Catviper is still my favorite mink followed closely by Pekoms and Carrot
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I would have loved to seen Pedro's Sulong form. And I am looking forward to seeing Bepo's Sulong form. Bepo + Chopper transforming to take out a Tobi Roppo. Mmmmmm.
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I would have loved to seen Pedro's Sulong form. And I am looking forward to seeing Bepo's Sulong form. Bepo + Chopper transforming to take out a Tobi Roppo. Mmmmmm.
What about Pekoms :cwy:
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What about Pekoms :cwy:
I really like Pekoms. But his Sulong form was…underwhelming, especially after we seen the transformation Carrot went through.
Btw, Pekoms eyes may have been crushed, so I am not sure if he would be able to transform into Sulong form again.
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I really like Pekoms. But his Sulong form was…underwhelming, especially after we seen the transformation Carrot went through.
Btw, Pekoms eyes may have been crushed, so I am not sure if he would be able to transform into Sulong form again.
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His Suulong form may not have been super impressive but you forget he has a Lion/Turtle Hybrid Suulong form
And if that doesn’t do it for you he has a Awakened Lion/Turtle Hybrid Suulong form To boot
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Yeah Pekoms base form is fantastic. That is probably why I believe the Sulong form for him wasn't too dramatic because Oda already poured a massive amount of creativity into his original design.
The same with some of the other Minks who had spine-tingling impressive original character designs, their Mink Sulong forms only achieves to convey their more feral nature. When it came to Carrot, who was the first Mink we seen transform into Sulong, her transformation was something else entirely. In went beyond conveying Carrot as more feral but illustrated a more elegant, mystic and enchanting existence. Carrot's transformation was more aligned with Chopper's in how his design changes drastically. I do wonder if Carrot's initial basic appearance may have left Oda with the desire to re-imagine how Carrot could look and that was conveyed through her Sulong form.
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Oda got a five year plan to stick to now, he's cutting corners on fights more than ever. In service of that plan, or maybe for something special for chapter 1000, I dunno, but definitely cutting corners.
We didn't see the Samurai facing Kanjuro either, and that was a major deal built up for years. Him skimping the 100 random minks fighting and powering up to fight fodder followed by them all dogpiling on Jack isn't super shocking given that.
Now, if he comes back to Kanjuro, Orochi, Jack, and gives them a more proper show off showcase later once the combatants are thinned a bit remains to be seen, but…
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Her sclera darkens black, her eyes become red, her hair and tail flow long
Yeah, uh. Like all of them have shown these characteristics…
I think, its got to do with the fact that once a transformation is shown for the first time, manga artists just go "whatever" afterwards.
And since all Sulongs were anticipated to look the same, Oda just went for it.For example, Oda's never drawn Monster Point as detailed as it was on Enies Lobby, its just a screaming mad reinder the few times he used it in the NW, very similar to Sulongs actually.
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Yeah, uh. Like all of them have shown these characteristics…
I think, its got to do with the fact that once a transformation is shown for the first time, manga artists just go "whatever" afterwards.
And since all Sulongs were anticipated to look the same, Oda just went for it.For example, Oda's never drawn Monster Point as detailed as it was on Enies Lobby, its just a screaming mad reinder the few times he used it in the NW, very similar to Sulongs actually.
The hair for at least the male transformations seems a lot more wild. Carrot's hair was fairly more kempt. Also, no, their sclera's don't darken as well.
as opposed to
That's why I was debating if that was just unique to her or Oda favoring a female character design over males.
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And I am looking forward to seeing Bepo's Sulong form.
Would be a surprise if he could control it, he left Zou as a child and probably never learned to control it.
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Oda got a five year plan to stick to now, he's cutting corners on fights more than ever. In service of that plan, or maybe for something special for chapter 1000, I dunno, but definitely cutting corners.
We didn't see the Samurai facing Kanjuro either, and that was a major deal built up for years. Him skimping the 100 random minks fighting and powering up to fight fodder followed by them all dogpiling on Jack isn't super shocking given that.
Now, if he comes back to Kanjuro, Orochi, Jack, and gives them a more proper show off showcase later once the combatants are thinned a bit remains to be seen, but…
I don't think Oda cares much for fights anymore.
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@Johnny:
I don't think Oda cares much for fights anymore.
Which sucks cause that was a huge part of the appeal for me, and others I assume
I mean it's def not the only thing I want out of One Piece, I love the characters, the world building, the story, the secrets that still lie in wait
but damn it I miss the crew getting to each have there own fights and time to shine in battle, I still prefer what we have right now in One Piece over just a straight up battle manga that only deals in fights, but I'd really like to see some good bouts
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Would be a surprise if he could control it, he left Zou as a child and probably never learned to control it.
