The Gomu fruit is said to come from a certain tree. Maybe it's so unique that it's only the fruit to come from a tree, for one reason or another, while the rest of the devil fruits don't.
What chapter is that?
The Gomu fruit is said to come from a certain tree. Maybe it's so unique that it's only the fruit to come from a tree, for one reason or another, while the rest of the devil fruits don't.
What chapter is that?
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Yeah but in those cases, the SHs are doing something (fighting). Not… running around...
Did you miss Arlong Park, Alabasta, Skypeia, Water 7, Fishman Island, Dresserossa and Cakeland?
They ALL have Luffy start the big fight, get stalled, have the others do their fights, then get back to Luffy's. The crew is then left standing around or running away from something while Luffy does his thing. They're given some kind of filler threat or doing nothing at all during the final bit is nothing new. In Arlong and Skypeia and FI they just watched. In somem cases like Dresserossa they tried to stop a cage, and in Alabasta hunted for a bomb, but usually they are running around while Luffy does his thing. Heck, Cake land was almost a solid year of them just running away from Big Mom while Luffy fought Katakuri.
In this case the filler threat seesm to be that the island is on fire and going to crash one Kaidou is out so everyone eneds to escape. This after Yamato spent a dozen chapters trying to deal with some bomb and a slime ghost.
I checked and it doesn't say tree in Japanese.
ゴムゴムの実か。。。
"悪魔の実"だろう
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It took Oda 46 years to know about Brining???
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If Oda had my BBQ he would die. No body! And I mean no body! Don’t no body bbq ribs like I bbq ribs.
Herron taught Etta May, who taught Kathy, who taught Nicole who taught me. Each generation steadily perfecting the recipe. Salt water is good but pineapple juice will do things God never intended.
I don’t like to often toot my own horn but it has been said if Sanji made us bbq ribs in the real world it would taste like Matt’s/RomanceDawn’s.
Years ago I told Cyclone Baroness I would bbq for her and I will make good on that promise.
Intrigued about what Raizou's preparation is?
Orochi is about to die, again. Which death was better? I find you could have done so much more with the motif of trying to pretend to be the last samurai. His cowardice. Although this last event seems underwhelming as it was an accident.
Izo did a damn good job against the CP0 agents, and now we will see Drake having his revenge.
Law saying he is done, but we know better. I like the flashback with Big Mom, I am pretty sure we will still see her coming back in a future arc. I absolutely love how some things never change. Like Luffy’s reaction to anyone claiming to become the pirate king or getting one piece. As soon as Kaido says that, his expression changes, he goes full into attack mode.
I'd imagine that with the implementation of conqueror's haki, that Luffy's 'King' series would get an added oumpf. I do hope to see Luffy going from a different version of gear fourth to another and we see Luffy comboing Kaido while switching forms, with Tankman allowing him to keep going through Kaido's attacks.
In terms of which fruit the government is worried about. It would be a shame if it is the rubber fruit, but there aren't many other options that lead to the conclusion of killing Luffy on the spot.
So, which fruit, why kill Luffy? The reason I do not like it being the rubber fruit is because unless they bring an excuse about how, even though Luffy was becoming infamous they ignored the fruit user because he was still “too weak to make a difference”. It just brings to question why not target Luffy before? Like did they fall for their own switch in the naming of the fruit? What happened?
Because if it is Luffy’s fruit, then you could revisit previous arcs to emphasize this even more. Like, make it a talking point during Water 7, with Lucci referencing Who Who. CP9’s targets could have been Robin, Iceburg and Luffy.
Something to keep in mind is, why rename the fruit? Most likely, so whoever eats it does not grasp the entire scope of abilities the fruit could have. But the renaming has to be similar enough that the user believes the naming is adequate. For example: Switching the fire fruit to be called water fruit. Once the user unlocks their abilities they will notice something is wrong. Not to mention, this whole plot point has to resolve with the order to kill Luffy. Because of this, I will go through some of the options presented by posters, but ultimately the options for me amount to two people. Now for the list of devil fruits:
For Luffy’s fruit, well, what would the new name be? What abilities that are similar to rubber would Oda want to unlock?
