That Greg always bragging about his package
Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
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If you got it….leave it on the internet.
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Greg do you think the almighty Batman… I mean Soba Mask will return somehow in the future?
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Greg do you think the almighty Batman… I mean Soba Mask will return somehow in the future?
Soba Mask? I dunno. That's harder than say, Soge King.
Would Oda play it for laughs? Or for actual drama? Or (typical Oda) a hard-hitting combo of both??
The Vinsmokes are being set up for…let's call it 'softening'...as we speak. The biggest change that has to happen is in Judge. If Judge can change his ways then the boys will fall in and dare I say, pull off some kind of miraculous Pinocchio BS to become more like Sanji since Sanji is actually the success and they're the failures.
But here's the thing, regardless of whether they get 'softened' or not, and even if things get 'smoothed over', in some respects, Judge and Sanji can never be close. If Oda does that, it would be highly out of his normal boundaries. Maybe he'll do it because of that very reason, I dunno, but I can't see Oda feeling satisfied with Sanji and Judge feeling comfortable together.
I like to think about it as Thanksgiving Dinner with a dysufunctional family. I see Sanji begrudgingly going to Vinsmoke Thanksgiving, and yeah, maybe he'll cook for 'em...but you just knowtwo seconds into the meal, the entire place will be destroyed. Then they'll do it all again next year.
So with that kind of relationship, what narrative, dramatic, and emotional purpose does Soba Mask showing up again serve, aside from it being on a Soge King-level of tomfoolery? I don't think Soba Mask has any significant purpose outside Wano (unless he and Soge King do a collab which would be amazing and totally up Oda's alley of 'too good NOT to do'). So if he'll show up again I think it depends on the setting and purpose.
If in Wano, less drama, more laughs and certainly not with the same outfit (barring any sort of 'gotcha' like he destroyed a fake suit, or Usopp already had an extra etc.) but possibly an updated outfit by Usopp.
If outside Wano, laughs would be a part of it, but probably more dramatic because there's a chance it would involve the Vinsmokes directly or Sanji showcasing how he's overcome his fear of becoming like them. If there's any reason for him to don a suit (and by that I mean a regular costume, not a power suit) again, that would have to have something to do with him proving that he's gone above and beyond the Vinsmokes showing the world that he's the success of Sora and Zeff.
All that aside, it would be kinda rad if his bounty poster got changed to Soba Mask, esp. since he split with the Vinsmokes and the Vinsmokes are pariahs now themselves.
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Soba Mask? I dunno. That's harder than say, Soge King.
Would Oda play it for laughs? Or for actual drama? Or (typical Oda) a hard-hitting combo of both??
The Vinsmokes are being set up for…let's call it 'softening'...as we speak. The biggest change that has to happen is in Judge. If Judge can change his ways then the boys will fall in and dare I say, pull off some kind of miraculous Pinocchio BS to become more like Sanji since Sanji is actually the success and they're the failures.
But here's the thing, regardless of whether they get 'softened' or not, and even if things get 'smoothed over', in some respects, Judge and Sanji can never be close. If Oda does that, it would be highly out of his normal boundaries. Maybe he'll do it because of that very reason, I dunno, but I can't see Oda feeling satisfied with Sanji and Judge feeling comfortable together.
I like to think about it as Thanksgiving Dinner with a dysufunctional family. I see Sanji begrudgingly going to Vinsmoke Thanksgiving, and yeah, maybe he'll cook for 'em...but you just knowtwo seconds into the meal, the entire place will be destroyed. Then they'll do it all again next year.
So with that kind of relationship, what narrative, dramatic, and emotional purpose does Soba Mask showing up again serve, aside from it being on a Soge King-level of tomfoolery? I don't think Soba Mask has any significant purpose outside Wano (unless he and Soge King do a collab which would be amazing and totally up Oda's alley of 'too good NOT to do'). So if he'll show up again I think it depends on the setting and purpose.
If in Wano, less drama, more laughs and certainly not with the same outfit (barring any sort of 'gotcha' like he destroyed a fake suit, or Usopp already had an extra etc.) but possibly an updated outfit by Usopp.
If outside Wano, laughs would be a part of it, but probably more dramatic because there's a chance it would involve the Vinsmokes directly or Sanji showcasing how he's overcome his fear of becoming like them. If there's any reason for him to don a suit (and by that I mean a regular costume, not a power suit) again, that would have to have something to do with him proving that he's gone above and beyond the Vinsmokes showing the world that he's the success of Sora and Zeff.
All that aside, it would be kinda rad if his bounty poster got changed to Soba Mask, esp. since he split with the Vinsmokes and the Vinsmokes are pariahs now themselves.
This is an awesome read. But one difference there is between Soba Mask and the Sogeking stuff
RS is actually power up and I can't see it being simply destroyed.Franky will somehow gather the Queen lasers so I might think he will get into the remains of the raid suit.
And while I know some people dislike Sanji and the RS… I absolutely love his design...
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I am glad to see you Greg, I hope things are good for you.
