The most succinct summary of this thing that I've seen.
https://channelsuperhero.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/2-18-2.png
Hey, now, let's be fair.
Burgess Meridith's Penguin had a lot more integrity and honesty then Trump.
The most succinct summary of this thing that I've seen.
https://channelsuperhero.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/2-18-2.png
Hey, now, let's be fair.
Burgess Meridith's Penguin had a lot more integrity and honesty then Trump.
@Johnny:
Hey, now, let's be fair.
Burgess Meridith's Penguin had a lot more integrity and honesty then Trump.
Yeah, it'd be much more accurate with the DeVito Penguin in there instead.
The Penguin is far smarter than Trump. Trump could never aspire to be a Batman villain.
Yeah, it'd be much more accurate with the DeVito Penguin in there instead.
Well at least we know you didn't hack Robby's account since this was an better punchline.
The Penguin is far smarter than Trump.
Unless he's trying to off Batman while he's being tended to by a group of kids.
Is one of the three debates still some kind of town hall event? Or did they axe that due to Covid?
I don't think Trump dared to interrupt Hillary this much when she was answering questions of average people, not journalists. Maybe Biden has a chance to make his points in such an environment, because frankly this was a total disaster tonight.
For comparison, Hillary won the snap first debate poll 62-27
Just more proof of how many decided voters there are and how stable Biden’s national lead has been and continues to be.
But yeah, I do think that Hillary is a better debater. Biden wasn’t bad.
Yeah I just checked the Hillary debates, the town hall event had one mic for both candidates so it wasn't even possible for him to interrupt her. But even in the first debate Trump himself wasn't this aggressive…
I guess all he wanted to avoid was Biden being all touchy feely about Covid and his family, the one point where he can really reach people on a emotional level. Screaming random stuff in his direction did work pretty well in this regard. Especially those 3,5 millions.... I can't even remember what that number referred to, just that he repeated it over and over.
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For comparison, Hillary won the snap first debate poll 62-27
And some of y'all wonder why I have no hope left.
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For comparison, Hillary won the snap first debate poll 62-27
Wasn't that the CNN poll (which Biden won by a similar margin to Clinton) and not the CBS/YouGov?
Yeah, it'd be much more accurate with the DeVito Penguin in there instead.
I'd argue that Trump won tonight's debate simply by bringing Biden down closer to his level. He wants to depress turnout- two old white guys yelling incoherently at each other works nicely for that.
Amusing asides notwithstanding, Biden needs to keep his composure a lot better to better contrast the two of them.
He kept his composure better than I could have.
I’m not sure how many times I yelled “shut the fuck up” at the tv tonight. But it was a lot.
Biden won where it counts. Connecting to the voters. Who mainly want Trump to shut the fuck up.
He also won by talking policy and connecting to the struggles Americans are facing.
Trump went after his son's past drug problems and Joe says he is proud of how far he has come. That is relatable and why Biden won.
@Dorobō:
Biden won where it counts. Connecting to the voters. Who mainly want Trump to shut the fuck up.
Unfortunately looking at twitter some Bernie fans apparently are not in that camp.
Holy shit that was bad.
Like seriously bad, like trump will win again bad.
The moderating was a joke
Why do you feel that way?
I haven't seen the debate myself, but different people seem to be taking different things from it.
this was quite the show, jfc
[hide]So many instances of Trump interrupting and not shutting up, to the point where Biden asked him to. So many times he dodged a question or pulled a "whatabout"-ism to deflect. To be fair Biden was stumbling a bit on his responses and you really need a sharp mind and a quick response to not let him walk over, although I'm sure anyone would get really fucking annoyed and lose their patience a lot faster.
And again, the amount of things that just made me go…..wtf??
"i've done more for black people than any other adminstration" - DEMONSTRABLY false, holy fuck
"we take care of our vets" the amount of mockery you've given mccain, you draft dodger, etc.
the amount of times he kept saying "radical left" to weasel out of a reasonable response. The dancing around the white supremacy question to pivot back to it, jesus christ. I was watching this with my mother and even she was vocal about all the nonsense she was saying.
I think the worst is.....again, if Biden wins, Trump will probably be vocal about it being "rigged" until his literal dying breath. [/hide]
Why do you feel that way?
