Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 8 - Onigashima)

[electricmastro]

@Zack:

Yeah. People tend to assign vice-captain to Zoro, but I don't think that's ever been mentioned in official materials that just label his position as more of just a fighter.

Yeah, people call Zoro vice captain more out of a joke/hype. Oda had the idea of making the sniper be vice captain, a remnant of which can be seen with Usopp joking about it, and Bartolomeo refers to Zoro as vice captain by his own admission, but Oda for whatever reason has never been keen on having Luffy really focus on having a vice captain. Really though, vice captains are usually had for larger crews that need being kept in check. I suppose it’s comparable to having commanders and officers in that Luffy has never seemed keen on organizing his crew like that, since the crew isn’t that big to begin with.

That being said, Oda did have Luffy and Usopp have this little exchange in Chapter 42, which I suppose goes back to the idea of the vice captain taking over a task when the captain isn’t able to, but this hasn’t really been followed up on since.

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@electricmastro:

Yeah, people call Zoro vice captain more out of a joke/hype. Oda had the idea of making the sniper be vice captain, a remnant of which can be seen with Usopp joking about it, and Bartolomeo refers to Zoro as vice captain by his own admission, but Oda for whatever reason has never been keen on having Luffy really focus on having a vice captain. Really though, vice captains are usually had for larger crews that need being kept in check. I suppose it’s comparable to having commanders and officers in that Luffy has never seemed keen on organizing his crew like that, since the crew isn’t that big to begin with.

That being said, Oda did have Luffy and Usopp have this little exchange in Chapter 42, which I suppose goes back to the idea of the vice captain taking over a task when the captain isn’t able to, but this hasn’t really been followed up on since.

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[electricmastro]

@Shift:

In the future, could you put very large pictures in spoiler tags? It saves on bandwidth, especially since you've been posting a lot of them recently.

Ah, didn’t realize. Sure, sure.

[All Fiction]

I've always thought that Luffy might promote Zoro to First Mate in Wano, but so far, I don't know if Zoro has undergone enough development in this arc that earned him the right to be called a First Mate by Luffy. Is his quick decision-making to take the initiative in blocking an attack by two Yonkou enough?

[Solid]

kibi kibi no mi… im going away to die on some hill now.

[Deicide]

@Solid:

kibi kibi no mi… im going away to die on some hill now.

The 2.9 thing is just bullshit anyway.
People take that wild fan theory too seriously because of Oda's non-answer to it.

If you think Tama is going to join, you shouldn't change your mind because of the DF name, really.

[Solid]

@Deicide:

The 2.9 thing is just bullshit anyway.
People take that wild fan theory too seriously because of Oda's non-answer to it.

If you think Tama is going to join, you shouldn't change your mind because of the DF name, really.

im secretly hoping its all just a big coy lol.

about the pattern… there has been several 325 easter eggs in colorspreads, but you could still be right about it being bs. mostly because I dont think Oda even had plans for the thousand sunny back when he gave the crew members their dfs.

Oda had no intention that strawhats would say goodbye to Going Merry, but he decided it since enemys' ships were getting stronger. Jump Festa 2014 (2013)

had this in my back pocket for just this situation …. but still, one of the interesting points about tama was that her df was unnamed for so long... :cwy:

[Coookie]

Aw, it's okay Solid. I'm fully expecting Yamato to go down the same route so you probably won't be alone for much longer

[StrawHatJedi]

Yeah, don't let the 2.9 theory throw you off or change your perspective on Tama. I don't think Oda would have answered in SBS if there was any real truth to the number theory (Oda never hints at crewmembers joining in SBS). It's something that's fun to talk / think about, I guess, but I also don't think it's something Oda planned. The SBS in question is so long ago, he may not even remember.

I don't put any stock in it and would never say it's a good argument against a character joining. It all begins and ends with their role in the story. Number theory probably wouldn't work for Yamato either, but I wouldn't consider that a mark against her joining. Not to mention, Smoker doesn't fit number theory

[Robby]

The main thing that actually supports the number theory is that prominent long-term ally Kinemon was given a fruit that fit.

No one at this point is arguing for him to join, but Oda went out of his way to give him a 2-9 fruit when it could have been literally anything. Because he knew it would stir that discussion.

