In that case it's not a strawman, I just misinterpreted your argument.
But okay, I see we agree on almost everything so maybe I was lost in my own interpretation of what you wrote.
Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
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One of the reasons I have trouble with Yamato is the whole Oden identity debacle. I constantly wonder if something is Yamato's wish or a wish of Yamoden. As we met Yamato, we didn't know for how long this whole Oden-hero-worship-to-the-point-of-taking-on-the-idols-identity has been going on. (And I have to be honest at this point: the hero-worship to the point of denying their own identity was a huge turn off for me. It neither managed to make me like the character nor endear him to me in any way or form. Instead, it left a lingering bitter taste.) Chapters later we learn that Yamato started to identify as Oden as a child. So, it's safe to assume that it has going on for roughly 20 years now! That's a very long time. And I just wonder what behaviour we have seen of Yamato is Yamato and what is Yamoden.
Another issue I am wondering about iswhat Yamato's dream is supposed to be?
They want to protect Wano from Kaido and open Wanos border because of what is written in Oden's journal. Once the raid is over Kaido should be defeated and/or leave Wano giving whoever takes over as a leader - I will not participate in the discussion of who should be shogun - the change to open the borders of Wano. You could say: mission accomplished!What does this leave to Yamato?
Leaving with Luffy? But why? Because Luffy is so similar in his beliefs and views to Roger, who's they learned through the journal? So they are following Luffy, because he is like a person they read about? For me, that's more than just a little shallow.
Or do they want to travel in Roger and Oden's footprints? Make the same journey? Visit the same places? See the same things? That's….lame? That's trying to relive another person's life for me.If the Yamato under the Oden surface wishes to leave and have adventures on the sea Luffy and the Strawhats aren't needed. I don't see any reason, that says it must be the strawhats. Yamato can join up with anybody they want.
Maybe I am reading it wrong, but the whole reasoning behind why Yamato wish to leave with Luffy is up to two points:
- Oden travelled with Roger -> Yamato is Oden -> should travel with Roger -> Roger is dead -> should travel with Ace because he was Roger's son -> Ace is dead -> travel with Luffy because he is Ace's brother. That's the explanation we got right in one of the first chapters with Yamato. I never liked that reasoning because it felt like Yamato didn't appreciate Luffy as a person, but he was more of a makeshift because the person he really wishes to travel with isn't available.
- Oden wrote something about Roger in his journal and as Ace talked about Luffy they recognized the similarity between Roger and Luffy. But unfortunately, this once again makes me feel like Yamato doesn't see Luffy as his own person.
I know all of this is more or less based on my feelings and the bad first impression I got from Yamato as Oda introduced them. Because Oda really did butch the introduction of them for me. I couldn't feel the excitement others felt about this new character that appeared and looked like the perfect new and last crew member. Like I already said the Oden-imitation was a huge downturner for me. Neither design nor fighting style does anything for me. Devil fruit - with the whole "Oh, hey that's a deity of Wano" but we never heard of it - is just another mess. And the connection with Ace is nothing special in this arc. (Ace feels like glue for this arc with how often Oda uses him.) Do I feel sorry for Yamato because of what they went through as a child and later on… eh, maybe? I can't say it.
All I can say is that nothing Oda has shown of Yamato has been able to redeem the first impression and the resulting negative feeling I got for this character so far. It's a hard verdict, but it is how it is. I won't try to convince anybody to join my side.Personal I would prefer it if Yamato first leaves and figures out who and what they want to be! Have some adventures on their own.
If they end up joining they will - probably - for the longest time be my least favourite Strawhat. I would even be willing to take Tama over Yamato, even though I stand by "No-children-on-a-pirate-ship". And that is just one of the many, many characters I would prefer over the new perfect crewmember Yamato.Gosh, I already start to sound bitter.
I will stop now.
Take that however you will. Most of what I have written here are personal feelings and opinions.Originally Posted by Cyan D. Funk in Spoilerthreat from Chapter 579
"Did I fire six shots or only five? Well, do you feel lucky punk?"
