Chapter 1,042: The Victor Needs No Epithet
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As a non Japanese speaker, can somebody explain why the official chose to go with epithet which simple just means title or nickname? I’m more confused about what the saying even means now.
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Wait a minute! When Kaido bites Luffy, half his body looks like his hybrid form, since we can see his torso, chest and his arms are close to his head, but the rest of the body is the large dragon form.
Haha, he actually has a Porunga-look alike transformation, that's neat.
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As a non Japanese speaker, can somebody explain why the official chose to go with epithet which simple just means title or nickname? I’m more confused about what the saying even means now.
An epithet is a nickname or descriptive term that's added to someone's name that becomes part of common usage. For example, in the name Alexander the Great, “the Great” is an epithet.
So in this case, "They don't need to be calledthe Strong Samurai" or "The Stubborn Samurai". If they keep getting beaten it doesn't matter what you call them because it's meaningless. So, what are you Luffy? Are you actually strong or just calling yourself tough?
Except in a single word balloon.
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I'll repeat here what I wrote in the Spoiler thread:
- After considering Toki, Tama, and Chopper, I think the legendary Devil Fruit is Kaido's
- All the hints towards Luffy's fruit are misdirections
- Kaido's DF has been getting attention since before Wano started, first with Big Mom talking about a "favor" he owes her just before Act 1.
- When Kaido's DF name was revealed as a Fish Fish Fruit, readers were all trying to make sense of it. Maybe because the name doesn't fit.
- We also learned Kaido got his DF in God Valley, so it was probably a carefully hidden secret of the Celestial Dragons.
- CP-0 reminding us that Momo's fruit is a failure, despite it working perfectly (it seems), indicates there's something about it that Vegapunk couldn't replicate.
- Kaido talking about Luffy's bending attacks and saying Rubber can't do that is also a misdirection. Soon after, he learns how Luffy does it and copies the bending attacks in his dragon form, showing that they are not reliant in Luffy's DF, but on some other principle.
- CP-0 was given the order to eliminate Luffy because the Elders feels Kaido being pushed to his limit may awaken his DF, an event they are deeply afraid off. Also, they don't think it's possible to kill Kaido.
- However, CP-0 intervening will send Kaido into a traumatic shock, and he will go berzerk, awakening his power for the first time in centuries.
- Eastern dragons can control the weather. So, I think Kaido's secret power is essentially controlling huge island-sized (or bigger) storms. What's the name of the Sky God? Uranus.
- Berzerk Kaido, seeing he lost all his forces and the chance of a true fight, just decides to destroy the entirety of Wano.
- Luffy's defeat may or may not mean Act 3 ends/Act 4 begins.
As a non Japanese speaker, can somebody explain why the official chose to go with epithet which simple just means title or nickname? I’m more confused about what the saying even means now.
In the fans translation it's "the victor needs no excuses".
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Kaido is a smart dude. He'll find it weird an agent of the world government would rather have him win over Luffy. I can't wait for the next chapter. Only for Oda to focus on some garbage inside Onigashima.
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Kaido looks so genuinly upset at the end.
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An epithet is a nickname or descriptive term that's added to someone's name that becomes part of common usage. For example, in the name Alexander the Great, “the Great” is an epithet.
So in this case, "They don't need to be calledthe Strong Samurai" or "The Stubborn Samurai". If they keep getting beaten it doesn't matter what you call them because it's meaningless. So, what are you Luffy? Are you actually strong or just calling yourself tough?
Except in a single word balloon.
I get it after your explanation and context of what kaido is saying but that just sounds…weird.
When were the samurai given an epithet as a group? Is the context supposed to be when luffy says the samurai are strong?Edit: never mind about answering. I get the gist, but the epithet stuff just seems to be worded weird for me.
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I doubt it would be the case, but I do wonder if it's possible that Luffy won't be the one to defeat Kaido in this arc. Kaido will fall by some other means and this arc will ultimately show that Luffy can take a Yonko on one v one, but not quite ready to beat one. Highly unlikely, but a thought that popped into my mind. That said, obviously Kaido not happy that his fight was interrupted, and something is about to go down next chapter. Hopefully we don't go to a different focus next chapter since I am finally interested in what is going to happen next in this arc.
