Yeah the super mode probably won't last long enough to seal a win. Well once they've ejected the minks from the main event i suppose a couple of them could band together and save their fellow minkettes.
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You've been too busy wondering if she could, that you just don't stop to wonder if she should.
What you're pushing for right there is about the most unstatisfactory, poorly written nakamization of all time, and one that it kinda works for a dozen characters because Luffy considers them nakama already, things aren't like this in One Piece, the one who has the "meh, more-or-less" case never joins, it's the one with the "holy-shit-look-at-that" case who actually joins.
Franky>Paulie
Brook>Perona
Jinbro>ShirahoshiIt always notable who gets the greatest attention as the arc keeps going on.
She already got her stuff done in Whole Cake Island and in rapid fire. So to me, there's no real need to do more. Could it help? Sure. But ultimately, her entire character is in one point "simple". Its been done on purpose, for over many chapters. That is the entire point. You're focusing way too much on how super and great a new nakama should be. Its not a written rule, nor is it established. In other words, people are just SUPER overanalyzing, like a lot of people tend to do in the One Piece fandom in general.
Luffy himself, is also, at his very core, a super simple character, with a simple mind and simple powers. he's not a overblown, super ultimate badass captain with a super powerful OP DF. Despite this, I find Luffy super endearing and awesome even he lacks those traits. Same with Carrot, who is pretty much as simple as Usopp. Both came from small islands, both have, literally the most mundane, extremely simple dreams, and really, before recruitment, Usopp was also not anything super special as a character nor was his backstory anything to write home about, nor was his design anything special either. All these points is something that Carrot also shares, at least from what I have seen so far.
Comparing Carrot to someone like Jinbei makes no sense in this manner. Its literally comparing a ant to a elephant in this situation.
And yes, maybe its the most unstatisfactory, poorly written nakamization as you call it, but that is solely coming from the fans of the series. Perhaps Oda maybe just wants to do this. Who knows? I just tend to not overanalyse the story too much.
And seeing as Oda is still throwing around that he wants to finish up the story within 5 years time, there is likely no real time to go and focus too much on new nakamas super in depth at the level of Jinbei joining the crew. So things around new nakama have to be done in rapid fire, like how its being done apparently for Yamato. In terms with the 5 years, I'm like many here who also thinks that Wano is the last stop for any new nakama joining.
Whether its going to be Carrot or Yamato, I don't know. I will wait until the story itself tells me. Personally, I'd like for both to join, but that is likely not happening.
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Unless Oda completely half asses and rushes the ending, he's not going to be done in 4 years and 160 chapters, (He said five years in 2019) no matter how much he wants to be. We've still probably got 7 years and 300 chapters left or so.
Unless he gets carried away in the final war and then all bets are off, but all signs point towards him wrapping in under a decade, so I wouldn't make any bets on 10+ years at this point.
How long he has left to showcase and develop a character isn't an issue currently. They could be at Elbaf and it'd still be fine overall. 300 chapters was all of East Blue, Alabasta, and Skypeia.
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Are people voting Jinbe = last nakama just voting out of protest against years of nonsense suggestions :ninja:? I think Tama gets memed on for being Tama but at the end of the day I put Tama joining over Jinbe being the last when we had the 10 people seed early and during Dressrosa Blackbeard being revealed to have 10 Titanic Captains working under him. I mean these two things just seal the deal for me that at least 1 more is joining.
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The problem I find with Carrot being a lookout is her lack of knowledge of the world, the weather, the seas and the powers that sail them.
Every time Carrot spots something strange or unknown she would have to consult with the crew. e.g. what pirate flag she spots or the type of unusual occurrences happening in the seas. Eventually such a gap in experience and knowledge would become…problematic. At least with Pedro when he was performing the role of lookout, he had prior experience with the sea and was aware of the different things he was looking out for.