I haven't seen the debate myself, but different people seem to be taking different things from it.
From my own observation, Trump is insanely good at what he does and while his projected image has always been "he has no idea what he's doing", you could tell he knows exactly what he is doing.
He knows he can't win on a logical political debate clash so he does personal attacks towards Biden to throw off his composure.
And it worked. Every time he riled him up, he succeeded. You could tell from Biden's expression at moments he was thrown off (stuttering, eyes wide) but never for Trump.
This is likely coupled with how delusional Trump is with his own views but also with his significant experience from being in sales and business.
He would never allow for a shake in his own confidence and that's vital.
This has been brought up many times and Trump has been doing this for the past 4 years but it is much more apparent and has a stronger effect here.
Biden's points were great and he was actually in the ring, composure or not, and was stronger than in his other speeches.
However, I could tell that Trump managed to drag him into his level (personal attacks, no you! kind of speeches) and whether that was his intent or not is up for debate but it effectively renders Biden unable to thoughtfully state his points.
The moderator who was supposed to be the one who holds control is thrown off the entire debate with Trump easily wrestling the control back and forth.
Basically, he's doing the same thing he's been doing for years and he's really good at it.
Selling himself and discrediting his opponent.
Character assassination was not subtle here but he brought up "facts" that he knows exactly will discredit Biden.
He was actually prepared, just not for what the debate was supposed to be but for what he set out to do.
I personally thought he, once again, showed off how he won and managed to brainwash millions again with this debate.
People who are informed and knows his play won't vote for him and sees through his bs.
But people who are still on the fence(not as informed) and without a proper understanding.. I can see them vote for him.
That's my humble take anyway.
From my own observation, Trump is insanely good at what he does and while his projected image has always been "he has no idea what he's doing", you could tell he knows exactly what he is doing. (…)
Thanks for the response. Trump probably did what he set out to do, yes. But from what I've read, Biden managed to convert a personal insult of his son into a relatable message to families in the audience. And he managed to stump Trump a couple times, too. I feel like that could get some of the uninformed/undecided on Biden's side.
Yeesh. I haven't watched it yet, but now I'm not sure I want to. Was it really as bad as y'all make it out to be?
Its not worth your time to watch. Just read te highlights if you really want to.
Its the exact same we've come to expect from Trump for 4 years.
Its not worth your time to watch. Just read te highlights if you really want to.
Its the exact same we've come to expect from Trump for 4 years.
Yeah…I watched a bit of it. Trumpy pretty much steamrolled biden. Oh well, I'm not looking forward to the polls following this though.
I probably missed them throughout all that petulant rambling, but I was unable to catch any sort of policy or plan coming from Trump. All I heard was good old bone cracking from him trying too hard to pat himself on the back, that he's got the greatest everything blah blah blah… utterly disconnected from reality at hand that requires him doing the fixing, not just taking credits. Though to be fair, I only remembered some tidbits about Biden's "plan" on tackling climate change because he mistook GND which he said "would pay for itself" as his own (lol).
The part where Trump said (paraphrasing) "don't talk about being 'smart' with me, Joe" was ultra cringe, coming from failson who paid someone else to take his SAT for him. Also predictably, when he's asked to condemn right-wing extremists and armed militias, he quickly pivoted to Antifa.
Sigh Can Harris even salvage this whole mess by trouncing Pence in VP debate?
Does the presidential debate usually have a big influence in swaying voters? Cause it doesn't seem like people tune in to these things without already knowing who their guy is.
Does the presidential debate usually have a big influence in swaying voters? Cause it doesn't seem like people tune in to these things without already knowing who their guy is.
Historically it can actually make a huge difference. A lot of people just pay zero attention to ANYTHING and then make time for the one thing a couple weeks prior. The Nixon Kennedy debate famously credits the debate to giving the win to Kennedy (and also the advent of tv being important.) Nixon won the debate on the radio, but Kennedy put out the charm and charisma on tv and that made a huge difference.
In this particular case the two sides are so extremely different though its hard to imagine people haven't already made up their minds one way or another, but a few years ago when it was sane candidate McCain vs sane candidate Obama, it might have made a difference.
This debate will, somehow, be the first time some people actually see Trump acting at length, and the first time they see Biden for longer than a 10 second gaffe meme clip.