Kaido’s. We have never been confirmed if Kaido is awakened. We also confirmed that Momo’s fruit, although a failed fruit, pretty much seems to be a clone of Kaido’s. Not to mention the government has already tried killing Kaido many times in the past. They know, they cannot do it. Because they couldn’t kill Kaido and retrieve the fruit the natural way. They could have tried to clone it instead.
We also have the naming of the fruit. Because of the developments where the Straw Hats against all odds are winning against two emperors, there is a chance that Kaido’s fruit finally awakens in battle. This could be symbolic in the sense of Kaido getting his “final epic battle”. So what do you do? Try to kill Luffy, the one that may achieve the impossible.
These last candidates do not make the cut:
Zunesha: The Elders Stars did talk about renaming a fruit as soon as Zunesha appeared. And now we know Zunesha was Joy Boy’s companion. However, what is the name of Zunesha’s fruit, if any?
Tama’s: For starters this would be weird because her fruit has not even been mentioned in the story. Or am I wrong? Tama’s fruit being a plot point moving forward, although interesting, would feel out of place. But sure, it was a fruit no one knew about because it was in Wano (closed borders), it is powerful if it also involves animals like Zunesha or sea kings. But again, because I have not seen the name in-story, the Elders Stars talking about renaming the fruit leads to the implication that we as readers already know the name of the fruit.
Chopper’s: Disqualified because the order does not involve him. Ignoring that fact, well, considering devil fruits have mythical figures like Buddah, or phoenix, etc. Maybe the human human fruit is not really that, but involves the fruit being someone in specific. Jesus would be a bit funny, but with the entire premise of cloning, could Chopper’s fruit be the Joy Boy fruit? Cringe. Joy Boy maybe was a giant(awakening), bla bla. Anyways, again, not an option because of the kill order. In terms of timing, the government did believe Chopper was a pet for the longest time until Wano where everyone saw monster point.
@K.:
Intrigued about what Raizou's preparation is?
Orochi is about to die, again. Which death was better? I find you could have done so much more with the motif of trying to pretend to be the last samurai. His cowardice. Although this last event seems underwhelming as it was an accident.
Izo did a damn good job against the CP0 agents, and now we will see Drake having his revenge.
Law saying he is done, but we know better. I like the flashback with Big Mom, I am pretty sure we will still see her coming back in a future arc. I absolutely love how some things never change. Like Luffy’s reaction to anyone claiming to become the pirate king or getting one piece. As soon as Kaido says that, his expression changes, he goes full into attack mode.
I'd imagine that with the implementation of conqueror's haki, that Luffy's 'King' series would get an added oumpf. I do hope to see Luffy going from a different version of gear fourth to another and we see Luffy comboing Kaido while switching forms, with Tankman allowing him to keep going through Kaido's attacks.
In terms of which fruit the government is worried about. It would be a shame if it is the rubber fruit, but there aren't many other options that lead to the conclusion of killing Luffy on the spot.
So, which fruit, why kill Luffy? The reason I do not like it being the rubber fruit is because unless they bring an excuse about how, even though Luffy was becoming infamous they ignored the fruit user because he was still “too weak to make a difference”. It just brings to question why not target Luffy before? Like did they fall for their own switch in the naming of the fruit? What happened?
Because if it is Luffy’s fruit, then you could revisit previous arcs to emphasize this even more. Like, make it a talking point during Water 7, with Lucci referencing Who Who. CP9’s targets could have been Robin, Iceburg and Luffy.
Something to keep in mind is, why rename the fruit? Most likely, so whoever eats it does not grasp the entire scope of abilities the fruit could have. But the renaming has to be similar enough that the user believes the naming is adequate. For example: Switching the fire fruit to be called water fruit. Once the user unlocks their abilities they will notice something is wrong. Not to mention, this whole plot point has to resolve with the order to kill Luffy. Because of this, I will go through some of the options presented by posters, but ultimately the options for me amount to two people. Now for the list of devil fruits:
For Luffy’s fruit, well, what would the new name be? What abilities that are similar to rubber would Oda want to unlock?
Kaido’s. We have never been confirmed if Kaido is awakened. We also confirmed that Momo’s fruit, although a failed fruit, pretty much seems to be a clone of Kaido’s. Not to mention the government has already tried killing Kaido many times in the past. They know, they cannot do it. Because they couldn’t kill Kaido and retrieve the fruit the natural way. They could have tried to clone it instead.
