Kin is the best non-death in the series because Oda actually tricks us with a neat double callback (to punk hazard and to Kaido cutting him). I have no problem with it. And the idea that Kiku isn't quite dead yet and is just in the bleeding out phase is fine with me.
Chapter 1030: Echoing the Impermanence of All Things
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On the subject of deaths, I didn’t expect either Kiku or Kin to be dead because I doubt any character will die off-screen. However, I did consider out of the picture and potentially dying on-screen with some last meaningful words or action at some point.
While Kin’s way of survival is funny and makes sense, I do think it was a poor choice to do it since this arc is already lacking in stakes, and this doesn’t help at all to keep any tension going. We got too many tension-defusing moments already. We qctually need some moments of despair. Right now, there’s not a single reader who dreads the possibility of failure. The heroes have been doing too well, to the point we got spare heroes (like Franky and Jinbe) chilling in the sidelines.
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So the concept of awakening your devil fruit does really mean applying the power you gained to objects or humans beside you.
Crocodile is a sand-man (logia). His basic power was turning himself into sand and shooting sand from his body (sandblades, sandstorms). His awakened power allowed him to turn the ground or bodies to sand (dry out).
Doflamingo is a string-man (paramecia). His basic power is the creation and manipulation of strings created from his body. His awakened power turned other objects (ground and buildings) into strings, which he then used as weapons.
Law is an operation-man (paramecia). His basic power is to create a room, inside of which he can operate objects and people as he sees fit (swap, cut). His awakened power allows him to infuse his room into his sword.
Kid is a magnet-man (paramecia). His basic power allows him to pull metallic objects to his body and and also to forcefully repel them. His awakened power infuses his power to another person, turning them into a crazy magnet.Going by this logic, an awakened Luffy should be able to turn his surroundings to rubber. Mochi-man could create donut->arms from thin air, maybe Luffy no longer needs G4 to skywalk but turns air into rubber platforms or something.
Also to increase the velocity and unpredictability of his attacks, especially gattling variants or snakeman.
Also him turning your leg into rubber and then swinging you and slamming you around.
Would also have cool options if he was a weapons user (like a bo stick).A lot happened in the chapter, but it was kind of a mess with the survival asspulls.
Kin got split in half, if the former Law cut applied here, there would not be a ton of blood as displayed. This one is really, really bad.
Dear Wano samurai, please learn to behead you oponent. Kanjuro still being able to create a fire apparition after both Kiku and Kin owned him is ridiculous. Holy shit.
Now, I might have remembered it incorrectly, but wasn´t Apoo cut down by Zoro of all people? Yet here he looks like he just got dirty doing some gardening. I really dislike this character.
Kiku got a frontal sword through her (err his) abdomen. Being not dead yet but close to it is the most sensible of the bunch.
Then again, how is somebody like Usopp supposed to save Kiku, bandaid and call it a day? They need Law or someone with a similar hax-like power for such internal wounds.Law and Kid vs BM was really good, Law dealing damage from inside her head by rooming his sword to penetrate her skin was neat.
Having a hundred ton of metal stuck to you is pretty difficult to handle even for somebody like BM.
I´d say not enough to kill her, but incapacitation/crippling is possible (I mean how do you actually move with like 50 meters of metal everywhere around you) and that would be a big feat in my book.
Would be cool if she exhausted her souls to turn all of the metal to her underlings to get out, only to become a weak old lady ready for retirement afterwards, incapable of murdering everyone left and right on a whim anymore.What else, fire monster seems to be a plot device to create a more direct time constraint for Yamato to do her thing.
Did somebody tell Oda that the island falling was Momo´s job now and Yamato running off to the armory didn´t feel important enough anymore, so he revived Kanjuro again?
Dunno, both of these feel forced.Anyway, overall the chapter was a good read, despite some of the weird stuff that happened.
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Could be, good though. I thought Law's move names were meant to lean French, after "Chambres," but "Shock Wille" this week kinda contradicts that anyway. Not that it would be the first or last example of Oda mixing his metaphors. I'll be interested to see what more multilingual fans come up with for it.
I've seen some people also use it for "chrome", as in stainless steel that is used to reinforce surgical tools. It would fit since Law is coating his scalpel with it.