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One of the reasons I have trouble with Yamato is the whole Oden identity debacle. I constantly wonder if something is Yamato's wish or a wish of Yamoden. As we met Yamato, we didn't know for how long this whole Oden-hero-worship-to-the-point-of-taking-on-the-idols-identity has been going on. (And I have to be honest at this point: the hero-worship to the point of denying their own identity was a huge turn off for me. It neither managed to make me like the character nor endear him to me in any way or form. Instead, it left a lingering bitter taste.) Chapters later we learn that Yamato started to identify as Oden as a child. So, it's safe to assume that it has going on for roughly 20 years now! That's a very long time. And I just wonder what behaviour we have seen of Yamato is Yamato and what is Yamoden.
Another issue I am wondering about iswhat Yamato's dream is supposed to be?
They want to protect Wano from Kaido and open Wanos border because of what is written in Oden's journal. Once the raid is over Kaido should be defeated and/or leave Wano giving whoever takes over as a leader - I will not participate in the discussion of who should be shogun - the change to open the borders of Wano. You could say: mission accomplished!Seeing as how Yamato wanted to be Oden to carry on Oden's will and save Wano after he got killed, as well as wanting freedom like how he had freedom, then I've figured that she'll be less inclined to be Oden by the time Kaido is defeated. I've also figured that her post-Wano dream might have to do with liberation, in light of the Nika detail of helping slaves out and that possibly being relevant to Joy Boy, not to mention Momo's lack of context regarding why Joy Boy is so relevant to Wano and Oden's agenda of wanting to open Wano for Joy Boy in the first place.
I say all that. I can't prove it though.
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One of the reasons I have trouble with Yamato is the whole Oden identity debacle. I constantly wonder if something is Yamato's wish or a wish of Yamoden. As we met Yamato, we didn't know for how long this whole Oden-hero-worship-to-the-point-of-taking-on-the-idols-identity has been going on. (And I have to be honest at this point: the hero-worship to the point of denying their own identity was a huge turn off for me. It neither managed to make me like the character nor endear him to me in any way or form. Instead, it left a lingering bitter taste.) Chapters later we learn that Yamato started to identify as Oden as a child. So, it's safe to assume that it has going on for roughly 20 years now! That's a very long time. And I just wonder what behaviour we have seen of Yamato is Yamato and what is Yamoden.
Am I misremembering something? When did Yamato deny the existence of Kaido's child named Yamato?
Another issue I am wondering about iswhat Yamato's dream is supposed to be?
Seeing through what Roger and Oden were too early for, or completing Oden's journal again would be my guess. Just like Luffy doesn't care about the true history and Robin might not care about making things right, we would have someone who wants to actually do the thing Whitebeard warned Sengoku of.
They want to protect Wano from Kaido and open Wanos border because of what is written in Oden's journal. Once the raid is over Kaido should be defeated and/or leave Wano giving whoever takes over as a leader - I will not participate in the discussion of who should be shogun - the change to open the borders of Wano. You could say: mission accomplished!
What does this leave to Yamato?
Or do they want to travel in Roger and Oden's footprints? Make the same journey? Visit the same places? See the same things? That's….lame? That's trying to relive another person's life for me.
I rearranged your post here a bit because I can address the middle part with a different one. But for this one: be a free person after being imprisoned for most of his life, going on adventures and exploring the wide world, as he has said multiple times. I don't see why Yamato would retrace Oden's journey step by step though.
Leaving with Luffy? But why? Because Luffy is so similar in his beliefs and views to Roger, who's they learned through the journal? So they are following Luffy, because he is like a person they read about? For me, that's more than just a little shallow.
If the Yamato under the Oden surface wishes to leave and have adventures on the sea Luffy and the Strawhats aren't needed. I don't see any reason, that says it must be the strawhats. Yamato can join up with anybody they want.- Oden wrote something about Roger in his journal and as Ace talked about Luffy they recognized the similarity between Roger and Luffy. But unfortunately, this once again makes me feel like Yamato doesn't see Luffy as his own person.
All Straw Hats could've tried their luck on a different crew. They don't need Luffy to accomplish their goal, but rather they see following him as the best chance they have. Because they all believe in Luffy, because he helped them overcome their personal struggles and wholeheartedly trust him. And so does Yamato. Yamato believes with all his heart that Luffy is the person Oden has been waiting for. Yamato thinks it's an act of fate that the long lost remnants of the Kozuki clan brought Luffy of all pirates to Wano, to finally get rid of Kaido. And Luffy will be the person to finally free Yamato of both his physical and mental shackles. I wouldn't call any of that shallow.