Sure Carrot may carry out the role of "lookout" but her performance so far has been lacking and subpar. As Robby mentioned, even with Carrot aboard the Thousand Sunny, an Octopus still managed to sneak onto the Thousand Sunny. And when the Straw Hat Pirates sailed to Onigashima, Usopp was aware of what needed to be done and climbed to an elevated position on the ship to get a better view of any defenses the Island may have. This very act expresses how Carrot's lack of experience reduces her worth as a lookout. If Pedro was there, he would be doing what Usopp did thanks to experience and knowledge.
Carrot is easily distracted...and not as adept in the lookout role as other characters we have seen so far in the series which is a contrast to the how Oda has represented the current Straw Hat Pirates:
- Luffy - future Pirate King with the ability to turn others into allies even enemies;
- Zoro - one of the strongest Pirates and Swordsman in the world;
- Nami - inhuman Navigator with a strange "sense";
- Usopp - G o d / Sniper;
- Sanji - expert chef whose cooking took Big Mom to wonderland and brought her to tears. In Sanji's intro arc, we seen his value as a chef;
- Chopper - a great doctor that combines both heart and advanced medical skills;
- Robin - one of the most accomplished historians in the world (the fact that the World Government wants her dead is testament to how great a historian she is);
- Franky - insane shipwright who created a dream ship, constructed a Gundam and recreated Vegapunk's technology;
- Brook - Soul King;
- Jinbe - Helmsman like no other whose handling of the ship brings out the full potential of both Nami's navigational skills and the Thousand Sunny's capabilities.
Note: the moment Oda made the definitive connection between Helmsman and Jinbe, he scripted a moment for Jinbe to be highlighted using a ship he never used before that does what no other ship can do, to escape a Yonko…
In 196 chapters since Carrot's introduction, Oda has shown nothing so far to suggest that Carrot possess above average "lookout" abilities that surpasses others. Pedro and Usopp made better lookouts from how Oda portrayed them in the lookout role. At least with Jinbe's case, Oda never definitively connected Jinbe to a role until the Whole Cake Island arc. And in the space between Jinbe's introduction and his role reveal (350 chapters), Oda instead focused heavily on Jinbe's relation to Luffy, his relevance narratively (connection to Ace and Whitebeard, helping Luffy overcome his trauma, and his dream of co-existence), his capabilities as a tactician, negotiator and
waterbendermartial artist, and the type of person he is (wholesome and honourable). Even in Jinbe's intro arc when he was placed alongside Luffy, Crocodile, Buggy and Ivankov, Jinbe managed to keep up with the rest in terms of interest and excitement. Even when Hancock returned to the story during the Battle of Marineford, Jinbe didn't lose momentum as a potential Straw Hat Nakama, rather he gained support (post Ace death during the Battle of Marineford when Jinbe faced off against Sakazuki, that moment was when I began wanting Jinbe to be a Straw Hat Pirate). Whenever Jinbe was part of the story, he was the part of the main focus. Jinbe's road to becoming the Straw Hat Pirate Helmsman was indeed a long and slow-burn one but it was a very clear path with an obvious destination.Carrot's journey is much more…unusual.
Carrot's much vaunted superior jumping didn't get her there any faster. She wasn't motivated or inspired to get up there. She didn't volunteer or prove herself the best at the task. She just.. let Usopp do it.
If Oda was trying to prove a character's worth at a specific task, to show they're the best and deserve a spot on the ship purely from how good they are at that job, she failed that test badly.
Not to mention when she failed to notice the giant octopus or the fish the size of the ship.
Oda seems to also have forgotten Carrot's jumping ability when he began the Wano Kuni arc.
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Even with Carrot's jumping abilities, Oda still had Carrot hold onto to Sanji who jumped to the shore. Oda could have easily had Carrot jump on Luffy's stomach and use the jump to head to shore herself but no, Oda chose to showcase Sanji being the more valuable jumper. -
I still believe that one of BB's ten is Aokiji who will bail on them leaving a perfect match up for the realhats. No need for any spacefiller from Wano to be jammed in to the mix
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I never put any emphasis on Carrot being a great lookout, and Im not about to start now. I do say, yes its a shame her jumping ability wasn't as emphasized, so that is a point against her in terms of physical skills. Doesn't take away she still is a good combatant, and no, Im not saying her skills are on Yonko Commander level, but its high enough she is capable of surviving and taking care of her own in battles within the New World.
