Oda did a unique act structure thing, and then suddenly a lot of people read a single wikipedia article and became experts on kabuki theater, and then based theories around that new expertise for like a year.
It's a bit silly.
Oda did a unique act structure thing, and then suddenly a lot of people read a single wikipedia article and became experts on kabuki theater, and then based theories around that new expertise for like a year.
It's a bit silly.
Can someone tell me where this image is from, it looks like it's from the Usopp Gallery Pirates but I don't know which volume.
Back when ppl thought Ace was biologically related to the Monkey clan.
Can someone tell me where this image is from, it looks like it's from the Usopp Gallery Pirates but I don't know which volume.
https://i.imgur.com/f7Rz8bj.jpeg
That's definitely the UGP background, it should be in one of them. But if we assume the earliest it could have appeared was when Garp and Dragon were established as Luffy's family in volume 45, that's a lot of volumes to check, so you might have to do that yourself…
...is what I was going to say, but I halfheartedly opened a couple at random and was lucky enough to find it on page 212 of volume 47.
That's definitely the UGP background, it should be in one of them. But if we assume the earliest it could have appeared was when Garp and Dragon were established as Luffy's family in volume 45, that's a lot of volumes to check, so you might have to do that yourself…
...is what I was going to say, but I halfheartedly opened a couple at random and was lucky enough to find it on page 212 of volume 47.
Awesome! Thank you for finding the source.
It still annoys em that the English printings took out all the awesome fanart and put in complete crap by 5 year olds in the US… and then eventually just stopped doing it entirely and left in blank pages.
It's almost certainly a permissions issue and would be more headache and hassle than it's worth to print the japanese reader's art, but still. They keep the SBS title headers so I'm not sure what the issue is.
It's especially weird when Oda eventually points out that some fans like Hori started their own series, but I guess it's a copyright issue. Gotta get permission from those Japanese kids from 20 years ago.
Do you guys think there is a reason behind Oda having Sir Crocodile and Doflamingo face off two (or was it three?) different times at Marine Ford? Do you think he was foreshadowing some sort of event in the future or was it just a random face off he did at Marineford
Do you guys think there is a reason behind Oda having Sir Crocodile and Doflamingo face off two (or was it three?) different times at Marine Ford? Do you think he was foreshadowing some sort of event in the future or was it just a random face off he did at Marineford
Crocodile and Doffy mirror each other in what they accomplished in the One Piece world, i.e (Take over a nation, subjugate it's people, be the first major antagonist/test for Luffy on each half of the Grand Line.)
The difference between them was that Doffy was successful in his initial takeover and Crocodile wasn't. I think Oda wanted to physically connect the characters so that the readers could link the two together in the story before he fleshed out Doffy in the New World.
Crocodile is still in the New World reading newspapers, honestly at this point I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being neutral/joining the final war as an Ally, because Oda let him back into the New World for a reason.
He doesn't really respect Blackbeard as far as I remember, and he's not a threat to Luffy at all. I remember being excited just because he was another plot thread to keep track of his movements. Maybe he'll continue his Whitebeard grudge with Edward Weevil or something lol.
Do you guys think there is a reason behind Oda having Sir Crocodile and Doflamingo face off two (or was it three?) different times at Marine Ford? Do you think he was foreshadowing some sort of event in the future or was it just a random face off he did at Marineford
They used to date.
Crocodile was cheating on Dragon with Doflamingo?
That is obviously the true reason why Dragon wants to take down CDs :ninja:
@statu:
That is obviously the true reason why Dragon wants to take down CDs :ninja:
Can't argue with that. Doffy has clearly the face of someone who steals both your bf and gf.
Yeah, I wasn't joking. That was a legit observation.
It doesn't even matter if you buy into femme croc theories or not.
@statu:
That is obviously the true reason why Dragon wants to take down CDs :ninja:
Nah, Doffy was Crocodile's rebound after Dragon.
If this was Bleach Doffy would definitely turn out to be Luffy's mom.
https://one-piece.com/special/greg/detail/20211027_1257.html?l=en
New column's out. One part stuck out to me, when Greg talks about Killer and his relationship with Kid, he writes this:
"(…) these two have probably been through some tough spots before; not the least of which was facing Sakazuki together at some point during the time-skip."
Soo…is this some confirmation? Speculation? Something that was already known?
Cause the Kid Pirates facing Sakazuki at some point during the timeskip is news to me. Like, it makes sense (Killer has a nasty burn injury after all), but I sure as hell didn't know that's what went on.
Edit: Or maybe he meant Shanks?
