Supposing Hogback and Moria were always the same person, would it have a bigger impact on the story for his dual identity to be revealed to the world? Or would the medical community alone be shaken up by such a revelation? Since Shichibukai are granted immunity by the World Gov't. in exchange for smashing pirate groups and paying a tribute, Hogback certainly could carry out some despicable experiments without fear if he was one. Then again, maybe he's plotting to build up a zombie army to attack the World Gov't. That would give him reason enough to withdraw from the world scene. As for those who would ask "why would a respected doctor lead a double life as a criminal?" I can give several answers. One, plundering ships provides plenty of extra grant money -money that doesn't get tracked by those pencil-pushing bean counters at the World Gov't. Dept. of Revenue. Two, killing a ship full of people provides plenty of fresh cadavers not only for his own twisted research into eternal life, but to any medical school that requires them for dissection and study of the human anatomy. Three, by becoming a wanted pirate and moving up through the ranks of the Most Wanted list he could more quickly achieve Shichibukai status and thus, carte blanche to perform his research.
Chapter 448 - "Moria" Discussion
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In light of the picture room, I feel that Hogback loves Cindry.
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Luffy pushing the zombie back into the ground was… classic! XD
And they're up against another shichibukai this time. One Piece never fails to amaze me even after 400+ chapters.
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I'm not sure why people are certain that it's Moria who has this ability. I certainly wouldn't say it isn't a strong possibility, because it is, but you could easily make a case that it's not him.
There´s already been two hints why the logical first guess is that Moria is the shadow stealer.
1. Remember when Brook didn´t want to reveal the name of the shadow stealer and Zoro was like "our opponent is that strong?". First I was like "its Hogback" when that guy got revealed. But right now with Moria the whole "he´s too strong" concept works better IMO.
2. The old man says that defeating Moria is equal to getting the shadows back. Of course that doesn´t rule the possibility out that one of Moria companions has that skill but still the logic first guess is that it is him, especially if you connect it with point 1.
However I agree that it isn´t set in stone and that the author can pull another "Oda" on us.
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Moria is pretending to be Hogback's bitch whilst he is secretly working on some leet plan involving stealing the doctor's knowledge of resurrections and all that and Cindry was in love with Moria but he didn't really give a shit about her (Naruto) or manipulated her (Death Note). He might have made some sort of shrine to her after discovering his true love for her or Hogback is obsessed with her and made himself a shrine so no one will know of his obsession.
Or something.
I just pulled that one out of my head and I think I may have fuzzed something.
BrookexCindry?
Brooke was an arrogant jerk but now he's been reborn, he acknowledges Cindry?
The geckos and regrowing stuff kinda fits in with regrowth and resurrection.
Just throwing out things so my skull has more room.
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Somehow that doesn't seem likely. It seems Oda was more interested in tying movie canon to manga canon however small it might be.
Do you by that mean that Movie 7? If so then I don´t think that Oda´s tying it. The island in that movie isn´t a machine island but simply an island where one inventor created quite an amount of gadgets. In fact, you can compare it to this very manga arc. We´re having a story on a ghost island that in no way connects to the ghost island in Movie 6.
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Another thing you have to take into account with shichibukai bounties: It's only the bounty they were at when they joined. Some may have stayed as a pirate for much longer and accrued a higher bounty than another shichibukai who joined shortly after amassing a significant bounty.
As for don flamingo, methinks he will come later and cause the SH's to fight eachother by taking control.
This would set up a big emotional battle, piss luffy off by making him attack/defeat his crewmates etc. In theory that could make him one of the most dangerous shichibukai to the SH's. -
Do you by that mean that Movie 7? If so then I don´t think that Oda´s tying it. The island in that movie isn´t a machine island but simply an island where one inventor created quite an amount of gadgets. In fact, you can compare it to this very manga arc. We´re having a story on a ghost island that in no way connects to the ghost island in Movie 6.