Law's techniques are mostly a random mix of english and german. He also has "sterben", which is a german term. And "mes", which is dutch. Stuff like "scan" and "takt" are also similar in both english and german. ("tact" means touch, while the german "takt" can also refer to conducting music, so there's a double meaning).
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Obviously Oda has not thinked about awakening very much and it is just a concept he has added to give the characters a power up. But like for haki, it is messy and it is very hard to make it completely organic.
It's best not to find excuse to try to give it some sense when it cannot.To me there's no reason to assume Law always had awakening. Nothing in the story supports that.
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Great chapter, liked it whole, mostly because the most interesting supernovas are all in it.
Ok so, let's start with Apoo's proposal, I think I do have more or less an idea of what Apoo has in mind, we've discussed this several times actually. Drake, as a SWORD agent could carry out a lot of arrests here, but due to being alone, that would be a titanic task for him alone, this is where Apoo and the Numbers come in, we all know only Kaido, The Calamities, and the TR would all be required to be taken out of Wano, and with Apoo and three Numbers, that's just about enough help for Drake, and Apoo is kind of implying that he would come out of this protected by the Marines and with huge profits from it.
I also think is unlikely that Drake would betray Luffy, he would be agreeing with Apoo as long as they both act in favor of Luffy as long as he remains standing.
lmao, that salvador dalí looking like Number is the greatest so far.
Kin'emon's survival.. well to begin with, we were never sold that he was dead so..
That San Juan Smiley thingy, there's one thing very clear about it, Kanjuro created it with specific details(sentient and intangible), so that Kinemon's cutting fire ability don't work on him, he's likely going to try but he will fail, Kanjuro of all people knows about Kinemons ability, so it makes perfect sense.
I would say we should consider this as the torikago of this arc, it'll keep everyone busy trying to stop it desperately.
BTW, the SH's and the alliance in general are unaware of the gunpowder below them, only Yamato knows about the real danger that San Juan Smiley represents, so this would make pretty obvious that Yamato is about to have those expected interactions with the SH's sooner than later.
Now about awakening.. yup, now I can see Kidd and Law's victory over Big Mom.
magnetism attracts electricity, imagine one of those thunders of Big Mom being redirected to herself with Kidd's awakening, that sounds like a good finisher attack.
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Great chapter, liked it whole, mostly because the most interesting supernovas are all in it.
Ok so, let's start with Apoo's proposal, I think I do have more or less an idea of what Apoo has in mind, we've discussed this several times actually. Drake, as a SWORD agent could carry out a lot of arrests here, but due to being alone, that would be a titanic task for him alone, this is where Apoo and the Numbers come in, we all know only Kaido, The Calamities, and the TR would all be required to be taken out of Wano, and with Apoo and three Numbers, that's just about enough help for Drake, and Apoo is kind of implying that he would come out of this protected by the Marines and with huge profits from it.
I also think is unlikely that Drake would betray Luffy, he would be agreeing with Apoo as long as they both act in favor of Luffy as long as he remains standing.
lmao, that salvador dalí looking like Number is the greatest so far.
Kin'emon's survival.. well to begin with, we were never sold that he was dead so..
That San Juan Smiley thingy, there's one thing very clear about it, Kanjuro created it with specific details(sentient and intangible), so that Kinemon's cutting fire ability don't work on him, he's likely going to try but he will fail, Kanjuro of all people knows about Kinemons ability, so it makes perfect sense.
I would say we should consider this as the torikago of this arc, it'll keep everyone busy trying to stop it desperately.
BTW, the SH's and the alliance in general are unaware of the gunpowder below them, only Yamato knows about the real danger that San Juan Smiley represents, so this would make pretty obvious that Yamato is about to have those expected interactions with the SH's sooner than later.
Now about awakening.. yup, now I can see Kidd and Law's victory over Big Mom.
magnetism attracts electricity, imagine one of those thunders of Big Mom being redirected to herself with Kidd's awakening, that sounds like a good finisher attack.
No way Big Mom is going down. The top tier characters have shown they can take some brutal amounts of punishment and still get back up very fast.
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I kind of need Kidd and Law to pull out their fancy and chosen haki to really lay into her while her insides are on fire. At this point i'd rather have them trash her than have them trick her some way. Out with the old in with the new y'know
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No way Big Mom is going down. The top tier characters have shown they can take some brutal amounts of punishment and still get back up very fast.