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I still believe that one of BB's ten is Aokiji who will bail on them leaving a perfect match up for the realhats. No need for any spacefiller from Wano to be jammed in to the mix
So you mean the devil fruit pattern will never get completed? Rip 325
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I still believe that one of BB's ten is Aokiji who will bail on them leaving a perfect match up for the realhats. No need for any spacefiller from Wano to be jammed in to the mix
I'm actually pretty curious about the former Rocks Pirate members that existed but haven't been covered yet like Silver Axe and Ochoku/Wang Zhi.
If Teach has inherited Rocks's will, I wonder if either of those two would follow Teach if they were still alive. If Kuzan isn't the 11th commander, it would be cool if either Silver Axe or Ochoku/Wang Zhi are revealed to a Blackbeard Pirate.
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Given how Smoker asked Aokiji about having black market relations, Aokiji being affiliated with Blackbeard has to be something recent and not widespread yet(or else why question Aokiji being shady if it was a long established thing).
That means it wouldn't match up timeline wise to Dressrosa given how the 10 Titanic Captains were announced as a matter of fact there. -
I still believe that one of BB's ten is Aokiji who will bail on them leaving a perfect match up for the realhats. No need for any spacefiller from Wano to be jammed in to the mix
IMO, Aokiji is the tenth Titan indeed. But he's just filling the position. He's meant to be betrayed (or found out) by Blackbeard and killed, and his fruit will go to someone who will fight Robin.
I think Weevil/Bakkin are going to be recruited by Blackbeard (what other purpose could these guys have been headed for?), with Bakkin being the real character between the two (Weevil is just her "weapon").
Given how Smoker asked Aokiji about having black market relations, Aokiji being affiliated with Blackbeard has to be something recent and not widespread yet(or else why question Aokiji being shady if it was a long established thing).
That means it wouldn't match up timeline wise to Dressrosa given how the 10 Titanic Captains were announced as a matter of fact there.While I understand the timeline issues, I also feel that a tenth Titan that is a complete unknown (to the readers) would be a hollow reveal. So, even if not Aokiji, the tenth one should be a name we reckognize. Who else could it be?
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Would be cool if the last of the ten was Scopper Gaban as an anti-Rayleigh who thinks that Blackbeard has “the right answer”
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Scopper Gaban
an anti-Rayleigh who thinks that Blackbeard has “the right answer”Oh, I love that. It's not the sort of thing that Oda would do. But it's now part of my parallel canon of things that should've been.
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How disrespectful towards Robin to think she'd only reach different conclusions w/ someone else's help. I think anything that diminishes her role does more harm than good to the story.
How is it disrespectful for Robin to ask for aid from someone to offer fresh information and help piece it together? Just two chapters ago, she was asking Law to find a poneglyph for her lol
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While I understand the timeline issues, I also feel that a tenth Titan that is a complete unknown (to the readers) would be a hollow reveal. So, even if not Aokiji, the tenth one should be a name we reckognize. Who else could it be?
I feel like the last Titan will be the evil counterpart to the last Straw Hat, which is why they have not been seen or mentioned, so we couldn't get any hints from their general appearance.
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If no one else has joined by the time Jewelry Bonney arc comes up (Or whatever storyline she appears in) I can see her becoming a fan favorite to join even with her broken DF (which I guess isn’t so broken now that Black Beards crew confirmed she’s weak for the new world)
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While I understand the timeline issues, I also feel that a tenth Titan that is a complete unknown (to the readers) would be a hollow reveal. So, even if not Aokiji, the tenth one should be a name we reckognize. Who else could it be?
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That's an interesting perspective, I admit.
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I feel like the last Titan will be the evil counterpart to the last Straw Hat, which is why they have not been seen or mentioned, so we couldn't get any hints from their general appearance.
I think one of the current known Titans is the counterpart to the last SH. A foreshadowing that will be obvious in hindsight.
IMO, the last crewmate will face off Catarina Devon, a female physical melee fighter who hunts down and collects heads of beautiful women.
