Also, what a way to punch America right in the gut, Oda. A chapter-ending line like that fits America's current problems (and a lot of similar race problems in the world, actually) too well. And on the 4th even.
Explain this pls because I really don’t get it.
Holy shit, things are starting to come together for the, Luffy inheriting aces will with fire and becoming a sun god, theory.
If luffy is joy boy and joy boy is Nika, then I don't think those flames are incidental. The secret wano letter and luffy blinking as a flame ninja are foreshadowing to me.
You know, with Ulti & Page One defeated, Who's Who most likely defeated, and Drake defecting, I really wish Oda had revealed the Tobi Roppo bounties in Chapter 998.
Oda will probably reveal them in an SBS down the road.
This was a tasty chapter. It's going to be a long couple of months with all of the pending breaks. I'm always all for Oda's health, but it is frustrating when the regular breaks coincide with the magazine holiday breaks the way they are about to. I hope all of these are leading to better health for all of the mangaka, since it seems like most of the major Jump series are featuring these breaks.
After having lost Kentaro Miura, I am all for Oda having as many breaks as he needs if it means keeping his health good. Maybe losing Miura has given more magazines the push to let their authors have more breaks in general.
I still believe that the destruction of the Raid Suit is a real possiblity, and that Sanji will defeat Queen in base mode (the strongest spear is guts!), but at this point I could see it being here to stay. Because, and that brings me back to the current chapter - Jinbe now had the "Martial Arts" battle of the arc. Under normal circumstances, ignoring power levels, Who's Who would be Sanji's opponent no question.
Being one of the Monster Trio Sanji also gets to fight what is usually one of the top fighters. Same way that Zoro usually gets to fight the second-strongest fighter in a group while Luffy gets the leader. If we apply that to the Beast Pirates, then that means it's Luffy vs. Kaido, Zoro vs. King, and Sanji vs. Queen.
Explain this pls because I really don’t get it.
Well, to try and summarize (and there's a lot more than just this):
[hide] America, and lots of places in the world, are currently in an environment of facing the dark parts of our country's history, especially where race or slavery is involved. We can't think of our history as nothing but the good parts, to truly learn and face our history we have to learn about and accept the times when we've done horrible things. But there are racists and generally ignorant people (similar to Who's-Who) who don't know about these things, and don't want to. Because the more your learn, the more you uncover, including things you could never believe we would do. These are the same people who like to run their mouths off about "America's great history", which in reality is a lot darker than they'd like to admit.
And here we have Who's-Who, a former government soldier, saying things to Jinbei like "And what is Fish-Man history but the history of slavery?". That's like someone now saying "Blacks have only been slaves!", which ignores the deep history Blacks and minorities have in this country that goes beyond just being slaves. Which is similar to how the Fish-men and the Fishman Kingdom have a long and proud history that goes way beyond their time as slaves to humans. Then Who's-Who asks about Nika, which is this really cool-sounding guy who was a icon of hope to slaves, in a really patronizing way to Jinbei. But as Jinbei warns him, "If you're going to run your mouth about history, be ready for what you're stepping into first!". It's kinda like if an ignorant white guy asked a black guy to teach him about MLK or the Tuskegee Airmen or Black Soul music. Sure, he'll teach you,, but you have to be ready to face a lot of awful things that black people have endured in our past and that are connected to these cool things. Because that's our history, whether you like it or not. [/hide]
Oda will probably reveal them in an SBS down the road.
Most likely we will get them in the next VIvre Card batch.
But when Chapter 998 was released, I felt it was a missing opportunity. Bounties always result in hype. We were already revealing the fruits, why not bounties and epithets to go with them?
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
Most likely we will get them in the next VIvre Card batch.
But when Chapter 998 was released, I felt it was a missing opportunity. Bounties always result in hype. We were already revealing the fruits, why not bounties and epithets to go with them?
I thought Oda was holding them back for the extra shock effect when the war is over. Imagine the typical villain beat-down mugshots lined up on one page, with ridiculously inflated bounties next to them.
Announcing the bounties early makes us wonder how they could possibly beat such opponents, while announcing them last minute really hammers home that wow, these guys had insane bounties and the crew beat them anyway!
Of course, in Nami's case it doesn't matter how high Ulti's bounty is because she didn't really beat her.
