@BobLoblaw:
The topic was on Yamato protecting Momo and I mentioned the other things that Yamato chose to protect. It was supposed to be selective since I was talking about other times that he chose to protect someone or something. I counted four, but there may be others that I missed.
Yeah I think you completely missed the point of my post that you replied to then.
Just because you don't think something is possible doesn't make it baseless.
I think its baseless cuz theres nothing in the story to base that speculation on.
Not cuz it's not possible.
If I thought you were saying something that wasn't possible I would call it impossible not baseless.
Like I said, "sailing with Luffy" can mean multiple things, but since two of my examples don't fit your expected result, you don't even factor in the other scenarios.
You've yet to explain how sailing with Luffy means staying and protecting Wano but maybe I missed it.
The last scenario does. He could stay behind as the guardian or something, give Luffy a vivre card like he did with Ace, and then sail to meet Luffy with the rest of the fleet when needed. Again, not saying it will happen, but that would still technically count as him "sailing with Luffy," just like it would him joining as a SH or sailing as an ally would.
That is not a scenario of Yamato sailing with Luffy though. Those are two different things.
That is literally Yamato staying behind to be a guardian and at a later point in time going to meet up with Luffy.
But Yamato has expressed several times he plans to beat Kaido (group effort), make sure Wano's borders are open based off Oden's journal, and then leave right after. Everything since introduction has been setting that up. Planting the seed that he should join Luffy upon first meeting him, mentioning Ace, saying he's Oden, letting Luffy and then Momo know he's on their side, and repeatedly telling his father he will not be the shogun of Wano for him but that he plans to leave with Luffy.
This whole guardian business would require an active imminent threat that specifically would require Yamato of all ppl staying behind.
See above. I wasn't specific, but the last scenario would handle the staying and the sailing. I think people are getting hung up on the "sailing" statements and assuming that it can only mean he'll join as a SH and my point is other stuff can happen and his statement would still be true.
And again that is not a scenario of Yamato sailing with Luffy.
Its not even an interpretation. Its a completely different version of what was said. If Yamato had said one day I would like to leave Wano and join Luffy then your scenario of Yamato staying to be a guardian, making another vivre card for Luffy, and meeting up with him when they need him would fit.
Also it seems you're specifically ignoring Yamato's desire and goal to explore the world. Oda made the parallel between Yamato and Oden for a reason. To then deliver on the character actually achieving that part of their dream. Not some bastardized version of it. It'd be like Usopp wanting to be a brave warrior of the sea but after Kuro is defeated and Kaya is saved he is still too scared to leave the island when what he wants isn't that or he stays behind to protect Kaya just in case Kuro returns and will meet up with Luffy later.
Yamato's statements couldn't be clearer but they're being treated like Bellamy saying I'll take that vivre card just in case or Gin saying lets meet up in the grand line some time. Its not the same thing. Its not even similar.
As far as the sailing part and joining the crew like I've said before I don't even necessarily have to be arguing from a stance that Yamato will join to respond to this. The version you're coming up with doesn't make the statement still true. Yamato states his intentions to leave with Luffy but his overall dream is to leave Wano and explore the world, go on adventures, do something like Oden actually got to do after wanting to do it so badly after decades stuck on Wano.
That is exactly what Oda is following up on. I don't know since when he's been the guy to stifle or dash a character's dreams based on potential threats or come up with last second obligations to prolong or setback a character's wishes only to do it anyway later. Especially with a character so vocal about it.
@Chams:
Super weird that Caribou was imprisioned by an Emperor that expressed interest in the ancient weapons and he still couldn't bargain with Kaidou by giving him information in exchange for release. It seems that Oda originally intended for Kaidou to recieve news of Shirahoshi, and sent Caribou to Kaidou's metal island. But then he cancelled that plotline and had to deal with Caribou being present in Wano. The plot will probably be used with Blackbeard (or, and I loved it, evil Shanks)
That's kind of a weird sequence kf events to go through to end up here.
If Oda wanted it to happen, it would've. If he cancelled it I doubt it would've happened after he had Caribou already be there and captured. Definitely could've got him close enough to Queen. With how much he's done and distance he's covered behind the scenes he could've continued to leave Caribou on the back burner.
If it ends up being a subplot involving BB (or evil Shanks) it probably was always intended for that (especially if it was for evil Shanks).