I'm not a movie/animation buff so you'll have to help me here. Was the island from movie 7 called "Karakuri Island"? Because that's the name of the island here so…
1. Remember when Brook didn´t want to reveal the name of the shadow stealer and Zoro was like "our opponent is that strong?". First I was like "its Hogback" when that guy got revealed. But right now with Moria the whole "he´s too strong" concept works better IMO.
2. The old man says that defeating Moria is equal to getting the shadows back. Of course that doesn´t rule the possibility out that one of Moria companions has that skill but still the logic first guess is that it is him, especially if you connect it with point 1.
I totally agree with both your points. In fact I think I brought both of them up in different posts.
But….
1. That still didn't connect proof directly to Moria being able to do it himself at will.
2. Right but what does getting it back mean? I would be cautious to fall into the, "Once defeated shadows rise out of the fallen villain's body and return to their proper place" Final Fantasy school of thought.
My question is not whether he's connected to it or not, because all signs point to yes, but rather how he's connected to it.
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Even if it's not HIS ability, it's obvious if he wants a shadow is stolen. The one stealing shadows, if not him, is definitely under his command and always will be with him. So basically it IS his ability, no?
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epifany what if Moria has been just chillin' on Thriller, hiding from the WG 'cause he doesn't want to work, so they send Kuma out to get him? That would answer DOS big questions about the Shichibukai!
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I'm not a movie/animation buff so you'll have to help me here. Was the island from movie 7 called "Karakuri Island"? Because that's the name of the island here so…
Nope, the islands name is "Mecha-jima". The term Karakuri does appear in the title though but not in reference to the island but to Ratchets hideout which is called "Karakuri Castle".
Besides if my memory serves me right all the mechanics on that island were Ratchets creations which means that nobody else could come up with them. But Spacey is a creation of that old scientist dude who doesn´t seem to have any connection to Ratchet at all. I really think that it´s just like with Thriller Bark and the island of movie 6. Themewise they resemble each other but they are different.
I totally agree with both your points. In fact I think I brought both of them up in different posts.
But….
1. That still didn't connect proof directly to Moria being able to do it himself at will.
2. Right but what does getting it back mean? I would be cautious to fall into the, "Once defeated shadows rise out of the fallen villain's body and return to their proper place" Final Fantasy school of thought.
My question is not whether he's connected to it or not, because all signs point to yes, but rather how he's connected to it.
That remains to be seen. I didn´t want to show how he´s connected to it, but just why he´s the most plausible guess to be the shadow stealer so far. As always, the break couldn´t have worse timing. :getlost:
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As long as Moria wears cargo pants, I'm good.
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Moria stealing shadows is near certain.
It's either that or he has a beast/lacky/ crazy machine that does it for him. But if it IS a seperate entity then why would beating Moria automatically make the shadows free?
Sounds over complicated to me, theres no real need for it not to be moria anyways.
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I suspect Moria will have some way of exploiting the weakness showless people have. Perhaps a high powered light source, or a sidekick who has eaten the Sun Sun Fruit.
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As of now, I think Moria will the "comidic relief" of the Shichibukai.
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aw damn i just remembered that there won't be a chapter this week. :(
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What if Moria's bounty is equal to Doflamingo?
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What if maybe, just maybe, Moria is actually a just fellow, and Brooke is the villain. What if Brooke did some terrible thing in the past, and Moria stole his shadow to ensure his exile (at least during the daytime). Yes, it's a stretch, and it's probably not how things'll turn out, but it's some food for thought.
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What if maybe, just maybe, Moria is actually a just fellow, and Brooke is the villain. What if Brooke did some terrible thing in the past, and Moria stole his shadow to ensure his exile (at least during the daytime). Yes, it's a stretch, and it's probably not how things'll turn out, but it's some food for thought.
Pretty good and certainly fresh theory. This could very easily be true.
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Oda isn't gonna make a shichibukai a good guy. That would screw everything.
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That would screw everything.
And why would that screw everything? It would be fresh and new.
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@Impel:
Oda isn't gonna make a shichibukai a good guy. That would screw everything.
cough Mihawk cough
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cough Mihawk cough
I wouldn't say he's a good guy. He's about neutral. He seems good because he let Zoro live, when really he just wants Zoro alive for his own benefit - a good fight.