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Kishido,
Oda can totally pull that twist if he wants but I don't think he needs to. Sanji had his genes either activated or awakened by the suit and…that's all he really needed. (If you asked me before Wano I would've said he didn't need anything but the story dictated that he did need a boost of sorts so...it is what it is) I think Oda drove the point home by having him vanish without the suit. It really doesn't serve him much of a purpose now and I think that's the happy medium that grounds Sanji in both worlds.Yes, Sanji looks badass in the suit which is why I think it's completely likely for him to don another one but...I don't know if it needs gadgets and gimmicks. Sanji is basically a Swiss army kickboxer himself now.
Maxter,
Thank you, likewise. It's rough but I'm still here. Had a good run from August to November but then things came back fierce. Oh well, every day is a battle now. -
Thanks for the response Greg
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I haven't seen all of them but if they're anything like his 'What Luffy said and what OP is" theory, I like it.
…because it's a repackaging of my own theory and I think my theories are still solid.
Thanks for the reply, Greg.
And thanks for notice about your tweet as well.I really think you should check all of Arthur's videos.
Some parts are a bit long, but his reasoning makes sense all the way and everything becomes crystal clear in the end, like a completed puzzle.My favourite part of theory is the Bink's Sake part, which connects to One Piece.
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I'm sure they're great to watch for new fans. But like I was inferring, from what I've seen the ideas presented there are just ideas most of the older community has presented time and time again. It'd be like watching a video to see someone repackage your own ideas from years ago. The other day a rather antagonistic poster at Worst Gen was trying to say I was taking credit for Artur's idea on souls playing a part in this arc. At one point they said, "Artur has been talking about souls for at least three years!" That's great but…I started talking about the importance of souls in One Piece from at least as far back as March 19th 2016 ^_^;
Just the same, thanks for thinking of me.
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So I think the tweet you posted about Luffy's Dream being to party matches up with Artur's theory, but what he actually thinks One Piece is I thought was pretty great.
His theory about One piece is that it's:
! Bink's Sake. Literally Sake that everyone in the world will be able to enjoy. Maybe someone else has had this theory before over the years, but I don't remember it.
Also great to see you back, Greg!
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I absolutely love the raid suit! I really hope it comes back
And thank you for answering my questions Greg!
One last one, what do you guys think Vegapunk and Loki are going to be like? Good guys? Bad guys? Somewhere in between?
I still think it’s weird that Kuma knew exactly where to send the Straw Hats, it seems like something you’d need to be a genius to do…. like the guy he works with, Vegapunk
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So I think the tweet you posted about Luffy's Dream being to party matches up with Artur's theory
If you'd allow me to be nitpick English, Artur's theory…matches mine ^o^
Joking aside, regarding what One Piece is, when it comes to what Luffy said, what One Piece is/isn't etc. I don't like to comment beyond what I've already said beyond a certain point in time. Why? Maybe I can talk about it someday but not before the end of the series.
What I will say, is that any amount of guessing as to what One Piece is/isn't is not as easy as guessing that it's a particular thing. While at the same time, I believe that Oda is being completely honest when he says that One Piece is a thing. Fans should absolutely hotly debate it! And in truth, some people might even (miraculously) get it right! But from my perspective, trying to guess is still a bit of a fruitless labor that's getting ahead of itself. There's a reason I feel that way but I'm not willing to go into detail other than to say that, I trust in Oda's words that One Piece, at least as far as Luffy knows it, is a tangible thing.
One last one, what do you guys think Vegapunk and Loki are going to be like? Good guys? Bad guys? Somewhere in between?
Vegapunk is probably a good dude thanks to how he handled Kuma but I wouldn't be surprised if he had a twist that made him 'villainy' even though he's not.
Tough to say on Loki. We know the Elbaf as a race can't be evil but might they have an evil leader? Yeah, sure.
If my Pudding ideas are correct (she was intended to be betrothed to Loki, not Lola, and she wiped everyone's memories) then there's probably a very good reason she was staunchly opposed to the union to go to such extremes aside from the age gap. If Loki is an antagonist, then removing him would make space for D&B to come back and potentially take up the leadership.
In the end, everyone will have to fight Blackbeard and since Kaido already used the SMILE army, Blackbeard is going to need a FIERCE force to pale Kaido's crew. Being able to control the giants would be a pretty big deal and if Loki is in his pocket, that's possible.
Since most of this is dartboard speculation at this point, I see the character easily going in either direction depending on where the story winds up.
The keystone idea for me at this junction, is that BB's crew needs to wreck what look like giant trees at Elbaf. That seems like something they need to do to show of their level of threat. And if they do that, it's pretty safe to assume that the Elbaf won't be happy about it. That's why I would lean towards them ultimately being friendly and thereby not misled by BB, but their leader could just as easily sway either way. I mean, I'm pretty sure he chose 'Loki' for a reason.
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If my Pudding ideas are correct (she was intended to be betrothed to Loki, not Lola, and she wiped everyone's memories)
But Lola got stuck in Thriller Bark 5 years before present time, and Pudding was 11. One thing is age gap with a 21 year old woman (considering giants' lifespan, Loki is equivalent to a 21 year old man anyway), and another is falling in love with an 11 year old girl
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I'm not a huge fan of Atur's theory. I don't have enough time or interest to watch the full four hour video, but I read the shorter text version on reddit and immediately saw some holes in it.