We also have the naming of the fruit. Because of the developments where the Straw Hats against all odds are winning against two emperors, there is a chance that Kaido’s fruit finally awakens in battle. This could be symbolic in the sense of Kaido getting his “final epic battle”. So what do you do? Try to kill Luffy, the one that may achieve the impossible.
These last candidates do not make the cut:
Zunesha: The Elders Stars did talk about renaming a fruit as soon as Zunesha appeared. And now we know Zunesha was Joy Boy’s companion. However, what is the name of Zunesha’s fruit, if any?
Tama’s: For starters this would be weird because her fruit has not even been mentioned in the story. Or am I wrong? Tama’s fruit being a plot point moving forward, although interesting, would feel out of place. But sure, it was a fruit no one knew about because it was in Wano (closed borders), it is powerful if it also involves animals like Zunesha or sea kings. But again, because I have not seen the name in-story, the Elders Stars talking about renaming the fruit leads to the implication that we as readers already know the name of the fruit.
Chopper’s: Disqualified because the order does not involve him. Ignoring that fact, well, considering devil fruits have mythical figures like Buddah, or phoenix, etc. Maybe the human human fruit is not really that, but involves the fruit being someone in specific. Jesus would be a bit funny, but with the entire premise of cloning, could Chopper’s fruit be the Joy Boy fruit? Cringe. Joy Boy maybe was a giant(awakening), bla bla. Anyways, again, not an option because of the kill order. In terms of timing, the government did believe Chopper was a pet for the longest time until Wano where everyone saw monster point.
I don't know why but since the Gorosei mentioned the misteryous DF, I keep thinking at Brook DF. A fruit that can connect you with the underworld can be very powerful is awakened.
I checked and it doesn't say tree in Japanese.
ゴムゴムの実か。。。
"悪魔の実"だろう
Alright, moving on then. Thanks.
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@K.:
Intrigued about what Raizou's preparation is?
Orochi is about to die, again. Which death was better? I find you could have done so much more with the motif of trying to pretend to be the last samurai. His cowardice. Although this last event seems underwhelming as it was an accident.
Izo did a damn good job against the CP0 agents, and now we will see Drake having his revenge.
Law saying he is done, but we know better. I like the flashback with Big Mom, I am pretty sure we will still see her coming back in a future arc. I absolutely love how some things never change. Like Luffy’s reaction to anyone claiming to become the pirate king or getting one piece. As soon as Kaido says that, his expression changes, he goes full into attack mode.
I'd imagine that with the implementation of conqueror's haki, that Luffy's 'King' series would get an added oumpf. I do hope to see Luffy going from a different version of gear fourth to another and we see Luffy comboing Kaido while switching forms, with Tankman allowing him to keep going through Kaido's attacks.
In terms of which fruit the government is worried about. It would be a shame if it is the rubber fruit, but there aren't many other options that lead to the conclusion of killing Luffy on the spot.
So, which fruit, why kill Luffy? The reason I do not like it being the rubber fruit is because unless they bring an excuse about how, even though Luffy was becoming infamous they ignored the fruit user because he was still “too weak to make a difference”. It just brings to question why not target Luffy before? Like did they fall for their own switch in the naming of the fruit? What happened?
Because if it is Luffy’s fruit, then you could revisit previous arcs to emphasize this even more. Like, make it a talking point during Water 7, with Lucci referencing Who Who. CP9’s targets could have been Robin, Iceburg and Luffy.
Something to keep in mind is, why rename the fruit? Most likely, so whoever eats it does not grasp the entire scope of abilities the fruit could have. But the renaming has to be similar enough that the user believes the naming is adequate. For example: Switching the fire fruit to be called water fruit. Once the user unlocks their abilities they will notice something is wrong. Not to mention, this whole plot point has to resolve with the order to kill Luffy. Because of this, I will go through some of the options presented by posters, but ultimately the options for me amount to two people. Now for the list of devil fruits:
For Luffy’s fruit, well, what would the new name be? What abilities that are similar to rubber would Oda want to unlock?
Kaido’s. We have never been confirmed if Kaido is awakened. We also confirmed that Momo’s fruit, although a failed fruit, pretty much seems to be a clone of Kaido’s. Not to mention the government has already tried killing Kaido many times in the past. They know, they cannot do it. Because they couldn’t kill Kaido and retrieve the fruit the natural way. They could have tried to clone it instead.