Nikyu = paw (kuma)
Niku = meat
Niko = *elephant (zou zou already exists)

Jikyu = persistence
Jiku = axis/axle
Jiko = accident

Fukyu = uncouth
Fuku = clothes (kinemon)
Fuko = *wolf (inu inu: model wolf already exists)

My japanese isn't good enough to understand how the Yuki (snow) fruit fits but others insist it does, so…

That is of course assuming Oda doesn't do a crazy pun where he takes a muck longer word and shortens it to get to a result.

Also the numbers all adding up to Sun Ni Go is kind of crazy as an accident.

[Zik]

@Shiebs:

What’s he gonna do up there though? Luffy said he wants to fight Kaido mano a mano

That doesn't really matter.

So many outs to that statement or situations to ignore it like Luffy using conqueror's haki so much there's another drawback to it like he can't use it for another 10 minutes; insert Yamato saving Luffy, mythical zoan transformation, and flashback.

[kevinds]

Isn't Yuki just the inverse of the 2,9 pattern? Even if that's the case, it would break the Sun Ni Go theory because it adds 92 instead of the necessary 29. I don't think Yuki fits if the theory is legit.

@Zik:

That doesn't really matter.

So many outs to that statement or situations to ignore it like Luffy using conqueror's haki so much there's another drawback to it like he can't use it for another 10 minutes; insert Yamato saving Luffy, mythical zoan transformation, and flashback.

This is how I see it happening. There's still one unopened door to the rooftop for someone to burst through, and Yamato's eyes are still on helping Luffy despite being with Momo from a couple chapters ago. That flashback will also give Luffy a personal tie to Kaido specifically, like seeing Nami's map room in Arlong Park sent him into a rage mode with Arlong.

[StrawHatJedi]

I think Momo and Kinemon (as well as Tama and the others) are already Luffy's personal connection to beating Kaido and liberating Wano. Luffy has been friends with them a lot longer and their bond is a lot stronger than his ties to Yamato at this point. I don't think the comparison in this case would hold. Luffy's already fully committed to this.

That said, I do think Yamato will make her way to the roof, I just don't think Yamato is the one who's going to make things personal between Luffy and Kaido since there are already characters to whom Luffy is much more closely bonded at this point who already serve that narrative purpose.

[Zik]

@King:

That's just an alternate name for combatant.

That profession has been there since Gin, I think.

Time to officially promote Zoro to 1st mate/Vice-Captain.

Then throw Gin in there as a surprise 11th member Battle Commander.

[kevinds]

That's true, and Luffy did see Kaido attack Oden Castle (which he thought killed his crew) and imprisoned him in Udon, so he does have the personal grudge already. I was thinking Yamato's imprisonment would be like the cherry on top. I used the Nami example for nostalgia, but there are others. Like Doflamingo tearing off Law's arm or using Rebecca to attack Viola. Luffy was already invested, but those moments really pushed him to the edge in battle. I'd just find it odd if Luffy doesn't have that rage moment in the actual battle, but he didn't have one against Katakuri. You're right that Momo or Kinemon could also serve that purpose, but they don't seem intent on making it to the roof right now. I could see Momo getting up there eventually since he wants to face Kaido, though.

[Deicide]

@Vongola_Boss_XI:

Yeah, don't let the 2.9 theory throw you off or change your perspective on Tama. I don't think Oda would have answered in SBS if there was any real truth to the number theory (Oda never hints at crewmembers joining in SBS). It's something that's fun to talk / think about, I guess, but I also don't think it's something Oda planned. The SBS in question is so long ago, he may not even remember.

I don't put any stock in it and would never say it's a good argument against a character joining. It all begins and ends with their role in the story. Number theory probably wouldn't work for Yamato either, but I wouldn't consider that a mark against her joining. Not to mention, Smoker doesn't fit number theory

To me, Oda’s answer meant the theory was wrong (no 2.9 DF nor Kuma joining), but in some way hit close enough for Oda to be surprised. Like, for instance, a character with 2-9 related to it in some other way. Could be in the name, or in its theme somehow.

Or not. Oda was just teasing.

[Shiebs]

Are there any logia devil fruits that fit into the theory?

[fapfapfap]

The 2.9 theory is probably true imo. If there was any doubt about the theory someone later pointed out that if you add the numbers it spells out San-Ni-Go the name of the ship.