Having the treasure be the sake from the song doesn't feel right when we know Oda both knew what the One Piece was from the start and had to employ the help of a professional songwriter to put the song together in advance of Thriller Bark.
I'm forced to wonder how finding the treasure and understanding its meaning is meant to work. Are you meant to arrive there, see the barrels, and come to the conclusion about how it connects people on your own? Is there a sign that spells it out? Getting dangerously close to "friends we made along the way" territory if it's that abstract. Worse if Roger and his crew drank it all themselves before they worked it out, leaving nothing for Luffy.
And if it is just to get drunk and connect to people, why was Whitebeard, who was known for the strong found-family connection he had with his crew and famously drank a lot, so hesitant to claim it? Wouldn't he have been an ideal candidate? Why was it so important that not share what it is to the world?
My reading of our clues to the One Piece so far is that it's something that can only be used by the right person at the right time. Roger was the right person at the wrong time. Blackbeard will presumably be the wrong person at the right time. Luffy will be the one to fulfill both conditions. The reasoning for why sake would need a particular person or time is pretty flimsy.
It's not the worst theory ever made, but I'm a long way from convinced that it's right. And there's always a little bit of personal annoyance in the clickbait angle of talking up a theory as "the whole story solved for sure" or whatever, when it's just another theory like everyone else is making, whether its a compelling one or not.
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The OP is a beverage? Umm, okay.
I did make the OJ thread some years back asking if he's closer to Hiruzen or Orochimaru. The teacher that is "good" and filled with knowledge trying to pass it down. Or Orochimaru who tries to uncover the truth and knowledge by any means necessary.
I stick by VP being someone who isn't the typical character worried about pettiness or some sense of justice. So closer to Orochimaru than the Third. He just might seek truth and knowledge like Law and Robin, but he doesn't mind who he can work with to get what he wants.
He might even be able to keep up with how the balance shifts. Someone who sees the board just as much as Teach or Shanks. I know some don't like to hear that Teach can see the board due to his gambling, but that doesn't mean the little he did have planned wasn't somewhat impressive. I'm sold on the thought that he wanted
- the Yami Yami
- get into Impel Down
This is enough to impress me. Teach is currently seeing opportunity, last I checked. As for Shanks, he is keeping his finger on the pulse of things too. WB would possibly be alive if he listened to Shanks, but that was never happening. Too late. Shanks talking to the Elders seems in similar fashion. They've allowed some Ls, will they listen and apply or suffer like WB?
Speaking of VP, I recently checked his wikia. I enjoy wikia because I can double check what chapter they got it from and if no citation is there, I can dig through the chapters I think may contain the content I want.
The wikia page says that Caesar was part of MADS and it cites the Vivre Card.
I haven't checked the Vivre Cards recently, if there have been any new updates anyway. The translation I see just says he has worked with both Judge and VP before. Is it confirmed in some other Vivre Card that he was part of the team?
It would make sense for him to be part of the team, but I would like to know that it was stated outright and not translator speculation.
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But Lola got stuck in Thriller Bark 5 years before present time, and Pudding was 11. One thing is age gap with a 21 year old woman (considering giants' lifespan, Loki is equivalent to a 21 year old man anyway), and another is falling in love with an 11 year old girl
Doesn't matter how long Lola's been away, if everyone's memories have been altered.
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Thanks for the reply jugol! I'm aware of the age difference which is why I was careful to phrase my statement the way I did. I specifically brought up the age gap and used the word 'betrothed' to prevent against knee-jerk reactions looking for holes but I'm happy to go into detail with this theory again although I'm sure you'll find it in more detail in past posts.
But Lola got stuck in Thriller Bark 5 years before present time, and Pudding was 11.
Yes, that's right.
First, let's run with the assumption that Pudding was eleven.
So what? This is olde-timey One Piece world when it needs to be. Being 'betrothed' at 11 is not the same as 'getting married and having sexual relations at eleven'. Being betrothed just means having a hand promised in marriage. If Loki is a villainous character, this makes even more sense that he'd be power-hungry enough to want to marry a kid.
Second, let's consider Pudding herself.
Literally anything besides Pudding's perspective, (and possibly Streusen's) is completely unreliable. As I've long proposed, Lola left the family on perfectly good terms. This would explain why she so happily and nonchalantly handed over the Vivre Card. She's not likely to hand over Big Mom's Vivre Card if she knows that Big Mom wants to kill anyone associated with her. I'd fully admit that, that could turn out to be the case, but if Oda wants to seal up that plot hole (and if it was planned the entire time it isn't even a hole) that's the best and simplest way to do it, Lola parted ways on friendly terms with the family.
This completely negates the 5 year gap issue (which itself is really unnecessary to explain as I suggested above) since the promised hand in wedding (betrothed, wedding ceremony, or other) could literally have happened any time within those five years. Pudding simply had to adjust their memories to X years past when Lola left. Lola essentially made the perfect scapegoat as an absent family member.
If or when Pudding reveals the truth of this scenario as a means of self-sacrifice, she'll have redeemed herself and can return Sanji's memories that they actually sealed their marriage with a kiss.
and another is falling in love with an 11 year old girl
VDD IX
Anyway, I think the next logical question from new guests is, "How could Pudding have done that?"