So does this mean there could be multiple sun gods that go by different names?
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It's been a decade and Yonka 2 still cracks me up.
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Is that 2 breaks in the summer a new thing for WSJ ? From my experience it was always 1 for GW, 1 for the summer and 2 in winter.
Anyway, re-reading this chapter, all I have to say is that I hope Jinbe gets a small flashback next week to show how he learned about Nika (and if we could finally get a look at the Fishman Dojo that would be great).
That's due to the Olympics, I think.
There was a break scheduled for it last year too but then covid happened.
@Joy:
Dont think the fight is over, didnt seem like an ending to me
Well who’s who has a mask on so maybe he has something underneath that will give him a power up, cause Jinbei’s attack seemed to hit squarely in the middle of his mask, so he maybe knocked it off and that will be the start of part 2of the battle
So does this mean there could be multiple sun gods that go by different names?
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That probably only means that the story of Sun God Nika is well known in Gyojin Island.
Most likely we will get them in the next VIvre Card batch.
But when Chapter 998 was released, I felt it was a missing opportunity. Bounties always result in hype. We were already revealing the fruits, why not bounties and epithets to go with them?
I don't think Oda has ever used bounties to hype villain teams, only specific individual villains.
-All the East Blue villains had their bounties reported at the very end of the saga, after Luffy had beaten them all. And the secondary ones were only revealed in vivre cards.
-Baroque Works bounties savefor Croc were revealed two decades later on Vivre Cards.
-Skypiea had no bounties. Water 7 was government agents. Thriller Bark, nada save for Moria.
-New Fishman Pirates had no bounties. Dressrosa bounties were Vivre Card deals, save for Doflamingo.
Frankly, it's only Luffy who seems to face people with bounty reveals.
Like I said in the spoilers thread, while everything does seem to point towards Nika being Joy Boy, I actually wonder if Oda's going to take the inherited will theme further and make the two distinctive, with the former being a myth way back in time that served as inspiration for the former (who in turned served as inspiration for Roger, who inspired Luffy, who will one day inspire some other kid), creating a never ending cycle.
currently in an environment of facing the dark parts of our country's history
We can't think of our history as nothing but the good parts
Oh, so that's what's happening. And here I thought we'd already discarded positivism as incapable of giving us a full view of history.
On an unrelated note, how come mods can't be added to the ignore list? Surely in case of reprimands private messages could be used to bypass said list.
As i understand it the platform itself does not support putting mods on ignore. So i can only recommend skimming past the offending posts the old fashioned way
I see. Bummer. One of the few shortcomings of a php forum.
Since everybody is recognizing and connecting the dots with the sun's significance along with already known importance of the moon, i'd question why not have one character sort of a symbol for each: Nika for the sun and Joyboy for the moon.
I get the feeling Joyboy isn't Nika the Sun God. I mean exactly how many aliases can one mythical legend have?
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@Zik:
Since everybody is recognizing and connecting the dots with the sun's significance along with already known importance of the moon, i'd question why not have one character sort of a symbol for each: Nika for the sun and Joyboy for the moon.
I get tue feeling Joyboy isn't Nina the Sun God. I mean exactly how many aliases can one mythical legend have?
Pure speculation ahead:
It may be that the factions of the Void Conflict are only two: moonies and earthers. Once the WG did what it did, coming together as the controlling entity we see it today, most of the moonies were exterminated, driven off, and/or enslaved.
At this point a new figure arises. A freer of slaves. Someone so charming and positive to be seen as beyond both the mentality of moonies and earthers. Hence he earns the epithet of Sun God. He's not Joy Boy (who being a D. is most likely a moonie), but someone either:
of hybrid descend, containing in his lineage only the best of winged and wing-less people;
or of an altogether different origin, perhaps an alien even to the aliens that used to live on the Moon.
I suppose Jinbe describing his casual racism being out of style these days could imply that he modern society in One Piece has moved past that to a partial extent in spite of what’s going on the Celestial Dragons and the nobles accusing Hatchan being a disgusting fishmen monster. I suooose it could be do to Jinbe’s own efforts when he was a warlord and Whitebeard protecting Fishmen Island which could send the message that the fishmen are worth defending even if a pirate is defending them. With Who’s-Who presumably only growing up fighting as a Cypher Pol trainee, it’s possible this might also be saying that he never really got to learn about the world as he should have and is a product of that by talking about fishmen moving less fast on land as if to insult them and asking things about Nika, which can show how lacking he is in knowledge not just as a villain either.