Maybe she won’t or maybe she will. I’ll go with the maybe she won’t for now. But these CP0 idiots got me curious, they seem to think that they are gonna bring the house down on everyone including the 2 yonkou. What kind of power do they have to think this way?.
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Maybe she won’t or maybe she will. I’ll go with the maybe she won’t for now. But these CP0 idiots got me curious, they seem to think that they are gonna bring the house down on everyone including the 2 yonkou. What kind of power do they have to think this way?.
I'm almost certain it's that new Vegapunk weapon. They couldn't be this cocky in the middle of a crisis otherwise.
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I'm almost certain it's that new Vegapunk weapon. They couldn't be this cocky in the middle of a crisis otherwise.
what kind of weapon is this?. I don’t remember it being mentioned.
The only thing i remember that could challenge the yonkou is the five stars talking to Im about this culling they do whenever things get out of controlStill the cockiness of these CP0s is getting me mad.
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I kind of need Kidd and Law to pull out their fancy and chosen haki to really lay into her while her insides are on fire. At this point i'd rather have them trash her than have them trick her some way. Out with the old in with the new y'know
I thought I could trust you to resist the new with me until the end.
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what kind of weapon is this?. I don’t remember it being mentioned.
The only thing i remember that could challenge the yonkou is the five stars talking to Im about this culling they do whenever things get out of controlStill the cockiness of these CP0s is getting me mad.
Go back to the Reverie and what Fujitora said, about some amazing new weapon Vegapunk and the SSG have created.
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I kind of need Kidd and Law to pull out their fancy and chosen haki to really lay into her while her insides are on fire. At this point i'd rather have them trash her than have them trick her some way. Out with the old in with the new y'know
There is no way Kid and Law are done with their awakening attacks. "Last resort" in shonen means they will spam it until they win. Then again Big Mom is not done either. The real battle has just begun!
Last week when I suggested this ppl are riled, saying Big Mom still has role to fulfill, blablabla etc… well, she's going down.
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That monster Kanjuro made looks like the blob that he appeared as in the flashback when he was a kid. I guess it's supposed to be a final embodiment of all his hatred? Pretty cool I guess.
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I'm also in the camp that really loved this chapter and all the developments it brought. The island falling has been a flop for an "arc ending drama situation" for awhile now, but these out of control fires and an impending explosion have finally gotten me interested and invested in seeing how things are gonna end. It's much better as something everyone is gonna get stuck dealing with. Although I think the island exploding is inevitable at this point, so I'm curious when the calls to evacuate will start.
I've always appreciated One Piece's aversion to deaths, so Kinemon/Kanjuro/Kiku's situation to me was just the perfect amount of hilarious with Kinemon's legs combined with some real feels for how serious and close to death the 3 really do look. Now that Ussop and Hamlet are on their way to the rescue, we'll likely see the true end for Kanjuro soon. Ussop's gonna have to medvac Kinemon and Kiku to a safer location, so either Kanjuro will be left behind to burn in the attic, or we'll get a surprise "Please grab him too, Ussohachi." Kinemon just laid witness to how Orochi's manipulated Kanjuro's poor mental state all these years, there could certainly be some good material there for how things will end with them. Or just a somber burning away in the attic for the poor insane acting fool.
The Apoo and Drake development is a little bit sketch. It's been a long while coming, but it's still a bit disappointing to see Apoo's not gonna take a shot at Queen for what he made him suffer through with the virus antidote. Nobody who tries to wait out the war to pick off the survivors ever wins out in the end, so this almost seems too obviously gonna go in the direction of Apoo getting backstabbed himself. Drake doesn't exactly seem like he'd bother trying to convince Apoo to go with a different plan though, nor does it seem likely that he'd fight them 1v4, so I'm not really sure how else this could go. Hoping to be pleasantly surprised by how this is gonna develop.
And cp0 are finally on the move to finally give us maybe a few more things to keep characters busy near the end. Maybe the duo will end up confronting Brook and Robin, while the 3rd has goon off to check on WW and will end up fighting Jinbe?
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Just after I praised the last chapter we get this mess. In an already bloated arc that is nearing it's climax and already is setting up the Marine as well as the Blackbeard Pirates and/or Moria coming to Wano at the end we now get a new plot point with Apoo and Drake, CP0 now already being on the move, the Oro-Juro-Blob and the first 100 callers will get these 6 steak as a bonus for free! Yeah, I know, people will say there's a reason to why Oda includes this and that it will be a part of the complete picture at the end. I have no doubts there. What I have my doubts about if the complete picture even needs all those elements. Looking at Dressrosa for instance I would say that we don't always need ever single new plot thread. Also it doesn't help that those things were thrown into the plot in one chapter. Terrible, terrible chapter.