Pudding is, almost without question, one of the most powerful characters in the series because not only does she combine scheming and acting with her massively powerful fruit, she has access to all of Mom's creations (granting her flight) and Mom herself (granting her strength) meaning that Pudding could literally control Mom given their proximity. When her eyes went cold and she said she had to be a 'bad girl again' I'm certain she's referring to whatever she did to Tottoland in order to preserve herself….and honestly, if she was being married off against her will? Rightfully so?
Deicide: http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=43241&p=4164578&viewfull=1#post4164578
Yes, I agree with pretty much all of that. Only I don't personally feel that Luffy's power is being handled poorly because it's all been foreshadowed and he's earned everything he's gained. If I didn't feel that way I'd agree.
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I'm not a huge fan of Atur's theory. I don't have enough time or interest to watch the full four hour video, but I read the shorter text version on reddit and immediately saw some holes in it.
Having the treasure be the sake from the song doesn't feel right when we know Oda both knew what the One Piece was from the start and had to employ the help of a professional songwriter to put the song together in advance of Thriller Bark.
To put the song together, not necessarily the song's content. That's a pretty big difference.
I'm forced to wonder how finding the treasure and understanding its meaning is meant to work. Are you meant to arrive there, see the barrels, and come to the conclusion about how it connects people on your own? Is there a sign that spells it out? Getting dangerously close to "friends we made along the way" territory if it's that abstract. Worse if Roger and his crew drank it all themselves before they worked it out, leaving nothing for Luffy.
If it's Sake, then this is all pretty simple to work out. Going to what you say later in this post, the right kind of person will have the necessary convictions towards distributing the Sake across the world, or across a possible mega-continent or whatever it is. They'll know what to do after having had everything revealed to them like we know Roger's crew had experienced on. Laugh Tale. The wrong person will be disappointed, downtrodden, or won't be able to get to Laugh Tale at all.
And if it is just to get drunk and connect to people, why was Whitebeard, who was known for the strong found-family connection he had with his crew and famously drank a lot, so hesitant to claim it? Wouldn't he have been an ideal candidate? Why was it so important that not share what it is to the world?
So this question only makes sense as a question after Roger tells him what's at Laugh Tale. The obvious answer for the period of time before is that it was outside the realm of his ambition. His family is the reason for his piracy. Why he'd not want to find One Piece afterwards if it's sake, I suppose, isn't as easy to answer, but I don't think it's a theory busting mystery.
My reading of our clues to the One Piece so far is that it's something that can only be used by the right person at the right time. Roger was the right person at the wrong time. Blackbeard will presumably be the wrong person at the right time. Luffy will be the one to fulfill both conditions. The reasoning for why sake would need a particular person or time is pretty flimsy.
It's not the worst theory ever made, but I'm a long way from convinced that it's right. And there's always a little bit of personal annoyance in the clickbait angle of talking up a theory as "the whole story solved for sure" or whatever, when it's just another theory like everyone else is making, whether its a compelling one or not.
There are definitely some gaps in it, but I find it to be by far the most convincing one I've heard, especially in that it seems much more connected to the spirit of One Piece imo.
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I don't look down on the theory myself. It's entirely viable. There's just a specific reason why guessing what the physical form of One Piece is, at this junction, is a bit of a wild goose chase. But again, I don't doubt some people will hit it because…that's the nature of the beast when you have millions of readers across the globe.
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A lot of Arthurs takes and theories are taken directly from the japanese community and he labels them as his own.
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A lot of Arthurs takes and theories are taken directly from the japanese community and he labels them as his own.
Sounds like a great business plan. I should be taking notes.
Step one - Learn hard language
Step two - Talk to local peeps
Step three - Tell guys back home about all my great ideasProfit is sure to follow. Maybe i'll even get a funny hat like Greg.
I'm thinking mongolian for the sure to follow monga boom
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Maybe losing yonji and niji to Linlin pirates is the thing that will convince judge to give back his Sons their emotions. That is how this cover story will end.
Or what If judge shows up and asks sanji to help him free them and in exchange judge will Give them the emotions back.
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Got a real zinger but I promise to be kind.
So long as people realize that's going on though, that's all that matters.
If people are truly interested in whose theories I respect, it's the fellow who called Kanjuro as the traitor. Not just because he called it (because every theorist out there likes saying crazy stuff and eventually something will stick) but because he laid it out logically with point-by-point evidence and he stuck his foot in the ground. That was badass. That kind of thought process and deduction requires an intricate knowledge of Oda's patterns and I personally didn't see it coming from a mile away. Kudos to that guy.
Maybe losing yonji and niji to Linlin pirates is the thing that will convince judge to give back his Sons their emotions. That is how this cover story will end.
Or what If judge shows up and asks sanji to help him free them and in exchange judge will Give them the emotions back.
Do you think he can? Was there ever any suggestion of that being possible? If there was I don't recall it but of course it could be possible, foreshadowing or no. I'm wondering if they can somehow do it themselves.
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Got a real zinger but I promise to be kind.
So long as people realize that's going on though, that's all that matters.
If people are truly interested in whose theories I respect, it's the fellow who called Kanjuro as the traitor. Not just because he called it (because every theorist out there likes saying crazy stuff and eventually something will stick) but because he laid it out logically with point-by-point evidence and he stuck his foot in the ground. That was badass. That kind of thought process and deduction requires an intricate knowledge of Oda's patterns and I personally didn't see it coming from a mile away. Kudos to that guy.