We also have the naming of the fruit. Because of the developments where the Straw Hats against all odds are winning against two emperors, there is a chance that Kaido’s fruit finally awakens in battle. This could be symbolic in the sense of Kaido getting his “final epic battle”. So what do you do? Try to kill Luffy, the one that may achieve the impossible.
These last candidates do not make the cut:
Zunesha: The Elders Stars did talk about renaming a fruit as soon as Zunesha appeared. And now we know Zunesha was Joy Boy’s companion. However, what is the name of Zunesha’s fruit, if any?
Tama’s: For starters this would be weird because her fruit has not even been mentioned in the story. Or am I wrong? Tama’s fruit being a plot point moving forward, although interesting, would feel out of place. But sure, it was a fruit no one knew about because it was in Wano (closed borders), it is powerful if it also involves animals like Zunesha or sea kings. But again, because I have not seen the name in-story, the Elders Stars talking about renaming the fruit leads to the implication that we as readers already know the name of the fruit.
Chopper’s: Disqualified because the order does not involve him. Ignoring that fact, well, considering devil fruits have mythical figures like Buddah, or phoenix, etc. Maybe the human human fruit is not really that, but involves the fruit being someone in specific. Jesus would be a bit funny, but with the entire premise of cloning, could Chopper’s fruit be the Joy Boy fruit? Cringe. Joy Boy maybe was a giant(awakening), bla bla. Anyways, again, not an option because of the kill order. In terms of timing, the government did believe Chopper was a pet for the longest time until Wano where everyone saw monster point.
Chopper’s Fruit is prob the most out of nowhere interesting choice I could convincingly see be expanded on, especially in light of the human Buddha and monk fruits, and Usopp saying “ I don’t think Blackbeard would want your human fruit.”
The brine thing was the best part of this weeks chapter
The Gorosei Knew about Luffy ever since he beat Crocodile which is pretty much since the start
It will feel odd to me that after all his crimes as a notorious pirate he suddenly becomes more important to capture than Robin just because of his devil fruit
It feels like Luffy never used it til now for them to act that way!!
You knew +2 years ago he had that bullshit rubber fruit so why act surprised now?
It makes no sense to me, especially if it goes as predicted
" the rubber rubber is not even its real name '' yeah i will never buy that shit.
weird how it hypes up some people.
I will remain in good faith and hope they're talking about something else, you know something that makes sense and actually exciting.
The latest they could know about his fruit is Marineford. Knowing that he's a pirate doesn't mean they know all of the details about how he operates, especially considering that the Marine on point at Alabasta was Smoker. (before that he was too small time for them to get involved) It's farfetched if it's the case, but it's not impossible. After Marineford, they don't know his location for 2 years and they did try to capture him at Sabaody and Dressrossa.
Luffy has never hidden his DF powers.
He used them in full view of an entire Marine base way back in Shell Town when recruiting Zoro and taking down Axe-Hand Morgan, so the Government's knowledge of his DF powers could reasonably go back all the way to the first true arc of the series. And even if he was too small time to warrant much of a report at that stage, the Marines would have reason to start taking a much closer look at his past activities by the time he'd racked up his first bounty post-Arlong.
He also clashed with Smoker in Loguetown, and unlike Alabasta, where Smoker may have been willing to cut the Strawhats some slack for their help in taking down Crocodile, he had zero reason not to report honestly about Luffy's capabilities to Marine HQ back then, particularly since Smoker recognized Luffy as such a massive potential threat that he immediately had himself and Tashigi transferred to the Grand Line so that they could go after the Strawhats.
Beyond that, Luffy also rampaged through Enies Lobby in full view of countless World Government agents, clashed with Sentomaru and some Pacifistas at Sabaody, and then bulldozed his way into and back out of Impel Down, all before arriving for Marineford.
The idea that the World Government could even remotely have missed the fact that he possessed the Gomu Gomu no Mi's powers until the last arc before the timeskip is…a bit unrealistic, to my mind.
