Don't see why Big Mom's going down this arc.
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I don't think Big Mom will go down this arc but I also think she needs to be pulled away from Luffy. I have a feeling that Blackbeard might attack Whole Cake Island while Big Mom is away and force her to retreat.
At the very least for the next arc I don't think the Straw Hats will be going backwards. They will have to go back to Fihman Island eventually, but that won't be until they at least hit Lodestar island.
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Don't see why Big Mom's going down this arc.
Because that was entirely before we (and Luffy) knew Big Mom would pursue Luffy to Wano. Not to mention he just proclaimed he'd beat everyone in Wano's war right in front of her this past chapter.
Additionally, Oda has yet to ever revisit islands (there's really no space or place for it in the story). Fishman island is really the only arc that has been hinted at having an "revisit" due to it being inherently tied to the end of the story.
Now Elbaf? Maybe, but I definitely don't see anyone returning to WCI.
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I don't know if Big Mom will be defeated in Wano. It feels like Oda is not framing her presence there as a full-fledged villain, or at least it's completely different compared to WCI or how he's doing Kaido now. Also, there's not much motivation to defeat her despite Luffy claiming an all-out war.
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I don't know if Big Mom will be defeated in Wano. It feels like Oda is not framing her presence there as a full-fledged villain, or at least it's completely different compared to WCI or how he's doing Kaido now. Also, there's not much motivation to defeat her despite Luffy claiming an all-out war.
I just don't think she'll fall in the traditional sense. There was clear narrative exposing us to O-Lin. At worst, I see someone (possibly Luffy), setting her back into that personality towards the end of the arc, and I feel like this will effectively end her role at Wano. I just don't see Luffy beating BM to a pulp, even if she's a certified monster. Perhaps another villain (Blackbeard perhaps?) maybe though.
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I just don't think she'll fall in the traditional sense. There was clear narrative exposing us to O-Lin. At worst, I see someone (possibly Luffy), setting her back into that personality towards the end of the arc, and I feel like this will effectively end her role at Wano. I just don't see Luffy beating BM to a pulp, even if she's a certified monster. Perhaps another villain (Blackbeard perhaps?) maybe though.
Hmmm… Idk. The issue with the Yonko is that I think even Oda stated in an interview that his original plans for the series would be Luffy taking down the 4 emperor's. Luffy also clearly said he wanted to beat all 4, although HOW he beats them would be more up for debate imo.
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What would Caribou’s color be? Grey? Brown?
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I think Big Mom will fall this arc. Her presence in Elbaf will be as a memory, and she will also be revisited when we learn about Rocks. But, as a villain, this is the end of the line for her.
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What would Caribou’s color be? Grey? Brown?
His color is shit.
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I think Elbaf is going to be the next arc after Wano for sure. That island has been teased even longer than Wano and why namedrop that Loki has been born in Big Moms flashback and that small glimps at the island with the gian beanstalk/tree. All of Elbaf gives me a Skypiea arc vibes and the last adventure arc for the Straw Hats before we jump into the final endgame arcs.
Since we learned about Big Moms connection to the giants I always had in mind that she will probably be defeated in Elbaf. Adding to that is also that Luffy said that he will kick her ass all over the new world (Fisman Island as his territory, Punk Hazard with her dream of Ceasar turning everyone into giants, Dressrosa not really much but her ship appeared and attacked the Sunny, in Zou they got Sanji and of course WCI and Wano). I think Big Mom will for some reason have to retreat from Wano and then pursues the Straw Hats to Elbaf where she will appear in the second half of that arc. Taking down two Yonkos in one arc would be too much for me especially because Big Moms forces are not even all present and I can also see a revolution happening in the Big Mom pirates with Katakuri becoming the new captain.
Now for some actual new Straw Hat discussion I find it really interesting that Carrot is once again not where all the other Minks are and she is sepparated from what will probably be the big Mink moment in Wano which tells me that Oda has something else planned for her. Perosperos is getting closer and it is unclear what exactly is going on between Marco and him but I think we can expect a meeting between Carrot and Perosperos in the next few chapters. This will decide Carrots future.
Maybe it is just me but the Dawn that Pedro spoke of always felt like something different from the Dawn that Toki spoke of. Wanos Dawn seems to be the same as opening Wanos Borders but Pedro was talking about it as if it was something that will effect the whole world in a bigger scale and meaning.