Do you think he can? Was there ever any suggestion of that being possible? If there was I don't recall it but of course it could be possible, foreshadowing or no. I'm wondering if they can somehow do it themselves.
There's that drug that sora used to stop his experiment from working, maybe judge can do Something with that. But what Is the better option, having judge come to the conclusion that he needs to Give their emotions back himself, or just Have them awaken on their own because of sanji, but then judge may learn nothing and just hate sanji even more. Sanji did awaken the powers of his Brothers 20 years later so maybe it's same for them with the emotions.
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If Sanji does get his raid suit back what power up will Zoro get to close the distance? Something to do with the Grimm reaper he’s seeing or him saying he would become the king of hell?
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If Sanji does get his raid suit back what power up will Zoro get to close the distance? Something to do with the Grimm reaper he’s seeing or him saying he would become the king of hell?
Black blades obviously
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I'd like to add some thoughts on the "lack of tension"/"lack of climactic setback" this arc has. This is all my opinion, of course, but it may help explain why so many people feel the stakes were kept low.
1. There was no point in the battle we felt the heroes were really danger
Around the chapters that would form Volume 100, I was constantly getting the feeling that "now we are about to endure the darkest phase of the fight", but the following chapters would always defuse the situation, never allowing things to escalate out of control.
For instance, Luffy fell off Onigashima and Kaido is loose on the island. Now THAT seemed like a huge climax in which hopes should faulter. And yet, we see Luffy rescued and Kaido kept busy by Yamato soon after.
I'm too busy and lazy right now to re-read the entire Act 3 right now and find all the instances of that, but there were several.
2. The villain moments were often off-screened
Another factor that I feel helped keep the stakes low was the amount of off-screening we got, and that it affected mostly the villains, Most often, when we cut to a battle, the villain is in advantage, and we never see how the situation got to that point. We usually get to see the heroes standing back and gaining the advantage, but that downplays the villain's threat and makes the struggle seem not that hard.
Examples of that happening: Kanjuro vs Kiku; Ulti & Page One vs Nami & Usopp; Big Mom vs Kid & Law (twice); Perospero vs Nekomamushi; Jack vs Inuarashi. We are told how dangerous those guys are, but never actually shown, because when their battles get panels, it's for the heroes' comeback/escape.
3. Lack of consequences
Marineford War was a big deal because people died. When Luffy passed out, we were truly frightened for him, despite knowing he would survive. We felt there would be bad consequences, even if he survived.
I feel that all the Scabbards not only surviving, but also getting up to fight again, really defused the tension in the entire war. When we got to the rooftop in Chapter 1,000, I remember people expecting to see the scabbards out, maybe some of them would be dead. Nope, we get confirmation they are alive (via Kin'emon) and Law teleports them to safety. Oh, but they are out of the fight, right? We even get scenes later that show they are endangered and need saving?
Nope, let's make them all get up after being bandaged by a mysterious helper. All are able to fight again.
That put in our brains the certainty that the heroes will survive and win. That even the World's Strongest Creature is not that big of a threat.
4. Luffy "feeling like Goku"
In all arc-ending fights, Luffy has always struggled. We see the anger and desperation in his face as he must defeat this enemy or all is lost.
It was really strange to see Luffy smiling as he fought Kaido. It took all the desperation off the situation. Luffy was no longer fighting an unsurmountable opponent, but an equally strong fight. And it happened twice: once he learned the secret to Advanced Conqueror haki, and then again as he got back to Onigashima. Between those, there was the major humbling experience that was Luffy getting knocked out (off-screen, so we missed Kaido overpowering him…), so the second time Luffy shouldn't be smiling, IMO.
I get it that Luffy is smiling because he feels he's at an Emperor's level finally, so he's close to his dream of becoming the Pirate King. But this is a war, people are (should be) dying. There should be more stakes than Luffy proving himself. If Luffy himself is so confident and secure, how are we readers meant to be fearing for him?
Oda has more than proved he's an amazing writer, but I see Wano Act 3 and I feel like he went to such a gigantic conclusion for this Emperor Saga that he mishandled a few things.
I feel he should have gotten some players off the stage earlier, so that the remaining characters get more screentime. I feel at least one Scabbard should have died early (probably Kiku), and some of them should not be able to get back on their feet (what have Kawamatsu or Denjiro done so far since they got back up?). I also feel there should have been only one Jack fight (the earlier one on the roof, against Inu and Neko), as the second one was really uneeded (IMO). I feel the entire presence of Perospero felt weird and could be supressed, as it meant to close up Pedro's story, but felt tackled on. I feel Luffy's fate after losing on the roof should be kept hidden longer.
One Piece is never bad. But I do feel Onigashima has some pacing and tension issues that need to be pointed out.
Great read. I 100% agree with you.
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Greg, do you think that Oda wants to make us think that the story is laid out to result into the unification of all seas to One -giant- Piece?
It is a simple yet briliant idea, but still predicatble. And there is no way the editors and Oda aren't aware of this widespread theory. Editor Iwasaki even stated that all end game theories are not close to the truth, which would be a too confident statement if the All Blue theory is actually pretty close to the truth.