And in regards to the topic of class mobility for minorities, while people of a certain background inherent more money and the like because of supposedly being “born great,” leaving a disproportionate structure, would that then mean to say that there’s a structure waiting that just waiting to be torn down, going back to Luffy burning down the government flag, Dragon going against the government in the name of freedom, and Im being responsible for the class and wealth imbalance with him being the king of the world and responsible for any atrocities that he plays a role in? Because it’s understood that any institution can have the guilty no matter how clean it looks on the outside, right? That’s definitely a reason the sun would be there for.
It'll be interesting to see how often anti-fishman sentiment comes up for the rest of the series, now that we've got Jinbe full time. As much as I don't want to see him suffer more discrimination, another few interactions like this would be good for working out how far these things actually go. That said, I think the government/Marines has some awareness that things that are acceptable for the Celestial Dragons aren't viewed as favourably by the masses - following the scene during Sabaody where an officer reporting on the situation hastily corrects himself from "Human Auction House" to "Employment Assistance Office."
And yeah, it's hard to say how much detail Oda would go into for the nitty-gritty of a full structural reform (given that the Revolutionaries have stated they're not against government as a whole, just one as corrupt to the top as the current one) but he's definitely set it up as something that needs changing, even if he'll only show it in broad strokes. If nothing else, the fishmen are absolutely getting their emigration wish in the world after the final battle, to live somewhere they're better positioned to interact, trade and have cultural exchange with the rest of the world.
I'm just pleased by this chapter for the sole fact they gave a Straw Hat who isn't Luffy or Zoro an actual 'on-screen' battle, seeing Jimbei in action was great stuff.
@Zik:
Since everybody is recognizing and connecting the dots with the sun's significance along with already known importance of the moon, i'd question why not have one character sort of a symbol for each: Nika for the sun and Joyboy for the moon.
I get tue feeling Joyboy isn't Nina the Sun God. I mean exactly how many aliases can one mythical legend have?
Isn't it obvious that JOYBOY is the Nika.
I mean, its there in the name. Joy boy, someone that brings joy. Nika, "god" that brings joy.
How is this not obvious???
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Apparently, Joy Boy is a west african myth, It also touches on Smiles.
Very fascinating.
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
This was another really impressive chapter that did a lot to move the story forward. The end of the battle is getting closer.
It is funny because you seemed to have liked a lot the past chapters when I found them rather weak in term of writing.
At least, it helps Jinbe getting angry, allowing him to increase his haki and outclass Who's who in the fight but it still feels a bit artificial to me.
I don't think Oda has ever used bounties to hype villain teams, only specific individual villains.
Yeah, but this would be a great time for that. Every chapter that reveals bounties ends up being major hype, just look how the Supernova reveal would be bland without bounties. Also, the Yonko bounties were a major part of "Ultimate" chapter 957. I feel it was a missed opportunity to not have them in 998, since that chapter was already done to hype the Tobi Roppo.
It is funny because you seemed to have liked a lot the past chapters when I found them rather weak in term of writing.
- The disappointment of Nami fight has been overdiscussed.
- Last week chapter was ok but the writing was really off. With all the gifters preventing the heroes to fight, Tama speaks, all the gifters from the previous pages switch side. I know this is a serie for children but we have known Oda writing being more subtle
- And this week, we have some lore about an ancient god in the middle of a fight. Even Jinbei asks why Who's Who is talking about it :-)
At least, it helps Jinbe getting angry, allowing him to increase his haki and outclass Who's who in the fight but it still feels a bit artificial to me.
I agree that Nami's bit was an anticlimax, I spoke about it at length when it happened. But aside from that, everything since the one where Luffy got knocked off the roof - five of the past six chapters - has been great.
The kind of stuff that's bothering you feels so part and parcel for this kind of series it barely feels worth commenting on.