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Kinemon, Kanjuro and Kiku being alive is one of the worst things in the series. Especially the Kin stuff since Kaido didn’t cut him, he stabbed him
Also now we will go to the infinite stamina of Law and Kid
Don’t know what to say but Oda is kinda dropping the ball with the big fights here. He doesn’t know what he is doing. I mean if Kaido and Mom don’t show awakening then Oda neglected on purpose to have them lose
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For all we know, Big Mom's DF may be already awakened. I think Soul Pocus could be called an awakening technique since it has the "do something extreme compared to what the DF originally does" vibe that other paramecia awakening seem to have.
The same way as WB's imbuing his weapon probably can be retroactively explained as using an awakening technique.
You can call it retcon but I'm fine with that.
Regarding Kin being stabbed and the parts being detached in consequence, that reminds of the procedure I had to do to open my laptop a few months ago lol.
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Kinemon, Kanjuro and Kiku being alive is one of the worst things in the series. Especially the Kin stuff since Kaido didn’t cut him, he stabbed him
Also now we will go to the infinite stamina of Law and Kid
Don’t know what to say but Oda is kinda dropping the ball with the big fights here. He doesn’t know what he is doing. I mean if Kaido and Mom don’t show awakening then Oda neglected on purpose to have them lose
I agree that Kinemon would have worked better with me, if we had seen him being sliced in two instead of stab. But I suppose, Oda had not the idea of reusing the Punk Hazard joke at that time.
For the awakenings, I guess Oda finally wants it to start being a thing. It's a bit sad that it was not also introduced during the tobi ropo fights as the concept was introduced with Zoan fruits. I hope we will see the awaken version of Kaidou. -
Momo won't be able to stop the island from falling, but just at that moment, Moria comes and steals everyone's shadow and increses his size to stop Onigashima from smashing into the island.
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I mean if Kaido and Mom don’t show awakening then Oda neglected on purpose to have them lose
What more do you want to see?
I'm also one of those who think that Big Mom is using awakening all the time, especially in creating Totoland. But she is already one of the most intimidating characters with her pure strenght and durability alone AND we have a ton of abilities added due to her DF and she is constantly showing new applications of her devil fruit.
For Kaido as a zoan user its just more dragonball BS. He has his forms and sure, you can add another one, or a Haki Awakening one, or a 2nd Awakening: Yonkou Style, but in the end its just another transformation that makes him hit harder and faster. His hybrid is enough for that.
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I think this is an okay-ish conclusion to the Big mom fight, if the two edgelords now move to something else /but the should be now too exhausted to contribute to more fighting and focus on escape the fire) and she stay stuck under those debris till the end, to re-emerge in the immediate aftermath of kaido's defeat to go back to her wildcard shenanigans. This way kid and law get to look good while BM gets to look not too bad.
I'm so happy that oda actually brought back ass talking kin'emon that i'm just fine with whatever bullshit brought us there.
Also i'm sincerely baffled at how many people actually believed that any of the Ks were dead.Now, talking for a moment about broken DF powers… Kanjuro can apparently conjure abstract an conceptual properties into his drawnings, somehow, What stopped him from conjuring for himself an indestructible armor or an invincible weapon, we'll never know.
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Momo won't be able to stop the island from falling, but just at that moment, Moria comes and steals everyone's shadow and increses his size to stop Onigashima from smashing into the island.
And then willingly gives them back cuz he's a nice guy?
Moria showing up now to steal shadows would be quite the opportune moment to kill most ppl cuz he'd literally just have to wait until the dawn to win.
Thing is haki will probably be the reason he doesn't get the shadows of the stronger villains.
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I'm so happy that oda actually brought back ass talking kin'emon that i'm just fine with whatever bullshit brought us there.
Also i'm sincerely baffled at how many people actually believed that any of the Ks were dead.With Luffy having been friends with Kinemon since 2012, him not getting any sort of monologue that Ace and Whitebeard got, and him not reuniting with his long-lost wife Tsuru or fulfilling Oden's dream, I found less reason to resonate with the idea that it was meant to be death even then and didn't see it beyond another showcase of shounen dramatic tension, akin to Zoro's determination bracing through Kuma's pain blast.