As Oda likes to play 4D Chess with us (and hates to be predicted), I could imagine he plans to fool us.
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Keep in mind that it wasn't Roger who called his treasure One Piece but the world at large, so I doubt that it's supposed to hint at unifying all seas
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So you think the word One Piece is irrelevant because it wasn't Roger who said it? It doesn't necessarily mean unifying all seas, but I don't think Oda named it that without it meaning something.
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So you think the word One Piece is irrelevant because it wasn't Roger who said it? It doesn't necessarily mean unifying all seas, but I don't think Oda named it that without it meaning something.
I think that there needs to be a very good explanation why the people came up with a name that has something to do with the nature of the treasure without actually knowing what it is.
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I think that there needs to be a very good explanation why the people came up with a name that has something to do with the nature of the treasure without actually knowing what it is.
That doesn't seem like an impossible or even difficult task for Oda if he so chooses to go that route.
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That doesn't seem like an impossible or even difficult task for Oda if he so chooses to go that route.
Never claimed otherwise ;)
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One of the few times I 100% agree with Greg. I don’t think the theory was poorly structured but I also was confused on how binks sake could be the one piece. Like it’s just the sheet music sitting on top of barrels of sake? Seems pretty anticlimactic and the thought that everyone would hear it and just instantly give up all racial biases seems pretty ridiculous to me
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Black blades obviously
That’s definitely going to happen but I don’t know, he just said he was going to become the King Of Hell and now he’s being attacked by the Grimm Reaper, I feel like whatever he’s about to go through right now might end up making him even stronger, some weird power up we didn’t see coming
Or it could just be a reference to his new blade, Enma, who knows
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Something to do with the Grimm reaper he’s seeing or him saying he would become the king of hell?
? You mean Caribou cosplaying?
Given Caribou's fondness for a scythe, if it's not him just using bones and stuff he picked up from the field the next thing I'd expect it to be would be side-effects of the medication.
As for the grim reaper being related with Enma, they don't really meld together well thematically Buddhism and Western Death. On the other hand, not like One Piece doesn't meld themes ALL THE TIME, and we totally know there's a land of the dead and souls are alllll sorts of important, I just don't think Oda's going to personify death and he already pulled that particular mish-mash of cultural themes in Impel Down and even recently here on Onigashima. He totally could. He personified a ship's soul, so why not Death's 'soul'. Maybe this is his way of giving us a soft intro to how he intends to portray his lifestream of sorts that I've been talking about since Haki became a thing, but it seems a bit too…on the nose?
One of the few times I 100% agree with Greg. I don’t think the theory was poorly structured but I also was confused on how binks sake could be the one piece. Like it’s just the sheet music sitting on top of barrels of sake? Seems pretty anticlimactic and the thought that everyone would hear it and just instantly give up all racial biases seems pretty ridiculous to me
I don't dislike the theory. I said I think it's viable. I just (personally) don't think it's worth pursuing what OP could be at this junction. That's just me, I think people definitely should.
If Sanji does get his raid suit back
Maybe I'm not clear on why some fans think he needs the raid suit? I think it looks great but what's the point of him having it for function? He's proven that his body is the raid suit now and it can best the individual functions of all other raid suits combined. That was why Oda put all of them in Queen, to say, "Hey, look, Sanji just beat all of his siblings' abilities." On top of being super resilient, he can now phase out of sight so like…what would even be the point of a raid suit? That's kinda why he went through this arc:
He used it
It awoke innate resilience
He can use that resilience but his strength is his own and always has been.
He encompasses compassion with power and resilience.
He can also 'vanish' now.
He proved that Sora was right and Judge was wrong to remove compassion.It's presented in a haphazard way and Oda stopped hitting readers over the head with his points but that's the reason for the season.
So at this point, using a raid suit for function (unless it's massively upgraded by his crew which is totally possible) would be a step back.
If you're just reading this post without having read my previous commentary, it might look like I'm anti-suit which I'm not. I previously listed reasons why Sanji could wear a suit again, but I don't think there's any reason for him to wear a Germa suit. But for fashion/gags? Or an improvement by Vegapunk or his crew? Sure.
Mainly for Kishido*
But what about Niji's power being unlinked to the suit?
That panel may an oversight. Being an oversight means it can/will be bullsh*tted at some point. Either way, given their resilience, I'd completely buy that he can take those charges without the suit and it's possible he used some other gadget to do that. If it was an oversight, I promise that'll be the explanation.There's that drug that sora used to stop his experiment from working, maybe judge can do Something with that. But what Is the better option, having judge come to the conclusion that he needs to Give their emotions back himself, or just Have them awaken on their own because of sanji, but then judge may learn nothing and just hate sanji even more. Sanji did awaken the powers of his Brothers 20 years later so maybe it's same for them with the emotions.
Yeah, I remember she prevented it but I was wondering if there was any kind of hint that it was reversible. If not…it'd be kinda a buttpull but, eh, whatever. Anyway, that's an astute question to be asking. You're looking at it from Oda's perspective and that's when things get interesting. My thoughts to that end are, if Judge did that, he'd be redeemed pretty heartily (aside from the bloodthirsty readers who no doubt would call for him to die for redemption). And...I personally can't see Sanji fully accepting his birth father's redemption at this time. Yes, it would be incredibly emotional but what Judge did is, by One Piece standards, unforgivable by Sanji, even with acts of redemption.