Good catch there. Interestingly, the google translated version of the Japanese column doesn't seem to have that bit at all. I tried running a search for both Shanks' and Sakazuki's names on the raw text as well and found nothing.
Would definitely love some clarification, even if it is just a typo.
Sakazuki going after some of the supernova after moving the marine headquarters to the New World side makes sense. Especially after pirates like Bonney and Kid.
Re: Sakazuki
Entirely my bad. I totally neglected to put a qualifier in there. Admittedly, I've also head-canon'd it pretty hard but still I intended to put a 'their possible confrontation with…' etc.
It's not in the JP version because sometimes I do try to get a bit more cheeky with English articles in terms of inference or mentioning copyrighted material but I didn't intend to make that a statement.
Still....I have head-canon'd it for myself pretty hard so I should reprimand my subconscious. I mean...dude's arm is shorn off and Killer (who would risk life and limb to save his partner) just coincidentally has burn marks all over him? In the end, it's One Piece and ANYTHING could have happened. They might not even be related events. But still.....^o^
My apologies for the confusion.
Unrelated....
A poster postulated that informing the OP team about 'furries' turned them off or that Oda's 'former creeper editor' who likes Carrot weirded him out and that's why he doesn't focus on minks.
1. If anything they were fascinated and wanted to know more. I made a thread on that a while back detailing the whole story of how bringing up furries became a scripted moment.
2. That 'creeper editor' is still a much-trusted editor on One Piece. One Piece has four editors, three of them dealing with different aspects of the series.
Oda doesn't focus on minks because....they're not the Strawhats and this isn't Dressrosa. There's also the very real fact that Onigashima isn't done and besides that, he's currently juggling....what? Gotta be at least 70-100 named characters in one location?
Re: Sakazuki
Entirely my bad. I totally neglected to put a qualifier in there. Admittedly, I've also head-canon'd it pretty hard but still I intended to put a 'their possible confrontation with…' etc.It's not in the JP version because sometimes I do try to get a bit more cheeky with English articles in terms of inference or mentioning copyrighted material but I didn't intend to make that a statement.
Still....I have head-canon'd it for myself pretty hard so I should reprimand my subconscious. I mean...dude's arm is shorn off and Killer (who would risk life and limb to save his partner) just coincidentally has burn marks all over him? In the end, it's One Piece and ANYTHING could have happened. They might not even be related events. But still.....^o^
My apologies for the confusion.
The burn scars I get, and it might be a neat connection if he helped get Bonney out of the tight spot she was last seen in entering the timeskip, but as for the arm…
I don't see what reason he'd have to lie about it here.
Allegedly 170 chapters left and we are still in Wano's climax with 4 big fights and many unresolved plotlines. People shouldn't take the 5 years plan that seriously, the pacing and offscreening are already destructive enough.
Re: Sakazuki
Entirely my bad. I totally neglected to put a qualifier in there. Admittedly, I've also head-canon'd it pretty hard but still I intended to put a 'their possible confrontation with…' etc.It's not in the JP version because sometimes I do try to get a bit more cheeky with English articles in terms of inference or mentioning copyrighted material but I didn't intend to make that a statement.
Still....I have head-canon'd it for myself pretty hard so I should reprimand my subconscious. I mean...dude's arm is shorn off and Killer (who would risk life and limb to save his partner) just coincidentally has burn marks all over him? In the end, it's One Piece and ANYTHING could have happened. They might not even be related events. But still.....^o^
My apologies for the confusion.
0 needs for apologies. I should've guessed it was a head-cannon thingie. And it makes sense! In fact, there should be more clashes between high ranking marines and dangerous pirates, and the Kid pirates are amongst the (supposedly) more dangerous.
But good to know I didn't miss a piece of official canon information, since those now can appear in a myriad different media - the magazine, the manga, the vivre cards, sbs… - and I don't discard just entirely missing something.
I have nothing to add. I'm just posting after Greg's last post for some reason.
Re: Sakazuki
Entirely my bad. I totally neglected to put a qualifier in there. Admittedly, I've also head-canon'd it pretty hard but still I intended to put a 'their possible confrontation with…' etc.It's not in the JP version because sometimes I do try to get a bit more cheeky with English articles in terms of inference or mentioning copyrighted material but I didn't intend to make that a statement.
Still....I have head-canon'd it for myself pretty hard so I should reprimand my subconscious. I mean...dude's arm is shorn off and Killer (who would risk life and limb to save his partner) just coincidentally has burn marks all over him? In the end, it's One Piece and ANYTHING could have happened. They might not even be related events. But still.....^o^
My apologies for the confusion.