Tama taking control of the Gifters was set in stone basically the moment her powers were introduced three years ago. But it's not like she's getting away with it for free. Oda made it so she couldn't give the order without exposing herself to the whole battle, making her a high priority target to everyone left, so her part isn't over yet. I think Oda could have handled the Gifter slightly flip better by showing them interfering with the one on one fights sooner, but it's not that big a deal for a plot point everyone's been anticipating for three years.
And when has talking not been a free action in a shonen manga fight? Combining character interactions with battle is a hallmark of the genre. And Jinbe was definitely asking why Who's Who would think he knew about the story, not why he's talking in the middle of the fight. Turns out the answer to that question is racism. So that's all neatly justified and I can't see a problem with it.
But there's no accounting for taste. Hopefully the next chapter is more able to please everyone.
Yeah, but this would be a great time for that. Every chapter that reveals bounties ends up being major hype, just look how the Supernova reveal would be bland without bounties. Also, the Yonko bounties were a major part of "Ultimate" chapter 957. I feel it was a missed opportunity to not have them in 998, since that chapter was already done to hype the Tobi Roppo.
I never understood what "hype" bounties bring to the fights, let alone the story.
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@Zik:
I mean exactly how many aliases can one mythical legend have?
Apollo, Phoebus, Aegletes , Helius , Lyceus, Phanaeus, Sol, etc.
And this is just looking at the Greek interpretation, without taking into consideration the Roman side.
- Sun God Nika seems like a hook for the Mary Geoise arc I've been expecting to follow Wano. Hancock's capture, Slavery, the Revolutionaries and the Cipher Pols would be big in it, and maybe Nika is the reason Fisher Tiger named his crew the Sun Pirates? Man, I'm now hoping for a Hancock flashback featuring other slaves like Koala and Tiger.
The WG would need time to prepare against Dragon, just like they needed time to prepare for Newgate.
And two big arcs in a row isn't usual either.
Here's a most possible scenario. Luffy will come out of Wano as a great pirate already, graveyard island where Ace is resting seems to be somewhat nearby, if Luffy and Shanks reunion is to happen, it should right after Wano, Usopp is already a 200Million Pirate, and he's likely going to get another raise, that's about enough to impress his father as well.
And here's the most important thing, Shanks knows things and he also knows Teach is in the move, even with Sabo, Hancock and Vivi's situations, Shanks could persuade Luffy into keep going before Teach hacks his way into Laugh Tale, because the vague prophecies wouldn't work out if someone else ruins it all, that's even probably why he's constantly worried of Teach.
Shanks would take whatever task Luffy would wanted to, and go and die(as it expected anyways), right after Shanks death, and Sabo's squeduled execution, Hancock slavery resumed and whatever trouble Vivi is in, it'll be about enough time for Luffy to complete the journey, and with Robin revealing the whole mess of a world the CD's made during the Void Century, Luffy would finally have all the good reasoning to invade Mariejoa, and make perfect narrative sense, unlike what you're proposing right there..
I never understood what "hype" bounties bring to the fights, let alone the story.
The One Piece bounty system is a great narrative device to instantly convey threat, while at the same time not being just a objective power level, which allows for some surprises (like, for instance, someone with a lower bounty actually being more powerful).
We immediately knew Cracker was a big deal because of his 860 million bounty, for instance.
Bounties also spark discussions about who's fighting who, which may lead to subverting expectations.
For instance, what would make a better narration box introduction for a character we never seen before:
Or
?
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
The One Piece bounty system is a great narrative device to instantly convey threat, while at the same time not being just a objective power level, which allows for some surprises (like, for instance, someone with a lower bounty actually being more powerful).
We immediately knew Cracker was a big deal because of his 860 million bounty, for instance.
Bounties also spark discussions about who's fighting who, which may lead to subverting expectations.
For instance, what would make a better narration box introduction for a character we never seen before:
- What's-his-name
Or
- "Grand Title" What's-his-name, Captain of the Whatever-theme Pirates, Bounty: 480,000,000 bellies
?
I always understood bounties as the threat level someone poses to the World Government or the marines or both. Since we don't know all the reasons the WG gives bounties we can therefor not conclude anything from the amount of a bounty. not strengthwize, not plotwize, not whether someone's a friend or an enemy, …
In the narrative they mean nothing. Therefor their hype is misplaced.