It's unrealistic, but not impossible. The question isn't whether the Marines know, but whether the World Government knows, and even more so, whether the Five Elders (who are the only ones we are sure know about the fruit) were distinctly aware of what fruit he had. It's not that hard to believe that the specifics of what fruit he has never reached them until Marineford. Why would they care about a single pirate in paradise? Even after Enies Lobby, the World Government members with the most info on him (CP9) would have left the world government by that point. To point, they never mention Luffy until after Marineford and don't comment on his escapades in Enies Lobby. Why? They were focused on Shanks and Whitebeard and the balance of the world. I'm not saying I like the idea because I don't, but I worked through it and its not impossible or even all that improbable. It's only even coming up because of the potential for Luffy's fruit to fulfill whatever they were talking about.
I don't know why but since the Gorosei mentioned the misteryous DF, I keep thinking at Brook DF. A fruit that can connect you with the underworld can be very powerful is awakened.
Interesting choice, but why does CP-0 need to kill Luffy because of the battle that is happening with Kaido now?
Chopper’s Fruit is prob the most out of nowhere interesting choice I could convincingly see be expanded on, especially in light of the human Buddha and monk fruits, and Usopp saying “ I don’t think Blackbeard would want you human fruit.”
I also thought about that scene in Fishman Island. But, why the need to kill Luffy and not Chopper, Brooke or Tama?
On the other hand if they fear Kaido's fruit awakening it makes sense because they have failed to kill Kaido before. So the only way to prevent this happening in battle would be by killing Luffy.
Although that puts into question, what are the conditions needed to awaken your devil fruit? That only now is there a chance for Kaido to awaken.
However, if we go back to when CP-0 randomly talked about Vegapunk's failed fruit and how "glad they were because it was a failure". A reason to think about that fruit now without being prompted would be because Momo's fruit is a clone of Kaido's. CP-0 was glad that it had failed because that could mean two different entities which the Elders Stars could be worried about awakening.
This does make it kind of weird in retrospect that the Elder Stars just seemed completely uninterested in Luffy until he took the New World by storm considering he's the son of Public Enemy Number One and beat the shit out of two Warlords.
Like you'd think he would've gotten a Robin-style manhunt the moment they learn his full name.
Honestly, I'm of the opinion that the Gorousei's mystery fruit isn't the Gomu Gomu no Mi in the first place, which makes it seem to me that everyone's probably freaking out over nothing.
Even if the fruit's "Awakened" form is what they're truly concerned with, I have a hard time imagining that they'd use phrasing like "That fruit's a legend, even to us!" to refer to not only the fruit of a pirate who has been making himself a VERY public nuisance since he appeared two years ago, but also a fruit CP9 had in custody 12 years prior. By the same token, any fruit used by an individual well-known on the world stage is probably off the list for similar reasons.
The phrasing used makes me think it's a fruit they are only now learning is active, one that hasn't been seen by the at all in centuries, at least in areas where the WG can observe. Likely one introduced in Wano - such as Toki, Tama, or maybe Yamato - or possibly a realization that Momo's artificial DF, which I don't think had ever been used in the presence of any government agents until after he aged up to adulthood, may not have been a failure after all.
So putting it all on the table.
-The new order is based on a rumour/unverified information.
-It is the worst possible outcome the elder stars can imagine.
-It is something that can only happen in a world class battle.
-It is something that Luffy has/will gain.
-Whatever it is is more dangerous than Kaido or the void century/ancient weapons.
The creation of a new yonko / new generation rising up?
@Cyan:
This does make it kind of weird in retrospect that the Elder Stars just seemed completely uninterested in Luffy until he took the New World by storm considering he's the son of Public Enemy Number One and beat the shit out of two Warlords.
Like you'd think he would've gotten a Robin-style manhunt the moment they learn his full name.
Maybe 'Monkey' is a very common surname.
If its indeed Luffys fruit, Burgess scene from Dressrosa would make a bit more sense. This would imply that Blackbeard knows a lot more about Devil Fruits, than I imagined. We know he wanted the darkness fruit and Whitebeards, but Luffys fruit seemed so important at that time.
Honestly, I'm of the opinion that the Gorousei's mystery fruit isn't the Gomu Gomu no Mi in the first place, which makes it seem to me that everyone's probably freaking out over nothing.
