to improve his work just like other Straw Hats do.
There're still things remaining unveil about Franky. Who are his parents (sounds familiar, eh?) and what is his origin. What happened before he met Tom and why he was throwed out from the ship. And what happened during those four years he was away from Water 7. A lot of stuff we probably won't ever know.
Finally here are a few Franky's lines and hints I've already used many times during the arc.
I can see why his neck's worth 100 million…Â he's got some stiff bone underneath.
He respect Luffy and his strength. Gave him a credit for being a worthy captain.
I'm as free as a bird, uhahaha.
Nothing tieds him down anymore.
Here's a little number I call, "The Pirate's Honor."
He admire the life of pirate, thinking it's romantic.
This is a place I'm comfortable in…
The sea and living in a ship draws him. It's the place that feels natural for him, probably due because he was born and raised on a pirate ship.
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Originally posted by Yoska@Mar 20 2005, 11:19 PM
**So you think Pauly has more reasons to join ? Okey… here I go, again :P. Dunno why I still even bother.Pauly has the whole city full of friends, he's loved by the everybody and he's in love with Iceberg. Franky's in generally hated by everybody and he really doesn't care of the city disregarding few and rare individuals, an outcast and an unfit of his environment just like other Straw Hats. Pauly has a good and a reliable job position at a huge company which needs him now more than ever. Also debt shouldn't be a problem, Iceberg sure help him out if ever needed. Now that Franky has the money the Family has lost it's purpose. The goal is fulfilled and I doubt if dismantling makes him happy at all, his heart is a heart of shipwright after all. Moreover he has become an enemy of the government, staying in the city would jeopardize the rest of his loved ones. Iceberg has requested him to leave even though he cares of Franky, Straw Hats would grand a good opportunity for that.
Franky has a dream. Building a dream ship is like a synonym for becoming the best shipwright there is just like, for example, Chopper wants to cure all sickness of the world meaning he wants to become the best doctor. Franky will probably enhance the ship gradually during the adventures, collect local materials and knowledge to improve his work just like other Straw Hats do.
There're still things remaining unveil about Franky. Who are his parents (sounds familiar, eh?) and what is his origin. What happened before he met Tom and why he was throwed out from the ship. And what happened during those four years he was away from Water 7. A lot of stuff we probably won't ever know.
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[snapback]17949[/snapback]**Yes, all very good points that were very well illustrated. But like you noted that there are still some things to be unveiled about Franky, I am willing to wager that there are just as much, if not more things to be unveiled about Paulie. He's got a good job, good friends, and good standing with Iceburg, as far as we know, at least – as far as we have been told. We can assume that he's got enough reason to stick around and stay put, but we've got as much reason to suspect we may be thrown another side of the story at some point. (I for one am hoping it's soon).
As for Franky, well, its true that so far he's being treated as an outcast. But maybe after the recent events have passed and all this has blown over, that could very well change, not completely, I know, but maybe he won't be viewed as big a menace as he was before. It's been years since he and Iceburg spoke to each other, but I see a possibility of a reunion of sorts.
Then again, it could just be me. :lol:
-still chanting for paulie-
hm...whatever the result, i think odachii has accomplished something good here, yet again. he's kept our imagination and skills of speculation in practice. ;)
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i think i might have changed my mind from paulie to franky because paulie hjasnt done anything and franky got a big flashback that made me like him more…. kinda.... i dnno
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In addition to what Yoska said, Franky has no home, hardly any friends, an excellent reason to leave, and will obviously make up with Luffy. I think it'd be cool to have someone who sort of rivals Luffy.
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Come on, you people…
We've ONLY seen Franky's flash back. How about we wait for Paulie's before saying Franky has more reason to join? Listing off his reasons as being more valid isn't really fair when you have nothing to compare it against.
Sheesh.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 20 2005, 11:30 AM
In addition to what Yoska said, Franky has no home, hardly any friends, an excellent reason to leave, and will obviously make up with Luffy. I think it'd be cool to have someone who sort of rivals Luffy.
[snapback]17981[/snapback]… Franky is the boss of his family with probally more than 30 persons that he loves, Paulie on the other hand doesnt have any [b[closefriends[/b].
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Haha, it's almost as if the Board is divided on equal sides. And yes, we keep going back and forth on this (but it is fun with each Chapter that passes, no?).