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Yea I saw the scans, but these Two things (the official and scan) don’t mean the same thing yet come from the same source.
I think rather than "epithet" or "excuse", perhaps a better way of saying it would be "qualifier".
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@The:
I doubt it would be the case, but I do wonder if it's possible that Luffy won't be the one to defeat Kaido in this arc. Kaido will fall by some other means and this arc will ultimately show that Luffy can take a Yonko on one v one, but not quite ready to beat one. Highly unlikely, but a thought that popped into my mind. That said, obviously Kaido not happy that his fight was interrupted, and something is about to go down next chapter. Hopefully we don't go to a different focus next chapter since I am finally interested in what is going to happen next in this arc.
I think the big finisher will come from Zunesha. A continent-sized strike to end Kaido. The trick will be how to push him away from Wano and into the elephant's range.
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Between his team going down and having to mess in a fight with an emperor I hope that guy with the mask gets a bonus for Wano. But I have no idea why he was so offended by Drake attack when they have been trying to kill him.
I'm ready to move to the next stage of the Kaido fight. Luffy doing a bunch of yell inducing but with little impact attacks has run its course for me.
Luffy has been a lot more interested in the populace lately I feel. Both when Rebecca was talking about the poor living conditions of the samurai and now about the people starving from mistreatment. In not too long Luffy will be ready to be a bonafide world hero.
I wish we would keep the official more conversional and layman. I prefer "Winners need no excuse" over "victor needs no epithet". The first is a lot more easier to get right away.
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I think the big finisher will come from Zunesha. A continent-sized strike to end Kaido. The trick will be how to push him away from Wano and into the elephant's range.
Only thing that seems weird about that is that Jack has already tanked a Zunesha hit if I recall correctly.
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Only thing that seems weird about that is that Jack has already tanked a Zunesha hit if I recall correctly.
We can kidn of argue that Jack was inside the ship and didn't took the hit directly, and there was no fight to wear him off before the final blow. But, anyway, he would be dead if he wasn't half-fishman and there was no one to save him from the ocean.
Zunesha having the final hit just gives that oomph needed to convince people that Kaido was finally hit by something monstrously strong. He can then fall in the ocean to finish him off completely, thus being the first DF user to actually die from drowning in the series.
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It's just Flampe all over again.
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We can kidn of argue that Jack was inside the ship and didn't took the hit directly, and there was no fight to wear him off before the final blow. But, anyway, he would be dead if he wasn't half-fishman and there was no one to save him from the ocean.
Zunesha having the final hit just gives that oomph needed to convince people that Kaido was finally hit by something monstrously strong. He can then fall in the ocean to finish him off completely, thus being the first DF user to actually die from drowning in the series.
Getting hit by Zunisha is highly likely, and I'm guessing Momo will help get Onigashima closer to Zunisha. However, wasn't it implied that Kaido survived being drowned, so that may not happen to him even if hit into the ocean? However he ends up being taken out, I'm looking forward to seeing how it looks. Just hoping we aren't looking at month until this is finally wrapped up, because if the Kaido flashback does happen I don't want it to be super long. The Oden flash back was long enough already.
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I wonder if there was any reason for Oda to give a second wind to Drake other than revealing his personal sense of justice, cause you could have this chapter without bringing him back.
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I wonder how Kaido feels about the idea that despite him declaring war on them mere hours ago, the WG considers him to be the far, far safer alternative to Luffy winning! Like, consider what this means in terms of the race to become Joyboy (which Kaido is or was invested in)? What this means in terms of perceived potential (WG basically thinks that the Kaido and Big Mom alliance poses minimal threat)..etc. I expect 1043 to be a very, very interesting chapter, both for Kaido's (much needed!) characterization, for Luffy, and from a lore perspective.