If you pick 10 random numbers sorted into 5 two-digit numbers and added them its extremely mathematically improbable that you'd get the sum of 325.

I've always kept open the possibility that maybe our interpretation could be off, maybe its 2.0 + 9? maybe there's a "zero" fruit? Does an artificial devil fruit count? Could one of the existing Strawhats consume a devil fruit or maybe one of their weapons? I think that's a valid discussion.

But the fact that their numbers add up to 325 is beyond coincidence as far as I see it.

[Robby]

Well Chopper's Hito Hito already has 10 in it, so…

56+110+87+43+29 isn't the only combination that reaches 325, but after you have a couple numbers locked in, like the gomu 56, it instantly gets much narrower.

You can switch around a number between two entries and get the same result because addition is like that.. Like
So 43+29=72... but 49+23 also equals 72.

You can even do it with 3 or 4 numbers, it doesn't matter as long as the tens column numbers dont change, you can shift around the ones column any way you want.

Oda didn't have to have it planned at the very start, if he decided along the way to go down that road, he had a ton of possibilities to play with. Even as late as naming the Sunny he didn't need to have it completely nailed, since he could have named the boat whatever the numbers added up to. If the numbers were going to be 475, then the boat could have been Yoshi-go, and then there'd be no end of Super Mario jokes. The SBS question wasn't until the Whitebeard war, after Sunny had already been around for a couple years, so it would have already been locked in with or without fan input.

After Sunny came about? There's no way he arrived there by raw coincidence. The odds are astronomically low.

If any of the names were made wonky to fit the pattern I'd say Robin's hana hana (flower) fits the bill. Because Brook being Yomi Yomi seems like a thing to have settled on at the time of Laboon and makes perfect sense to his power.

Yes Oda gave it a flower petal motif, but the actual limb sprouting and the usual visuals associated doesn't organically suggest that name at all. That's a very poetic name, given a unique visual to justify the name, when most other fruits in the series are pretty straight forward.

[Zik]

I prefer the Strawhat 13 theory.

[electricmastro]

I still believe Oda isn’t strictly obligating himself to just limiting himself to recruiting 10 people, seeing as how he’s allowed to change his mind at any time of course, and that he can still have a recruit feel just as meaningfully close to the rest of the crew even if that recruit is only seen with them in the last 100 chapters.

[FolhaS]

I think Robin's fruit name is just because it's a weird power to name.
It could be the clone clone fruit, but she wasn't really making clones of herself back then, she was just sprouting random limbs, like flowers sprouting here and there. Hence the poetic license.

But I'm really not into this number theory, so maybe that's why I see another "excuse" for the poetic name.
I know that in one hand, giving fans alot of clues to future important plot points is Oda's MO, on the other hand, I don't remember him using numbers as clue anywhere else, except for Sanji, or Law's PTS 440 millions bountie, and that bouty went to 500 millions and lost it's Death pun very quickly.*
Japanese is a language where it's very easy to make puns with numbers, that's why every single character in OP ends up having a birthday that's also a joke. Oda doesn't come up with these birthdays he just says Alright, sounds cool. I think him adressing that fan is just him going "Oh, that's a neat coincidence"

*yes, it's obvious that Luffy's final bounty will be 5.6 something something but there's no proof or hint this was always the case or just something Oda decided to do mid way through.

[black-leg jex]

@electricmastro:

I still believe Oda isn’t strictly obligating himself to just limiting himself to recruiting 10 people, seeing as how he’s allowed to change his mind at any time of course, and that he can still have a recruit feel just as meaningfully close to the rest of the crew even if that recruit is only seen with them in the last 100 chapters.

This. 10 is one of those solidly vague numbers where people can debate if he was just rounding it to 10 or not. If Luffy had said something more unusual like 11 or 9 then it might mean something more specific, but 10 is flexible.

[fapfapfap]

@Zik:

I prefer the Strawhat 13 theory.

I do believe the number 13 holds some kind of symbolic significance that hasn't been revealed yet. The crew is call Mugiwara no Ichimi in Japanese but it could be more numerical wordplay at work by Oda again. Ichi = 1, Mi = 3.

The Vivre Card also had 13 numbers reserved for the Straw hats. Also if you look at the ship from side to side the soldier dock doors are nearly always set to 1 and 3.

Personally I think the crew will end up 13 with the ship being #13 leaving 2 more people but that's just me.