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"Please grab him too, Ussohachi." Kinemon just laid witness to how Orochi's manipulated Kanjuro's poor mental state all these years, there could certainly be some good material there for how things will end with them. Or just a somber burning away in the attic for the poor insane acting fool.
Now I'm sad because we know Oda doesn't have the time to make it happen, but I'd love to see Usopp rescuing both of them only to put one in front of the other and they end up having a heartfelt ending dialogue while passing away together. Holy, my wild guess is that the Mysterious Healer is coming to meet the 3K and Usopp will be the one to uncover her identity (which is supposed to be Hyori - explaining why Denjiro is nowhere to be seeing: he's protecting her).
What stopped him from conjuring for himself an indestructible armor or an invincible weapon, we'll never know.
Playing devil's advocate here, I like to think that a true "invencible" weapon or armor is impossible to be made if you admit that the concept won't automatically invoke Word of God to be true. For instance, if you are in charge of creating an invincible weapon, you have to create the necessary attributes to make it that powerful. It ends up being limited by the artist's knowledge and power. And the mindset of a feudal samurai might not be able to create something that rings invincibility to the rest of the world. With that said, the idea of Burning Rage Blob works thematically well in that regard and is quite powerful on it's own. Too bad that Yamato's snow powers might be the perfect counter to that.
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Greg seems to have stumbled upon
that I haven't seen brought up here yet:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211102/2139e3b9919146599746d6ee012f470d.jpg
Number 6 might have already been defeated by Luffy at the Torii in front of Onigashima
I guess that makes sense. A little anticlimactic, but it's clear by now the Numbers were never meant to be the kind of characters who provide climaxes.
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Oh, but shouldn't that one have appeared on the Numbers' Vivre Card if this is the case? Considering how many uncoloured panels were used on that one, it would have been an easy choice to grab those frames from the presumably more-worked on volume 97 to fill it out.
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Also now we will go to the infinite stamina of Law and Kid
You know whose infinite stamina and durability are so played out and impossible to the point of annoyance? Big Mom and Kaido. For no good reason, they're just "Welp nothing hurts us lol! shrug". Geez, at least Whitebeard had the decency to bleed, take damage, get maimed, and STILL keep fighting. As far as I can tell, Kaidou and Big Mom are still on their feet and fighting simply because nothing hurts them because…reasons?
I'm actually quite over it! And I'm glad to:
A. Finally see this ridiculous, inexplicable, and plot-convenient level of durability and can't-touch-this-ness from a character who's NOT the size of a MAC truck, and
B. See Big Mom's unjustifiably smug ass finally take a hit!No, seriously! She's been talking shit, ridiculing her opponents, keekeeing her way through Onigashima literally THE ENTIRE ARC. To be fair, so has Kaidou. But see, when Kaidou does it, it's because he's been taking a beating and fighting back, in the thick of the action the entire time and pulling through, taking his opponents seriously when they've presented themselves that way. In short, he's earned his smack-talk. And Big Mom has just been doing it cause she knows she's a Yonkou and nothing can hurt her any way, and it's way less earned.
So yes: Bleed, Big Mom! This is a pirate's duel to the death (but not really cause One Piece). I hope she finally sees these are opponents who CAN hurt her; maybe even bring her down, if she isn't careful. God forbid she might actually have to gasp earn this victory.
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You know whose infinite stamina and durability are so played out and impossible to the point of annoyance? Big Mom and Kaido. For no good reason, they're just "Welp nothing hurts us lol! shrug". Geez, at least Whitebeard had the decency to bleed, take damage, get maimed, and STILL keep fighting. As far as I can tell, Kaidou and Big Mom are still on their feet and fighting simply because nothing hurts them because…reasons?
I'm actually quite over it! And I'm glad to:
A. Finally see this ridiculous, inexplicable, and plot-convenient level of durability and can't-touch-this-ness from a character who's NOT the size of a MAC truck, and
B. See Big Mom's unjustifiably smug ass finally take a hit!No, seriously! She's been talking shit, ridiculing her opponents, keekeeing her way through Onigashima literally THE ENTIRE ARC. To be fair, so has Kaidou. But see, when Kaidou does it, it's because he's been taking a beating and fighting back, in the thick of the action the entire time and pulling through, taking his opponents seriously when they've presented themselves that way. In short, he's earned his smack-talk. And Big Mom has just been doing it cause she knows she's a Yonkou and nothing can hurt her any way, and it's way less earned.