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On that note, I wish we knew a bit more about Pizarro and Shot's abilities, since minus the mystery Captain, they're the only two we don't really know what they do.
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Solid arguing for Tama joining Luffy when the endgame is Kurozumi Tama + Kurohige.
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Catarina Devon's perfect match up is with Kozuki Hiyori based on similarity to her characteristic
Devon's epithet is crescent moon hunter
Kozuki symbol is crescent moonShe hunts for women she find beautiful. She declares this a pursuit of beauty
Hiyori, as komurasaki, is called the most beautiful woman on wano
Both of them use lipstick. Not much beautiful character use itDevon's devil fruit is nine tale fox/kitsune
Hiyori/komurasaki has a fox/kitsune maskSame like nami and robin, hiyori worked FOR a villain too (orochi)
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but then wouldn’t his attacks on Big Mom be considered war? I know Cracker won the battle against him but still…
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I still believe that one of BB's ten is Aokiji who will bail on them leaving a perfect match up for the realhats. No need for any spacefiller from Wano to be jammed in to the mix
Aokiji working with them is still a secret for the world, hence why the G5 guys were even surprised he has connections to the underworld, plus him working with them is still up in the air, so Burgess and BB were at the discussing stage.
Yet Gatz, the commentator in the colosseum, still referred to 10 titanic captains, so it´s not Aokiji, or at least it would be inconsistent if he is.Btw, there is nothing that says each Strawhat has to have a 1vs1, it could also be 2vs1, i mean Fishman Island did it already, even if it was not out of necessity.
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Catarina Devon's perfect match up is with Kozuki Hiyori based on similarity to her characteristic
Devon's epithet is crescent moon hunter
Kozuki symbol is crescent moonShe hunts for women she find beautiful. She declares this a pursuit of beauty
Hiyori, as komurasaki, is called the most beautiful woman on wano
Both of them use lipstick. Not much beautiful character use itDevon's devil fruit is nine tale fox/kitsune
Hiyori/komurasaki has a fox/kitsune maskSame like nami and robin, hiyori worked FOR a villain too (orochi)
Too drunk to read context, but Devon is so blatantly set up to fight Nami I don't get how anyone would set her up with anyone else. Hiyori's such a nothing character, she was there to give Zoro his cool new sword and that's about it. Yeah she'll meet up with Momo but who really cares like honestly. ilmao lipstick really, if oda had balls he'd have Hiyori turn bad as a counter to Yamato being the good child of Kaido
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If someone from sky island(urouge) will join BB I wonder if luffy will also get sky island nakama. Birkan( urouge) vs Shandia.
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Too drunk to read context, but Devon is so blatantly set up to fight Nami I don't get how anyone would set her up with anyone else. Hiyori's such a nothing character, she was there to give Zoro his cool new sword and that's about it. Yeah she'll meet up with Momo but who really cares like honestly. ilmao lipstick really, if oda had balls he'd have Hiyori turn bad as a counter to Yamato being the good child of Kaido
Fair enough. Just trying to have some new insight here. But if plot demand hiyori could get some potensial on fighting. It's not like only oden who had swords, kozuki toki also has a sword that did not look like a common sword. Hiyori could have her mother's sword and asked denjiro to train her. She was meant to has enma though. That enma that could take someone ryouo
Plus, if she has nothing to do in the future, then why did oda tease her that she could do drop kick on momo
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Yamato is the son of a Yonkou, so the last Titan Captain will be… Weevil, or shank's baby :ninja:
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Yamamoto and Carrot look like good picks at this point.
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Too drunk to read context, but Devon is so blatantly set up to fight Nami I don't get how anyone would set her up with anyone else. Hiyori's such a nothing character, she was there to give Zoro his cool new sword and that's about it. Yeah she'll meet up with Momo but who really cares like honestly. ilmao lipstick really, if oda had balls he'd have Hiyori turn bad as a counter to Yamato being the good child of Kaido
I'm curious, what makes Devon the "blatant" match up for Nami, besides her being a woman?
