I expect regular arcs to be nice time. So the next 2 arcs probably. Its really the final war that I am worried about.
Chapter 1057: The End
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@Nectar Luffy expected Momo and Kinnemon to show up. He was explicitly waiting for them with the flag, so he was not leaving without the farewell. It's just a little dramatization for a better punch.
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It was just Luffy and them being rude though. He could’ve just as easily told them to meet at the port because they had a gift for them. Luffy just did it on a whim because it would work out either way.
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@Gizmo yeah, but that would be more boring to read than what we got.
One Piece is written with countless poor (but harmless) decisions by characters from a logical/moral point of view, but which enhance the fun of reading. For example, in this very chapter, Luffy risked the safety of his crew to jump a waterfall only because of Kid teasing him. We could spend hours here tearing Luffy apart for this horrible act of irresponsability as a captain... but it's actually a fun comedic scene, so I'm happier this way.
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Whether like or hate, my biggest feeling for this chapter was, "Awwww . . ."
I guess that's just the feeling of how Oda handled Momo and co.'s goodbye. Neither a bang or a whimper, just smiles. I never cared about Yamato joining the crew, as I didn't think he had enough interaction with everyone other than Luffy to make him worth it. So while sudden and a bit confusing, I'm fine with Yamato not joining.
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Yeah not a fan of this chapter. There's some nice moments here and there, but Yamato was handled weird. He originally came out of nowhere. Then suddenly was much everywhere, even with marketing. Yamato's gotta come back eventually as a "Straw Hat", otherwise their characterization is just odd as of now. This almost feels like with whatever happened with Paulie, and my expectations are staying low towards that anyway.
As for the Wano arc overall, I'm disappointed that a lot of scenes were cut out/sidelined/fast-forwarded. I wouldn't even care if this arc was longer. Though I'm surprised I enjoyed this arc more than typical mass-fight arcs like Marineford, Dressrosa's Colosseum, and the final war-like arcs of Naruto/Bleach.
It's also unfortunately amusing to me how Genshin Impact's Japanese-themed arc was also rushed towards the end. GI fixed some story bits later after the main stuff, but I think OP did a better job with Wano in general.
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Absolutely loved Kid baiting Law and Luffy quite successfully. Easily my highlight for this chapter. And Momo my highlight for Wano.
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I already shared my thoughts about the chapter in the spoiler sections, but to sum it up:
Very weak closure for the Wano arc, I am very glad that we are moving on.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1057: The End:
Next arc is bound to be better just by virtue of starting at a lower scope.
IF the scope is actually smaller.
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Y'know what never really went anywhere? That swordstealing, shapeshifting fox.
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Does look like Elbaf is next. The 3 stupid captains are about to wreck their ships. They will need adam tree to repair sunny, but most likely eustass and law will get lucky, so they don't tag along for next arc too.
Btw how stupid is it that we finally got a helmsman after 25 years of adventures but luffy is still the one driving the ship...
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@wolfwood Or the (Nidai Kitetsu ?) sword Luffy picked up early in the first act. I have absolutely no idea where it ended up after he was enslaved in the Udon mines.
Or the visit to Ryuma's grave and handing back his sword (it could have benefited from a couple panels with a remembrance ceremony of sorts)
Or whatever black swords are meant to be (initially I thought the King fight would let us in on that, but no, all we got is king haki from hell)
Or that giant sword in Onigashima (was a nice piece of scenery, but it would have been much more satisfying to see it used one way or another in the Onigashima battle)Swords at large got the short end of the stick, I would say.
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Something that strikes me, now that its over, ist how underused Zoro was in Wano of all things.
There were so many possibilities of going back to showing the aspects of his character that make him cool (mentoring Momo for example, his relationship with Yasuie, Tokyo, Hyori...) but instead he just got more two-dimensional "cool sword guy gets cool sword"-stuff...and that after Oda showed again, how brilliant he can be about characters with Sanji on Whole Cake...In general, I absolutely still love One Piece, always will, but Wano, despite many moments I loved, was the first time, I went out of an arc with more negative feelings towards it, than positive ones.