Lemme put it this way…
If Judge actually did that by his own hand, it would signal that Sanji needs to....sigh....forgive him or at least not begrudge him. I can see them tolerating each other in the future but I don't know about forgiveness. **If that happens…**I would completely expect Nami to forgive Arlong.
And…it's not often I say there are things I don't want to happen in One Piece, but wow, I kinda don't want that to happen. Nami's rejection of any sort of racist inclinations were already DESTROYED on Fishman Island, but racism aside, you can still hate a guy for killing your mother. If she does that, I dunno...it would mean she's a bigger and better person than me but I really just (selfishly) want Arlong to remain an evil-hearted villain. I recognize that as selfish and it would be holding characters back from what is undeniably growth. But...having some evil people be evil is one of One Piece's final semblances of realism and it would be a shame to lose that from my perspective. However, I understand and respect how others would respect such growth.
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But Greg, the raid suit's are so cool!
I had assumed that the raid suits must do something since it seems Sanji's brothers got a considerable power up when they wore them, or else why would they put them on at all?
That being said you make some really good points, the raid suits probably done
But a man can still dream can't he?
although I still think it might be possible that Vegapunk could update it, but again that's just me daydreaming
also I never even thought it was Caribou, good call, I thought it was just Zoro being on the verge of death
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? You mean Caribou cosplaying?
Given Caribou's fondness for a scythe, if it's not him just using bones and stuff he picked up from the field the next thing I'd expect it to be would be side-effects of the medication.
As for the grim reaper being related with Enma, they don't really meld together well thematically Buddhism and Western Death. On the other hand, not like One Piece doesn't meld themes ALL THE TIME, and we totally know there's a land of the dead and souls are alllll sorts of important, I just don't think Oda's going to personify death and he already pulled that particular mish-mash of cultural themes in Impel Down and even recently here on Onigashima. He totally could. He personified a ship's soul, so why not Death's 'soul'. Maybe this is his way of giving us a soft intro to how he intends to portray his lifestream of sorts that I've been talking about since Haki became a thing, but it seems a bit too…on the nose?
I don't dislike the theory. I said I think it's viable. I just (personally) don't think it's worth pursuing what OP could be at this junction. That's just me, I think people definitely should.
Maybe I'm not clear on why some fans think he needs the raid suit? I think it looks great but what's the point of him having it for function? He's proven that his body is the raid suit now and it can best the individual functions of all other raid suits combined. That was why Oda put all of them in Queen, to say, "Hey, look, Sanji just beat all of his siblings' abilities." On top of being super resilient, he can now phase out of sight so like...what would even be the point of a raid suit? That's kinda why he went through this arc:
He used it
It awoke innate resilience
He can use that resilience but his strength is his own and always has been.
He encompasses compassion with power and resilience.
He can also 'vanish' now.
He proved that Sora was right and Judge was wrong to remove compassion.It's presented in a haphazard way and Oda stopped hitting readers over the head with his points but that's the reason for the season.
So at this point, using a raid suit for function (unless it's massively upgraded by his crew which is totally possible) would be a step back.
If you're just reading this post without having read my previous commentary, it might look like I'm anti-suit which I'm not. I previously listed reasons why Sanji could wear a suit again, but I don't think there's any reason for him to wear a Germa suit. But for fashion/gags? Or an improvement by Vegapunk or his crew? Sure.
Mainly for Kishido*
But what about Niji's power being unlinked to the suit?
That panel may an oversight. Being an oversight means it can/will be bullsh*tted at some point. Either way, given their resilience, I'd completely buy that he can take those charges without the suit and it's possible he used some other gadget to do that. If it was an oversight, I promise that'll be the explanation.Yeah, I remember she prevented it but I was wondering if there was any kind of hint that it was reversible. If not…it'd be kinda a buttpull but, eh, whatever. Anyway, that's an astute question to be asking. You're looking at it from Oda's perspective and that's when things get interesting. My thoughts to that end are, if Judge did that, he'd be redeemed pretty heartily (aside from the bloodthirsty readers who no doubt would call for him to die for redemption). And...I personally can't see Sanji fully accepting his birth father's redemption at this time. Yes, it would be incredibly emotional but what Judge did is, by One Piece standards, unforgivable by Sanji, even with acts of redemption.
Lemme put it this way…
If Judge actually did that by his own hand, it would signal that Sanji needs to....sigh....forgive him or at least not begrudge him. I can see them tolerating each other in the future but I don't know about forgiveness. **If that happens…**I would completely expect Nami to forgive Arlong.
And…it's not often I say there are things I don't want to happen in One Piece, but wow, I kinda don't want that to happen. Nami's rejection of any sort of racist inclinations were already DESTROYED on Fishman Island, but racism aside, you can still hate a guy for killing your mother. If she does that, I dunno...it would mean she's a bigger and better person than me but I really just (selfishly) want Arlong to remain an evil-hearted villain. I recognize that as selfish and it would be holding characters back from what is undeniably growth. But...having some evil people be evil is one of One Piece's final semblances of realism and it would be a shame to lose that from my perspective. However, I understand and respect how others would respect such growth.