But he has a friendship with Shanks, so I guess that leans him towards being good.
I really can't see Gecko being good. He steals shadows, which isn't exactly the nicest of things to do.
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Mihawk is a good guy because he raped Krieg's ass. Anybody who hands Krieg's ass to him just to kill time is a hero in my books. The guy had it coming, but seriously. Gecko just sounds evil.
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Indeed, The shadowing panel on the last panel doesn't give good vibes about Moria…
But yeah, Mihawk looks like a good guy. And we still have to know more about Kuma, Jimbei and the last and unknown Shichibukai.
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One thing's for sure, if Blackbeard gets a membership…
...SOMEBODY GONNA GET FUCKED UP.Moria gives off evil vibes. This is kind of like the whole Eneru foreshadowing thing. We didn't actually see him until chapter 254, but we knew he would be an evil bastard.
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He definitely is a good guy. He didn´t let Zoro live because he had pitty with him or because he wanted to let a loser live in shame. He did it because he was impressed by Zoro´s strong will, which had such a strong impact on him that he even motivated Zoro to sail the world and become stronger. Mihawk definitely is a man of pride, the little we saw of him already established that.
Besides, he hasn´t done anything so far that could actually make him appear as an bad guy. Crushing Kriegs fleet doesn´t make him evil. We don´t know how provoking Ego Krieg was in the first place when he saw the man sailing in a little boat.
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@IT'S:
Mihawk is a good guy because he raped Krieg's ass. Anybody who hands Krieg's ass to him just to kill time is a hero in my books.
Well in my book, I'd classify someone who tries to beat ANYONE to death just to kill time as an asshole.
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And remember that the job of the Shichibukai is to keep pirates under control, that's why they're working for the WG. Moria doesn't have to be good to be trying to keep Brook on Thriller Bark, but Brook doesn't have to be good either. WanMQ may be right.
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@Pass:
Well in my book, I'd classify someone who tries to beat ANYONE to death just to kill time as an asshole.
He isn´t beating ANYONE, he is beating pirates, who mostly do criminal stuff themselves. And just as I said before, we don´t know if Krieg wasn´t provoking him in the first place. Just let your fantasy play a little bit and think of the encounter of Krieg with his 50 ship armada on the one side and a little boat on the other side. What do you think how an egomaniac like Krieg would act in a conversation here?
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Nope, the islands name is "Mecha-jima". The term Karakuri does appear in the title though but not in reference to the island but to Ratchets hideout which is called "Karakuri Castle".
Besides if my memory serves me right all the mechanics on that island were Ratchets creations which means that nobody else could come up with them. But Spacey is a creation of that old scientist dude who doesn´t seem to have any connection to Ratchet at all. I really think that it´s just like with Thriller Bark and the island of movie 6. Themewise they resemble each other but they are different.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. Like most OP films, I fell asleep early on.
That remains to be seen.
Exactly. But I already see speculating the details of his ability as a shadow stealer and that defeating him definitely means that instantly shadows will trickle back to their owners from his fallen body a la every RPG ever made.
And since Luffy can't kill anyone anyway…
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He isn´t beating ANYONE, he is beating pirates, who mostly do criminal stuff themselves. And just as I said before, we don´t know if Krieg wasn´t provoking him in the first place. Just let your fantasy play a little bit and think of the encounter of Krieg with his 50 ship armada on the one side and a little boat on the other side. What do you think how an egomaniac like Krieg would act in a conversation here?
I never said Mihawk was an asshole. Look at my post again.
Well in my book, I'd classify someone who tries to beat ANYONE to death just to kill time as an asshole.
It was all in response to Lion's logic on what classifys a hero.
Mihawk probably was disturbed, so that would give him an excuse. If he attacked them SOLEY for fun, then I'd classify him as an ass.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. Like most OP films, I fell asleep early on.
Exactly. But I already see speculating the details of his ability as a shadow stealer and that defeating him definitely means that instantly shadows will trickle back to their owners from his fallen body a la every RPG ever made.