Like I said in the spoilers thread, while everything does seem to point towards Nika being Joy Boy, I actually wonder if Oda's going to take the inherited will theme further and make the two distinctive, with the former being a myth way back in time that served as inspiration for the former (who in turned served as inspiration for Roger, who inspired Luffy, who will one day inspire some other kid), creating a never ending cycle.
To be honest I wish the cycle ends with Luffy. And if there has to be any spinnoffs or whatnot, it'd be in the past. Like in the void century. I just don't want One Piece to turn into Naruto
To be honest I wish the cycle ends with Luffy. And if there has to be any spinnoffs or whatnot, it'd be in the past. Like in the void century. I just don't want One Piece to turn into Naruto
I don't see Oda ever wielding after finishing One Piecr if it's not to draw funny skittles, like anthromorphosized sidetits.
To be honest I wish the cycle ends with Luffy. And if there has to be any spinnoffs or whatnot, it'd be in the past. Like in the void century. I just don't want One Piece to turn into Naruto
Oh, I don't think (=I don't hope) there will be any sequels/spinoffs. But One Piece is about being adventurous and learning about yourself by travelling the world. So One Piece has to end on a high adventurous note. And since by then Luffy would've already seen all there is to see, the only option is for him to play Shanks for a new kid and tell him to go chase his dream out there.
The WG would need time to prepare against Dragon, just like they needed time to prepare for Newgate.
First off, we don't know Sabo's status. He may have escaped. I don't expect a new Ace happening, and, if it happened, he would be moved to New Marineford, not Mary Geoise.
What I'm expecting is Hancock's capture and she being brought to Mary Geoise after her secret is ousted.
The government has no idea that Hancock is important to Luffy. Even if Koby somehow finds out, I see him more willing to keep the info to himself.
So, Luffy goes for Hancock, and Sabo/Vivi may still involved somehow, but not in an Ace-like manner in which a trap is set to capture whoever comes for them.
And two big arcs in a row isn't usual either.
I don't think Mary Geoise will be a big arc. I'm actually expecting a short one (akin to Punk Hazard), that leads to a bigger one (Vegapunk).
The Straw Hats get in and out. In the process they find info that is important, meet Bonney and the Revolutionaries, fight Cipher Poll Aegis, cause ruckus by releasing slaves, and escape before the full mighty of the WG assembles.
Then the info they get set them on to Vegapunk's lab to save Kuma or whatever.
Shanks would take whatever task Luffy would wanted to, and go and die(as it expected anyways), right after Shanks death, and Sabo's squeduled execution, Hancock slavery resumed and whatever trouble Vivi is in, it'll be about enough time for Luffy to complete the journey, and with Robin revealing the whole mess of a world the CD's made during the Void Century, Luffy would finally have all the good reasoning to invade Mariejoa, and make perfect narrative sense, unlike what you're proposing right there..
Luffy would never let down a friend under those circunstances just to fulfill his ambitions. That's just not who Luffy is. He doesn't need to learn the ancient history to have a reason to go to Mary Geoise, he already has his friends in need.
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I always understood bounties as the threat level someone poses to the World Government or the marines or both. Since we don't know all the reasons the WG gives bounties we can therefor not conclude anything from the amount of a bounty. not strengthwize, not plotwize, not whether someone's a friend or an enemy, …
In the narrative they mean nothing. Therefor their hype is misplaced.
The level of threat carries a level of power that the person has to resist the government's attacks.
While not every high bounty means high power, there's a correlation more often than not.
And hype is hype. It's very real. People got hyped with Jack's bounty. They got hyped with Katakuri's bounty. It's through bounties we know characters like Smoothie are strong despite never seeing her do anything. You may not like that it creates hype, but that doesn't change the fact that it does.
Isn't it obvious that JOYBOY is the Nika.
I mean, its there in the name. Joy boy, someone that brings joy. Nika, "god" that brings joy.
How is this not obvious???
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Apparently, Joy Boy is a west african myth, It also touches on Smiles.
Very fascinating.
Where are you getting that Nika is a god that brings joy? Is that cuz he frees slaves/prisoners? I missed when it was said he specifically did that.
To me he was just posed as a mythical sun god that was a savior to the enslaved.