Yamato didn't really seem to care that the Scabbards and Momonosuke are still alive and still insists on becoming Oden herself. I think she has mentioned this in every chapter she has appeared now.
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You never know with Oda, he could pull another Drum Island or Punk Hazard on us
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Yamato didn't really seem to care that the Scabbards and Momonosuke are still alive and still insists on becoming Oden herself. I think she has mentioned this in every chapter she has appeared now.
The fact Yamato isn't stanning the scabbards is already a plus in my book. And Yamato throwing "Oden" around seems more geared towards an ideology of freedom than anything.
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You never know with Oda, he could pull another Drum Island or Punk Hazard on us
Lol seriously I'm gonna laugh when we all are wrong and he takes us to an island that (at first) seemingly has nothing to do with the next set of plot threads. Though at this point the number of threads are getting less in number (though they are huge threads), so chances are whatever it is, it would probably segue into Elbaf or Rocks or Weevil or Vegapunk or something related.
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You never know with Oda, he could pull another Drum Island or Punk Hazard on us
That's not too bad, as long as it isn't a Foxy like arc.
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I could see something like the Strawhats landing on Beehive, learning a bit about Blackbeard and his pirating, but then they meet Sabo or Bonney and it leads to something involving Vegapunk/Underworld/CP-0 etc because i'm sure Beehive is full shady characters
Just fun things to think about. The next plotline has to start small and escalate again. No way Oda goes from Wano and just drops them into another huge conflict, it'd be too much at once.
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Luffy will come out of this as a great pirate and we haven't been to any of Shanks's territories yet. It'll be a good time to finally meet with him after this one.
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I've seen some theories saying that Elbaf is Shanks' territory, because there is some common theme there. But I think Shanks will have multiple islands, like Big Mom, also, we don't know about the other Kaidou's islands. At this point it is unlikely that he will visit them, but if he does, it might be because Shanks or Blackbeard is attempting to get some of Kaidou's islands after his downfall, who knows.
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I've seen some theories saying that Elbaf is Shanks' territory, because there is some common theme there. But I think Shanks will have multiple islands, like Big Mom, also, we don't know about the other Kaidou's islands. At this point it is unlikely that he will visit them, but if he does, it might be because Shanks or Blackbeard is attempting to get some of Kaidou's islands after his downfall, who knows.
It's a common theory that Shanks has some relationship to Elbaf. Shanks' ship even has some viking motifs that hint at it.
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We have the build up. If we're going to Elbaf next it doesn't seem like a far possibility that it's a Shanks affiliated island from my perspective. Oda's made pretty natural transitions and going from Luffy + Law to Luffy + Kidd could be the play, for one reason or another.
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Luffy will come out of this as a great pirate and we haven't been to any of Shanks's territories yet. It'll be a good time to finally meet with him after this one.
The next time Luffy will meet Shanks is at his grave. Luffy taking down Kaido will be big news, but I'm almost positive that Blackbeard is about to move against Shanks. There's been too much foreshadowing between those two for far too long and they're destined to meet. Besides, the next time they meet Luffy is supposed to return the straw hat. Think about that.
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Not imagining does not mean she wasn't meant to join, nor that she wasn't prepped to join over a very long time.
Just by looking into how many people joined the Yamato bandwagon so suddenly shows that his case is nothing like Robin's.
Considering every character that's been introduced has had some time in the limelight as potential Nakama, even before they're formally introduced (Kawamatsu comes to mind) doesn't make it any more or less legitimate. I mean, at this point, there's more characters being considered for Nakama than there aren't.
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The next time Luffy will meet Shanks is at his grave. Luffy taking down Kaido will be big news, but I'm almost positive that Blackbeard is about to move against Shanks. There's been too much foreshadowing between those two for far too long and they're destined to meet. Besides, the next time they meet Luffy is supposed to return the straw hat. Think about that.
That's just as solid of a theory as Shillew getting Jozu's fruit.
It'll be better if Shanks gives the straw hat away, recognizing the 'Roger' in Luffy, since now we know who it belonged to.