And since Luffy can't kill anyone anyway…
My guess on this would be that if Gecko Moria is indeed the one actually taking shadows away, there's a possibility he's storing them externally (as not in his own body). Perhaps after his defeat, or a long enough stalling by the SHs, they can recover the abducted shadows. The only problem is that he can steal them at any time again. Which brings to mind, the point that Oda considers a villian's defeat at Luffy's hand something that destroys their will, satisfying the possibility of Moria going after shadows again.
wow, thought that'd be alot shorter to say.
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My guess on this would be that if Gecko Moria is indeed the one actually taking shadows away, there's a possibility he's storing them externally (as not in his own body)
This is where my vote lies currently as well even though there's no real proof. My original point was, why are people already posting as if his abilities and the scenario have all been divulged ^O^
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Kuroneko, you're right about the shadowing on that panel, and Robin's apparent terror at hearing the name. However, I'll bet rumors spread pretty fast on the high seas. I'll bet there are people now who tremble at the name "Strawhat Luffy."
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Chopper & zoro is the key word 2 me for this arc i now many of u say what the heal i,m sayin but oda sansi did it before its the first test for Chopper knowledge {sorry for my english }and i think its going to be extrem 4 Chopper
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Kuroneko, you're right about the shadowing on that panel, and Robin's apparent terror at hearing the name. However, I'll bet rumors spread pretty fast on the high seas. I'll bet there are people now who tremble at the name "Strawhat Luffy."
Yeah, maybe you're right. For instance, before Oda introduce Zoro in the storyline, he put a creep shadowing on Zoro in a certain panel of chapter 2. But remember that the fact of Moria stealing shadows and letting their owners in danger (the sunlight) make him a pretty ruthless bastard.
The only problem is that he can steal them at any time again. Which brings to mind, the point that Oda considers a villian's defeat at Luffy's hand something that destroys their will, satisfying the possibility of Moria going after shadows again.
Yeah, we have to know what is Moria's reason for stealing shadows at first. Aren't all the villains had good reasons for doing all those things?
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My guess..es:
A) He needs shadows to live, like a shadow vampire
B) He's been living a long time, and he can keep himself alive with shadows, like Kakuzu or Orochimaru
C) He takes the shadows of powerful people to increase his own strength
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. Like most OP films, I fell asleep early on.
Perhaps it would have served you better if you did the same for the 8th movie.
Exactly. But I already see speculating the details of his ability as a shadow stealer and that defeating him definitely means that instantly shadows will trickle back to their owners from his fallen body a la every RPG ever made.
Bleh, don´t be bothered by that. I remember back during Robins fleshback when the Marine ship anchored ashore people all were like "it´s Aokiji!". What was even funnier was the comment of someone one saying "it must be him because the water was frozen". And in the end it was Olvia all along.
@ Pass the Rootbeer: Ok I see, got that confuddled a bit.
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no chapter 449 dis week?
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no chapter this week >.>;
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I want to know,too but I guess noone's answering?
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No chapter? I'm bummed, now.
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No chapter this week!! Sheesh!
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Perhaps it would have served you better if you did the same for the 8th movie.
No, the remedy to Movie 8 is a shotgun blow to the face.
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Oh yeah i forgot theres no new chapter this week but Brook wants new One Piece chapter
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Of course he does. What's the occasion for no jump?
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There's JUMP, just no OP.
I imagine the details of this phenomenon some might call an "author's break" are detailed in a sticky around here somewhere.
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oh Oh OH! I get it. The Brook pic above suggested that there was no Jump, so I just figured.
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Well, despite no beak, we got plenty to talk about until next week–what with a new shichibukai and the general mystery of this zombie island.
Hey, I thought of a guess to his fighting ability. If Moria steals shadows, then it must be DF related, cause DFs are supposed to be the only magic items in OP.
So, what DF can steal a shadow? How about the light devil fruit? Light affects shadows, so maybe Moria can steals them too. In fact, maybe that guy getting burned earlier was a power display. Plus, it created some drama if Moria could incinerate people after he steals their shadows....like Brooke.
I call it. I'm predicting that Gekko has light powers.