Unrelated....
A poster postulated that informing the OP team about 'furries' turned them off or that Oda's 'former creeper editor' who likes Carrot weirded him out and that's why he doesn't focus on minks.
1. If anything they were fascinated and wanted to know more. I made a thread on that a while back detailing the whole story of how bringing up furries became a scripted moment.
2. That 'creeper editor' is still a much-trusted editor on One Piece. One Piece has four editors, three of them dealing with different aspects of the series.
Oda doesn't focus on minks because....they're not the Strawhats and this isn't Dressrosa. There's also the very real fact that Onigashima isn't done and besides that, he's currently juggling....what? Gotta be at least 70-100 named characters in one location?
I never got the impression Oda's storytelling choices would be so easily swayed or impacted by those types of things. And I agree that there's still plenty of time remaining in this arc for Oda to give the minks or one Mink in particular a larger role. Or maybe it's going to be in a future story arc.
I don't see what reason he'd have to lie about it here.
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Who says he's lying?
Greg do you think the Marines are really going to invade Wano? What will happen to that huge party Luffy said they’d have after they defeated Kaido?
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Who says he's lying?
I may be misinterpreting things, but I thought when you were saying "dude's arm is shorn off" in your theory, you were implying Sakazuki took it. So Kid got wounded by Shanks and had to survive Sakazuki after?
As with the many, many, many details of this series, a single sentence fails to encompass the entire story. Oda weaponizes exposition against readers so that they feel like they know everything when all they really know is a single sentence about what might be a far more complex scenario. This isn't foot-in-the-ground cake theory, but it's entirely possible that the scenario Kid briefly
mentioned was far more complicated than what he presented in a short time.
Part of that technique may be the so-called Goda aspect of galaxy brain Oda.
The other is, him being intentionally ambiguous so he can flesh out a much more surprising and complex explanation/scenario later.
As for Marines invading Wano, since the festival is on-going, they're like toave time before shit gets REAL crazy after the victory.
One thing that surprised me was Kidd telling he was finally fighting a Younkou while facing BM in the last chapter.Yet it was 'implied' that Kaidou defeated and captured him.
Kidd said the arm was taken in a battle against the Red Hair Pirates, but hey who knows… maybe Gin showed up in the middle, hungry and looking for a snack. Bet Kidd's arm had a bunch of valuable nutrients, maybe too much cholesterol and saturated fats, but in hunger we might just eat insects, am I right
Kidd said the arm was taken in a battle against the Red Hair Pirates, but hey who knows… maybe Gin showed up in the middle, hungry and looking for a snack. Bet Kidd's arm had a bunch of valuable nutrients, maybe too much cholesterol and saturated fats, but in hunger we might just eat insects, am I right
This is head canon now.
As with the many, many, many details of this series, a single sentence fails to encompass the entire story. Oda weaponizes exposition against readers so that they feel like they know everything when all they really know is a single sentence about what might be a far more complex scenario. This isn't foot-in-the-ground cake theory, but it's entirely possible that the scenario Kid briefly
mentioned was far more complicated than what he presented in a short time.Thanks for clarifying. I'm still going to fall in the skeptic camp for this particular theory, but we'll just have to wait and see where it goes.
I don't know, anyone who made contact with Akainu's furious magma fist of righteous justice either just evaporated on the spot or suffered fatal injuries. So unless you have a doctor available with godlike powers or an Admiral-level ice logia, I don't see how anyone else could get away with just burn marks. Especially someone like Killer.
Like, either you block that red gloop or say goodbye to half of your face, legs or innards. There doesn't seem to be a middleground here.
I don't know, maybe we will get some more Ace-wank during the fire festival, with Killer and Kidd reminiscing about their encounter.
"Faffaffa, I fought Ace and that's why my body looks like this, but I still respect him a lot because who doesn't right? faffaffafa"
I don't know, anyone who made contact with Akainu's furious magma fist of righteous justice either just evaporated on the spot or suffered fatal injuries. So unless you have a doctor available with godlike powers or an Admiral-level ice logia, I don't see how anyone else could get away with just burn marks. Especially someone like Killer.
Pretty sure Curiel is fine.
16 characters of Fake anime news:ninja:
Pretty sure Curiel is fine.
I remain unconvinced unless you show me a direct hit!
Greg do you think the Marines are really going to invade Wano? What will happen to that huge party Luffy said they’d have after they defeated Kaido?
I figure Momo's dragon form will scare them off.