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It is funny how many people thought Shiryu would get Jozu’s fruit
I still think Jesus Burgess might get it
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What's really neat to me is how valuable the Black Beards made the Clear Clear fruit appear. I didn't think much of it back at Thriller Bark and after we really understood Haki I was thinking it would be super useless in a high level fight. Now though I imagine Oda is going to have some super interesting tricks up his sleeve when it comes to final Black Beard battles. Whole Fleets just appearing out of no where, invisible cannon balls and of course an enemy who's direction is hard to follow for Zoro.
How lame would it be if Oda drew the whole fight with Shiryu entirely invisible. lol I'd like Shiryu to make it rain blood and disrupt his own ability.
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Considering every character that's been introduced has had some time in the limelight as potential Nakama, even before they're formally introduced (Kawamatsu comes to mind) doesn't make it any more or less legitimate. I mean, at this point, there's more characters being considered for Nakama than there aren't.
But all of those were just wishful thinking, Yamato actually asked about getting on Luffy's ship two chapters after his introductions.
There's a difference between readers making theories and a characters seemingly throwing itself as potential nakama so soon after its introduction.
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But all of those were just wishful thinking, Yamato actually asked about getting on Luffy's ship two chapters after his introductions.
There's a difference between readers making theories and a characters seemingly throwing itself as potential nakama so soon after its introduction.
I agree.
Every time there's a new cool character that appears there's always someone going "he's the next nakama", but that's just fan's wishful thinking. Yamato is the first character in a really long time (I'd say since Jinbei really…) that has all the premises needed for a nakama. Of course she'll need development to make her relly suitable, but still there's something different here compared to the other exemples.
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But all of those were just wishful thinking, Yamato actually asked about getting on Luffy's ship two chapters after his introductions.
There's a difference between readers making theories and a characters seemingly throwing itself as potential nakama so soon after its introduction.
No matter how close it gets, it's always going to be wishful thinking until it actually happens.
That's the simple matter of fact. Oda is going to be seeding red herrings from here on out, and Yamato is the latest in the trend. Does Yamato have great chances of joining? It really depends on the story, and nothing else. Let us remember that Carrot is literally ON the ship and she isn't a crewmember. We have to acknowledge that Yamato wanting off Onagashima is not the equivalent of joining the Strawhat crew.
When it comes to discussing Yamato, we are still addressing potential theories, even if the possibility of joining is up-front and presented at face value. There are still plenty of things in the story and in characterization left wide open and unresolved. I will say the chances are high, but until it actually happens it will always be wishful thinking of wanting a character that fits the bill to join the crew. Imagine if the scenario is Yamato doesn't join - what does it say about our expectations of who will be joining the crew? Just because a whole bunch of people jumped on the bandwagon doesn't make it any more or less true than any other character. It just shows that many people have expectations that Yamato will join despite there not being concrete evidence to suggest so.
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But all of those were just wishful thinking, Yamato actually asked about getting on Luffy's ship two chapters after his introductions.
There's a difference between readers making theories and a characters seemingly throwing itself as potential nakama so soon after its introduction.
Tama isnt just wishful thinking tho, her possibility of joining stems from the same reason as Yamato, while Yamato outright said it to Luffy, Luffy and Tama hasnt gone that far yet since they dont know how deep each of their relation to Ace is yet, thus giving it more build up than Yamatos small panel of outright inviting herself.
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No matter how close it gets, it's always going to be wishful thinking until it actually happens.
Well, by this logic everything it's wishful thinking and nothing can be predicted until Oda says so. Yet I don't think Luffy getting killed next chapter has the same chances of happening of him not getting killed… At times there is also room for prediction and speculation based on facts. I'm not saying it's the case, but still.
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It is funny how many people thought Shiryu would get Jozu’s fruit
I still think Jesus Burgess might get it
I would rather if oda goes for suprise fruits, maybe even new fruit that didn't have known users, if he did it for shiryu.
Maybe if burgess gets kumas fruit he would provide a more interesting battle then just go diamond.
Burgess was going for luffy's fruit so maybe he gets something similar. Mochi! or Oven's fruit since burgess was also going for ace's fruit that is similar.
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Well, by this logic everything it's wishful thinking and nothing can be predicted until Oda says so. Yet I don't think Luffy getting killed next chapter has the same chances of happening of him not getting killed… At times there is also room for prediction and speculation based on facts. I'm not saying it's the case, but still.