For those people that are SOMEHOW still undecided despite the insanely vast differences between them, it matters.
I was really expecting Trump to be unusually composed for at least the first twenty minutes or so, which would've been the best way to highlight any mistakes or gaffes Biden happened to make.
He managed to do it in 2016 so unless his brain completely rotted in just four years he should've been able to repeat that performance.
Instead he got really, really high and forgot to do any debate prep.
I’m inclined to think that Trump’s debate strategy was pretty stupid if he actually was concerned about convincing undecided voters and winning the election.
Which is why I don’t think that’s what he cares about. He’s just being a good stooge for Putin, continuing to do everything he can to erode Americans’ faith in their institutions, stoke fear and hatred, and instigate violence in the streets.
It went just like I expected, honestly, given that they weren't going to cut off the mics or fact-check at all. Trump was so rattled about the release of his tax returns he didn't prepare at all (and he probably wouldn't have anyways, he's lazy and negligent) and Chris Wallace was unable to moderate at all. I got a chuckle out of him agreeing with Biden on Trump's wordsaladness, though.
And I agree with Neko, Biden performed well enough in my book, he managed to connect with the audience at points and got some good zingers in: "It is what it is because you are who you are", etc. They could make good soundbytes for his campaign. I also didn't feel he stoop to Trump's level when he told him to shut up and the like, the guy's worse than a 5 year old.
The VP debate promises to be more watchable at least, I guess.
To borrow another description of the debate I saw: "Trump "dominated" in the way a whiny little brat throwing a tantrum dominates a conversation and literally dragging them away to a time-out corner isn't an option."
Biden telling trumpy to shut up to his face was excellent though. That alone made this entire thing worth it.
I don't think Trump tried to win over undecided voters, it's enough if he somehow manages to keep what he had 2016. If only to make it close enough to call the election rigged and leave office without losing face (at least in his deranged mind). I know people are worried that he won't allow a smooth transition if he loses, but I really can't see that happen. It will be an irritating and embarrassing procedure, just like the last 4 years, but there won't be a civil war over this (or whatever worst case scenario people have in mind right now).
I don't think Trump tried to win over undecided voters, it's enough if he somehow manages to keep what he had 2016. If only to make it close enough to call the election rigged and leave office without losing face (at least in his deranged mind). I know people are worried that he won't allow a smooth transition if he loses, but I really can't see that happen. It will be an irritating and embarrassing procedure, just like the last 4 years, but there won't be a civil war over this (or whatever worst case scenario people have in mind right now).
I could see someone getting shot if such a save the presidency thing comes out from Trump. Not a civil war, but some groups going out with the legal to carry assault rifles and occupying something, some poor security guard getting hurt, that type of scene
I could see someone getting shot if such a save the presidency thing comes out from Trump. Not a civil war, but some groups going out with the legal to carry assault rifles and occupying something, some poor security guard getting hurt, that type of scene
Something like the Y'all Quaeda takeover of a wildlife reserve building a few years ago?
I don't think Trump tried to win over undecided voters, it's enough if he somehow manages to keep what he had 2016. If only to make it close enough to call the election rigged and leave office without losing face (at least in his deranged mind). I know people are worried that he won't allow a smooth transition if he loses, but I really can't see that happen. It will be an irritating and embarrassing procedure, just like the last 4 years, but there won't be a civil war over this (or whatever worst case scenario people have in mind right now).
Dude is 1.1 billion dollars in debt to the Russian mob and the FBI, IRS, and every major lawyer office all hate him now and he broke a LOT of laws. A LOT A LOT. Including a whole bunch of stuff that's almost certainly treason.
He HAS to remain president or he is royally fucked without its protections.
Also, his ego can't take losing, so on that level too…
he will do anything and everything possible to stay in power for a lot reasons. And when you have a narcissist that doesn't care about morals or human lives, that's a super scary combination.
DUde complained about the election he WON be rigged and full of fake votes. Guy sent out military with tear gas to clear the way of civilians so he could take a photo op. Is dismantling the post office so votes don't get counted. Is encouraging white supremacists even now. He's trying to ramm through SC justice so he can steal the election with faithless electors and a biased court ruling in his favor and that's not just speculation, thats the actual announced PLAN. They've literally announced they're planning a coup.