Even if the fruit's "Awakened" form is what they're truly concerned with, I have a hard time imagining that they'd use phrasing like "That fruit's a legend, even to us!" to refer to not only the fruit of a pirate who has been making himself a VERY public nuisance since he appeared two years ago, but also a fruit CP9 had in custody 12 years prior. By the same token, any fruit used by an individual well-known on the world stage is probably off the list for similar reasons.
The phrasing used makes me think it's a fruit they are only now learning is active, one that hasn't been seen by the at all in centuries, at least in areas where the WG can observe. Likely one introduced in Wano - such as Toki, Tama, or maybe Yamato - or possibly a realization that Momo's artificial DF, which I don't think had ever been used in the presence of any government agents until after he aged up to adulthood, may not have been a failure after all.
PRECISELY. It simply cannot be Luffy. Period.
The phrasing used makes me think it's a fruit they are only now learning is active
This would be a classic Oda move. I like it. I don't necessarily think that will be the case, but it's a keen idea that shows the kind of outside the box thinking Oda displays. I hope you're right because that's the most interesting option.
If this is the case…it's possible that an idea I had could be fleshed out. The 'other name' of the fruit could very well be Uranus. Thematically, this wouldn't make sense if it was GGF, but if it's as you suggest, the sky's the limit.
However, their urgency towards quelling Luffy is fairly strong evidence.
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The last original option I have....is something I first proposed during Marineford and I since dropped because it didn't seem like something Oda would slog through. And, I STILL don't think he will but if he did, he might put some twist on it.
The idea was, Blackbeard becomes the user of the most powerful Logia, Paramecia, and Zoan. Oda still hasn't shown us a full-blown Lion so if my 'double' theory works out, Luffy seems like the surefire candidate but I think that might be too OP. In which case that leaves BB as the likely user if he can handle three.
However, lion-talk aside, the other creature Oda thinks is all-powerful is the dragon and if they mean Kaido's fruit, then there's the tiniest of (boring) possibilities that if BB inherited the fruit, he would be using an Awakened Form. I DO NOT LIKE THIS IDEA. But it's something I decided to dig up and take a new look at after a long time.
I can understand the sentiment that Luffy was too much of a small-fry for the Gorosei to know about him and his DF before now, but if this fruit is such a big deal, why wouldn't the Gorosei have some people quietly keeping track of anyone that shows up with rubber abilities?
I mean, even it's not dangerous non-awakened, the WG would only feel at ease when a world-changing DF like that was under their control, so it would be weird to no be on the lookout for it.
Ever since the Five Elder Stars got introduced Luffy has been brought to their attention. In chapter 233 we see them for the first time and then we even see one of them holding Luffy's wanted poster and saying that he cannot be allowed to row freely anymore. Yes, there are still bigger fish in the say, namely the Emperors. But if we consider that a) the WG seems to make a big deal out of anyone who's a D., b) Luffy being Garps grandson and Dragons son, b) Luffy having just dealt a blow to the WGs Three Powers bullcrack by taking out a Warlord, then he does deserve further looking into. These are the guys making a big deal out of Rogers unborn child and suddenly if teenage D. pirate who actually does things against the WGs precious balance is too much of a small fry to do at least a little research? Sounds very off.
After this Luffy has raided Enies Lobby declaring war on the WG and made it out alive. He infiltrated Impel Down causing a huge number of inmates to escape. And while not being the strongest player around, he played a prominent role at Marine HQ. He's the only pirate we know of, who directly invaded all three of the WGs facilities and he made it out alive. On top of that he punched a Celestial Dragon in the face and made it out alive. To treat this guy as a small fry just doesn't make much plausible sense.
It's ok to think that the Emperors are still the bigger fish in the sea. But to not look a bit deeper into Luffy seems like a illogical thing to do. But it wouldn't be the first Oda wrote the WG contradictory so it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Five Elder Stars found out about Luffy's fruit only now.
Uranus was also one of the first thing that came to my mind to explain that "other name".
Since Poseidon is a living being, it wouldn't be a nonsense that Uranus is a devil fruit power. Also it is a name we have known for a long time so it wouldn't be a thing that come out of nowhere like Imu
The theory has also been discussed in the dedicated thread if i'm not mistaken
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That say, the "not awaken in centuries" and legend part still makes little sense to me. But it would be very disapointing if the gum gum was that special fruit
Even if the fruit's "Awakened" form is what they're truly concerned with, I have a hard time imagining that they'd use phrasing like "That fruit's a legend, even to us!" to refer to not only the fruit of a pirate who has been making himself a VERY public nuisance since he appeared two years ago, but also a fruit CP9 had in custody 12 years prior. By the same token, any fruit used by an individual well-known on the world stage is probably off the list for similar reasons.