I believe the Blackbeard Pirates are being setup to be perfect matches for the SHs. They'll challenge the heroes not only by exploring their weaknesses, but putting their strengths. For example, Augur vs. Usopp will require not only Usopp to overcome his fears, but also prove himself the better sniper.
I feel Devon is not Nami's matches because Nami's strengths are related to elemental manipulation. She's a ranged fighter that is physically weak and requires tricks to keep the opponent away. Meanwhile, Devon is a melee fighter that has a zoan (also physical) DF. At most, I could see the trickery between them as a good match (Nami uses trickes to keep away and distract while setting up her attacks; Devon uses shapeshifting to fool her targets). But I don't see that alone as enough to be a "perfect challenge" to Nami.
I think Devon foreshadows the last nakama, be it Yamato (also a zoan melee fighter), Carrot (a half-animal melee fighter) or Hancock (again, a melee fighter whose traumas and feelings can be explored by Devon's shapeshifting. Plus the most beautiful woman in the world, so Devon's ultimate prey. Also Devon's reintroduction in Chapter 925 has a certain Hancock vibe with her followers fawning over her);
If that's correct, the last Titan may be a woman and Nami's true counterpart. Or Oda may even not set up a chick fight this time, we never know. If Nami's opponent also fights with knowledge and elements, the issue of a man hitting a woman could be avoided.
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I'm curious, what makes Devon the "blatant" match up for Nami, besides her being a woman?
I believe the Blackbeard Pirates are being setup to be perfect matches for the SHs. They'll challenge the heroes not only by exploring their weaknesses, but putting their strengths. For example, Augur vs. Usopp will require not only Usopp to overcome his fears, but also prove himself the better sniper.
I feel Devon is not Nami's matches because Nami's strengths are related to elemental manipulation. She's a ranged fighter that is physically weak and requires tricks to keep the opponent away. Meanwhile, Devon is a melee fighter that has a zoan (also physical) DF. At most, I could see the trickery between them as a good match (Nami uses trickes to keep away and distract while setting up her attacks; Devon uses shapeshifting to fool her targets). But I don't see that alone as enough to be a "perfect challenge" to Nami.
I think Devon foreshadows the last nakama, be it Yamato (also a zoan melee fighter), Carrot (a half-animal melee fighter) or Hancock (again, a melee fighter whose traumas and feelings can be explored by Devon's shapeshifting. Plus the most beautiful woman in the world, so Devon's ultimate prey. Also Devon's reintroduction in Chapter 925 has a certain Hancock vibe with her followers fawning over her);
If that's correct, the last Titan may be a woman and Nami's true counterpart. Or Oda may even not set up a chick fight this time, we never know. If Nami's opponent also fights with knowledge and elements, the issue of a man hitting a woman could be avoided.
Their respective mischievous character (Devon is Kyuubi, Nami cat, both mischievous animals in mythology), they like to trick people for fun.
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Only problem is Devon might be too strong for Nami. Otherwise looks like a fine match up to me.
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Which Blackbeard pirate isn´t at this point? Blackbeard has been pumping them devil fruits, who knows what the abilities of Burgess, Doc Q and so forth will be.
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Burgess is the perfect enemy for zoro, both only care about fighting.
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Their respective mischievous character (Devon is Kyuubi, Nami cat, both mischievous animals in mythology), they like to trick people for fun.
Also Nami is regarded as "the beauty" of the Strawhats (Thriller Bark, Wa No) and Devon likes to collect beautiful women´s heads apparently.The thing, while you can find some common thematic between them, I don't feel what we know of their respective skills match.
I think by the end of the Blackbeard fight, every SH will have proven (s)he's the best at what (s)he's best, so for Nami to have a physical opponent rather than an elemental one feels underwhelming. Nami's opponent should not only use trickery to fool the opponent, but challenge her navigation and/or weather knowledge and be a match for her in elemental control. It should be someone capable of nullifying the clima tact.If we throw yet another physical opponent against Nami, I think it will just be a rehatch of every Nami fight so far, in which she survives long enough only because the opponent toys with her until she can lay a trap rather than go for the killing blow.