That's the whole problem with dismissing anything as 'wishful thinking'.
If we're going to speculate based on facts, then there's still as much going against Yamato as there are for. A big key part of joining will bank on how the story unfolds, and nothing we can glean from the story at face value including Yamato asking to go with Luffy. All we know is Yamato wants to be an Oden successor, and the story could go either way right now with either wanting to 'be free' and join the Strawhats, or stay in support of opening borders of Wano (which we don't really know what the final result would be).
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That's the whole problem with dismissing anything as 'wishful thinking'.
If we're going to speculate based on facts, then there's still as much going against Yamato as there are for. A big key part of joining will bank on how the story unfolds, and nothing we can glean from the story at face value including Yamato asking to go with Luffy. All we know is Yamato wants to be an Oden successor, and the story could go either way right now with either wanting to 'be free' and join the Strawhats, or stay in support of opening borders of Wano (which we don't really know what the final result would be).
Of course, as I said, a lot still needs to be done in order for Yamato to be a real possible nakama, but as of now she has a lot of premises that no other characters has had in a long time.
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Of course, as I said, a lot still needs to be done in order for Yamato to be a real possible nakama, but as of now she has a lot of premises that no other characters has had in a long time.
Which is to say, we don't know much about the character and are filling the blanks with whatever we would like to assume about the character - until it's confirmed or denied.
If we look at Kinemon in Punk Hazard, he also hit a whole bunch of checkboxes for next nakama down the line until we got the full reveal of his position and role in the story as a Kozuki retainer. He was a strong fighter, he had a fruit power that fit the 2-9 theory, he has quirks and funny moments, he has a good repetoire with Luffy and the crew, his butt was literally asked to join by Luffy…. But all of that is in context of 'that's all we know so far'. In retrospect, all of that would just as easily be tossed in the 'wishful thinking' category of fans shoehorning a character into a crewmember position they (probably) weren't meant to be in.
Right now that's how I view Yamato - as a Kinemon before we know the full story. For each thing we know of Yamato that points at 'Yes crewmember' we also have to consider that Oda has been seeding red herrings since the New World. I don't think Yamato has really gone beyond that in terms of the story having him join. His connection to Ace seems to be completely glazed, Luffy doesn't use his full name, and it's not clear what Yamato's true goals are beyond 'being like Oden'. The way I'm interpreting this character right now is a pseudo replacement for Kanjuro as a betrayer. I wish there were something more concrete to see beyond this, but from a very objective standpoint I don't think anything Yamato has said or done is an indication for new Crewmember. We only really have exposition for a character that who wants freedom who also has a close connection to Luffy through knowing Ace and wants to take down Kaido. That is still very much a 'Strawhat ally' zone.
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Which is to say, we don't know much about the character and are filling the blanks with whatever we would like to assume about the character - until it's confirmed or denied.
If we look at Kinemon in Punk Hazard, he also hit a whole bunch of checkboxes for next nakama down the line until we got the full reveal of his position and role in the story as a Kozuki retainer. He was a strong fighter, he had a fruit power that fit the 2-9 theory, he has quirks and funny moments, he has a good repetoire with Luffy and the crew, his butt was literally asked to join by Luffy…. But all of that is in context of 'that's all we know so far'. In retrospect, all of that would just as easily be tossed in the 'wishful thinking' category of fans shoehorning a character into a crewmember position they (probably) weren't meant to be in.
Well the prime difference between Yamato is the fact that he already has specified he wants to join Luffy and there seemingly isn't a mystery behind their motive, unlike Kinemon. Also, Kinemon is entirely redundant to Zoro and Brook. Zoro wants to learn Kin's foxfire technique, which would then make Kinemon irrelevant in terms of combat. Also Yamato has a completely unique fighting style and we don't know if he has a devil fruit yet.
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Which is to say, we don't know much about the character and are filling the blanks with whatever we would like to assume about the character - until it's confirmed or denied.
No, it's not like that. But I'm tired of repeating the same things…
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Kinemon made himself married to Wano very quickly, so I never really thought much of him as a possible crewmember.
Personally, I do think Yamato checks the initial boxes and has made more of a impression than the whole of characters in Wano, or since Jimbe. While I agree we need exposition to get a better idea of their mindset and actions before making premature judgements.