With that said, there's a lot of denial about the mystery fruit being Luffy's and it's honestly kinda funny to me, especially when this chapter adds one more hint to what's become a pile of them, going all the way back to Dressrosa! I personally wouldn't be surprised if Luffy actually achieves DF awakening next chapter!
The mere fact that the gorosei ordered CP0 to kill Luffy and not Kaido should tell you that it can't be Kaido's fruit (not to mention that Kaido has no future post-Wano, he's probably the one character that's confirmed done after this arc).
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I wonder if there was any reason for Oda to give a second wind to Drake other than revealing his personal sense of justice, cause you could have this chapter without bringing him back.
If I had to guess, it's setup for a rift forming between the Marines and the upper echelons of the World Government - Drake is a vector for information to leak to the Marines that Cipher Pol wants to keep under wraps.
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The mere fact that the gorosei ordered CP0 to kill Luffy and not Kaido should tell you that it can't be Kaido's fruit (not to mention that Kaido has no future post-Wano, he's probably the one character that's confirmed done after this arc).
No one has pushed Kaido to his limits for a very long time, and since killing Kaido is pretty much impossible it's easier for CP0 to eliminate the factor that could lead to Kaido's Awakening. It's not impossible that it's the Fish Fish Fruit: Model Azure Dragon after all.
Also Kaido might be done after Wano but there's someone who has the same abilities and coincidentally will take over the one country the World Government has left alone in the last 800 years. And his fruit also has a trail of breadcrumbs that started in Punk Hazard, between the cloned fruit, Kaido being experimented on, CP0 mentioning the clone out of nowhere on Onigashima, him receiving it directly after the God Valley incident, an island that disappeared
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I've been coming to terms with it since who's who had his flashback.
But i still hope against hope that it is literally anything but the gomu gomu.
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Don't worry luffy, sanji is coming to save the day.
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I've been coming to terms with it since who's who had his flashback.
But i still hope against hope that it is literally anything but the gomu gomu.
I'm willing to die on this hill, more than any nakama discussion, ever. It's not the Gomu Gomu, IMO.
Momonosuke's fruit being a failed clone of Kaido's just fits perfectly. The government tried to clone the fruit because it was special and they couldn't kill Kaido to get it back. However, the cloned fruit came out wrong, it was failure. It didn't have the special property that they want from the original fruit.
Changing Luffy's power in chapter 1,042+ makes no sense. Also, not a single theory about Luffy's fruit fits what we know of it so far. No one can explain the lightning immunity, and the blunt immunity also fails to be addressed in most theories. Luffy's fruit being a logia makes no sense, nor does it being a zoan.
Luffy's entire character has been molded around being a rubber man. Every attack of his is rubber rubber something. His character number is 56, for "gomu". That's not something you can change in a whim.
This current event also fits perfectly. Kaido just lost all motivation behind him. He is in shock. This is the perfect moment for things to go south and get desperate, with his power awakening and it being special. Kaido becomes even more unbeatable, and gets out of control. From a story standpoint, it's win-win.
If it's Luffy's, then this moment is just Super Sayan revised. Luffy awakens his power, becomes God Nika or whatever, goes beyond Yonko Level and beats the unbeatable Kaido after the enemy is already depressed for having his fight sabotaged.
So, I'm dying on this hill. It's Kaido's fruit.
@The:
Getting hit by Zunisha is highly likely, and I'm guessing Momo will help get Onigashima closer to Zunisha. However, wasn't it implied that Kaido survived being drowned, so that may not happen to him even if hit into the ocean? However he ends up being taken out, I'm looking forward to seeing how it looks. Just hoping we aren't looking at month until this is finally wrapped up, because if the Kaido flashback does happen I don't want it to be super long. The Oden flash back was long enough already.
What I'm expecting to see next chapter: Kaido's in shock. Gorousei get the memo that the mission was accomplished. We see Kaido revising his long, depressing life over several small key moments: Rock's betrayal, he getting his fruit, he being captured, the efforts to kill him, the experimentation, the lack of meaningful opponents, his inability to die. Cut to the gorousei, who explain why they chose to interfere in the fight. They were afraid of Kaido awakening his fruit. Then we get back to Kaido, as he assumes a new, frightening form, and the narration boxes continue the gorousei's talk, revealing the fruit's true name. Chapter ends, break in the following week. We all get massively hyped and pissed off by having to wait.