[Shiebs]

As much as I love every Straw Hat Pirate member Oda has added I think one more is enough, there already not getting enough spotlight as it is, with all the guest characters and tag along members

I think we need a few Straw Hat centered arcs to bring them back into the lime light

Unfortunately I think Oda probably means to do the opposite

Law has a reason to continue along with them, Luffy offered Caribou a ride, Kidd and Killer might tag along because there Luffy and Zoro’s main rivals and still haven’t got a lot of screen time, Drake could be super useful in saving Sabo from the marines, and Marco is just super popular, and the grand fleet have to appear again for some huge event

So yeah who knows when we’ll get to see a crewmember only arc

[Deicide]

@Shiebs:

As much as I love every Straw Hat Pirate member Oda has added I think one more is enough, there already not getting enough spotlight as it is, with all the guest characters and tag along members

I think we need a few Straw Hat centered arcs to bring them back into the lime light

Unfortunately I think Oda probably means to do the opposite

Law has a reason to continue along with them, Luffy offered Caribou a ride, Kidd and Killer might tag along because there Luffy and Zoro’s main rivals and still haven’t got a lot of screen time, Drake could be super useful in saving Sabo from the marines, and Marco is just super popular, and the grand fleet have to appear again for some huge event

So yeah who knows when we’ll get to see a crewmember only arc

I think we will get more crew moments after Wano.

• My bet for next arc is that Luffy will go back to the Red Line for personal reasons.
• I don't think Law will be present for most of next saga. He will agree to meet Luffy again later in the story.
• Just after Wano, the crew will have a few chapters by themselves. At most, Caribou will be there.
• I feel Luffy learning advanced haki already put him far above the others and close to become Pirate King, so next upgrades will be for the crew.
• If next arc is Mary Geoise like I expect, then it's the perfect chance to feature Robin and Jinbe, like Zoro and Sanji are having their turns (I feel Sanji will still get a huge moment in Wano, as it will close most of WCI's plotlines once the BM Pirates return).
• Vegapunk arc has a lot of potential for Chopper and Franky to learn new science.
• Elbaf is for Usopp and, I guess, the 11th.
• I don't know about Brook, but Nami will certainly getting the spotlight on the way to Laugh Tale.

[Zik]

@fapfapfap:

I do believe the number 13 holds some kind of symbolic significance that hasn't been revealed yet. The crew is call Mugiwara no Ichimi in Japanese but it could be more numerical wordplay at work by Oda again. Ichi = 1, Mi = 3.

The Vivre Card also had 13 numbers reserved for the Straw hats. Also if you look at the ship from side to side the soldier dock doors are nearly always set to 1 and 3.

Personally I think the crew will end up 13 with the ship being #13 leaving 2 more people but that's just me.

If you count the Sunny wouldn't you have to count Merry?

I feel if the 13 theory is real it'll be 13 ppl in total and in that case you could include Vivi returning.

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@Shiebs:

As much as I love every Straw Hat Pirate member Oda has added I think one more is enough, there already not getting enough spotlight as it is, with all the guest characters and tag along members

I think we need a few Straw Hat centered arcs to bring them back into the lime light

Unfortunately I think Oda probably means to do the opposite

Law has a reason to continue along with them, Luffy offered Caribou a ride, Kidd and Killer might tag along because there Luffy and Zoro’s main rivals and still haven’t got a lot of screen time, Drake could be super useful in saving Sabo from the marines, and Marco is just super popular, and the grand fleet have to appear again for some huge event

So yeah who knows when we’ll get to see a crewmember only arc

While I dont think this manga is ending in 5 or even 7 years I do believe after Wano we'll be in the endgame stages of the story. I see a lot of fans wanting a few arcs refocusing on the Strawhats just as a break from all the guests or to get the spotlight back on them so they can bond more given the new nakama. I just don't see that happening if Oda was serious about even trying to finish the story soon. To add arcs like that would definitely prolong the story or to do arcs without a lot of new characters would also prolong the end. Far too much stuff to wrap up. If anything I'd say enjoy the crew mate interactions while you get them going to the new island, the beginning of the arc, the whole set up part, and after the conflict is over.

[astagadragon]

I hope the final counts are 10 + Luffy (another one joins) or 9 + Luffy (Jinbe the last one). Any more than that and some members will inevitably become glorified big-named background characters. Too many main characters are confusing.