Chapter still had some good things going on, tho, Momo and Kin aus Honoraries, Possibility of Yamato in the future, first official (with flag) Strawhat-Territory, etc.
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@wolfwood said in Chapter 1057: The End:
Y'know what never really went anywhere? That swordstealing, shapeshifting fox.
That and the octopus at the very beginning of Wano. Like what was the point of using several panels of it slowly boarding Sunny only for it to not matter at all?
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Zoro is bound to get Nidai since he has the inferior version of Kitetsu.
But since oda rushed to end wano, I guess that we will get a flashback with zoro getting nidai before they left wano.
Or maybe yamato will shows up a few years later and be like: yo zoro, you forgot this in wano.
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@Ivotas said in Chapter 1057: The End:
That and the octopus at the very beginning of Wano. Like what was the point of using several panels of it slowly boarding Sunny only for it to not matter at all?
Maybe we will see him next chapter and that is how they are saved from waterfall fall
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I enjoyed the Onimaru story, not gonna let the lack of an explantion for his shapeshifting (which Kawamatsu is unaware of as far as we know) take that away from me. Same about Kawamatsu in general I guess. I loved him in Act 2, in Act 3 he barely did anything.
It's more difficult to apply the same prinicple to stuff like the Nidai Kitetsu or Ryuma's Grave/Shusui and I know people are saying we can get flashback for it which is absolutely possible, but honestly even if we do get that, to think of Wano's conclusion more favorably, I think I'd need about 10 flashbacks. I'll admit my expectations for post-Wano were astronomically high, I was pretty burned out with the fighting, it's usually not my favorite part of any arc, but the sheer length and some of Oda's writing desicions made at least some sections of it unusually jarring. The thought of the pay off kept me invested though, and it's not like the post-fight chapters were bad in any way. It had some emotional scenes, some funny scenes, some good lore but it just didn't feel enough for all the set-up, all the time spent with these characters and this island. Maybe I'll feel better about it after some time has passed, Act 2 certainly grew on me a lot over time, maybe Act 3 will be the same.
Wano will play a role in the future, the borders have not been opened, it was allied with the ancient Kingdom and I would bet Ryuma lived during the Void Century as well. Kaido and Big Mom were part of the Rocks Pirates, so we're probably gonna get more about them, too. But this is the first arc that somewhat left me concerned regarding the ending of One Piece. There's only so much time left for us to say, "Oda will get to it later". He keeps throwing new stuff at us. Cross Guild, Holy Knights, Flame Emperor, Man with the Burn Scar, 8 Nation Revolution...and all of that is exciting, but at some point, he'll need to start bringing all of it together. I'm not saying it won't happen or that he can't do it, only that Wano was the first arc that felt incomplete to me, and I hope it's not indicative of things to come.
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@cavendishsama said in Chapter 1057: The End:
I enjoyed the Onimaru story, not gonna let the lack of an explantion for his shapeshifting (which Kawamatsu is unaware of as far as we know) take that away from me.
Luckily that being an ability granted by a Mythological Zoan Hito Hito Model Onmyudo could just achieve to do it.
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@rayleigh92 said in Chapter 1057: The End:
@cavendishsama said in Chapter 1057: The End:
I enjoyed the Onimaru story, not gonna let the lack of an explantion for his shapeshifting (which Kawamatsu is unaware of as far as we know) take that away from me.
Luckily that being an ability granted by a Mythological Zoan Hito Hito Model Onmyudo could just achieve to do it.
And that was already confirmed in a sbs/vivre card if I remember correctly
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@wolfwood I think that was just a neat little idea for a side character Oda came up with and nothing more, a loyal animal that can transform into a human. The fox was the one who provided everybody with their weapons for the raid, so I guess that was his plot purpose. I mean, I liked it for what it was. Sure, Oda could have done more with him, but I don't think everything introduced in an arc also has to play a big role in its climax (which was already cluttered with characters anyway). Who knows, maybe Oda originally intended for the fox to also be there for the raid but then cut him from the roster.
Speaking of the raid, was it ever explained how Hiyori managed to arrive at Onigashima?
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@Riddler said in Chapter 1057: The End:
Speaking of the raid, was it ever explained how Hiyori managed to arrive at Onigashima?