Maybe I am reading it wrong, but the whole reasoning behind why Yamato wish to leave with Luffy is up to two points:
- Oden travelled with Roger -> Yamato is Oden -> should travel with Roger -> Roger is dead -> should travel with Ace because he was Roger's son -> Ace is dead -> travel with Luffy because he is Ace's brother. That's the explanation we got right in one of the first chapters with Yamato. I never liked that reasoning because it felt like Yamato didn't appreciate Luffy as a person, but he was more of a makeshift because the person he really wishes to travel with isn't available.
Yamato never knew that Ace was Roger's son. But yes, at first that was Yamato's reasoning for asking to let him get on board. Until Yamato found out that Momonosuke and the Akazaya actually survived, that they're here to defeat Kaido and that Luffy of all people brought them here. Then Luffy removed Yamato's handcuffs (which makes me wonder how he planned on leaving without dealing with those first), and soon will finally do what even Oden didn't manage to do.
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So, anyway, I think the most recent chapter adds a little more clarity to how Momo will be developing as a character going forward, in that he'll stick up for himself more as the shogun he wants to be instead of having to be babied more and more, with Kinemon showing that he is willing to disagree with Momo even if he is Oden's son, but also seems to show a willingness of fighting for Momo in a way that Yamato hasn't.
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I find it funny no one thinks Momo is joining
I mean I assume it has to do with everyone assuming he'll become Shogun, but I find it hard to believe if he was an attractive girl that would be the same
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I find it funny no one thinks Momo is joining
I mean I assume it has to do with everyone assuming he'll become Shogun, but I find it hard to believe if he was an attractive girl that would be the same
The only people I've seen thinking Momo will join are people assuming he's too much of a cowardly manchild who's not meant to develop into someone brave and worthy enough to actually be shogun, despite prior scenes like Luffy telling Momo he has nothing to be afraid of after biting an Emperor, and then he'll only do so after traveling with Luffy for more arcs.
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I don’t think he’ll join, I just expected there to be someone who thought he would
It would be cool to see what move sets Oda would give a mad scientist like Vegapunk if he joined the crew, he has so much insane creativity I can’t even imagine the machines and devices Oda would give him, I mean just look how creative he is with pop greens
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I don’t think he’ll join, I just expected there to be someone who thought he would
Yeah, I mean after all, Momo has been around since 2012. If someone is meant to tell me that all the chapters Momo has been in so far haven't nearly been enough to help develop him into someone brave and worthy enough to be shogun, and that we're meant to expect that he's to be babied by people like Yamato or Luffy as opposed to stepping up more himself, then that's something I pretty much take as a disappointing waste of time, for how much time was invested into his character beforehand and coming to the realization that that time didn't do much of anything.
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I find it funny no one thinks Momo is joining
I mean I assume it has to do with everyone assuming he'll become Shogun, but I find it hard to believe if he was an attractive girl that would be the same
It has to do with what the manga says. It's probably different people here but hard to not be confused how people can go momo won't become shogun and yams will stay as a guardian when both are exactly opposite of what is currently stated in the text.
Momo WANTS to fill his father's shoes, protect Wano and fulfill his duty as Shogun. He FEARS he is unworthy and imo he NEEDS to learn that he doesn't need to become his father but that he himself can protect Wano in his own way.
Now this is mostly in counter to criticizing people mostly sticking to the text for their conclusions because god knows this place is super bad at actually understanding the text and imo theories would be better for it if people understood that first before they make wilder assumptions. Basically I'm mostly saying this that there is nothing funny about going with the most obvious conclusion.That said if we're strictly talking possibilities while I think it's unlikely right now but I don't think it's impossible that Momo learns that he needs to make the journey too, to actually protect Wano and leaves it to his retainers to deal with the immediate aftermath and mirroring his father.