Like, any one remembers that Robin will finally have her own big match after friggin' Skypiea? And even then, she must share the spotlight with Brook?

Or Chopper that only become a Pikachu-like mascot nowadays (before his actions against Queen)?

So, another one join or bust. No two or three characters join at once. Either Yamato, Carrot or Tama or anyone leading the race, not the three of them at once. Make up your mind, people :ninja:

[Robby]

@astagadragon:

Or Chopper that only become a Pikachu-like mascot nowadays (before his actions against Queen)?

It's funny because he's voiced by Pikachu.

[SeaOfHope]

@Zack:

Yeah. People tend to assign vice-captain to Zoro, but I don't think that's ever been mentioned in official materials that just label his position as more of just a fighter.

It's a title other characters have recognized him as, so even if that's not his role in the crew, that's how the world outside the crew view him as.

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@Deicide:

I think we will get more crew moments after Wano.

• My bet for next arc is that Luffy will go back to the Red Line for personal reasons.
• I don't think Law will be present for most of next saga. He will agree to meet Luffy again later in the story.
• Just after Wano, the crew will have a few chapters by themselves. At most, Caribou will be there.
• I feel Luffy learning advanced haki already put him far above the others and close to become Pirate King, so next upgrades will be for the crew.
• If next arc is Mary Geoise like I expect, then it's the perfect chance to feature Robin and Jinbe, like Zoro and Sanji are having their turns (I feel Sanji will still get a huge moment in Wano, as it will close most of WCI's plotlines once the BM Pirates return).
• Vegapunk arc has a lot of potential for Chopper and Franky to learn new science.
• Elbaf is for Usopp and, I guess, the 11th.
• I don't know about Brook, but Nami will certainly getting the spotlight on the way to Laugh Tale.

There's a lot of places the story can go after this arc. There's a lot of things going on in the world that Oda hasn't made completely clear what is transpiring. This very battle with the Beast Pirates is going to end up changing the power dynamic and structure of the world, especially considering the abolishment of the Warlord system already ended up doing that. I also don't believe Big Mom is going down this arc. Luffy has already stated he has reserved her for later after he beats Kaido, so she is going to be a persistent threat. Moreover, after this arc, we will only need 1 more Road Poneglyph and its anyone's guess where it actually is.

Honestly, any prediction where the story goes by this point is valid.

[Tarek]

@SeaOfHope:

I also don't believe Big Mom is going down this arc. Luffy has already stated he has reserved her for later after he beats Kaido, so she is going to be a persistent threat.

That was when neither Luffy nor us the readers knew that she would come to Wano.
This is what he declared since then:
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Whatever happens to Big Mom, I can't see her still be a threat to the strawhats after this arc.

[Cockycent]

Doubt Oda would have other characters view Zoro in that matter if he didn't intend to emphasize it more in the future. Being the first mate lends more to that possibility as well.

[astagadragon]

@Robby:

It's funny because he's voiced by Pikachu.

At least Pikachu battles in gyms and such lol, not going "pika-pika" and acting cute all the way

[Shiebs]

It’s just gonna eternally annoy me if there’s no logia member on the crew, I’m weird like that, I think it’s my OCD

At least put one on the Grandfleet

[SeaOfHope]

@Tarek:

That was when neither Luffy nor us the readers knew that she would come to Wano.
This is what he declared since then:
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Whatever happens to Big Mom, I can't see her still be a threat to the strawhats after this arc.

It's possible, considering Big Mom is becoming more proactive for finding the One Piece. After all, she is becoming impatient. She tells Kaido to capture Nico Robin alive because she can't wait for Pudding's 3 eye powers to awaken, she pondered where the Road Poneglyph was on Wano, she is using this alliance as leverage for herself with the threat that Kaido "owes her," has unresolved conflict with the giants of Elbaf, etc. There's a plethora of reasons to suspect that Big Mom will continue being antagonistic towards the Straw Hats and be in the story, through one way or another just from the narrative alone.

I think she'll just be taken out of the action somehow. Kidd is already trying to challenge her and we don't know how well he'll fare. Not to mention her crew is at the bottom of a waterfall and Marco kinda foreshadowed that they wouldn't get back till the conflict concludes (and Smoothie hasn't done anything…).