So far from the story, we've only seen Paulie close to Iceberg. It doesn't seem like he's close with Lulu or Tilestone or anyone else. The only people it did seem like he was close to besides Ice, based on that mini-flashback, was Calipha, Lucci, Kaku, and Blueno. And they're all bad now.
Franky has a Family. Whether the rest of Water 7 likes him or not, he has about 30 loyal followers that worship him. I think that's the biggest thing that is holding me back with him. It would be like Foxy joining the Straw Hats- too many people rely on him. Plus, he is over-the-top and does stand out. It would be like Bon Clay joining.
I would prefer Paulie but am willing to see where Oda takes this. The "Second Act" of the arc is just beginning it looks like. Let's see what happens. As long as there IS a new crew member after this arc, I'll be happy.
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Originally posted by warp@Mar 18 2005, 01:08 PM
I HAVENT READ THIS FAR BUT I KINDA KNOW WATS HAPENNING. MY "THEROY" IS USOPP JOINS BACK WITH THE CREW LATER IN THE SERIES, BUT FRANKY WILL BE USOPP'S CARPENTER SO HE'LL BRING HIM, WHILE PAULIE JOINED UP WITH THE STRAWHATS. (NOTE: THIS IS JUST A THEROY)Â BUT IF ONLY 1 PERSON HAD TO JOIN I THINK IT WOULD BE PAULIE, CUZ HE LOOKS COOLER, BUT I VOTED BOTH.
[snapback]17013[/snapback]Anyway… I say neither. Because I'm like that.
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…..Somehow, I knew you'd say that.
_Originally posted by Konis+Mar 20 2005, 03:30 PM–>QUOTE(Konis @ Mar 20 2005, 03:30 PM)Come on, you people...
We've ONLY seen Franky's flash back. How about we wait for Paulie's before saying Franky has more reason to join? Listing off his reasons as being more valid isn't really fair when you have nothing to compare it against.
Sheesh.
[snapback]18090[/snapback]As it stands. We can't put them on equal ground because they're not on equal ground. Oda has chosen to show us more of Franky. We can't say he'll show us more of Pauly, we can only compare what we have.
@Mar 20 2005, 04:01 PM
… Franky is the boss of his family with probally more than 30 persons that he loves, Paulie on the other hand doesnt have any closefriends.
[snapback]18101[/snapback]__If they're not dead. Kiwi and Mozu are most likely still alive, but the rest of his family was ripped to shreds.
Pauly's the kind of guy who could have friends, so if he doesn't, he doesn't. He is very devoted to Ice, though. And he has a house, a steady job, and is quite popular (remember he "heroes of Water Seven"? Now he'll be the hero)._
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I think the Franky Family is just fine, few wound here and there but that's it. Nothing what Chopper couldn't cure at least :P.
The problem with saying we haven't seen much of Pauly yet is that it stands pretty much almost with every character -good and bad guy- of One Piece, not to even talk about all other characters of Water 7. Flashbacks has been rare and carefully selected.
And nevertheless a flashback doesn't make a good character, it's just an interesting scoop into their past but it doesn't changes what a character is. I seriously doubt that Oda would make another long flashback in the same settings.
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Originally posted by Yoska@Mar 20 2005, 04:49 PM
I seriously doubt that Oda would make another long flashback in the same settings.
[snapback]18117[/snapback]If I remember correctly, there were several flashbacks in Skypiea… weren't there? It's been a while since I've read it.. and, to my shame, I don't recall it as well as I ought to, but I seem to remember there being a flashback for Norland... and a flashback for Wiper...
This arc could easily be as long as Skypiea was.
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Actually, I thought that was all part of the same flashback…
Wait...hmm...darn now I'm confused. :P
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Originally posted by Konis+Mar 20 2005, 11:39 PM–>QUOTE(Konis @ Mar 20 2005, 11:39 PM)
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Originally posted by Konis@Mar 21 2005, 06:39 AM
If I remember correctly, there were several flashbacks in Skypiea… weren't there?There was eight pages of Wiper flashbacks spread into a few sections. It wasn't continual flashback nor it didn't told the story of Wiper, just brief segments of his life. I seriously doubt that Oda would make another long flashback in the same settings. But I'm all for Kaku (he probably had really tough childhood - picked on because of the square nose :() or Chimny (for all we know she could be an über shipwright - a grandchild of Kokoro after all) flashback though.