So, IMO, Devon's counterpart will be another SH. Someone who is both a strong physical fighter and weak to her trickery. Most likely, the 11th SH.
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Which Blackbeard pirate isn´t at this point? Blackbeard has been pumping them devil fruits, who knows what the abilities of Burgess, Doc Q and so forth will be.
I know but im talking about how things might be at the end where they finally face off.
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The thing, while you can find some common thematic between them, I don't feel what we know of their respective skills match.
I think by the end of the Blackbeard fight, every SH will have proven (s)he's the best at what (s)he's best, so for Nami to have a physical opponent rather than an elemental one feels underwhelming. Nami's opponent should not only use trickery to fool the opponent, but challenge her navigation and/or weather knowledge and be a match for her in elemental control. It should be someone capable of nullifying the clima tact.If we throw yet another physical opponent against Nami, I think it will just be a rehatch of every Nami fight so far, in which she survives long enough only because the opponent toys with her until she can lay a trap rather than go for the killing blow.
So, IMO, Devon's counterpart will be another SH. Someone who is both a strong physical fighter and weak to her trickery. Most likely, the 11th SH.
As long as we get some kind of commonality, that´s fine. Not everyone has to match in the same aspects. Some will match based on roles (sniper), others will match on fighting style (Lafitte vs Brook), others might on personality. Or a mix of them.
Luffy is not matching Blackbeard well either. One is highly reliant on his devil fruits, which are the strongest in the world, the other is reliant, for the most part, on his Haki and how it interacts with his body. -
As long as we get some kind of commonality, that´s fine. Not everyone has to match in the same aspects. Some will match based on roles (sniper), others will match on fighting style (Lafitte vs Brook), others might on personality. Or a mix of them.
Luffy is not matching Blackbeard well either. One is highly reliant on his devil fruits, which are the strongest in the world, the other is reliant, for the most part, on his Haki and how it interacts with his body.I think the point of the BB vs SH match is that each BB will both explore the weaknesses and challenge the strengths of each SH.
BB is a counterpart to Luffy not only because they are the leaders and want to be PK, but BBs powers are also interestingly perfect to counter Luffy's. Most of Luffy's upgrades (the gears) come from his DF, which BB can nullify, while BBs earthquakes give him power that can conceivebly surpass Luffy's haki. On the other hand, Luffy's rubber body can take the earthquakes unless BB can touch him. BB will be an incredible challenge for Luffy to overcome, and I expect the same for every BB pirate against its SH counterpart.
Maybe Devon could have abilities that better match Nami's strengths, but so far everything points to her being a melee fighter (spear, sword, zoan augmentation) that uses tricks to fool her prey (shapeshifting). I feel her opponent will be similarly melee-oriented.
Since I also think Laffite and Brook are a match up, I like to point out how Laffite was introduced way before Brook, or how the Blackbeards debutted with less members than the SHs, but their additions from Impel Down foreshadowed a 10th Straw Hat, and then in Dressrosa the reveal of "Ten Titanic Captains" also foreshadowed an 11th Straw Hat. It's not unconceivable that one of the known Blackbeard Pirates is actually the match to the still unknown crewmate we are getting.
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I think the point of the BB vs SH match is that each BB will both explore the weaknesses and challenge the strengths of each SH.
BB is a counterpart to Luffy not only because they are the leaders and want to be PK, but BBs powers are also interestingly perfect to counter Luffy's. Most of Luffy's upgrades (the gears) come from his DF, which BB can nullify, while BBs earthquakes give him power that can conceivebly surpass Luffy's haki. On the other hand, Luffy's rubber body can take the earthquakes unless BB can touch him. BB will be an incredible challenge for Luffy to overcome, and I expect the same for every BB pirate against its SH counterpart.
Maybe Devon could have abilities that better match Nami's strengths, but so far everything points to her being a melee fighter (spear, sword, zoan augmentation) that uses tricks to fool her prey (shapeshifting). I feel her opponent will be similarly melee-oriented.