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What annoys me is this dude has been seen since Dressrosa and he still doesn't have a name.
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@Johnny:
What annoys me is this dude has been seen since Dressrosa and he still doesn't have a name.
Isn't he supposed to be the one who gave Doffy the order to eliminate Moria after the war? So, his first appearance would even be before the time skip… :ninja:
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Isn't he supposed to be the one who gave Doffy the order to eliminate Moria after the war? So, his first appearance would even be before the time skip… :ninja:
I don't think so, since that dude wasn't wearing a mask and had a blonde goatee.
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Doubt Oda would throw such a huge curveball with the fruit not being the Gomu Gomu. I wish it isn’t though
Oda has done an excellent job with Kaido, I love him
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@Johnny:
I don't think so, since that dude wasn't wearing a mask and had a blonde goatee.
Is it from the anime? Don't remember the goatee from the manga, only that he had a bowler hat.
Thought it would make sense due to the connection established in Dressrosa.
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@Joy:
Doubt Oda would throw such a huge curveball with the fruit not being the Gomu Gomu. I wish it isn’t though
Consider this: the mystery behind why Momo's fruit was a failure has been established since Punk Hazard.
We've been asking what's wrong with it for a decade, probably.
Also, everyone scratched their heads when we learned Kaido's fruit was a fish fish fruit. All kinds of weird theories sprouted about it, to the point everyone kinda skipped the part that the fruit came from God freaking Valley.
To add to it, the nature of Kaido's life-long debt to Big Mom was a question we had for over 90 chapters, only to be revealed to be this fruit.
And, in Onigashima, we are again reminded, by CP-0, no less, that Vegapunk made a clone of Kaido's fruit and thankfully it was a failure.
Here we have a story that has endured hundreds of chapters.
And then for the last two dozen and so chapters, we get a few reveals about Luffy's fruit and some mystery fruit. These reveals are close enough to each other to lure readers into thinking they are related, when they don't need to. It's the perfect misdirection to make people not think of the other mysterious fruit plot that has been building up for hundreds of chapters.
And, finally, we get a CP-0 order to interrupt the fight between the owners of both these powers. It's the perfect way to reinforce in people's minds that one fruit is the right one, but the other can be it as well.
I don't think the false-named fruit is the rubber fruit. The writer is placing these reveals to pull the rug from under our feet when the true name (and owner) of the mystery fruit is revealed, so no one sees it coming.
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Could be the same person but it's hard to say, definitely not impossible
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But if its Kaido's fruit, this whole scenario seems to be going into revealing a greater power, and I dont see Kaido becoming more powerful when he's already had the upper hand for most of the battle.
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So in this case, "They don't need to be calledthe Strong Samurai" or "The Stubborn Samurai". If they keep getting beaten it doesn't matter what you call them because it's meaningless. So, what are you Luffy? Are you actually strong or just calling yourself tough?
Thanks a lot mate.
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1042 was such a banger, if anyone read the spoilers you missed a lot
I never thought the agent dunderhead would actually pull it off
I can't help but to think of that mink doctor injection especially that Marco is available for flying assistance, plus blue flames heal ?
Now the question what to do with Kaido ? Sure he will smack that agent to oblivion
I'm just not sure what comes afterwards, we need someone to help Luffy and a group to hold Kaido.
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But if its Kaido's fruit, this whole scenario seems to be going into revealing a greater power, and I dont see Kaido becoming more powerful when he's already had the upper hand for most of the battle.
There's no better conflict than winning over unsurmountable odds.
I think it's perfect because it gives us the sense of despair that the arc hasn't reached yet. We all go "holy shit" as we question how the f*** we can win this now.