I really doubt it will be explained.
It's likely, IMO, that she got in with the rest of the geisha/oiran brought from the Flower Capital.
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@akagami7 said in Chapter 1057: The End:
@rayleigh92 said in Chapter 1057: The End:
@cavendishsama said in Chapter 1057: The End:
I enjoyed the Onimaru story, not gonna let the lack of an explantion for his shapeshifting (which Kawamatsu is unaware of as far as we know) take that away from me.
Luckily that being an ability granted by a Mythological Zoan Hito Hito Model Onmyudo could just achieve to do it.
And that was already confirmed in a sbs/vivre card if I remember correctly
Yes, on his Vivre Card.
BTW the mythological zoan inflation in Wano is awful
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@Hakase said in Chapter 1057: The End:
@desa said in Chapter 1057: The End:
Not saying it's going to be joining but merely Oda offpaneled the reason for the mind change and Pluton is a thing that will make Wano intersect into the story again. I wouldn't be surprised that in the interim we get a cover story with Yamato and whenever the strawhats cross with Wano again Oda decides to tell us the actual reason for the change of mind.
That would actually be the only way I can think of that would resolve the Yamato-Situation absolutely perfectly.
Give her/him a cover-story where he/she (god, that's confusion) grows as a character and learns some lessons. Then, when the Coverstory is over, have her reappear in front of Luffy with a loud and proud "Hey, it's me...YAMATO!" -
@Riddler said in Chapter 1057: The End:
Speaking of the raid, was it ever explained how Hiyori managed to arrive at Onigashima?
Nope, we also don't know how she healed the scabbardd
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@rayleigh92 Oh I didn't know that, my bad. That Kawamatsu doesn't know about it, still bothers me though. It's not that big of a deal here, cause it was obviously gonna be a Devil Fruit, so the Vivre Card giving us the name is okay with me, but in general, needing supplementary material for certain parts of the story isn't the greatest sign either. Thinking of the mysterious silhouette looking after Robin and Jinbei (I believe it was them), that was only in the anime revealed to be Yamato.
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@wolfwood said in Chapter 1057: The End:
Y'know what never really went anywhere? That swordstealing, shapeshifting fox.
It did serve its purpose in Act II itself. The SHs had three goals there: (a) find the blueprints of Kaido's mansion; (b) recruit enough warriors for the Fire Festival; (c) find weapons for the samurai to fight with.
The twist of Act II is that everything the SHs were looking for had already been achieved by the people Wano who were left behind for 20 years (so Ashura had the blueprints, for example). And it was Gyukimaru (the fox) who collected all the swords for the samurai to fight in the Fire Festival, following the inheritted will from Kawamatsu.
It was a cute sidestory about those two to accomplish a story goal.
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@Kdom said in Chapter 1057: The End:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1057: The End:
That and the octopus at the very beginning of Wano. Like what was the point of using several panels of it slowly boarding Sunny only for it to not matter at all?
Maybe we will see him next chapter and that is how they are saved from waterfall fall
I'm actually expecting that.^^
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@Ivotas And that's how the Strawhats gained their tenth crew member
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@BellisarioFaith said in Chapter 1057: The End:
Also gotta say: what is with this weird thing of trying to push Law as "totally definitely Luffy's rival now for real!"? Like, Luffy has had way more of a "rival" dynamic with Kid all this time, so the whole attempt at "Luffy and Law and Kid are three-way-rivals and equals like they originally were at Sabaody" is just not really believable after Luffy and Law have been allies for nearly 400 chapters (almost 40% of the entire story by now) and acted more like vitriolic friends when it was just the two of them around without Kid. And hell, it's not even just Law; I always kinda liked that One Piece averted the whole "stock Shonen rival" thing by having the closest thing to a rival for Luffy be his main enemy Blackbeard, so trying to force this whole rivalry thing now with even Kid, let alone Law, this late in the story just feels hard to take seriously. Meh, sure, whatever.