It's not hard to picture that being a thing. That said to me when I look at his character story Momo isn't meant to mirror his father 1 for 1 and any action that will make him more similar to his father I think is done with consideration. When I look at Momo's story it's meant to contrast his father, meaning that readers should particularly be attentive to the differences between Momo and his father. Momo isn't meant to become Oden 2.0 in my opinion but become someone great in his very own regard that has no need to measure up to Oden. -
I stick to my old reading: Yamato and Momo are going to both inherit Oden's will, resolving its inherent contradiction by splitting it in two, with one one going out to sea and solving Laugh Tale 's mistery and the other protecting Wano.
Mirroring each other, Momo who was born on a pirate ship and has spent most of his recent life on the run will find some peace in his homeland, while Yamato who's been stuck prisoner on the same island for all of his life gets to roam free at last.
It's just fits all to well to not be what it's going for, but I'm ready to be surprised, for better or worse.Curiosity has its own reason for existing
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I stick to my old reading: Yamato and Momo are going to both inherit Oden's will, resolving its inherent contradiction by splitting it in two, with one one going out to sea and solving Laugh Tale 's mistery and the other protecting Wano.
Mirroring each other, Momo who was born on a pirate ship and has spent most of his recent life on the run will find some peace in his homeland, while Yamato who's been stuck prisoner on the same island for all of his life gets to roam free at last.
It's just fits all to well to not be what it's going for, but I'm ready to be surprised, for better or worse.I find it a bit strange when ppl don’t see this angle.
Especially when they go for narratives that don’t even exist in the story i.e. Yamato has to resolve some identity issue about being Oden and Yamato has to put his dreams aside to be some sort of guide to Momo when Yamato isn’t even necessary for that or really qualified.
It has to do with what the manga says. It's probably different people here but hard to not be confused how people can go momo won't become shogun and yams will stay as a guardian when both are exactly opposite of what is currently stated in the text.
This is a good point especially since in this thread you have ppl trying their hardest to come up with support for Yamato will stay on Wano as a guardian or as Momo’s retainer where as nobody is really behind Momo for joining since that directly contradicts the need for Yamato to stay on Wano.
It’s a highly unlikely scenario where Momo leaves and Yamato for w/e reason stays.
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I'm curious if there are other people that are starting to consider the possibility of Momo tagging along with the SHs after Wano. I'm not saying it's particularly likely right now, but it seems to me atleast alot more plausible than continuing to beat the the dead rabbit that is Carrot at this point.
We have, on multiple occasions, been reminded that Momo is the one that will lead the world to its dawn. But the whole dawn thing is also heavily linked to the Strawhats, and i think most people feel like it's connected to whatever is on Laugh Tale. Alot of this will depend on how the story proceeds after Wano so predictions are a bit dicey, but personally i feel like we might enter the endgame alot sooner than alot of people think. And Momo is seemingly irreplaceably a part of it.
This would also "solve" the problem of Yamato's bonding almost solely with Momo (which i agree is uncharacteristic for a future SH). They'll simply both tag along.
I'm a long-time lurker of these threads, and i was really surprised that this isn't even a discussion point considering how strongly Carrot for nakama is still discussed on here.
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I suppose lending a little more weight to the idea of Yamato being sake brewer/bartender would be related to the oni of Japanese myth, Shuten-dōji, whom had a big fondness for sake and would even go on drunken rages. I dunno where Kaido gets his sake from, but going by how he always seems to have sake around him, and the sake brewing device that was near Yamato when Ace visited, then it may be possible Kaido forced Yamato to brew sake for him, and even brewed some of her own on her own time like with Ace.
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I mean, what pirate crew doesn't have someone in charge of the booze? :ninja:
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I mean, what pirate crew doesn't have someone in charge of the booze? :ninja:
I had figured Yamato would be in a combat sort of role, but that said, bartender/brewer seems to have more weight behind it than logbook keeper. I don't recall brewer being a position on previous crews, though Chapter 929 presented the idea of a "master brewer" for what it's worth.
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I had figured Yamato would be in a combat sort of role, but that said, bartender/brewer seems to have more weight behind it than logbook keeper. I don't recall brewer being a position on previous crews, though Chapter 929 presented the idea of a "master brewer" for what it's worth.
Bartenders in One Piece
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! Another interesting fact is that WB is modelled after a bartender whom Oda respects
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I think Apprentice would be the best position for Yamato.