It allows Wano (and Kaido) to end in a glorious blaze rather than your usual end of arc, thus capping this whole saga nicely. It truly makes Kaido the strongest creature alive, one that really can't be beaten one-on-one, thus coming full circle with his presentation.
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Yeah count me among those who don't see Oda wasting the once in a lifetime legendary chosen one DF on an arc antagonist who is on his way out. The fruit of legend feels like it is pointing toward endgame events, Kaido is here for like another volume tops
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I've been coming to terms with it since who's who had his flashback.
But i still hope against hope that it is literally anything but the gomu gomu.
Usopp ate the courage courage no mi and never realized it
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Usopp ate the courage courage no mi and never realized it
Yes. I'll cling to this and repeat it as a mantra to ward of the thoughts of you know what
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No one has pushed Kaido to his limits for a very long time, and since killing Kaido is pretty much impossible it's easier for CP0 to eliminate the factor that could lead to Kaido's Awakening. It's not impossible that it's the Fish Fish Fruit: Model Azure Dragon after all.
Also Kaido might be done after Wano but there's someone who has the same abilities and coincidentally will take over the one country the World Government has left alone in the last 800 years. And his fruit also has a trail of breadcrumbs that started in Punk Hazard, between the cloned fruit, Kaido being experimented on, CP0 mentioning the clone out of nowhere on Onigashima, him receiving it directly after the God Valley incident, an island that disappeared
Given the the government don't know much about Momo being the cloned fruit user (yet), why haven't they simply issued an order to kill Kaido instead of Luffy?
I personally feel that the assassination order is the big tell here, along with the repeated nudges that Luffy's abilities aren't consistent with rubber's properties. This shouldn't be confused with me approving of this retcon (and it's gonna be one, if it happens), it's just that I can already see it coming with how thick Oda has been laying it this volume.
(My personal assumption for how Oda will resolve the plothole of the WG not going after the fruit holder earlier would probably be that Im just told the gorosei about it)
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Given the the government don't know much about Momo being the cloned fruit user (yet), why haven't they simply issued an order to kill Kaido instead of Luffy?
Because Kaido can't be killed. They tried it several times before.
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Luffy already is at that point where he cant win.
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Because Kaido can't be killed. They tried it several times before.
That doesn't make any sense given how supposedly apocalyptic this fruit's awakening is for them..
Also, what wolfwood said is %100 true, both Momo and Kaido will likely take on vastly reduced roles in the story post-Wano, and this feels like a really big lore drop that will have a major impact on the endgame.
Finally, I mentioned this before, and Cookie disagreed, but I will repeat it here: this sort of twist doesn't really land with its maximum impact unless said fruit is something we've been taking for granted for years, there no real impact in changing the name of a trivia note fruit or one that wasn't mentioned in story (Chopper's fruit is an example of the 1st category, Tama's an example of the latter), Kaido's fruit, while technically a candidate, is not the most ideal one for a writer that's clearly aiming to rock and shock the nation (to borrow a Wu-Tang line), this fruit was only mentioned a year or two ago, and it was only mentioned once.
Compare that to the fruit whose name is a constant mantra in every single attack Luffy does, to the point where one would know it's original name even if you've only read 3 chapters, hell, I'm pretty sure you can find non-OP fans that know what it's name is, now the flipside of this is: Oda is playing with fire here, and this retcon idea has the potential to be a real shark-jumping moment, one that could tarnish the brand for good.
Whatever he does goes with, I hope he has thought it out properly.
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Kaido saying staaahp gave me a good chuckle.
I didn't expect the CP0 agent to interfere in the fight already.
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Given the the government don't know much about Momo being the cloned fruit user (yet), why haven't they simply issued an order to kill Kaido instead of Luffy?
I personally feel that the assassination order is the big tell here, along with the repeated nudges that Luffy's abilities aren't consistent with rubber's properties. This shouldn't be confused with me approving of this retcon (and it's gonna be one, if it happens), it's just that I can already see it coming with how thick Oda has been laying it this volume.
(My personal assumption for how Oda will resolve the plothole of the WG not going after the fruit holder earlier would probably be that Im just told the gorosei about it)
That doesn't make any sense given how supposedly apocalyptic this fruit's awakening is for them..