At least he didn't have another Mink who could've taught him.Maybe. Law did leave his crew at Zou while he was setting things up on Punk Hazard for several months. During that time, if Bepo didn't learn to control his Sulong form himself, he could have gotten assistance from his fellow Mink comrades to learn to master the capabilities of the Sulong form. A lot can happen in the span of a few months in manga stories.
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Seeing as Bepo was away from Zou for 13-14 years, there must have been moments he gazed at the full moon and transformed in his Sulong form meaning he was aware of such a transformation achievable by the Mink. Considering Bepo is a master martial artist and likely a self-taught Navigator (so that he could find his way back to Zou), I wouldn't put it past Bepo that he ended up learning to control his Sulong form himself - similar to how Law learned to master the Ope Ope no Mi himself. Having trained and studied martial arts, Bepo has the discipline and capabilities required to learn to control the Sulong form. Bepo wouldn't want to put his crew at risk if he unintentionally transformed at one point, so he could have at least done training on his Sulong form to control it. I find it would not be surprising at all if someone like Bepo was able to at least train himself to control his Sulong form himself. Bepo could have mastered the Sulong form while he was on Zou during the time Law was on Punk Hazard.Bepo and Chopper transforming into Beast forms they can control and unleashing on the Beast Pirates would be too good to pass up I feel.
Also given that Big Mom is the one who killed Bepo's brother, I wonder if Bepo would ever end up attacking Big Mom at some point O.o.
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The five years is just to get to One Piece. There will likely be a few years of fighting after that. I'd rather take the off-paneling now as opposed to the end of the series.
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The five years is just to get to One Piece. There will likely be a few years of fighting after that. I'd rather take the off-paneling now as opposed to the end of the series.
The match ups between the Straw Hats and the Black Beard Pirates are gonna be amazing
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I'm pretty sure everyone will get their fight in Wano. But the fights are in Act 4, for now it's all setup, which is why Oda is not wasting time with fights that would ultimately only drag down the story.
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I'm pretty sure everyone will get their fight in Wano. But the fights are in Act 4, for now it's all setup, which is why Oda is wasting time with fights that would ultimately only drag down the story.
Well at the very least we know that Oden’s 9 vassal’s won’t take Kaido down
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The five years is just to get to One Piece.
That's one interpretation of what Oda said, and how people are taking it optimistically. But even fluent speakers aren't pinning down exactly what he meant since he was intentionally vague.
Yeah Oda probably isn't going to hit his 5 year goal, 7ish seems more ikely, but he's said it explicitly like 4 times now with possibly a mild caveat in the SBS answering of the question. Pinning out expectation on "well he ACTUALLY meant" is a silly thing to do after he's quadrupled down on the series ending in that frame. Even when he inevitably goes over, that's still what he's shooting for.
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That's one interpretation of what Oda said, and how people are taking it optimistically. But even fluent speakers aren't pinning down exactly what he meant since he was intentionally vague.
Yeah Oda probably isn't going to hit his 5 year goal, 7ish seems more ikely, but he's said it explicitly like 4 times now with possibly a mild caveat in the SBS answering of the question. Pinning out expectation on "well he ACTUALLY meant" is a silly thing to do after he's quadrupled down on the series ending in that frame. Even when he inevitably goes over, that's still what he's shooting for.
I thought that was the only interpretation, I thought it was five years till Rafael and a few years to deal with the aftermath
What’s your interpretation of what Oda said?
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I thought that was the only interpretation, I thought it was five years till Rafael and a few years to deal with the aftermath
What’s your interpretation of what Oda said?
Oda did not say "Luffy is finding One Piece in five years, and then I'm doing a big war for however long." He said "In five years One Piece will have been found and the biggest adventure for Luffy will be done, so that's a natural stopping point."
Oda's saying that he's not quitting the series because he's tired or wants to give it up, he's ending the series because that's the the long planned ending point. He also said that after Wano the biggest most exciting thing is coming, so…
Everything else is an assumption on our parts . We've long assumed that it 'll be find treasure, then multi-year war, because that's what the story and Shonen Law tells us. Plus, we all factor in Oda's track record with guessing timetables, etc. etc, we somehow know better than the author himself how much is left. We can all make an informed analysis and guess of what it will ultimately mean, that it will take him longer, and that just finding the treasure isn't the stopping point. But that's us bringing it to the statement and interpreting, Oda didn't say any of that in his statement.