The trajectories -or lack thereof - of Law and Kid over this arc feels so underwhelming to me. Their rapport doesn't feel like it has meaningfully changed, it doesn't feel like the feat they just accomplished together has really sunk in. It's just "Well, back on the road again, see ya chumps!", but as you say, Luffy and Law have been allies for 400 chapters at this point (more if you go back to Marineford), over the course of which Luffy brought down Laws bitter archnemesis, they've accomplished the goal Law laid out in Punk Hazard, you can have him be a little grateful, show a little bit of a pride and satisfaction in their feat.
And Kid entered this arc totally bitter and mistrustful of the whole alliance concept, but ended up helping bringing down two Emperors through the power of Teamwork, in an arc all about gathering allies to pull off the impossible, so you could have a beat of him showing begrudging respect to Luffy.
Like still have them bicker and macho-posture if you want, but it'd be satisfying to see a depiction of a changed relationship to Luffy, like how usually happens. I can only assume its down to them being fan favorites slated for reappearances later, rather than more arc-specific characters, but it still leaves the arc resolution flat for them, especially considering how personally invested they were. -
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Law never intended to take down Kaido, though. In Dressrosa he revealed that was a lie to bait Luffy into helping him.
His only plan was to screw Doflamingo so Kaido would kill him (Law didn’t even expect to bring Doflamingo down himself, he was expecting to die just in an attempt to make him in bad terms with Kaido so Kaido would finish the job).
I would say the fact Law sticked around after Dressrosa to help take down Kaido was already a huge show of gratitude, because he was carrying down his (originally false) promise to repay Luffy for taking down Doflamingo.
Any explicit show of gratitude would have come back then in Dressrosa (I don’t remember if it happened), not now.
As for Kid, you can see the change through his actions. There’s a point in the fight against Big Mom when he and Law say they are intending to die there only to prevent her from going help Kaido (so basically admiting Luffy was the strongest there and their place was to do what was in their power so he could succeed). I don’t think a bigger show of acknowledgement of Luffy can be given without betraying his personality.
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Been some days but I'm still deflated on the chapter and holding onto the weird hope that next chapter just makes me go all is fine.
Like Wano ending like this .... just the dread on how the big "finale" will turn out ... it's looking grim.
I guess the best I can hope for is dressrosa 2.0 where actually stuff connects even if it's overstuffed. -
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Also, I don’t remember when exactly, but there was a scene of Kid saying he felt like fighting for something different/greater than before.I’ll try to find it later.
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So that's the end ay? There were so many things about Wano enjoyed but so much of it that felt like it could have been handled so much better. The Straw Hats taking a back seat the way they did will forever taint this arc for me. I like the scabbards too just not at the expense of my precious Straw Hats.
Momo's goodbye did have me a little teary eyed. I wish that panel of Luffy saying "you mess with one of us you mess with all of us" was a double spread with the whole crew. I can see Jinbei scribbled back there but is Sanji hidden behind Luffy? I liked the moment just wish it was given more glamor.
After a while I really thought Yamato was going to be our next crew mate. A rough and tumble woman with the heart of a man is pretty neat. Though that introduction seemed sooooo last minute a part of me thought no way Oda thought of her early on like the others.
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I'm truly happy that neither Yamato or Carrot joined in. that's probably the best thing about the ending of Wano
Despite being the longest arc, it's actually very rushed while a lot of stuff didn't need to exist yet was given multiple spotlights which means there are a lot of priority issues that imo had damaged the quality of this arc severely and i got the feeling the same problem will carry on to the next saga ( hopefully not ). -
How about are you ok Kiku from Zoro after the fighting ended?. It adds to the story of Zoro seeing kiku’s arm. It adds to zoro’s character, gives it substance. Why can’t Oda understand this?. But no we had to have the AKAINU fanboy take what, 3 chapters for himself without any real payoff.
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He had to be there or else Shanks would've had no one to show off on. Pew pew distance haki!
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More than 24 hours later, and I'm still disappointed by Yamato's turn. Nothing is lost, as he (and Kin and Momo, which I did not even think about) climbed the ranks to the likes of Vivi. But for now, it feels that much buildup (not towards the other strawhats, but to us as readers) has been thrown away on a whim.