I don't know, anyone who made contact with Akainu's furious magma fist of righteous justice either just evaporated on the spot or suffered fatal injuries. So unless you have a doctor available with godlike powers or an Admiral-level ice logia, I don't see how anyone else could get away with just burn marks. Especially someone like Killer.
Like, either you block that red gloop or say goodbye to half of your face, legs or innards. There doesn't seem to be a middleground here.
I don't know, maybe we will get some more Ace-wank during the fire festival, with Killer and Kidd reminiscing about their encounter.
"Faffaffa, I fought Ace and that's why my body looks like this, but I still respect him a lot because who doesn't right? faffaffafa"
Tons of outcomes for facing or fleeing from Sakazuki.
Off the top of my head, he attacked Kidd and Killer with a glob of magma and Kidd pulled together a bunch of scrap metal as a shield and as it got super hot a fire started and burned them.
I mean as we can clearly see when spread out or coming in to contact with other things in the environment (depending on location) Sakazuki's magma can cause things to catch fire and ppl can get serious burns from those things as well.
Also no way Kid and Killer got burned by Ace. They had none of those burn marks before Ace's death and showed up with them post time skip and post Ace's death.
Akainu benefited from early introduction needeed pure hype moments. These days, those 5 supernovas punks can fight two yonkous at the same time( 2x WB)
Next time we see akainu, everyone will tank his lava fists with their haki shields Like he is nothing.
The bazooka is good. Curiel is good. Unless he felt the need to get a new bazooka before the funeral…
The bazooka is good. Curiel is good. Unless he felt the need to get a new bazooka before the funeral…
https://i.imgur.com/UauH4qe.jpg?1
He used to have two bazooka at war beginning. The true funeral is for the missing one, in his own heart.
@Zik:
Sakazuki going after some of the supernova after moving the marine headquarters to the New World side makes sense. Especially after pirates like Bonney and Kid.
Not really. Akainu going to the New World during the two years that, by several accounts, were about preparing and gathering strength rather than actual battles, makes zero sense with all the context we know.
Not really. Akainu going to the New World during the two years that, by several accounts, were about preparing and gathering strength rather than actual battles, makes zero sense with all the context we know.
It makes sense since we're talking about Sakazuki.
If there are notorious pirates in the area he'd chase them down. Especially members of the worst generation.
Besides that I missed where the marines stopped doing their jobs for two whole years to prepare and gather strength.
@Zik:
It makes sense since we're talking about Sakazuki.
If there are notorious pirates in the area he'd chase them down. Especially members of the worst generation.
Besides that I missed where the marines stopped doing their jobs for two whole years to prepare and gather strength.
It doesn´t, no matter who it is.
The Admirals being relevant in the manga and playing a significant role only happens when there are very extraordinary circumstances, akin to a shift in the balance of powers like the war 2 years ago and everything that happened in connection with that. Otherwise, it is underlined several times they rarely move out of HQ.
Aokiji roaming around was a thorn in the eyes of the Gorosei for example, and Fujitora only moved because it involved the balance of powers (Doflamingo), Aokiji recommended they do so because the implications were far-reaching in context with Doflamingo and his business partners being the Yonkou.
And Kizaru moving is apparent, the Tenryuubito were involved.
In addition, Sakazuki 2 years ago had the whole succession thing going on, and after becoming Fleet Admiral, he is not going after second rate pirates personally.
It can´t be Sakazuki because it is exactly not his job to confront Kid and Killer, not 2 years ago, and even less after becoming the leader of the whole operation.
So Sakazuki would have ignored all the rules and circumstances of his position, both pre-and post succession, which can only be explained with a massive hate boner for Kid particularly, which was not even remotely hinted at.
Regarding the Marines doing their job thing, also stated several times that while the HQ being moved to the New World could be seen as a declaration of war, the Marines hardly made moves in the New World, contrary to their new stance, and it was explained away by them preparing for a big moment, hence my statement.
It doesn´t, no matter who it is.
Yes it does.
All of the admirals have different personalities and are subject to different whims.
The Admirals being relevant in the manga and playing a significant role only happens when there are very extraordinary circumstances, akin to a shift in the balance of powers like the war 2 years ago and everything that happened in connection with that. Otherwise, it is underlined several times they rarely move out of HQ.
Aokiji roaming around was a thorn in the eyes of the Gorosei for example
And yet he still took a random bike ride to check up on Robin, almost killed her and Luffy. You're providing the examples that directly contradict what you've said.
That had nothing to do with the balance of power or an extraordinary circumstance like Marineford.
Not only that but admirals are at the beck and call of the celestial dragons. Kuzan showing up in Saboady was cuz celestial dragon was punched. Not killed or kidnapped. No balance of power in jeopardy
he is not going after second rate pirates personally.