Oda's hedged his bets and made it more vague and given himself more leeway, heck even this new five year statement is a full year after the previous one so he's kind of snuck in an extra year already and yeah, you CAN interpret it as just the treasure point and not the actual finale point if you want. But like I said, even fluent speakers aren't getting a solid take on exactly what he means, because Oda is being super evasive now that he realized he maybe announced the 5 year thing too soon. I think if he'd waiting till after Wano to announce it, it'd be much better received overall.
I don't personally think he's actually going to finish it all in five (though if he keeps off panelling long promised and built up things like Kanjuro and Jack...) and yeah, that's probably going to be roughly when we get to the treasure so it'll turn out to END UP being the case... but its still not what Oda said.
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The hair for at least the male transformations seems a lot more wild. Carrot's hair was fairly more kempt. Also, no, their sclera's don't darken as well.
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That's why I was debating if that was just unique to her or Oda favoring a female character design over males.
It did look like they had their black eyes too in the bigger picture, but I suppose it only looked like it because of how small their eyes are in there.
Anyways, Pekomz has his eyes just entirely red in the official coloring, which is also different, so maybe Oda's just not putting great attention into it.
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It did look like they had their black eyes too in the bigger picture, but I suppose it only looked like it because of how small their eyes are in there.
Anyways, Pekomz has his eyes just entirely red in the official coloring, which is also different, so maybe Oda's just not putting great attention into it.
This is also ignoring the fact that she doesn't have fangs or jagged/sharp teeth. Her design is intentionally different. Maybe its because females look different than the male counterparts when they transform or its specific to her. I'm just assuming that the reason Pekoms has no pupils in his Sulong state is because he has no control over the form, so it makes him seem wild. Almost like Monster Point Chopper pre-timeskip.
Regardless, the fact is that its different.
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Maybe. Law did leave his crew at Zou while he was setting things up on Punk Hazard for several months. During that time, if Bepo didn't learn to control his Sulong form himself, he could have gotten assistance from his fellow Mink comrades to learn to master the capabilities of the Sulong form.
Seeing as Bepo was away from Zou for 13-14 years, there must have been moments he gazed at the full moon and transformed in his Sulong form meaning he was aware of such a transformation achievable by the Mink. Considering Bepo is a master martial artist and likely a self-taught Navigator (so that he could find his way back to Zou), I wouldn't put it past Bepo that he ended up learning to control his Sulong form himself - similar to how Law learned to master the Ope Ope no Mi himself. Having trained and studied martial arts, Bepo has the discipline and capabilities required to learn to control the Sulong form. Bepo wouldn't want to put his crew at risk if he unintentionally transformed at one point, so he could have at least done training on his Sulong form to control it. I find it would not be surprising at all if someone like Bepo was able to at least train himself to control his Sulong form himself.
Sulong is something you don't learn to control by yourself. You basically go berserk, you need someone to wake you up, from what I understand.
So there are a few possibilities.
- Bepo transformed in his past, and Law was able to stop him respectively help him to control it.
- He transformed, Law stopped him, and since then he never gazed at a full moon again.
- After reaching Zou he learned to control it.
Pekoms isn't able to control it, even though Pedro taught him, so doesn't seem that easy.
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Anyways, Pekomz has his eyes just entirely red in the official coloring, which is also different, so maybe Oda's just not putting great attention into it.
Maybe the colour depends on if, and how good you can control it.
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Sulong is something you don't learn to control by yourself. You basically go berserk, you need someone to wake you up, from what I understand.
So there are a few possibilities.
- Bepo transformed in his past, and Law was able to stop him respectively help him to control it.
- He transformed, Law stopped him, and since then he never gazed at a full moon again.
- After reaching Zou he learned to control it.
Pekoms isn't able to control it, even though Pedro taught him, so doesn't seem that easy.
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Maybe the colour depends on if, and how good you can control it.
my guess is he probably learned to control it
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so it seems like Jinbe's color will be brown, and not turqiose like Deicide speculated, i liked his theory but it did look like there would be too many blue:ish colors, so brown is fine.
for the perfect balance, Tama should be lime green.
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I thought Deicide was aiming for Lime Green because of Jinbro's kimonos, and someone else proposed Turquoise or Aqua because of his water related skills.
I don't feel like we need a Vivre Card or SBS to extra-confirm it, and the Color Psychology Theory( a Monquito original), makes it just perfect to be brown.
I also do agree that Lime Green would balance things out with what we currently have in the crew.