Since I also think Laffite and Brook are a match up, I like to point out how Laffite was introduced way before Brook, or how the Blackbeards debutted with less members than the SHs, but their additions from Impel Down foreshadowed a 10th Straw Hat, and then in Dressrosa the reveal of "Ten Titanic Captains" also foreshadowed an 11th Straw Hat. It's not unconceivable that one of the known Blackbeard Pirates is actually the match to the still unknown crewmate we are getting.
It´s up in the air what criteria Oda will use for each match-up.
Don´t forget that the only two fights Nami received in the manga as 1vs1 were against melee fighters who were much stronger physically than her.
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It´s up in the air what criteria Oda will use for each match-up.
Don´t forget that the only two fights Nami received in the manga as 1vs1 were against melee fighters who were much stronger physically than her.
So i don´t quite get why you are so adamant that Devon does not fit, the track record contradicts that.I also don't get why people think patterns are meant to be repeated until the end of the series.
Usopp also never faced a real sniper, the closest to that was Chuu, who Usopp defeated with lies, ditry tricks and a hammer. Most of his opponents were just tricky ones.But for the BB fights, I expect each SH to prove its superiority in their skills, rather than just face a challenge.
Both Kalifa and Ms. Doublefinger could have defeated Nami by just not toying with her. Nami got time enough to set up her traps because they decided playing with her was more important than defeating her ASAP. IMO, it will be very underhwhelming if we get that for a third time, or worse, Catarina Devon is downplayed enough to not being able to physically overpower Nami.
Ulti showed the way by taking her opponents seriously. I hope the Blackbeard pirates do not mess around when their turn comes. If Catarina Devon fights with sword, spear and probably claws, I hope she has a chance to actually hurt her opponent with them.
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I see Devon as capable of using trickery as much as Nami, so it will be a battle of wits with them trying to fool each other. If, as you say, Nami fights trying to stall her opponents until they fall for her traps, then Devon trying to do the exact same thing to her would be a good match. Devon will transform into objects or things and Nami will fall for her trap, while attempting to trap Devon herself
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Can't wait for Ussop vs Van Augur. I bet it's gonna be a very interesting fight. No fists. Just two guys shooting each other from very far distances. Maybe it will look something like the movie Stalingrad.
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I also don't get why people think patterns are meant to be repeated until the end of the series.
Usopp also never faced a real sniper, the closest to that was Chuu, who Usopp defeated with lies, ditry tricks and a hammer. Most of his opponents were just tricky ones.But for the BB fights, I expect each SH to prove its superiority in their skills, rather than just face a challenge.
Both Kalifa and Ms. Doublefinger could have defeated Nami by just not toying with her. Nami got time enough to set up her traps because they decided playing with her was more important than defeating her ASAP. IMO, it will be very underhwhelming if we get that for a third time, or worse, Catarina Devon is downplayed enough to not being able to physically overpower Nami.
Ulti showed the way by taking her opponents seriously. I hope the Blackbeard pirates do not mess around when their turn comes. If Catarina Devon fights with sword, spear and probably claws, I hope she has a chance to actually hurt her opponent with them.
You are mixing something up here. Nobody claimed the patterns need to repeat themselves but the argument "Devon is a melee fighter, hence not eligible for Nami" is not legitimate based on prior examples that happened before, hence you have no point.
The argument for Devon is based on personality and her aiming for beauty, Nami having the same personality and being a beauty. The fact that she is a melee fighter and Nami only fought melee fighters just happens to be so, not the main point.
Seems like you are holding onto something very specific and not allowing any other concept, seems pointless to discuss.
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@Johnny:
I feel like this is a pretty good prediction:
Luffy VS Teach
Zoro VS Shiryu
Nami VS Devon
Usopp VS Augur
Sanji VS Pizarro
Chopper VS Doc Q
Robin VS 10th Titanic Captain
Franky VS Burgess
Brook VS Lafitte
Jinbei VS Wolf
Yamato VS ShotThere are only two ways you can make the battles of sanji and zoro work.
Either you make champion at fighting zoro vs champion at fighting burgess, invisible pervert nazi shilliew vs invisible pervert nazi stealth black.
OR
Have zoro fight evil sanji while sanji fights evil zoro, as in sanji vs burgess, zoro vs shilliew.