So yes: Bleed, Big Mom! This is a pirate's duel to the death (but not really cause One Piece). I hope she finally sees these are opponents who CAN hurt her; maybe even bring her down, if she isn't careful. God forbid she might actually have to gasp earn this victory.
Near invulnerability, knowing you have it, and gloating that your opponents can't hurt you in any meaningful way isn't something that has to be earned. She was born that way.
No reason she shouldn't mock those who are basically ants trying to take down a 30 story building.
I felt like Oda established real well that BM was just born more powerful than most. Its part of what makes her so intimidating and such a scary villain.
Even with all that she's smart enough to dodge certain attacks and can spot the really dangerous ones.
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I hated the Apoo/Drake stuff. This arc has gone on too long already and we don't need it. Same with CP0/the Marines. And I'm not even a little bit invested in whatever side plot Oda invented to give everyone something to do when their fights are over. Just stop, Oda.
I pretty much liked everything else though. Bringing back Kinemon's legs was genius. And as much as I love Big Mom, I'm ready for her to take some real damage. Yonko invulnerability makes Whitebeard look bad retroactively.
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I hated the Apoo/Drake stuff. This arc has gone on too long already and we don't need it. Same with CP0/the Marines. And I'm not even a little bit invested in whatever side plot Oda invented to give everyone something to do when their fights are over. Just stop, Oda.
I pretty much liked everything else though. Bringing back Kinemon's legs was genius. And as much as I love Big Mom, I'm ready for her to take some real damage. Yonko invulnerability makes Whitebeard look bad retroactively.
Or makes him look better depending on your perspective!
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Yonko invulnerability keeps making me think about how tough was young WB. Also, how bad Marineford could've gone fore the Marines if he was indeed still in good health.
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I basically love everything about the character Big Mom and the only thing I don't like about Kaido is that we don't know enough about him yet. Great designs, powers, and personalities.
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Yonko invulnerability keeps making me think about how tough was young WB. Also, how bad Marineford could've gone fore the Marines if he was indeed still in good health.
I don't think they would have tried Whitebeard if he wasn't so sick.
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I pretty much liked everything else though. Bringing back Kinemon's legs was genius. And as much as I love Big Mom, I'm ready for her to take some real damage. Yonko invulnerability makes Whitebeard look bad retroactively.
I like to keep in mind that unlike the others was the oldest of the emperors, further put of his prime, and actually sick.
Kaido's not even human, Big Mom is an anomaly that seems to only get stronger from all that unhealthy eating, and Shanks and Teach are still the new kids on the block.
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Invincible villains are boring tho. They force the writer to come up with outlandish, asspull-ish way to defeat them.
Do you remember Madara? He is so damn invincible Kishimoto literally summoned a space flea to kill him.
Villains with weaknesses, proving that they're just human and therefore, can bleed and be defeated despited all of their superiority, made for a more interesting story.
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Invincible villains are boring tho. They force the writer to come up with outlandish, asspull-ish way to defeat them.
Do you remember Madara? He is so damn invincible Kishimoto literally summoned a space flea to kill him.
Villains with weaknesses, proving that they're just human and therefore, can bleed and be defeated despited all of their superiority, made for a more interesting story.
Well she's not invincible just close to invulnerable.
I've been and always enjoyed the Kaido and Big Mom fights cuz it shows how many levels you have to reach before you can defeat them. I feel like Oda's shown that progression showing what it took to kill Whitebeard, Luffy failing at Sabaody and then to save Ace, then Luffy reaching new levels beating Doflamingo and out lasting Katakuri.
As for the topic, I try not to reference the worst examples like w/e trash Kishi was coming up with in Naruto. Most of that manga post timeskip is a blur to me cuz it was so bad and I stopped caring.
If we're talking near invulnerable characters (that eventually lose) I like to think of Yujiro Hanma from Baki. Just on a different level. Majority of his opponents all inferior and there mostly to entertain him. To me he's also a good comparison to OP' top tier characters, the likes of Whitebeard, Big Mom, and Kaido given his feats. In the end, Baki just had to keep leveling up to take down his dad.