The last spread of all the Wano main cast really impressed me, though. Although numerous sacrifices seem to have been necessary for it to work, Oda managed to fit a complete sub story in his large overall narrative. Whoever read his interview with Detective Conan's Gosho Aoyama got to know, that Oda nowadays really appreciates that he can fit whatever genre he wants to tackle into One PIece. And all of us can attest that he made the most of it. Not necessarily the best, but certainly the most. These Wano characters are probabaly better than some main casts of currently running series. I wont miss them, but they were great to have around.
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@access-timeco said in Chapter 1057: The End:
Law never intended to take down Kaido, though. In Dressrosa he revealed that was a lie to bait Luffy into helping him.
His only plan was to screw Doflamingo so Kaido would kill him (Law didn’t even expect to bring Doflamingo down himself, he was expecting to die just in an attempt to make him in bad terms with Kaido so Kaido would finish the job).
I would say the fact Law sticked around after Dressrosa to help take down Kaido was already a huge show of gratitude, because he was carrying down his (originally false) promise to repay Luffy for taking down Doflamingo.
Any explicit show of gratitude would have come back then in Dressrosa (I don’t remember if it happened), not now.
Law wasn't fully honest with the Luffy and the SHs about what he wanted, no doubt, but the whole proposal of going after Kaido didn't seem like a complete lie. As in, it never felt like Law was originally gonna abandon them as soon as they took down Doffy and only changed his mind out of gratitude.
Some of his lines during Dressrosa--like telling Doflamingo he would love to see the chaos that would unfold after he's defeated, and responding to Cavendish saying "This is gonna shake everything up" with something like "Yeah, that's the plan"--do seem to indicate that he was always down for going after Kaido if he got that far; it just wasn't actually his main goal. More like, as you said, he wasn't even confident he was gonna survive Doflamingo, his top priority, to get to that point.
But when he did, it didn't feel like he was just continuing to stick with Luffy out of gratitude. It came off way more as "Oh hey cool, I actually survived Dressrosa, now we can go do the thing that we officially allied for in the first place."
(Also, iirc, there wasn't really overt gratitude (not that it was necessarily expected), mostly just giving Luffy credit for beating Doflamingo when the Heart Pirates praised Law for it, which is consistent with how he is anyway.)
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@Daz said in Chapter 1057: The End:
The trajectories -or lack thereof - of Law and Kid over this arc feels so underwhelming to me. Their rapport doesn't feel like it has meaningfully changed, it doesn't feel like the feat they just accomplished together has really sunk in. It's just "Well, back on the road again, see ya chumps!", but as you say, Luffy and Law have been allies for 400 chapters at this point (more if you go back to Marineford), over the course of which Luffy brought down Laws bitter archnemesis, they've accomplished the goal Law laid out in Punk Hazard, you can have him be a little grateful, show a little bit of a pride and satisfaction in their feat.
And Kid entered this arc totally bitter and mistrustful of the whole alliance concept, but ended up helping bringing down two Emperors through the power of Teamwork, in an arc all about gathering allies to pull off the impossible, so you could have a beat of him showing begrudging respect to Luffy.
Like still have them bicker and macho-posture if you want, but it'd be satisfying to see a depiction of a changed relationship to Luffy, like how usually happens. I can only assume its down to them being fan favorites slated for reappearances later, rather than more arc-specific characters, but it still leaves the arc resolution flat for them, especially considering how personally invested they were.Yeah, I think a lot of this sums up what was so "eh" for me. I wasn't expecting some kind of grand goodbye or anything, but even literally any acknowledgement from Luffy or Law of "hey, it was interesting working with you" after spending what was probably in-universe months hanging out would've been nice.
And in Kid's case, anything about him having an successful alliance with Luffy and Law where none of them betrayed each other and they accomplished their goal and some kind of contrast with that against toxic views on alliances from people like Kaido and Apoo (who went on about how they "always end in betrayal") coulda been something.
But nah, instead, it's pretty much just "ok bye". I mean, no doubt they're both gonna show up again at endgame if not well before that, but in the scope of their involvement in Wano, there wasn't really any kind of wrap-up, it was just, "Let's GTFOutta here!"