Something the worst generation pirates are not.
It can´t be Sakazuki because it is exactly not his job to confront Kid and Killer, not 2 years ago, and even less after becoming the leader of the whole operation.
So Sakazuki would have ignored all the rules and circumstances of his position, both pre-and post succession, which can only be explained with a massive hate boner for Kid particularly, which was not even remotely hinted at.
Amd yet Sakazuki personally showed up when Bonney was left helpless after being defeated by Blackbeard then specifically remarked about the importance of her previously escaping the marines before and why that required his presence then.
Regarding the Marines doing their job thing, also stated several times that while the HQ being moved to the New World could be seen as a declaration of war, the Marines hardly made moves in the New World, contrary to their new stance, and it was explained away by them preparing for a big moment, hence my statement.
The Marines doing their job doesn't have to be seen as "making moves". Their new stance and HQ presence in the New World was a direct message to the pirate emperors after the death of Whitebeard and the start of this new age.
@Zik:
Yes it does.
All of the admirals have different personalities and are subject to different whims.
And yet he still took a random bike ride to check up on Robin, almost killed her and Luffy. You're providing the examples that directly contradict what you've said.
That had nothing to do with the balance of power or an extraordinary circumstance like Marineford.
Not only that but admirals are at the beck and call of the celestial dragons. Kuzan showing up in Saboady was cuz celestial dragon was punched. Not killed or kidnapped. No balance of power in jeopardy
Something the worst generation pirates are not.
Amd yet Sakazuki personally showed up when Bonney was left helpless after being defeated by Blackbeard then specifically remarked about the importance of her previously escaping the marines before and why that required his presence then.
The Marines doing their job doesn't have to be seen as "making moves". Their new stance and HQ presence in the New World was a direct message to the pirate emperors after the death of Whitebeard and the start of this new age.
It doesn´t, the personalities do not disprove every other context we have.
And it was underlined that this is a rare occurrence, hence why the entire HQ was on high alert, because one Admiral decided to leave on a whim.
It´s literally the exception that proves the rule, not that this happens for any pirate.
Putting aside the clear personal investment of Aokiji in Robin by the way, which we have nothing of the sort for Aka/Kid.
Tenryuubito i adressed. Unless you are talking about Kid somehow having something to do with the Tenryuubito, which is another claim not remotely substantiated, they are irrelevant to the point that Admirals at best move for the big events.
Or you are talking about Kid supposedly being an accomplice 2 years ago in Shabondy, which is also irrelevant, see Law becoming a Shichibukai.
They literally are second rate pirates, because they are not first rate, which is reserved for the Yonkou.
Which was in context with the war, as i said.
They do, if you want to substantiate your point, which you haven´t.
There has to be an example of Marines trying to disrupt the happenings in the New World actively, for a Fleet Admiral to actually do that personally and so on, nothing of the sort happened, which was directly addressed in the manga, they are preparing.
The goverment doe s seem to send them on missions if its important enough like taking Boney back or protecting a celestial Dragon. So its not impossible for Admirals to fight other people. We can have Kidd have attack an important asset to a celestial dragon or something.
My issue is more that Akainu is fleet admiral so I would expect him to delegate the job to Kizaruor another admiral. Him and Kizaru seem good at staying put at HQ and he was the one chastizing the other 2 for leaving their position early in marineford so I dont see him being so zealous he cant delegate to other admiral.
It doesn´t, the personalities do not disprove every other context we have.
I'm going by the actions of these characters not wŷe context you're going by.
And it was underlined that this is a rare occurrence
So? A rare occurrence doesn't mean it can only happen once. It means it rarely occurs.
Chalk up Sakazuki going after Kidd and Killer as another rare occurrence if you want to adhere to context so much.
not that this happens for any pirate.
We are not talking about any pirate though.
This seems to basically come down to you taking context as iron clad rules. I don't agree with that at all.
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The goverment doe s seem to send them on missions if its important enough like taking Boney back or protecting a celestial Dragon. So its not impossible for Admirals to fight other people. We can have Kidd have attack an important asset to a celestial dragon or something.
My issue is more that Akainu is fleet admiral so I would expect him to delegate the job to Kizaruor another admiral. Him and Kizaru seem good at staying put at HQ and he was the one chastizing the other 2 for leaving their position early in marineford so I dont see him being so zealous he cant delegate to other admiral.
I chalk Sakazuki being the one to do it as him being in the right place or closer than any other admiral.
There's also other scenarios like the other admirals actually being busy/on other missions.