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Well, Jinbro replaced Franky as the daddy in their family roles.
Perhaps the reason a Vice-Captain was never confirmed, was because the crew had mostly been incomplete.
But a full crew needs a vice-captain, is time for Zoro to raise, and Yamato would be taking the Combatant position.
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In sake brewing, a Toji [master brewer] is the chief executive of production. In the olden days, sake brewing served as a type of seasonal work for farmers in the agricultural off-season, the winter; the rice-growing season was from Spring to Autumn. A person who produces sake is referred to as a Kurabito or sake brewery worker. The person who overseas the team of brewery workers is the Toji. Furthermore, a Toji is also the name given to a guild of skilled craftspeople, but a single brewery only ever hires one Toji.
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@$;4180968']In sake brewing, a Toji [master brewer] is the chief executive of production. In the olden days, sake brewing served as a type of seasonal work for farmers in the agricultural off-season, the winter; the rice-growing season was from Spring to Autumn. A person who produces sake is referred to as a Kurabito or sake brewery worker. The person who overseas the team of brewery workers is the Toji. Furthermore, a Toji is also the name given to a guild of skilled craftspeople, but a single brewery only ever hires one Toji.
If a number of the people Kaido had killed happened to be sake brewers, then that’s what might have led to Yamato gaining any brewing skills she has.
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I think Chronicler would be a good job for Yamato. But again the real bold move would be First Mate.
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No one is ever gonna be called a brewer this is a series designed for 13 year olds.
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The manga literally hasn't even ever stated that Yamato is a sake brewer
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The manga literally hasn't even ever stated that Yamato is a sake brewer
I figured this much. Maybe this title is relevant to Yamato's occupation, maybe it isn't:
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I figured this much. Maybe this title is relevant to Yamato's occupation, maybe it isn't:
If I remember correctly that was just a reference to a poem.
Besides, if Yamato was a brewer, being also Kaido's offspring… He'd have to be a drunkard -
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Besides, if Yamato was a brewer, being also Kaido's offspring… He'd have to be a drunkard
I mean, Yamato doesn't have to go as wild with drinking as Kaido does. It would be interesting what a drunken mode from Yamato would look like though. lol
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It's in Shonen Jump. It IS designed for 13 year olds. Even if older readers can enjoy it.
That's not what I was questioning. We have a crewmember who can sniff out booze from far away, sake cups playing a role in both present and past relationships of the protagonist, a song that most characters seem to know that directly references alcohol and is theorized to be connected to the One Piece, the current antagonist is known for being drunk and even getting a powerup from it. But having someone who brews alcohol on board is not appropriate for a 13 year old target audience? Or is there some pun with "brewer" that I don't understand?
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I still want my logia crewmember :sad:
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That's not what I was questioning. We have a crewmember who can sniff out booze from far away, sake cups playing a role in both present and past relationships of the protagonist, a song that most characters seem to know that directly references alcohol and is theorized to be connected to the One Piece, the current antagonist is known for being drunk and even getting a powerup from it. But having someone who brews alcohol on board is not appropriate for a 13 year old target audience? Or is there some pun with "brewer" that I don't understand?
Also, maybe it's a stretch, but in the chapter Yamato is first referenced, I noticed these panels:
I also noticed that the alcohol device Zoro holds is almost the same as the one near Yamato and Ace:
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Also, maybe it's a stretch, but in the chapter Yamato is first referenced, I noticed these panels:
https://i.imgur.com/H0DCe9f.jpg
I also noticed that the alcohol device Zoro holds is almost the same as the one near Yamato and Ace:
Great CoO you have there. Applause
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That's not what I was questioning. We have a crewmember who can sniff out booze from far away, sake cups playing a role in both present and past relationships of the protagonist, a song that most characters seem to know that directly references alcohol and is theorized to be connected to the One Piece, the current antagonist is known for being drunk and even getting a powerup from it. But having someone who brews alcohol on board is not appropriate for a 13 year old target audience? Or is there some pun with "brewer" that I don't understand?
Yes, but said sake is limited to allusions, we almost never see Zoro downing a shot, and alcohol use is very rare on the series, the only explicit example I can think of is Whitebeard drinking sake (and even then Oda threw in someone telling him it's bad for his health).