For example the Norland flashback was in a different settings than Wiper's lil' ones were.
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Yeah, Y. I'm with you here. I don't think we'll be getting another long flashback in this arc. Franky's was it. I don't even think we'll be getting Nico Robin's "Ohara Incident" in this arc even though it is important to the whole Iceberg/Franky/Tom/Robin dynamic. Maybe there's a chance we'll see parts of it from Iceberg's point of view based on what Tom told him. The Strawhats know she's good so that's enough to keep her as part of the Crew for now.
If Franky were to join, I hope he modifies his arms or something to look "more normal". And put on a pair of pants. And bring lots of coke. Shoot, see? That'd be like asking him to change his whole character. He's just a bit over the top.
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His arms too? I still don't think he's too much for the Straw Hats. I think it'd be a breath of fresh air.
If Pauly does get a flashback, I wouldn't mind it being the size of Sanji's, but he really doesn't need a big one that detracts from the Straw Hats' comeback, especially when he's still ktfo.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 21 2005, 09:34 AM
If Pauly does get a flashback, I wouldn't mind it being the size of Sanji's, but he really doesn't need a big one that detracts from the Straw Hats' comeback, especially when he's still ktfo.
[snapback]18450[/snapback]I agree… Paulie wouldn't really need a long flashback... most of the Strawhat flashbacks were fairly short. Franky's flashback was huge x.x All Paulie would need is half a chapter or less, just to show us what his story is. Heck, Usopp's was, what, two pages? And we didn't even see it until the end of his arc.
Frank's flashback just seemed like more of a telling of Tom's Workers history than just Franky's flashback. I mean, it was as much about Iceburg, Tom, and the people of Water 7 as it was him. What happened was pretty horrible... for all of them.
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True. It went from Zoro's few pages to Chopper's volume. I don't mind not knowing every major event.
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Year by year Oda is putting more details on his creations. It's pretty natural development for a comic artist, now after six years he isn't rookie anymore. But speaking of flashbacks I think at least Luffy and Zoro needs an improvement for their background stories, Oda kinda hurried by over them.
Frank's flashback just seemed like more of a telling of Tom's Workers history than just Franky's flashback
Sanji's flashback told the history of Baratie and was about Zeff, Nami's told the history of Arlong Park was about Belemere, Chopper's told the history of Drum Kingdom and was about Hiriluk. Straw Hats flashbacks hasn't been only about the Straw Hats but about their mentors shaping their ideals, the history of their home and why they have such a hard time to live there, and finally the traumas they had to go through. Franky's isn't any different.
If Pauly joins perhaps there just isn't even going to be any flashback at all ever.
I think it'd be a breath of fresh air.
This was my original argument why Franky should join. Not getting something fresh or different on the board kills the idea of why even bother to pick up a new player to the rooster at the first place. From writer's point of view it would just slow down the story without adding any further elements or possibilities to play with.
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That is a valid point. You don't need a huge flashback for proper character development. Franky's flashback was huge because it wasn't just about him, it was explaining a lot of the circumstances behind the current events and giving background info on a new villain. Franky's flashback is like a whole Water Seven flashback. It's similar to Chopper's in that respect.
Although for Paulie I would like a flashback of at least two chapters. That was about the length of Sanji's right?
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I think at least Luffy and Zoro needs an improvement for their background stories, Oda kinda hurried by over them.
I didn't really find anything lacking in Zoro's background. I have a feeling that Oda might be saving more of Luffy's past to be revealed later.
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Yeah, Luffy's past other than Shanks is gonna be one of the big revelations at the end of One Piece.
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Mar 21 2005, 03:46 PM
**> I think at least Luffy and Zoro needs an improvement for their background stories, Oda kinda hurried by over them.I didn't really find anything lacking in Zoro's background. I have a feeling that Oda might be saving more of Luffy's past to be revealed later.
[snapback]18577[/snapback]**I also thought Zoro's was just fine. Without showing all about him, Oda was able to add things like his former partners, and his killing of that BW agent without breaking the flow of the Morgan Arc.
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That may be the same case for Paulie. Oda may be saving little tidbits about him until later arcs.
Anybody liking Paulie again after this last chapter?
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When someone said he was the "star" of ch. 360, I figured that he'd said something really important. If he wasn't going to the lobby, I would've said "forget about him."