The "dick measuring" stuff had some amusing moments at first, like as a call-back to Sabaody but seeing how they'd changed since then, but got kinda old fast, especially since, as @desa mentioned earlier, sometimes felt out of character too. And again, that sort of "rival dick measuring" feels like a dime a dozen in Shonen, just pretty overplayed at this point, especially with a "rivalry" like this that feels pretty half-assed and like Oda tried to commit to it too far into the New World.
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@BellisarioFaith said in Chapter 1057: The End:
@Daz said in Chapter 1057: The End:
The trajectories -or lack thereof - of Law and Kid over this arc feels so underwhelming to me. Their rapport doesn't feel like it has meaningfully changed, it doesn't feel like the feat they just accomplished together has really sunk in. It's just "Well, back on the road again, see ya chumps!", but as you say, Luffy and Law have been allies for 400 chapters at this point (more if you go back to Marineford), over the course of which Luffy brought down Laws bitter archnemesis, they've accomplished the goal Law laid out in Punk Hazard, you can have him be a little grateful, show a little bit of a pride and satisfaction in their feat.
And Kid entered this arc totally bitter and mistrustful of the whole alliance concept, but ended up helping bringing down two Emperors through the power of Teamwork, in an arc all about gathering allies to pull off the impossible, so you could have a beat of him showing begrudging respect to Luffy.
Like still have them bicker and macho-posture if you want, but it'd be satisfying to see a depiction of a changed relationship to Luffy, like how usually happens. I can only assume its down to them being fan favorites slated for reappearances later, rather than more arc-specific characters, but it still leaves the arc resolution flat for them, especially considering how personally invested they were.Yeah, I think a lot of this sums up what was so "eh" for me. I wasn't expecting some kind of grand goodbye or anything, but even literally any acknowledgement from Luffy or Law of "hey, it was interesting working with you" after spending what was probably in-universe months hanging out would've been nice.
And in Kid's case, anything about him having an successful alliance with Luffy and Law where none of them betrayed each other and they accomplished their goal and some kind of contrast with that against toxic views on alliances from people like Kaido and Apoo (who went on about how they "always end in betrayal") coulda been something.
But nah, instead, it's pretty much just "ok bye". I mean, no doubt they're both gonna show up again at endgame if not well before that, but in the scope of their involvement in Wano, there wasn't really any kind of wrap-up, it was just, "Let's GTFOutta here!"
The "dick measuring" stuff had some amusing moments at first, like as a call-back to Sabaody but seeing how they'd changed since then, but got kinda old fast, especially since, as @desa mentioned earlier, sometimes felt out of character too. And again, that sort of "rival dick measuring" feels like a dime a dozen in Shonen, just pretty overplayed at this point, especially with a "rivalry" like this that feels pretty half-assed and like Oda tried to commit to it too far into the New World.
Well the reality is that law and Kidd gotta show some hostility and rivalrism towards Luffy to save some face. They’ve already showed some deference towards Luffy while fighting big mom. Kid said something about fighting for something greater (I don’t remember the exact quote but it had to do with Luffy) and law said also something in deference to Luffy, and then their unison resolve “we will not let you go up to Kaido”. They were very much deferential to Luffy, so this dick measuring goodbye is very fitting to bring things back to normal and allow kid and law to regain their equality with Luffy.
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The rivality really doesn't bother me. I don't expect big character evolution on One Piece and I like running gags so this was rather a plus than a minus for me.
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Law never intended to take down Kaido, though. In Dressrosa he revealed that was a lie to bait Luffy into helping him.
His only plan was to screw Doflamingo so Kaido would kill him (Law didn’t even expect to bring Doflamingo down himself, he was expecting to die just in an attempt to make him in bad terms with Kaido so Kaido would finish the job).
I would say the fact Law sticked around after Dressrosa to help take down Kaido was already a huge show of gratitude, because he was carrying down his (originally false) promise to repay Luffy for taking down Doflamingo.
Any explicit show of gratitude would have come back then in Dressrosa (I don’t remember if it happened), not now.
To be honest I always found Laws true/pretend plan and goals very muddled in Dressrosa, flitting between fussing over Luffy sticking to the "Sabotage SMILE supply plot" but also being willing to throw his life away to fight Doffy himself and avenge Corazon.