Short of a heart attack, there is no possible way he goes quietly if he loses. He will fight it hard until Jan 20th, and then will have to literally be escorted out by armed military and refuse to do the pass off.
You think he won't try to start a civil war to stay in power? I think he's willing to literally nuke New York in petty vengeance. He's that petty and vain and egotistical.
Dude is 1.1 billion dollars in debt to the Russian mob and the FBI, IRS, and every major lawyer office all hate him now and he broke a LOT of laws. A LOT A LOT. Including a whole bunch of stuff that's almost certainly treason.
He HAS to remain president or he is royally fucked without its protections.
Also, his ego can't take losing, so on that level too…
he will do anything and everything possible to stay in power for a lot reasons. And when you have a narcissist that doesn't care about morals or human lives, that's a super scary combination.
DUde complained about the election he WON be rigged and full of fake votes. Guy sent out military with tear gas to clear the way of civilians so he could take a photo op. Is dismantling the post office so votes don't get counted. Is encouraging white supremacists even now. He's trying to ramm through SC justice so he can steal the election with faithless electors and a biased court ruling in his favor and that's not just speculation, thats the actual announced PLAN. They've literally announced they're planning a coup.
Short of a heart attack, there is no possible way he goes quietly if he loses. He will fight it hard until Jan 20th, and then will have to literally be escorted out by armed military and refuse to do the pass off.
You think he won't try to start a civil war to stay in power? I think he's willing to literally nuke New York in petty vengeance. He's that petty and vain and egotistical.
Exciting times to be an american ahead, that's for sure.
Dude is 1.1 billion dollars in debt to the Russian mob and the FBI, IRS, and every major lawyer office all hate him now and he broke a LOT of laws. A LOT A LOT. Including a whole bunch of stuff that's almost certainly treason.
He HAS to remain president or he is royally fucked without its protections.
Also, his ego can't take losing, so on that level too…
I sincerely think that last part is the most important to Trump, because the former would require a greater awareness of the concept of consequences than Donald Trump has thus far demonstrated.
Something like the Y'all Quaeda takeover of a wildlife reserve building a few years ago?
The who and the what now?
Did they seriously name themselves that
You think he won't try to start a civil war to stay in power? I think he's willing to literally nuke New York in petty vengeance.
Maybe I'm missing something, but my impression was that the military hates his guts and his "own party" just tries to wring as much as possible out of his term. That turtle-looking dude even said they will guarantee a smooth transition, and I think it's believable. The reps should have an interest in making people forget that an immoral asshole like Trump became president on their ticket, hell maybe they will even seize the opportunity to openly distance themselves from him (once they have what they want, of course, like Barret).
I expect that Trump will do everything in his power to drag this out as long as possible, maybe even up to half a year depending on how the mail voting goes, and during that time the reps push through whatever they can. But once that's done? They will drop him like he's hot.
There will be protests, disturbing pictures, a few unfortunate people dying (as wolf noted), but I don't think Trump has any meaningful power the moment he loses the backing of his party.
I guess things could be nasty if the outcome is really 50/50 and the Republicans actually smell another legit term, but how likely is that really.
The who and the what now?
Did they seriously name themselves that
No, it's just a nickname that I liked. It was a standoff by Ammon Bundy and a bunch of followers in 2016
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammon_Bundy#2016_militant_occupation
No, it's just a nickname that I liked. It was a standoff by Ammon Bundy and a bunch of followers in 2016
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammon_Bundy#2016_militant_occupation
Ugh, if one of those guys had even a bit of tan to their skin, the feds would have been wheeling them out to the morgue.
But no, white privilege.
I guess things could be nasty if the outcome is really 50/50 and the Republicans actually smell another legit term, but how likely is that really.
With the way the Electoral College works, it could VERY EASILY turn out to be a 270-268 split that hinges on five hundred votes in Pennsylvania. (Which is what happened in 2000 with Florida.)
It's frighteningly likely.
This is a map that's more or less how its broken down for the last couple decades now. Obviously every election is different and there's some variance, but its basically been this this century, and pretty close in the 90's (but those were skewed by Perot running third party.)