The way I understand that line is that they are saying the original name and ability of the fruit is a only a legend to them, not whatever it is known as today. It's not that they didn't know about the gum-gum fruit before, but that only now during the raid did they find out that it's possibily the long forgotten legendary fruit. There could be a different reason for why the government was after the fruit 13 years ago. Maybe Vegapunk knew something about it and requested it for research?
Ever since the Five Elder Stars got introduced Luffy has been brought to their attention. In chapter 233 we see them for the first time and then we even see one of them holding Luffy's wanted poster and saying that he cannot be allowed to row freely anymore.
There's the danger of using the wiki to make arguments and not reading the chapter. I didn't see that part on the wiki, but it's harder to justify them not knowing considering it.
The way I understand that line is that they are saying the original name and ability of the fruit is a only a legend to them, not whatever it is known as today. It's not that they didn't know about the gum-gum fruit before, but that only now during the raid did they find out that it's possibily the long forgotten legendary fruit.
To my mind, that's akin to saying the Pluton has been sailing around the world for years - possibly decades, or even centuries - without anyone realizing it because the file describing the ship's appearance was stuffed into the wrong filing cabinet and everyone just forgot what it looked like.
Possible, sure, but if the mystery fruit is as dangerous from the WG's perspective as is being implied, I have a hard time imagining that they'd not have it at the top of their "Notify Immediately If Found" list, right alongside the Pluton itself (which is why I've generally been assuming the mystery fruit is probably the Ancient Weapon Uranus) and anyone translating Poneglyphs. It's not something that they, more than anyone else, can afford to forget about.
Indeed, I think that's likely to be the rationale behind the renaming itself… To have a false name for the public to know the fruit by that is listed in all the DF encyclopedia in order to make it easier to locate and trace should it ever pop up in the wild, without giving out the fruit's true name and thus concealing it's true value and danger - it's a tool for their agents to make the fruit easier to find without tipping off the public that they're looking for it.
Ever since the Five Elder Stars got introduced Luffy has been brought to their attention. In chapter 233 we see them for the first time and then we even see one of them holding Luffy's wanted poster and saying that he cannot be allowed to row freely anymore. Yes, there are still bigger fish in the say, namely the Emperors. But if we consider that a) the WG seems to make a big deal out of anyone who's a D., b) Luffy being Garps grandson and Dragons son, b) Luffy having just dealt a blow to the WGs Three Powers bullcrack by taking out a Warlord, then he does deserve further looking into. These are the guys making a big deal out of Rogers unborn child and suddenly if teenage D. pirate who actually does things against the WGs precious balance is too much of a small fry to do at least a little research? Sounds very off.
After this Luffy has raided Enies Lobby declaring war on the WG and made it out alive. He infiltrated Impel Down causing a huge number of inmates to escape. And while not being the strongest player around, he played a prominent role at Marine HQ. He's the only pirate we know of, who directly invaded all three of the WGs facilities and he made it out alive. On top of that he punched a Celestial Dragon in the face and made it out alive. To treat this guy as a small fry just doesn't make much plausible sense.
It's ok to think that the Emperors are still the bigger fish in the sea. But to not look a bit deeper into Luffy seems like a illogical thing to do. But it wouldn't be the first Oda wrote the WG contradictory so it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Five Elder Stars found out about Luffy's fruit only now.
And their urgency right now isn't…urgent? Or rather, isn't new.
If I were to list all the "eliminate all the Straw Hat Luffy now" panels, I'd be here for years.
And their urgency right now isn't…urgent? Or rather, isn't new.
If I were to list all the "eliminate all the Straw Hat Luffy now" panels, I'd be here for years.
Sorry, but I don't get if you agree or disagree with me from that wording. Basically I was saying, that with all that happened long before Wano, the Five Elder Stars should have had more info on Luffy. Not saying ruling out the possibility that Oda goes for a "they learned it just now" scenario ShankscoughShanks But I do think, that with that happened so far,it would just not be well written.
We're in the endgame of Wano now.