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I thought Deicide was aiming for Lime Green because of Jinbro's kimonos, and someone else proposed Turquoise or Aqua because of his water related skills.
I don't feel like we need a Vivre Card or SBS to extra-confirm it, and the Color Psychology Theory( a Monquito original), makes it just perfect to be brown.
I also do agree that Lime Green would balance things out with what we currently have in the crew.
His theory was based on the kimono Jinbe wears in your sig and on the rainbow flooring in the power suit color spread, that kind of Green/blue color, at least from what I remember.
and props to you for the color psychology theory.
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That theory wasn’t mine, I just liked it and built on top of it.
And it was based on that Mugiwara 56 spread with the two extra colors On the rainbow: light green and violet. So Jinbe being presented with a light green kimono later seemed to confirm it.
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I think jinbe's color is red orange/vermillion because of his cape (marineford clothes)
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Has Jinbe's color been confirmed?
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Has Jinbe's color been confirmed?
No, but has presented in beige/light brown in the countdown to chapter 1,000.
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Oda did not say "Luffy is finding One Piece in five years, and then I'm doing a big war for however long." He said "In five years One Piece will have been found and the biggest adventure for Luffy will be done, so that's a natural stopping point."
Oda's saying that he's not quitting the series because he's tired or wants to give it up, he's ending the series because that's the the long planned ending point. He also said that after Wano the biggest most exciting thing is coming, so…
Everything else is an assumption on our parts . We've long assumed that it 'll be find treasure, then multi-year war, because that's what the story and Shonen Law tells us. Plus, we all factor in Oda's track record with guessing timetables, etc. etc, we somehow know better than the author himself how much is left. We can all make an informed analysis and guess of what it will ultimately mean, that it will take him longer, and that just finding the treasure isn't the stopping point. But that's us bringing it to the statement and interpreting, Oda didn't say any of that in his statement.
Oda's hedged his bets and made it more vague and given himself more leeway, heck even this new five year statement is a full year after the previous one so he's kind of snuck in an extra year already and yeah, you CAN interpret it as just the treasure point and not the actual finale point if you want. But like I said, even fluent speakers aren't getting a solid take on exactly what he means, because Oda is being super evasive now that he realized he maybe announced the 5 year thing too soon. I think if he'd waiting till after Wano to announce it, it'd be much better received overall.
I don't personally think he's actually going to finish it all in five (though if he keeps off panelling long promised and built up things like Kanjuro and Jack...) and yeah, that's probably going to be roughly when we get to the treasure so it'll turn out to END UP being the case... but its still not what Oda said.
I really think you can interpret his answer to mean that though. It is intentionally vague, meaning, open to interpretation. Both interpretations right now are valid.
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@All:
the Color Psychology Theory( a Monquito original).
Where can I read this?
Monquito's post in the previous thread:
Cause yeah Orange is taken by Nami, and their official color is not oftenly seen much in their designs, see Sanji who got Blue and Usopp who has Yellow.
in the particular case of Jinbro, the orange from his outfit and blue from his skin, both combined, give you Brown.
and also, because of the "psychology of colors" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_psychology from which I'm basing this whole thing, Jinbro is perfect for Brown.And I been thinking more and more, that Oda can only grab Turquoise for an eleventh crewmate now.
The in-depth post can be found here.
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I thought that was the only interpretation, I thought it was five years till Rafael and a few years to deal with the aftermath
What’s your interpretation of what Oda said?
I'll just copy paste Gregs response to this.
"There's really no way to 'take' or 'interpret' it.
Especially not the 'We'll find out OP but the story will go on'.
Given the question, and how Oda definitively approaches it, there's no reason to question his intention and what he meant. The only remotely ambiguous aspect is his first, 'hai' response.
So, Oda's confirming here (for the first time in the manga) that he intends to be finished in 5 years. "
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Oda will off-screen the final battle. :ninja:
But seriously, I think the final saga will be:
- Mary Geoise + 11th Straw Hat (Medium arc)
- Vegapunk (Medium arc)
- Elbaf (Short arc)
- Some island hopping (Zou style short arc)
- Blackbeard + Laugh Tale (Long arc)
- Final War (Long arc)
- Epilogue (Short arc)
Short arcs go between 30 and 40 chapters. Long arcs can go from 50 to 100.
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I could realistically see Vegapunk being introduced in chapter 1K.
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I think that Ch. 1K will be during the intermission (which may take more than one chapter) and cover Sabo/Vivi/Hancock, the fate of the Shichibukai, and what Blackbeard is after.