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A recent chapter has shown that Kaidou strength and stamina is not infinite.
Big mum appears more invincible. "She was born that way", well I suppose we won't have more explanation than that.
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Kidd and Law taking down Big Mum would kill the manga.
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Kidd and Law taking down Big Mum would kill the manga.
Eh if i survived Imu i'm pretty much immune to dissapointment.
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Eh if i survived Imu i'm pretty much immune to dissapointment.
How could Imu have ruined anything? We've seen him (her?) in like 5 panels
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How could Imu have ruined anything? We've seen him (her?) in like 5 panels
16 characters of by existing.
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Imu was bound to exist. But the seniors of this forum spent like a decade despising the fact that the WG had a huge role to play in the final war, that now it became "bAd wRiTiNG". I mean, apparently it still is a worldwide super-secret, just like the name of the gorosei dudes. And maybe Imu is a redherring, who knows. But I'm glad we're done with the persons insulting others for believing that the WG had a leader of some sort, wether it was one of the gorosei dudes or something someone shomewhere…
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Imu was bound to exist. But the seniors of this forum spent like a decade despising the fact that the WG had a huge role to play in the final war, that now it became "bAd wRiTiNG". I mean, apparently it still is a worldwide super-secret, just like the name of the gorosei dudes. And maybe Imu is a redherring, who knows. But I'm glad we're done with the persons insulting others for believing that the WG had a leader of some sort, wether it was one of the gorosei dudes or something someone shomewhere…
How does that work? Seems really odd to me that people would think that. I guess I'm partly conditioned by my current knowledge of the story, and we can't really blame people for not having anticipated the plot to evolve into what it is now… Yet since Enies Lobby, and then further with Sabaody, we knew that the World Government was bound to be the big baddie, right? That shedding light on the hidden story was One Piece's endgame?
And in that regard I don't see the difference between 5 people being at the head of the organization as opposed to 1. To me, having 1 puppet-master could help solve some of the questions I've always asked myself in regards to the WG: why do they support Celestial Dragons to this extent? I'm thinking they're useful to Imu somehow. From what we know from the story it would be much easier for the WG to not have to indulge the CD's awful lifestyle.Also, the most surprising elements of Imu's introduction were not Imu herself, but rather the things that she kept for an unknown purpose; the giant Straw Hat, the bounty posters. Even her sitting on the throne wasn't that mind-blowing (we didn't even know there was a hidden throne in the first place).
EDIT: One more thing. I can imagine the argument against Imu being: "Well, as long as we had Gorosei, we could see their role in maintaining order as a necessary one. The ends justify the means – and the Gorosei as people are decent, doing their best (cf. the look of regret when they had to put down that Ohara archeologist). Creating a single arbitrary villain sets him (her?) up as the ultimate evil that our characters must destroy to open the path for good".
That argument doesn't hold because we: (a) have no clue what Imu's motivations are. & (b) Celestial Dragons exist, and therefore doom the possibility of the WG being "the lesser evil" kind of organization.EDIT 2: @Nilitch --> I am curious to know why you think that Imu was bound to exist. Seems like an interesting take and I'd like to know more.
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I don't really remember it but I was gone from here for like 10 years so maybe I just missed it.
Forget the final war, Dragon had to be raging/rebelling against a central figure not just dozens of kings and queens. Makes sense there was a secret leader with connections to the void century.
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A recent chapter has shown that Kaidou strength and stamina is not infinite.
Big mum appears more invincible. "She was born that way", well I suppose we won't have more explanation than that.
Though It is a bit an easy way for Oda to escape logic, that's also why I'm more intersted in how he will tell us how she will be defeatedI think it's interesting how out of the current yonko (no idea about Whitebeard), BM is the only one who is a natural prodigy. She was born to be one of the strongest people alive. Luck decided she would be a pirate rather than a marine, but had things gone a little different, she might be an admiral right now. Maybe a much happier person too, if the marines managed to train and control her eating disorder some way.
Kaido is implied to have lost battles over and over to get where he got, even his DF is themed like that. Shanks and Blackbeard seem like normal guys when they appear in flashbacks as kids. Big Mom? Her child menace status has only been surpassed by Nico Robin as far as we know.
Makes for some novel worldbuilding, imo. Some people are born with no potential and have to work hard to get there, some are born with a lot of potential but still have to train, some are already born at the top.
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