But ultimately, the big problem with Law in Dressrosa is that there wasn’t any real show of Gratitude towards Luffy post-Doffy defeat. Law doesn’t even have much reaction beyond a scowl once Doffy hits the dirt. And then, he just goes directly back to the continued Kaidou takedown effort which he himself put into action, which still follows his plan and directions There is no scene of him going “We beat Doflamingo and I’m still alive…what now?”; Law just accomplishes his lifelong goal for revenge and keeps trucking along the plot-road without missing a beat. And now, after accomplishing what he and Luffy agreed on way back in Punk hazard, it’s the same deal again. “We just toppled two emperors, and thus a lot of the established power structure of the world? Eh. Whatevs. See ya later”.
Even if we buy that the Kaidou Takedown Scheme started as a lie, the fact that they ultimately pulled it off could lend itself to a cathartic little button on Law – “Back then, it was just a ruse…I expected to die…but to think…we actually pulled it off!”
As for Kid, you can see the change through his actions. There’s a point in the fight against Big Mom when he and Law say they are intending to die there only to prevent her from going help Kaido (so basically admiting Luffy was the strongest there and their place was to do what was in their power so he could succeed). I don’t think a bigger show of acknowledgement of Luffy can be given without betraying his personality.
I don’t remember the specifics of that moment beyond “If Big Mom rejoins Kaiou we all lose!”, but what I’m asking for specifically are moments actually dramatizing a change in Kid, rather than just being inferred by the matchup itself- if you’re saying that Kid is admitting that Luffy is the strongest there that’s a big deal for him, you could make a meal out of showing how pissed off Kid is about admitting Luffy is the strongest, and how he entrusts the win to him. Regardless, once Kaidou is down, Kids reaction is (much like Law) not much of anything, and theres not much sense of a changed perspective once he actually interacts with Luffy afterward.
To be clear I’m not saying the macho dick measuring needs to go, I’m just saying it would’ve been cool to have something, anything as an emotional, narrative payoff to two of the biggest pieces of fanservice supporting characters in the arc. I’m not saying they have to go über tsundere or even BFFs, though theres a tried and true and extremely popular history of standoffish jerks being redeemed into closer allies in not just fiction, but manga in particular. But like, if Wiper can end up screaming for Luffy to ring the bell or Smoker can acknowledge that the Straw Hats saved his life and saved Alabasta, you could have some sort of moment of Kid going “Hey!...Don’t let anyone else but me kill you!” or have Kids appreciativeness for the alliances established by proxy through Killer because Kid would never say so himself. You can easily keep them as “rivals” and have moments that reflect the monumental ordeal they’ve been through and what they’ve accomplished through the power of teamwork- especially when you overtly establish that Kid has become suspicious of teamwork, within the Lets All Team Up arc.
Just sort of “inferring” that Law and Kid are now different in the absence of the story putting in the time to dramatize it (I know, I’m using that word a lot lately, but it’s pertinent) doesn’t really work for me.
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Well Yamato's build-up for joining the crew basically amounted to 'I wanna join, guys', so it's actually very fitting that the conclusion is 'nah, nevermind'. Really just Poochie from beginning to end, complete with 'sorry, my planet needs me'.
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@Sengokusgoat said in Chapter 1057: The End:
Really just Poochie from beginning to end, complete with 'sorry, my planet needs me'.
I laughed hard. Really.
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@Sengokusgoat said in Chapter 1057: The End:
Well Yamato's build-up for joining the crew basically amounted to 'I wanna join, guys', so it's actually very fitting that the conclusion is 'nah, nevermind'. Really just Poochie from beginning to end, complete with 'sorry, my planet needs me'.
A little narrator textbox in the second to last page of the last One Piece chapter will inform us that Yamato drowned while trying to leave Wano.
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@Sengokusgoat as an Ace traditionalist it hurts me to see another refered to as Poochie. But alas every generation shall have their own Poochie
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@wolfwood
As bad as Ace is, Sabo is honestly worse in quite a few regards. Ace for one wasn't as big of a Luffy fanboy. -
@Bugs ??? Pretty sure Ace gushed about Luffy plenty. With Yamato and then the Whitebeard Pirates.