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There are so many different possibilities for match ups between the Straw Hats and the Black Beard that I never know why some people feel 100% confident they know which match ups will happen
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There are so many different possibilities for match ups between the Straw Hats and the Black Beard that I never know why some people feel 100% confident they know which match ups will happen
We don't know what Pizarro or Basco Shot can do, now who is the final Titan or even if there will be more of them ahead. It's impossible to make a good match up prediction without answering these questions, as even the slightest change could make one character a better match-up than before.
IMO, we can be more or less certain of:
Luffy vs Teach
Usopp vs Augur
Chopper vs Doc Q & Stronger
Brook vs LaffiteAnything beyond that becomes a little weirder. Even Zoro vs Shiryu could be misleading at this point.
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I'm curious, what makes Devon the "blatant" match up for Nami, besides her being a woman?
I believe the Blackbeard Pirates are being setup to be perfect matches for the SHs. They'll challenge the heroes not only by exploring their weaknesses, but putting their strengths. For example, Augur vs. Usopp will require not only Usopp to overcome his fears, but also prove himself the better sniper.
I feel Devon is not Nami's matches because Nami's strengths are related to elemental manipulation. She's a ranged fighter that is physically weak and requires tricks to keep the opponent away. Meanwhile, Devon is a melee fighter that has a zoan (also physical) DF. At most, I could see the trickery between them as a good match (Nami uses trickes to keep away and distract while setting up her attacks; Devon uses shapeshifting to fool her targets). But I don't see that alone as enough to be a "perfect challenge" to Nami.
I think Devon foreshadows the last nakama, be it Yamato (also a zoan melee fighter), Carrot (a half-animal melee fighter) or Hancock (again, a melee fighter whose traumas and feelings can be explored by Devon's shapeshifting. Plus the most beautiful woman in the world, so Devon's ultimate prey. Also Devon's reintroduction in Chapter 925 has a certain Hancock vibe with her followers fawning over her);
If that's correct, the last Titan may be a woman and Nami's true counterpart. Or Oda may even not set up a chick fight this time, we never know. If Nami's opponent also fights with knowledge and elements, the issue of a man hitting a woman could be avoided.
You're overthinking these match-ups. Usopp vs Auger is just a sniper battle. Usopp doesn't even have a fear thing going on with his character at this point. Hell he's barely a character, he's just kinda there and does things on the side to support.
I don't know why you're bringing up Devon being a melee fighter as a con, Nami fought a spike woman, a super assassin, and two blob otoris at close range. Meanwhile they both have illusion based powers. Plus Devon hunts beautiful women as part of her background. AND Devon's original design was a catgirl, matching Nami's cat burglar theme. It's very blatant and if you're denying it then you're just being contrarian at this point lol.
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We don't know what Pizarro or Basco Shot can do, now who is the final Titan or even if there will be more of them ahead. It's impossible to make a good match up prediction without answering these questions, as even the slightest change could make one character a better match-up than before.
IMO, we can be more or less certain of:
Luffy vs Teach
Usopp vs Augur
Chopper vs Doc Q & Stronger
Brook vs LaffiteAnything beyond that becomes a little weirder. Even Zoro vs Shiryu could be misleading at this point.
This exactly!
The only one you listed above I’m not 100% sure of is Brook vs Laffite, I’m like 90% certain it will probably happen but there might be a small chance that Oda match’s up laffite and Nami because of there rolls of navigator
Again the similarities between Brook and Laffite are way to similar which is why I’m pretty certain they will fight
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It's very blatant and if you're denying it then you're just being contrarian at this point lol.
You are very confident about something that hasn't happened yet. Call me contrarian when it's a fact, not a prediction.
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Interesting how nobody 100% believes in the mirror matches given how rare people think Jinbe vs Burgess will happen.
What's going to be interesting is if Burgess gets to get a fruit before the end. Dressrosa made it clear guy is hunting for a powerful fruit to eat. But what will it be
If you think along the lines of position based mirror matches you might want to think about any fruit that would raise the challenge vs Jinbe a lot.