There are limits to how much you will be depicting alcohol usage in a shonen-targeting franchise.
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Nah, it's a series a for 15 year old males, rather.
I mean sure, 15 yr olds are still too young for liquor in Japan.
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I mean sure, 15 yr olds are still too young for liquor in Japan.
Yeah, I'm sure many others agree over there.
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Is there that big of a difference between 13 and 15, fellas?
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Alright, so let's add a new ingredient to this pot:
Based on the last few chapters, there is an increasing possibility (at least imo) that Oda is planning to end this battle without the Wano citizenship knowing of it. Certain things kinda point to this imho, things like Oda going out of his way to have Big Mom go down in a conspicuously silent explosion, or having the citizens drunkenly talk about how great it would be if if they just woke up to a liberated Wano with the Kozuki being back.
So if this possibility happens, the citizens would have zero reason to know about Yamato's role in taking down Kaido, meaning that there's a nonzero probability that he's not going to be accepted as guardian anything (because he's an Oni after all, AND Kaido's son), would this increase his chances of having to join the SHs? Keep in mind that Oda also made it so Momo would look like a spitting image of Oden himself, so to the average Wanoese person nursing a hangover, it's really gonna feel like the good old days are back.
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@$;4181034']Great CoO you have there. Applause
Heh, suffice to say, I'm interested in seeing what the scenery will be when Luffy finishes this.
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Yes, but said sake is limited to allusions, we almost never see Zoro downing a shot, and alcohol use is very rare on the series, the only explicit example I can think of is Whitebeard drinking sake (and even then Oda threw in someone telling him it's bad for his health).
There are limits to how much you will be depicting alcohol usage in a shonen-targeting franchise.
So your issue is on-screen drinking but allusions are okay? Because by that logic Yamato becoming a brewer isn't an issue, especially since we probably wouldn't see it often, the same way we hardly ever see Nami drawing maps, tending to her tangerines, Chopper researching stuff, Sanji actually cooking and not just serving stuff, Franky repairing the ship, …
Also, alcohol use in the series is pretty common. Nami outdrank at least 14 people on Whiskey Peak where we also saw Zoro, Usopp and Sanji drink, right before Thriller Bark they were gushing over the "treasure offering" saying that they should drink it and that alcohol stirred by the waves is especially tasty, Luffy tried to force an entire barrel of booze into an unconscious Zoro's mouth at the end of Thriller Bark, and most arcs end in a giant party where we repeatedly see the Straw Hats raise their glasses and drink.
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I stick to my old reading: Yamato and Momo are going to both inherit Oden's will, resolving its inherent contradiction by splitting it in two, with one one going out to sea and solving Laugh Tale 's mistery and the other protecting Wano.
Mirroring each other, Momo who was born on a pirate ship and has spent most of his recent life on the run will find some peace in his homeland, while Yamato who's been stuck prisoner on the same island for all of his life gets to roam free at last.
It's just fits all to well to not be what it's going for, but I'm ready to be surprised, for better or worse.This reading, plus its counterpart (Yamato and Momo being the two halfs of Kaido's combat abilities, the dragon and the kanabo) completing the circle about fathers and sons fits too perfectly. Plus Kaido being the "false" guardian deity and Yamato being the "true" one and Momo becoming both shogun and embracing his dragon abilities to the fullest while the Wano nation can finally rely on a giant ass dragon instead of being afraid of it would be the cherry on top. Would also be really cool if both Momo and Yamato reflect aspects of Kaido's personality and how it was shaped as well, like people endlessly theorized about Kaido being a scaredy-cat like Momo when he was young, but since Kaido's flashback seems more and more out of reach, maybe that's something that we will need to fill the blanks off ourselves.
This, to me, is way more important that the ship role discussion. Apprentice would be fitting and hilarious when it comes to the reactions of other people/factions (a la Jinbe/Zoro), sake brewing/bartender to serve some drinks for that final whole world party, adventurer like Oden, ship guard, combatant if Zoro officially becomes the vice-captain… I can easily see Oda approaching not one but multiple positions even if Yamato goes to hold only one "officially".