Dunno if I'm on board the Joyboy is Nika train.
I'll watch the vid later though.
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Pure speculation ahead:
It may be that the factions of the Void Conflict are only two: moonies and earthers. Once the WG did what it did, coming together as the controlling entity we see it today, most of the moonies were exterminated, driven off, and/or enslaved.
At this point a new figure arises. A freer of slaves. Someone so charming and positive to be seen as beyond both the mentality of moonies and earthers. Hence he earns the epithet of Sun God. He's not Joy Boy (who being a D. is most likely a moonie), but someone either:
of hybrid descend, containing in his lineage only the best of winged and wing-less people;
or of an altogether different origin, perhaps an alien even to the aliens that used to live on the Moon.
Yeah so.ething along these lines is where I'm leaning.
A sort of two factions thing with a possible third party thrown in the mix which would make Im the modern day version of one side, Luffy another, and Blackbeard the last.
Nika could easily be Joy Boy, but also as easily not. We don't know. Maybe they're just from the same place? The same "pantheon" if you will?
I’d say Nika is a slave myth born out of ancient knowledge about Joyboy. Over time, Joyboy was forgotten and Nika remained.
The myth may have sprung from things slaves heard from their Celestial Dragon masters.
A lot actually, two isn't even close.
Apollo, Phoebus, Aegletes , Helius , Lyceus, Phanaeus, Sol, etc.
And this is just looking at the Greek interpretation, without taking into consideration the Roman side.
Well I guess we're splitting hairs between mythical legend and religious deity.
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I’d say Nika is a slave myth born out of ancient knowledge about Joyboy. Over time, Joyboy was forgotten and Nika remained.
The myth may have sprung from things slaves heard from their Celestial Dragon masters.
Its possible but as of now it sounds like Joyboy and Nika did two different things.
@Zik:
Its possible but as of now it sounds like Joyboy and Nika did two different things.
Nika sounds like a myth, a belief not based on actual facts. He’s a god that one day will cone to release the slaves.
Joyboy was a real person, or the title of a real person.
That’s how I interpret it. Maybe Nika was the name of (a) Joyboy, and later became a myth. Or maybe Nika is just a fabrication of slaves not based on a real person.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
We're about to reach 110 capters of this arc, it'll be great if we keep focused on the fights so by the time we reach 120 chapters, we're almost done with most villains.
I expect the Calamities to stand the longest, so until everyone else is down, they'll be fine.
I'm still feeling confident that Yamato/Kaido flashback will occur once all the smaller officers are defeated.
Seems to me that who’s who was talking about ivanko. Iva’s people were the ones disappearing guards and prisoners.
Who'sWho escaped by himself meaning he wasn't caged in Impeldown and that's fair since government agents don't belong there even if they messed up
Him and Jinbe once worked for the same group of people so yeah it is very possible that they met before but for some reason Who'sWho is wearing a mask despite being under Kaido's wings
The outdated info that he possess it happened to be too sweet to hear and we're lucky he got a big mouth
Who'sWho is not done yet.
Nika sounds like a myth, a belief not based on actual facts. He’s a god that one day will cone to release the slaves.
Joyboy was a real person, or the title of a real person.
That’s how I interpret it. Maybe Nika was the name of (a) Joyboy, and later became a myth. Or maybe Nika is just a fabrication of slaves not based on a real person.
Due to that guard being disappeared for talking about Nika to Who's Who I do think he's a myth on actual facts. Otherwise if he was solely fictions there'd be no consequence for speaking about it. Its important enough that it made WW realize he had to escape after.
Where is Page One's face on the cover? I feel like I'm blind…
To be honest, I don't get what makes Who'sWho a racist. Didn't he just have reserves about how quick Jinbe was on land ? IIRC, Fisher Tiger's death trap was all about bringing him in deep land…
And neither am I getting the stuff about "nowadays it's out of style to talk like that" when there are still slaves all around Sabaody and all. Maybe Otohime and Jinbe worked a lot with the WG, but there is still a "fishmen island" where all fishmen are living outside of the "real" world. Jack is hiding his fishman-ness. The only fishmans out of fishmen island are either slaves or strong enough to take care of themselves.
This or there is something that I didn't fully grasp about all that. And I hope I missed something.