Happened in two separate chapters, with one showing them as babies. It also happened 3 separate occasions if we count the anime
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I agree the rad suit is cool but I don't like the idea that his final form is something that alludes to his family. It completely goes against the themes of Sanji's character arc. This would be the equivallent of Law adopting Doflamingo themes.
It was already difficult to swallow Sanji's family becoming allies during WCI, but at least that made sense since it was used to highlight Sanji's compassion. But him wearing the raid suit only works because we got to see him stepping on it before the arc ended.
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I agree the rad suit is cool but I don't like the idea that his final form is something that alludes to his family. It completely goes against the themes of Sanji's character arc. This would be the equivallent of Law adopting Doflamingo themes.
It was already difficult to swallow Sanji's family becoming allies during WCI, but at least that made sense since it was used to highlight Sanji's compassion. But him wearing the raid suit only works because we got to see him stepping on it before the arc ended.
Uh…hate to break it to you but...even Doflamingo noticed this
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He didn't though. He mostly just adoped themes related to Corazon.
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Greg have you ever said who you think Sanji’s match up will be in the Black Beard Pirates?
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Hi, Greg. It's been a while. I hope you're doing better. By the way, I have a question about the D.
I find it odd that the World Government somehow never erased the D from the wanted posters of D people. If it is heavily connected to the Void Century which they want so desperately to cover up, then why include the letter? Even the one D among the ranks of the Marines, Garp, has his D middle initial be known among the public.
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It doesn't make a difference wether it's public or not. The majority of the world doesn't care about it anyway, it's just a hand full of people intrigued by it.
It would make more sense to hide it if it's a marine with a D. because then it would seem like the D. are all evil.They didn't achieve anything by hiding it on Roger's poster. He stirred up the world anyway.
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Happened in two separate chapters, with one showing them as babies. It also happened 3 separate occasions if we count the anime
Yeah, you're right, I seem to remember some panel of them showing off powers etc. But what I said still applies.
As for anime, the anime is the anime until proven not to be anime ^o^
This would be the equivallent of Law adopting Doflamingo themes.
That's my whole point about why it's problematic. I don't think anyone would argue that. The difference is, we're talking about redemption and forgiveness which, unless he gains humanity or allows public vulnerability (ie. takes off his sunglasses and shows the readers his eyes), Doflamingo will never get. If there was any chance of that happening I'd be saying the same stuff about Mingo but Mingo (luckily) seems to be one of the characters Oda has zero interest in redeeming.
Regarding D,
Depends if having it helps them or harms them. While Zhenja is correct, yes, the WG is VERY thorough when it comes to erasing stuff but we also need to remember that…some of that was done for plot points/progression>world building so not everything will always add up. Your point stands that they're very aggressive on some fronts while lax on others but overall, considering the intricacies of the story, I think Oda has it sealed pretty tight. Either way it's tough to comment on without actually knowing what the D is or its relationship to the WG (the assumption being, it's bad news for them).
Greg have you ever said who you think Sanji’s match up will be in the Black Beard Pirates?
He always seems to go up against martial artists/brawlers so Jesus is the safe bet though I feel Champion VS Franky would be funny personality-wise. I haven't given it much thought beyond that. I can also envision him facing Devon and utilizing a technique I imagined he might use in Wano but didn't.
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Thanks for the response, Greg.
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Hey Greg — glad to see that AP Forums has returned.
What do you think about the theory surrounding the Rubber Rubber Fruit actually being something like the Oil Oil Fruit or the Fat Fat Fruit?
YouTuber Yude-ron published a compelling theory on this recently and it certainly has me intrigued, as it explains a lot of mysterious circumstances surrounding Luffy’s abilities:
- Luffy's regen after eating meat or drinking milk is because he replenishes the fat inside of himself
- Luffy using Red Hawk underwater against Hody Jones
- Luffy running and leaving a blazing trail of fire in the icy side of Punk Hazard before confronting Caesar
- Lucky Roo's particular panic about Luffy eating the fruit… alongside their similar mannerisms
- Shanks stole a mysterious fruit from the WG and Who's Who's subsequent imprisonment
- A mysteriously misnamed Devil Fruit being referred to by the Five Elder Stars in their first appearance since the Levely (What did Shanks tell them…?)
- Luffy not burning when hit by Kaido’s Borobreath (obv not “GUTS!!”) or Ace’s flames at Marineford
- Luffy’s exploding attacks. It almost certainly seems like Luffy is able to kick an arrow and blow it up in the early chapters of Onigashima
There’s a lot of fascinating implications here if so. Could Ace/Sabo’s fruit act as fuel? What was Shanks’ grand plan with the fruit? Is there a reason why Luffy’s fruit and Teach’s fruit look so similar?
Also… since oil floats on water… can Luffy not die from drowning? Think about all of the near fatal encounters in the water… wouldn’t it be ironic if Luffy’s weakness was more psychological? After all… at eight, he was an “anchor” already prior to consuming the DF.
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For some reason I always thought Sanji would fight Vasco Shot, especially if Vasco Shot has some sort of Drunken Fist fighting style, like you said Sanji always fights Martial Artists