The theory (that I'm not completely subscribing to) is that there's the user of the legendary fruit who hasn't awakened it on his own despite being on top of the food chain for a long time, and the key to his Awakening that is pushing him to his limits like no one has in a long time. The World Government knows all too well that seemingly no one can eliminate Kaido for good, not even himself. So what is the alternative to prevent the Awakening? Getting rid of the key.
I don't like Kaido's fruit being the legend, but it's more digestible than retconning something that was supposed to be a silly fruit, the perpetual underdog into yet another hit on the Chosen One bingo card. Above all, I want to point out that it's not impossible to be the Fish Fish Fruit as you claimed.Also, what wolfwood said is %100 true, both Momo and Kaido will likely take on vastly reduced roles in the story post-Wano, and this feels like a really big lore drop that will have a major impact on the endgame.
If Yamato and Oden's journal can be believed Momo will have a very important role in the endgame so I don't see how this would not fit neatly together.
Finally, I mentioned this before, and Cookie disagreed, but I will repeat it here: this sort of twist doesn't really land with its maximum impact unless said fruit is something we've been taking for granted for years, there no real impact in changing the name of a trivia note fruit or one that wasn't mentioned in story (Chopper's fruit is an example of the 1st category, Tama's an example of the latter), Kaido's fruit, while technically a candidate, is not the most ideal one for a writer that's clearly aiming to rock and shock the nation (to borrow a Wu-Tang line), this fruit was only mentioned a year or two ago, and it was only mentioned once.
Compare that to the fruit whose name is a constant mantra in every single attack Luffy does, to the point where one would know it's original name even if you've only read 3 chapters, hell, I'm pretty sure you can find non-OP fans that know what it's name is, now the flipside of this is: Oda is playing with fire here, and this retcon idea has the potential to be a real shark-jumping moment, one that could tarnish the brand for good.
Whatever he does goes with, I hope he has thought it out properly.
Did I disagree? I don't remember to be honest… But why is a maximum impact necessary? Shocking the audience shouldn't come at the expense of throwing most of the story already told out the window, paired with the 56/gomu puns across all mediums.
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Oh. Didn't see that coming. Wow.
RIP to the idea of wrapping the fight up in volume 103. Probably…
Drake coming back only to fail to take down the CP0 boss (surely he deserves a name after this one) is a real shame. I was cheering for the guy to get one last shot after all the fighting he's done - at least a mutual KO. Will he get up again? I mean, Apoo survived a finger pistol to the neck and kept running, but Drake might be pushing even Oda's limits for second winds if he does the same.
I'm not the biggest fan of these Snakeman attack volleys if I'm honest. They get just a tad samey when you start comparing all the panels of Kaido being hit from multiple directions at once.
So Kaido doesn't think the Gear Four skillset quite matches the properties of rubber. This mysterious fruit thing gets curiouser and curiouser. While it's hard to imagine Oda committing to a full renaming of everything to do with the main character's powers, it's past time to start making your peace with there being more to the Gum Gum than meets the eye. I don't think that's the end of the world.
Kaido drunkenly trying to flirt with Luffy is the bisexual representation we never knew we needed The love heart in the sound effects does a long way to sell it. All tongue-in-cheek comments aside though, I love that we're still seeing drunk Kaido. I'd been so sure it was just a one chapter gimmick, but it persists!
I really like Kaido breaking out the future sight and using his serpentine form to twist through the barrage. It's a creative way to replicate the way logia users with high-level CoO morph their bodies to dodge attacks.
The overhead shot of the island as Kaido flies up with Luffy in his mouth shows how much of the outside has already crumbled away. It begs the question of where the Sunny ended up after Franky concealed it following their landing. Is it still on the island, and will there be an easy way to get it to safety (let alone back to water) when the whole thing drops? But hey, Kaido blasting Luffy straight through the island makes me feel confident of Luffy eventually dunking him straight through and dropping the whole place on his head.