@Zik:
Where are you getting that Nika is a god that brings joy? Is that cuz he frees slaves/prisoners? I missed when it was said he specifically did that.
To me he was just posed as a mythical sun god that was a savior to the enslaved.
Dunno if I'm on board the Joyboy is Nika train.
I'll watch the vid later though.
Hmm, I am very sure Whos Who mentioned that the slaves liked Nika because they expected him to bring smiles to their faces.
To be honest, I don't get what makes Who'sWho a racist. Didn't he just have reserves about how quick Jinbe was on land ? IIRC, Fisher Tiger's death trap was all about bringing him in deep land…
And neither am I getting the stuff about "nowadays it's out of style to talk like that" when there are still slaves all around Sabaody and all. Maybe Otohime and Jinbe worked a lot with the WG, but there is still a "fishmen island" where all fishmen are living outside of the "real" world. Jack is hiding his fishman-ness. The only fishmans out of fishmen island are either slaves or strong enough to take care of themselves.
This or there is something that I didn't fully grasp about all that. And I hope I missed something.
It is generally frowned upon to go up to people and say -Hey you are pretty good at X for a Y
To be honest, I don't get what makes Who'sWho a racist. Didn't he just have reserves about how quick Jinbe was on land ? IIRC, Fisher Tiger's death trap was all about bringing him in deep land…
And neither am I getting the stuff about "nowadays it's out of style to talk like that" when there are still slaves all around Sabaody and all. Maybe Otohime and Jinbe worked a lot with the WG, but there is still a "fishmen island" where all fishmen are living outside of the "real" world. Jack is hiding his fishman-ness. The only fishmans out of fishmen island are either slaves or strong enough to take care of themselves.
This or there is something that I didn't fully grasp about all that. And I hope I missed something.
I think Jinbe was angry at two beliefs: that fishmen are slow on land, and that the Sun Pirates were a crew of slaves.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
I think Jinbe was angry at two beliefs: that fishmen are slow on land, and that the Sun Pirates were a crew of slaves.
Plus calling fishmen a race of slaves
What's a bit fuzzy for me, is that, I feel like it's the first time I've read the word "racism" in OnePiece. Even in Sabaody or FI, I can't recall like, let's say, Luffy calling someone a racist. I always had the word "discrimination" instead (I the translation I read).
The belief that someone else is from a different race: racism. Cannot really be applied in the OnePiece-verse where there are actual persons of different races (other than human). I think that the translation just put the word racism there because I guess it's translated by Americans. But was it really there in the original text ? That's what I wonder
the Sun Pirates were a crew of slaves.
He didn't say that. He said "there were former slaves in that crew" which is true. Tiger gave them a tattoo to hide the past of some of them, and yeah some weren't former slaves but they got the sun pirates tattoo anyway.
@Buggy:
Plus calling fishmen a race of slaves
"What is fishman history but the history of slavery" sounds ambiguous. He doesn't outright state anything. If he means "fishman history is slavery" (which we don't even know if it's true or false because they could very well have been under the threat of slavery since Joyboy/voidcentury…)
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In the end Jinbe gets mad and obliterates Who's Who. But the whole process of getting mad is either still not very well explained, or it was poorly executed-- for me. It looks like the Martha scene in BvS, or the Sanji kicking Luffy to death in WholeCakeIsland for me.
"What is fishman history but the history of slavery" sounds ambiguous. He doesn't outright state anything. If he means "fishman history is slavery" (which we don't even know if it's true or false because they could very well have been under the threat of slavery since Joyboy/voidcentury…)
Jimbei and the royals of FI are fighting hard to have equality with the rest of humans…for someone like WW to come to Jimbei and say all your history has is just slavery is kinda demeaning and insulting even if Fishmen are sold as slaves. Making an assumption like that for the whole race etc. Jimbei's anger is just.
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@Buggy:
Jimbei and the royals of FI are fighting hard to have equality with the rest of humans…for someone like WW to come to Jimbei and say all your history has is just slavery is kinda demeaning and insulting even if Fishmen are sold as slaves. Making an assumption like that for the whole race etc. Jimbei's anger is just.
Exactly. All it is is a racist remark from WW undermining the fishmen's culture and history by implying that the slavery part of it is their defining trait.