Because states are winner takes all, and you only need 50.01% of a given state to win it, you can win the electoral college with only 22% of the total vote. Trump could have 27 million votes and Biden have 111 million votes and Trump could STILL win. And if that seems insane and impossible? That's exactly what happened 5 times in history already, just at a larger scale.
That said, Biden is up by 10 in Pennsylvania so that's probably safe, and he's a little ahead in Florida. if Trump loses Florida he doesn't really have any path to victory and Biden is currently ahead by a couple points there but its close.
Dude is 1.1 billion dollars in debt to the Russian mob and the FBI, IRS, and every major lawyer office all hate him now and he broke a LOT of laws. A LOT A LOT. Including a whole bunch of stuff that's almost certainly treason.
He HAS to remain president or he is royally fucked without its protections.
Also, his ego can't take losing, so on that level too…
he will do anything and everything possible to stay in power for a lot reasons. And when you have a narcissist that doesn't care about morals or human lives, that's a super scary combination.
DUde complained about the election he WON be rigged and full of fake votes. Guy sent out military with tear gas to clear the way of civilians so he could take a photo op. Is dismantling the post office so votes don't get counted. Is encouraging white supremacists even now. He's trying to ramm through SC justice so he can steal the election with faithless electors and a biased court ruling in his favor and that's not just speculation, thats the actual announced PLAN. They've literally announced they're planning a coup.
Short of a heart attack, there is no possible way he goes quietly if he loses. He will fight it hard until Jan 20th, and then will have to literally be escorted out by armed military and refuse to do the pass off.
You think he won't try to start a civil war to stay in power? I think he's willing to literally nuke New York in petty vengeance. He's that petty and vain and egotistical.
On one hand, I would agree with you, Robby. But since you claim that both the military and intelligence community hates him so much, I feel if it could get to that point, slipping some brucine into his coke would solve things pretty handily.
With the way the Electoral College works, it could VERY EASILY turn out to be a 270-268 split that hinges on five hundred votes in Pennsylvania. (Which is what happened in 2000 with Florida.)
It's frighteningly likely.
Because states are winner takes all, and you only need 50.01% of a given state to win it, you can win the electoral college with only 22% of the total vote. Trump could have 27 million votes and Biden have 111 million votes and Trump could STILL win. And if that seems insane and impossible? That's exactly what happened 5 times in history already, just at a larger scale.
That said, Biden is up by 10 in Pennsylvania so that's probably safe, and he's a little ahead in Florida. if Trump loses Florida he doesn't really have any path to victory and Biden is currently ahead by a couple points there but its close.
Adding to this, Biden's also got a big 6-8 point lead in Wisconsin, with him leading by as much as 10 in recent polls. He's doing arguably better there than in Pennsylvania. Plus, Biden's also currently leading in Florida (as you mentioned) and Arizona, with tossups in Ohio and North Carolina. This map definitely represents a shift to the right from where things stand now, but not an impossible one.
@Johnny:
On one hand, I would agree with you, Robby. But since you claim that both the military and intelligence community hates him so much, I feel if it could get to that point, slipping some brucine into his coke would solve things pretty handily.
Assuming his loss is clear, come January 20 the military won't back him. But up until January 19? Especially if it IS close?
I don't think anyone would let him nuke New York but…
Assuming his loss is clear, come January 20 the military won't back him. But up until January 19? Especially if it IS close?
I don't think anyone would let him nuke New York but…
New Jersey maybe…
No, it's just a nickname that I liked. It was a standoff by Ammon Bundy and a bunch of followers in 2016
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammon_Bundy#2016_militant_occupation
Oh yeah that sounds exactly like what i imagined.
I don't think anyone would let him nuke New York but…
I mean i realize that this is just a joke. But theoretically if a crazy call came through for nuclear strike the men in charge are still trained to just obey orders and not question the higher ranks orders right?
Oh yeah that sounds exactly like what i imagined.
I mean i realize that this is just a joke. But theoretically if a crazy call came through for nuclear strike the men in charge are still trained to just obey orders and not question the higher ranks orders right?
Wrong. Soldiers are explicitly allowed, even required I believe, to refuse illegal orders, and something like nuking one of own cities is, if not inherently illegal, then at least subject to checking up on.