Oda is going a long way to sell the idea that Luffy is out of time and won't be able to keep fighting if he drops Gear Four again. Are we going to end up with a Doflamingo-style "one more attack" situation after the haki recharge, or are things going to be even more dire than that?
It's not really clear how long the exchange of blows that covers most of this chapter is meant to take, but CP0 guy climbs a long way through a lot of fire to get where he is at the end. Oda's been pretty good at keeping locations straight through this battle and not teleporting anyone across the island without giving them enough offscreen time to justify the trip, but CP0 stretches things a little. Still, it makes for a genuinely surprising ending. I never would have foreseen Luffy getting this kind of parallel with Oden. And with Law and Kid making it clear last week they've got nothing left in the tank after Big Mom… things are looking bad.
Oda did a great job misleading me into thinking CP0 would be a non-factor in the fight. Oh, they're just in Wano for the worldbuilding, for their relationship to Orochi. They're reporting in, not getting involved. They're a narrative device to show the numbers on the battlefield. No wait, they're mobilising to give the fightless stragglers someone to confront. And then they come out of nowhere to bring disaster to the hero at a critical moment, right when you had them totally dismissed. Great narrative smoke and mirrors there. And so fitting to have the secret agents hiding in plain sight and striking from the shadows. I know some people think CP9 are too weak in retrospect to hold the rank and importance they were given, but if all of Cipher Pol can act this shrewdly to influence events in the World Government's favour it goes a long way to explain them not needing to confront high weight class pirates in one on one fights.
I don't really get why CP0 uses Iron Body after he grabs Luffy. Is it an armament coating to avoid being hurt by the haki that covers most of his Gear Four body, or just to make himself more rigid to more strongly impede Luffy's attack or what?
While I was definitely surprised, and I will definitely be on the edge of my seat for the next chapter with no idea what will happen, I've meant what I've been saying for weeks about having a decent bit of battle fatigue. Just when I was getting used to the idea of getting into the post-fight portion of the arc, this is a huge setback. The Doflamingo version of this development took five chapters to play out to the end of the fight. Two more months on the current schedule. I trust that it's all part of the plan, and I'm sure I'll feel different when I can reread the arc as a whole, but god damn does the ending feel far away.
I guess like Kaido himself, I've got some pretty mixed feelings about this big moment.
So what next? Well, it's not looking good for CP0. The face hag didn't survive interfering with Kaido's fight, and he was by all appearances sober at the time, so there's our first order of business. And then I guess Kaido tries to renew his plan to squash the capital, overpowering Momo's pull on the island. Perhaps then the nine shadows and/or the Momotaro homage rises up to delay him until Luffy staggers back to his feet for the finishing move. I think that covers all the super obvious stuff, but Oda must know how much those points have been talked through already. There'll be some surprises in how it plays out, or in what exactly plays out, I'm sure.
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I don't really get why CP0 uses Iron Body after he grabs Luffy. Is it an armament coating to avoid being hurt by the haki that covers most of his Gear Four body, or just to make himself more rigid to more strongly impede Luffy's attack or what?
He doesn't look so well in the panel after, so I figured he tried to protect his arm from Kaido's attack, even if it would only graze him. The Kanabo covers Luffy's entire torso after all.
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He doesn't look so well in the panel after, so I figured he tried to protect his arm from Kaido's attack, even if it would only graze him. The Kanabo covers Luffy's entire torso after all.
That makes sense. It doesn't look like he was hit, but with all this advanced haki expanding the hitboxes of Luffy and Kaido's attacks far outside where they seem to be, anything could have happened.
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I take back all of my bad words to CP0 dude. He's awesome and very ballsy to intrude a world class battle to killsteal lol.
Oh and I dont think even without CP0 intervention, Luffy would win only with Gear 4 spam. The awakening still needs to be done!
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Thanks a lot mate.
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1042 was such a banger, if anyone read the spoilers you missed a lot
I never thought the agent dunderhead would actually pull it off
I can't help but to think of that mink doctor injection especially that Marco is available for flying assistance, plus blue flames heal ?