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The five year goal reaffirms what I've suspected: Oda wants his crew finalized and ready for their last stretch of adventures together. If anyone else is joining, it makes sense to have them ready now and give them a few more stories to participate in, and someone completely new jumping on board after this point will be increasingly unlikely.
That's why I think he set Carrot up early 4 years ago, to attempt gradually folding her into the crew before this big battle cements her place. By the time the story ends, she'll have been active and present for at least 9 years.
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The five year goal reaffirms what I've suspected: Oda wants his crew finalized and ready for their last stretch of adventures together. If anyone else is joining, it makes sense to have them ready now and give them a few more stories to participate in, and someone completely new jumping on board after this point will be increasingly unlikely.
That's why I think he set Carrot up early 4 years ago, to attempt gradually folding her into the crew before this big battle cements her place. By the time the story ends, she'll have been active and present for at least 9 years.
He set up Momo even earlier…
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He set up Momo even earlier…
Momo is not able to defend himself and be part of a working crew. And his dream of being shogun calls for him to stay in Wano and grow into it.
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Momo is not able to defend himself and be part of a working crew. And his dream of being shogun calls for him to stay in Wano and grow into it.
I was a bit skeptical of Momo becoming a shogun because of Kaido's reminder that his dream came from the mouth of someone else, but his saying it again in the face of death confirms it's where Oda is going with the character. I don't think that takes him out of consideration for being a crewmate, though, since his name means "second to none" and in order to surpass his father he would need to find One Piece and "turn the world upside down." Of course, it could be Yamato or someone else as well taking the role of Wano representative, or it could be none of them, but I certainly don't think his dream takes him out of the ranking. Oden saw Wano as returning to the world stage and what better way than for its shogun to make a name in the world than on the Pirate King's crew?
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I was a bit skeptical of Momo becoming a shogun because of Kaido's reminder that his dream came from the mouth of someone else, but his saying it again in the face of death confirms it's where Oda is going with the character. I don't think that takes him out of consideration for being a crewmate, though, since his name means "second to none" and in order to surpass his father he would need to find One Piece and "turn the world upside down." Of course, it could be Yamato or someone else as well taking the role of Wano representative, or it could be none of them, but I certainly don't think his dream takes him out of the ranking. Oden saw Wano as returning to the world stage and what better way than for its shogun to make a name in the world than on the Pirate King's crew?
Yes….but he's a child. Chapter 1 will always be the basis of why I don't see children traveling among the crew.
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Yes….but he's a child. Chapter 1 will always be the basis of why I don't see children traveling among the crew.
Luffy was a weak baby still when Shanks left. Momo will, at the least, have the resolve of a man and I think will have something to show combat wise as well. Also, Luffy is most like Roger and the Roger Pirates featured Buggy/Shanks as 9 year olds.
I like the idea of Momo as a crewmate, but I wouldn't bet on it. First issue is color. Momo would be Pink and Chopper already has that color on lockdown. Second is that while the idea of him matching Oden's feat and sailing with the crew sounds good on paper, it's a bit neater than Oda typically does. Yamato represents someone else who is seeking to quite literally take up Oden's will as well, so Momo becoming his own man with his own dreams outside of the things his father did makes a lot of sense to me.
Now for my Tama argument..
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I thought Deicide was aiming for Lime Green because of Jinbro's kimonos, and someone else proposed Turquoise or Aqua because of his water related skills.
I don't feel like we need a Vivre Card or SBS to extra-confirm it, and the Color Psychology Theory( a Monquito original), makes it just perfect to be brown.
I also do agree that Lime Green would balance things out with what we currently have in the crew.
What about the color grey or white?
Vegapunk being an old man could be either of those
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Luffy was a weak baby still when Shanks left. Momo will, at the least, have the resolve of a man and I think will have something to show combat wise as well. Also, Luffy is most like Roger and the Roger Pirates featured Buggy/Shanks as 9 year olds.
I like the idea of Momo as a crewmate, but I wouldn't bet on it. First issue is color. Momo would be Pink and Chopper already has that color on lockdown. Second is that while the idea of him matching Oden's feat and sailing with the crew sounds good on paper, it's a bit neater than Oda typically does. Yamato represents someone else who is seeking to quite literally take up Oden's will as well, so Momo becoming his own man with his own dreams outside of the things his father did makes a lot of sense to me.
Now for my Tama argument..
The point is not that Luffy was a weak baby, it's just that the seas possessed a danger far beyond he realized and he wasn't strong enough at his age to overcome them. That was the point.
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