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I always thought that, at this point, we really dont need any ship position/role to determine new nakama. Their characterization, design, plot, abilities etc are way more important than that.
Because on other crewmembers, even the small ones like Blackbeard they dont even have clear roles. Like, what position does Catarina Devon etc fulfill rather than another combatant? Come to think of it, even Zoro doesnt have a clear role. Especially now when we're nearing the endgame, where firepower is more important than anything. Because, when you're gonna fight the world's big wig, we dont need navigation etc, we need combat improvements!
So if next crew member doesnt have a clear role, ehh its not a big deal. More firepower is good.
"No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk.." - Venat
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So your issue is on-screen drinking but allusions are okay? Because by that logic Yamato becoming a brewer isn't an issue, especially since we probably wouldn't see it often, the same way we hardly ever see Nami drawing maps, tending to her tangerines, Chopper researching stuff, Sanji actually cooking and not just serving stuff, Franky repairing the ship, …
Also, alcohol use in the series is pretty common. Nami outdrank at least 14 people on Whiskey Peak where we also saw Zoro, Usopp and Sanji drink, right before Thriller Bark they were gushing over the "treasure offering" saying that they should drink it and that alcohol stirred by the waves is especially tasty, Luffy tried to force an entire barrel of booze into an unconscious Zoro's mouth at the end of Thriller Bark, and most arcs end in a giant party where we repeatedly see the Straw Hats raise their glasses and drink.
Saying that depicting alcohol usage in a series targeted at adolescent boys should be limited is also questionable when we see one of the protagonists constantly smokeIt's not my issue, I personally don't give a flip what imaginary characters do on a series I don't write.
But it's something that makes it so the idea of a "brewer" on the crew is very likely to never happen, not to mention that there's zero set up for it anyways so I don't really get why you're so twisted up about it.
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It's not my issue, I personally don't give a flip what imaginary characters do on a series I don't write.
But it's something that makes it so the idea of a "brewer" on the crew is very likely to never happen, not to mention that there's zero set up for it anyways so I don't really get why you're so twisted up about it.
I'm not twisted up about it, I simply disagree with the notion that this series is trying to sell the message "alcohol = bad" or that it's trying not to show alcohol consumption, because that's not at all what has happened across the series. I don't think that Yamato will be the crew's brewer or that there's been enough setup for it either. I'm just pointing out that your argument of the intended target audience doesn't make sense.
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Luffy is going to get even cooler with the new Commander Trio he'll receive after Wano.
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Alright, so let's add a new ingredient to this pot:
Based on the last few chapters, there is an increasing possibility (at least imo) that Oda is planning to end this battle without the Wano citizenship knowing of it. Certain things kinda point to this imho, things like Oda going out of his way to have Big Mom go down in a conspicuously silent explosion.
You have to keep in mind that the citizens of Wano have no concept of Yonko or Big Mom.
A fat old woman falling from the sky wouldn't be met by anything other than confusion. Hence why Tama didn't react when she found her unconscious on the beach.
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It's not my issue, I personally don't give a flip what imaginary characters do on a series I don't write.
But it's something that makes it so the idea of a "brewer" on the crew is very likely to never happen, not to mention that there's zero set up for it anyways so I don't really get why you're so twisted up about it.
This comes from a debate about Yamato having to have a role within the crew for them to follow the trend we've seen with the rest. And brewers been put forward as a suggestion.
I'm not invested on that idea.
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You have to keep in mind that the citizens of Wano have no concept of Yonko or Big Mom.
A fat old woman falling from the sky wouldn't be met by anything other than confusion. Hence why Tama didn't react when she found her unconscious on the beach.
True, yonkos have no significance in Wano, but remember that Big Mom's downfall was accompanied with one massive fucking explosion (that Oda conveniently made completely silent), the big question everyone would have had was "what the fuck is happening there?" followed immediately by "oh fuck a flaming skull island is headed our way".
But Oda is seemingly going out of his way to have this battle occur without anyone in the capital noticing.
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I mean, lot of people do believe in Toki's last words, and several of them knew there was a secret rebellion going on, we've seen some random Wano-kunians discussing those recruitments and the black moon mark.
So in fact, the people of Wano should actually know there's a huge battle going on, they just dont know it was happening mid-air the whole time.