Now the question what to do with Kaido ? Sure he will smack that agent to oblivion
I'm just not sure what comes afterwards, we need someone to help Luffy and a group to hold Kaido.
I don't know what Luffy will do next, but Oda is not one to rely on obvious healing powers to keep Luffy in the fight beyond him eating food, so I doubt that will happen.
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I'll repeat here what I wrote in the Spoiler thread:
- After considering Toki, Tama, and Chopper, I think the legendary Devil Fruit is Kaido's
- All the hints towards Luffy's fruit are misdirections
- Kaido's DF has been getting attention since before Wano started, first with Big Mom talking about a "favor" he owes her just before Act 1.
- When Kaido's DF name was revealed as a Fish Fish Fruit, readers were all trying to make sense of it. Maybe because the name doesn't fit.
- We also learned Kaido got his DF in God Valley, so it was probably a carefully hidden secret of the Celestial Dragons.
- CP-0 reminding us that Momo's fruit is a failure, despite it working perfectly (it seems), indicates there's something about it that Vegapunk couldn't replicate.
- Kaido talking about Luffy's bending attacks and saying Rubber can't do that is also a misdirection. Soon after, he learns how Luffy does it and copies the bending attacks in his dragon form, showing that they are not reliant in Luffy's DF, but on some other principle.
- CP-0 was given the order to eliminate Luffy because the Elders feels Kaido being pushed to his limit may awaken his DF, an event they are deeply afraid off. Also, they don't think it's possible to kill Kaido.
- However, CP-0 intervening will send Kaido into a traumatic shock, and he will go berzerk, awakening his power for the first time in centuries.
- Eastern dragons can control the weather. So, I think Kaido's secret power is essentially controlling huge island-sized (or bigger) storms. What's the name of the Sky God? Uranus.
- Berzerk Kaido, seeing he lost all his forces and the chance of a true fight, just decides to destroy the entirety of Wano.
- Luffy's defeat may or may not mean Act 3 ends/Act 4 begins.
In the fans translation it's "the victor needs no excuses".
Wow all these little connections are very convincing. Just to be clear so everyone knows, I thought about Kaidou's fruit being the secret mega power before anyone said it! I just forgot to say it first is all…
It really does make sense to me that 5 Elders would say ok kill Luffy and not Kaidou. They've captured Kaidou several times over the years and couldn't put him to death. He hasn't been able to kill himself for corn sakes. Luffy at the very least has shown vulnerability throughout his adventures so if you can't get rid of the bomb at least pull out the fuse right?
While this may not end up being the outcome it really does fit. How many times have we heard about the balance of power and all that? Kaidou is a known quantity, don't let Luffy awaken the ship out of Kaidou and everything will continue on as it had been. Now of course Kaidou had been building his army to engulf the world in war but the Elder's may not have been totally aware of that.
@Woolfwood I do agree that the way this hidden named fruit is being set up is as something far longer lasting in the story than Kaidou himself will be. To that idea I will say that we could get a taste of Kaidou's awakening, seeing a super devastating glimpse of the terrible power! Only after that glimpse will Kaidou be defeated, killed and then the fruit respawns! You have to wonder if Vegapunk or other Grand Line scientists managed to force awaken the demon guards. Maybe there is a new method that could force awakening the Fish Fish Fruit after it's applied to object or person. Vegapunk assigning parts of Kizaru's light fruit into the Pacifistas seems like something in line with that. I don't know but that's my idea of how the power itself could live on beyond Kaidou.
Now seeing a big dragon again would probably be boring and not really Oda's style. If the thing ends up being Uranus with absolute control over the weather with a huge range I could see the dragon part being totally unnecessary in future arcs. It would be there but just in a completely different form, hidden and protected while it unleashes weather powers. Assuming it's awakening has more to do with weather and not just brute strength like the Demon Guards.
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Oh yeah, forgot to add.
I said it and will say it again: Kaido already awakened his fruit. It used to be a FISH fruit, and after grueling battles he evolved into a mighty seiryu.