[Zik]

@Shiebs:

It’s just gonna eternally annoy me if there’s no logia member on the crew, I’m weird like that, I think it’s my OCD

At least put one on the Grandfleet

It slightly gnaws at me as well. Especially with all these paramecias Oda has loaded the crew with. I mean I technically didn't fully accept Chopper eating a human zoan DF. So while I welcome Yamato's potential mythical zoan a logia user also added would bring some closure. Thing is it'd have to be a new one it the snow DF somehow popping back up cuz I don't accept Smoker and cant see a current strawhat eating one.

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@SeaOfHope:

It's a title other characters have recognized him as, so even if that's not his role in the crew, that's how the world outside the crew view him as.

EDIT: Case in point

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I would accept this but I don't trust 'Zolo' translations.

I dunno if Oda is waiting for a special moment or event where there's some turning point and that becomes important to Luffy where he assigns that title.

Its funny though but I'm surprised Usopp hasn't already lied himself to that promotion given the amount of times he's called himself vice-captain or flat out Captain.

[thegab]

@Zik:

It slightly gnaws at me as well. Especially with all these paramecias Oda has loaded the crew with. I mean I technically didn't fully accept Chopper eating a human zoan DF. So while I welcome Yamato's potential mythical zoan a logia user also added would bring some closure. Thing is it'd have to be a new one it the snow DF somehow popping back up cuz I don't accept Smoker and cant see a current strawhat eating one.

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I would accept this but I don't trust 'Zolo' translations.

I dunno if Oda is waiting for a special moment or event where there's some turning point and that becomes important to Luffy where he assigns that title.

Its funny though but I'm surprised Usopp hasn't already lied himself to that promotion given the amount of times he's called himself vice-captain or flat out Captain.

Dig on the official translation?

[Zik]

@thegab:

Dig on the official translation?

Yes.

I always find it unsettling and disconcerting what the official translation tends to get wrong or refuse to be detailed/clear about.

Last time I saw Zoro routinely called Zolo was the 4kids animation.

[thegab]

@Zik:

Yes.

I always find it unsettling and disconcerting what the official translation tends to get wrong or refuse to be detailed/clear about.

Last time I saw Zoro routinely called Zolo was the 4kids animation.

I trust Stephen and he's given the reason he has to use Zolo plenty of times, especially on the one piece podcast. To each their own.

[Shiebs]

@Zik:

It slightly gnaws at me as well. Especially with all these paramecias Oda has loaded the crew with. I mean I technically didn't fully accept Chopper eating a human zoan DF. So while I welcome Yamato's potential mythical zoan a logia user also added would bring some closure. Thing is it'd have to be a new one it the snow DF somehow popping back up cuz I don't accept Smoker and cant see a current strawhat eating one.

I don't have a problem with Chopper's DF, but it will be cool if we get a Mythical Zoan Byakko on the crew

Honestly there's not much left for Logia's, Smoker is a Marine through and through

Caribou has a cool devil fruit but I don't think he's crewmate material, even if he's a changed person his introduction shows him killing a helpless Marine, I don't think that kind of person can become a main character

I've always wanted Sir Crcocdile to join, and we will def get more on his back story later (Iva dropped hints, plus his scar and hook) and Oda keeps teasing him every time he shows people reacting to the straw hats, so he'll def come back as an unreliable ally…. but I think Luffy hates him to much to let him join, but who knows maybe I'm wrong

Enel is on the moon..... and evil

I don't think Monet is dead but I don't really want to bring up that argument again so I'll just let it be

Idk what else is left, maybe a rock or plant Logia? Who knows

The pickings are slim

[Zik]

@Shiebs:

Idk what else is left, maybe a rock or plant Logia? Who knows

The pickings are slim

I've said it before, there's still earth (or just plain dirt) and air (especially if Dragon has more of a storm paramedic type ability). If we can get smoke and gas there's a few other phases and states of elements that can be thrown out there. I mean mud is just really wet dirt. So I think Oda has a few more to reveal to us.

And not necessarily for a nakama but I think Oda would do a water logia and just have it be the most handicapped logia.

So while there probably isn't a dozen there's maybe a handful of logia types left.

[Shiebs]

@Zik:

I've said it before, there's still earth (or just plain dirt) and air (especially if Dragon has more of a storm paramedic type ability). If we can get smoke and gas there's a few other phases and states of elements that can be thrown out there. I mean mud is just really wet dirt. So I think Oda has a few more to reveal to us.