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No, sadly this chapter didn't do anything for me in Pauly's favor either. :(
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Actually, Pauly has been rubbing off on me as of late. After re-reading vol.35, & skimming over ch.360, I gotta say, I'm seeing him in a more of positive light. Though, I still have a few major issues with his character, I'm 'slowly' coming around.
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Well, he's the star in the sense that he had the most lines with the most emotional "weight" to them. And he finally got the Straw Hats' innocence out in the open.
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I´d say Franky just because he has a dream and a tragic origin story like any other member of the Straw Hats has. :)
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This is why Franky won't join.
Franky have his OWN crew. Sanji didnt have his OWN crew it was Zeffs and Sanji and the chefs didnt have the same nakama relationship that Franky and Luffy have with their crews. Usopp had, but they was just bunch of kids, that had their own dreams. But Franky's crew have the same dream as him, and as you've seen Franky loves his crew and they love Franky. The Franky family would probally go after Franky whereever he want to go, just like the strawhatts would go after Luffy whereever he wants to go. Just like the monkeys who risked their life for Cricket. If Franky leaves his crew, then it would be like Luffy leaving his crew. So if Franky would want to go anywhere then he takes his crew with him.
Franky now got money to make his dream come true, so now he can buy the thing that he wanted. And then he can probally make his dream ship.
I think that Franky will do the same thing as Tom, build one of the best ships in the world, and then give it to the future pirate king, because it was with Lufys money he could made his dream ship and it could also be a thanks for helping them fight against CP9.
So if Franky won't join, then why did Oda made him so cool and with a backstory? Well, if Franky gives the strawhatts his dream ship, then the ship will also have a kind of a backstory. Buggy also had a flashback, and hes also a cool character and he didnt join the strawhatts, but hes still around and we know that we will see him again. I think it will be like this with Franky too, he will not join the strawhatts but he might have a role in the upcoming arcs, becase if he still has the blueprints, then he can't just stay at Water 7 and relax.
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Well this are all plausible reasons for why you don´t think Franky will join, but none the less I chose Franky if I have to decide for either Franky or Pauley. I like both character´s but somehow I just got the impression that it will be Franky over Pauley.
Though I have to admit that I would like to see how Pauley and Sanji interact when Nami is wearing some sexy cloth´s. :D
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That's a lot of reasons, eh Solid? Personally, I really don't even doubt anymore of that Franky wouldn't join.
Anybody liking Paulie again after this last chapter?
It was never about not liking Pauly, at least with me. But honestly the chapter made me think a bit less of him. Too much straight seriousness and anger gives me a headache, I haven't ever been a big fan of that types of.
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It doesn't matter how much of an argument you create for either side at this point, in the end they are still so evenly matched after all these chapters. It's just way too hard to back either one of them atm.
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Good points, Solid. But how do we know they didn't stick around just to help him with his money problem?
Pauly just reminds me of Vivi. He's not bad, but no matter how many times I see him, there's nothing special there.
Originally posted by Ivotas@Mar 28 2005, 01:41 PM
**Well this are all plausible reasons for why you don´t think Franky will join, but none the less I chose Franky if I have to decide for either Franky or Pauley. I like both character´s but somehow I just got the impression that it will be Franky over Pauley.Though I have to admit that I would like to see how Pauley and Sanji interact when Nami is wearing some sexy cloth´s. :D
[snapback]22087[/snapback]**Weren't you only on vol. 34?
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 28 2005, 10:11 PM
Weren't you only on vol. 34?
[snapback]22127[/snapback]Dang you got me! Wouldn´t have even thought that anyone would take that much care of how far I am.
Well ok I guess I can let it out, I accidentally found a site where with scanslations of the manga and I just couldn´t resist reading them. And I have to say that it was the correct dicission because if I would be waiting until everything comes out here maybe I would be at the end of this year where the manga is now.
Oh and since I´m at it, I know even more think that Oda is a genius! ;)
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I read every single post, and remember a great deal of them, believe it or not. :P
So as you've probably noticed, the gap between them gets smaller with each chapter. The story looks like it wants to focus on CP9 and the Straw Hats, but it really just looks like it's setting up the new crewmember.
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Neither. I'm pretty sure that Calipha is definitely the new Strawhat, and I'm also pretty sure I won't see too many objections.