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Well the prime difference between Yamato is the fact that he already has specified he wants to join Luffy and there seemingly isn't a mystery behind their motive, unlike Kinemon. Also, Kinemon is entirely redundant to Zoro and Brook. Zoro wants to learn Kin's foxfire technique, which would then make Kinemon irrelevant in terms of combat. Also Yamato has a completely unique fighting style and we don't know if he has a devil fruit yet.
But that plays into the point I'm illustrating with filling in those blanks with what could be perceived as 'possible theories' or 'wishful thinking'. We actually don't know the full story and if there is a mystery behind the motive. We just know the motive.
As for redundancies and uniqueness, I think these are valid points. However, I do see it more as correlation than anything, since redundancies are subjective. Let's not forget the elephant in the room with Yamato having blatant Nami face. Personally, I don't see this as being for or against Yamato joining, because I'm only interested in how the story unfolds. We can't rely on using criteria like 'We can't have a 3rd Swordsman' when having any more than just one Swordsman was never considered an acceptable factor.
As for Devil Fruit, that plays into possible theory or wishful thinking. We'd be jumping into assumption territory in favour of Yamato, rather than assessing the facts.
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But that plays into the point I'm illustrating with filling in those blanks with what could be perceived as 'possible theories' or 'wishful thinking'. We actually don't know the full story and if there is a mystery behind the motive. We just know the motive.
As for redundancies and uniqueness, I think these are valid points. However, I do see it more as correlation than anything, since redundancies are subjective. Let's not forget the elephant in the room with Yamato having blatant Nami face. Personally, I don't see this as being for or against Yamato joining, because I'm only interested in how the story unfolds. We can't rely on using criteria like 'We can't have a 3rd Swordsman' when having any more than just one Swordsman was never considered an acceptable factor.
As for Devil Fruit, that plays into possible theory or wishful thinking. We'd be jumping into assumption territory in favour of Yamato, rather than assessing the facts.
Well…of course, but I was illustrating the difference between Kinemon or Yamato off the bat. It was very clear Kinemon had a completely hidden motive, especially being at PH. Yamato is not really written this way.
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No, it's not like that. But I'm tired of repeating the same things…
To be fair, you have only said 'A lot of premises that others don't have' in your reply to me. That's a vague thing to go on, and it's not my problem if you decide to initiate conversation with me and feel too tired of repeating things that I've not heard you say.
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To be fair, the things you have repeated to me directly is 'A lot of premises that others don't have' without elaborating.
If you don't feel like actually stating what those premises are then you are right, what I said is 'not like that' because you aren't elaborating what those premises actually are. I don't think I should be expected to know your idea of 'premises' it just because you stated it to someone else and don't feel like elaborating it to someone new you are replying to.
The premises to become a nakama are always the same, but if you want I can repeat them: having a dream, having a sad past, connecting with Luffy, being a good fighter, being an odd character, having a role/purpose in the crew.
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The premises to become a nakama are always the same, but if you want I can repeat them: having a dream, having a sad past, connecting with Luffy, being a good fighter, being an odd character, having a role/purpose in the crew.
Then I think we have very different viewpoints on 'premise'. It may be semantics, but my viewpoint stems solely from Oda's will; whether Oda will do it or not in the story.
I do value the criteria you're illustrating, but I don't consider them a premise of nakama joining. I just see that as a subjective list of correlated factors that make each Crewmember distinct from one another. Consider that someone could also say 'unique design' as a premise of Nakama, and Yamato having Nami face is a big no-no on that list. Your list conveniently omits that from there.
I do agree that Yamato fills a lot of checkmarks. I think this is very different from any character so far, considering how straight forward Yamato has been. But that's the only difference right now, since we aren't really sure if Yamato's straight-forward approach will end up being played for gags or has legitimately reached through to Luffy in considering as a crewmember. My interpretation is that Luffy hasn't indicated any interest beyond having another Strawhat ally so far. I don't know if there's something I'm missing here from reading the story otherwise.
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Compared to previous crewmates, the way Yamato is handled is strange, too easy and straightforward.
Zoro refused to join the crew 2 times and Luffy had to save him and get his swords back
Nami actually asked to team up with Luffy as first then refused after learning he was a pirate than accepted "cooperating" seeing him help the dog, then betrayal happened then accepted joined for real.