And not necessarily for a nakama but I think Oda would do a water logia and just have it be the most handicapped logia.

So while there probably isn't a dozen there's maybe a handful of logia types left.

I’d be down for a Toph like Earth logia user

[Robby]

@Zik:

I would accept this but I don't trust 'Zolo' translations.

That's not a mistake, that was a mandate enforced on all One Piece media at the time. That included games and toys and clothes and whatever else actually came out under the brand at the time..

That the manga is still going and stuck with that mandate sucks when the anime was able to fresh start when Funi got it… but its hardly fair to hold the choices made by higher ups TWO DECADES AGO against the current translation team.

No one ever hassles them over how they spell Blackbeard's real name or Jimbei on Bon Kurei, those are fine, but Zolo is the one that always riles people up.

If they were allowed to change it 99 volumes in they would.

As is I'm amazed they were allowed to switch to Laugh Tale, but I guess "the story made it into a big deal reveal" allowed them to justify it.

[Zik]

@thegab:

I trust Stephen and he's given the reason he has to use Zolo plenty of times, especially on the one piece podcast. To each their own.

Okay?
@Robby:

That's not a mistake, that was a mandate enforced on all One Piece media at the time. That included games and toys and clothes and whatever else actually came out under the brand at the time..

That the manga is still going and stuck with that mandate sucks when the anime was able to fresh start when Funi got it… but its hardly fair to hold the choices made by higher ups TWO DECADES AGO against the current translation team.

No one ever hassles them over how they spell Blackbeard's real name or Jimbei on Bon Kurei, those are fine, but Zolo is the one that always riles people up.

If they were allowed to change it 99 volumes in they would.

As is I'm amazed they were allowed to switch to Laugh Tale, but I guess "the story made it into a big deal reveal" allowed them to justify it.

Sounds like a shitty situation all around.

Wasn't aware there was a mandate.

@Shiebs:

I’d be down for a Toph like Earth logia user

Yeah something badass along those lines would just be the start of what I had in mind.

[Robby]

Viz actually had Zoro the first year or so in Jump, and the earliest printings of the trades had it.

It wasn't even a "well we just want to synergize with the anime thing" because over in Dragonball they contradicted the anime constantly. They used proper spellings like Kullilin and Tienshinhan and Freeza, so they didn't switch the style guide just out of anime loyalty, that wasn't their practice.

It was absolutely a decision forced on them from higher up for "trademark reasons".

[electricmastro]

Other names I’ve understood were originally used by Viz:
Sogeking - “Sniper King”
Jinbe - “Jimbei”
Nefertari Vivi - “Nefeltari Vivi”
Going Merry - “Merry Go”
Aremo Ganmi - “Peekatha Krotch“
Banchi - “Bunchi”
Bell-mère - “Belle-Mère“
Big Pan - “Big Bun”
Catarina Devon - “Catalina Devon“
Donquixote Doflamingo - “Don Quixote Doflamingo“
Donquixote Rosinante - “Don Quixote Rocinante“
Enishida - “Genista“
Fukurou - “Fukurô“
Grabar - “Grabba“
Hasami - “Pincers”
Iceburg - “Iceberg“
Jango - “Django“
Kalifa - “Califa“
Kumashi - “Kumacy“
Laffitte - “Lafitte“
Matsuge - “Eyelashes“
Pappag - “Pappagu“
Van Augur - “Van Ogre”
Elbaf - “Elbaph“
Loguetown - “Roguetown”
Mary Geoise - “Marijoa“
Clima-Tact - “Climate Baton“

[The Spaceman]

Roguetown and Elbaph are really the only truly “offensive” ones.

[Jaime]

Looks like no Popularity Color Spread argument this time as the Top 50 will be in it.

[StrawHatJedi]

@electricmastro:

Other names I’ve understood were originally used by Viz:

The ones I would change:

Nefertari Vivi
Van Auger
Roronoa Zoro
Marshall D. Teach
Kalifa
Elbaf
Logue Town

The rest seem fine to me

[Shift]

@electricmastro:

Other names I’ve understood were originally used by Viz:

The list is filling up the page, and the triple-spacing isn't helping. Could you please either cut out the empty space or spoiler tag it?

Edit: Thanks!