Usopp's village got saved
Sanji also refused, and still refused after Luffy beat Krieg and Zeff & co had to force him
Chopper refused out of self-loathing
Robin asked to join the ship but was the opposite of straightforward before and even after this moment
Franky first introduced as a villain and even after EL had to get convinced by his family
Even Brook who was very pleased by the invitation but had to refuse because he didn't want people he just met risk their life to get his shadow back.
Jinbe had a whole saga where he bonded with Luffy, then even after FMI we had to wait almost a decade to have him aboard the ship.Then you have Yamato, introduced 70 chapters after the arc started, dumping her connections to Oden and Ace in front Luffy' and the readers face (while we still have to wait to see Tama realizing that Ace and Luffy are brothers) and immediately asked to join his ship, no bonding, no struggle. Even the handcuffs matter (thing that prevented Yamato from setting sail for 20 years) got resolved extremely quickly and easily with little emotional involvement. It feels very artificial.
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I do value the criteria you're illustrating, but I don't consider them a premise of nakama joining. I just see that as a subjective list of correlated factors that make each Crewmember distinct from one another. Consider that someone could also say 'unique design' as a premise of Nakama, and Yamato having Nami face is a big no-no on that list. Your list conveniently omits that from there.
I don't omit anything, being an odd character is exactly that.
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Then you have Yamato, introduced 70 chapters after the arc started, dumping her connections to Oden and Ace in front Luffy' and the readers face (while we still have to wait to see Tama realizing that Ace and Luffy are brothers) and immediately asked to join his ship, no bonding, no struggle. Even the handcuffs matter (thing that prevented Yamato from setting sail for 20 years) got resolved extremely quickly and easily with little emotional involvement. It feels very artificial.
Oda could intentionally be making a parallel with how Oden joined Whitebeard's crew, but it's not surprising that some readers feel something "off" about Yamato's character and might expect it to take another direction.Exactly. Even Brook, who was invited right away, bid the crew farewell because he had matters to solve in Thriller Bark.
Yamato's introduction isn't just strange for a potential nakama, it's also strange in the storytelling devices used. No foreshadowing, no seeding, signs of inconsistency in his background, everything feels a little bit odd.
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I don't omit anything, being an odd character is exactly that.
Why would 'odd character' somehow waive the fact that 'Unique character design' was not on your list, and that Yamato has Nami face?
I'm not quite sure you understand the point I'm making here.
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Why would 'odd character' somehow waive the fact that Yamato has Nami face?
I'm not quite sure you understand the point I'm making here.
You're right. A horned 10-feet tall woman that pretends to be a man with a demon mask that fights with a club and it's the son of an Emperor is not odd/unique at all since it shares a couple of face-features with someone else. Completely unoriginal, sorry.
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Exactly. Even Brook, who was invited right away, bid the crew farewell because he had matters to solve in Thriller Bark.
Yamato's introduction isn't just strange for a potential nakama, it's also strange in the storytelling devices used. No foreshadowing, no seeding, signs of inconsistency in his background, everything feels a little bit odd.
Clearly those gaps that will be addressed the more the character is explored. It's also premature to say that there's no 'hints' or 'foreshadowing' when we haven't gotten full exposition on Yamato yet. And the fact that this is happening smack dab in the middle of an already convuluted arc already makes the character stick out like a sore thumb.
Personally I agree with the wait and see approach, there's plenty of arc left
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You're right. A horned 10-feet tall woman that pretends to be a man with a demon mask that fights with a club and it's the son of an Emperor is not odd at all since it shares a couple of face-features with someone else. Completely unoriginal, sorry.
Which is my point.
This is an extremely subjective topic. In your eyes, you think that the rest of Yamato's design is unique enough to be considered completely unique. Yet take any panel of Yamato closeup face, and it's literally Nami with a different hairstyle.
This is not an objective fact we're talking about. It's very much a subjective one. Again, I'm not using this for-or-against Yamato joining the crew. I am pointing out that these are subjective values we're applying here. We have multiple panels of Yamato closeup without horns, and it looks very much like Nami. To someone else, this would not be considered a 'unique' design. It would not fit the 'premise'. It happens to fit yours, but to someone else it doesn't. And that's why I don't put much credit in any character having to fit any premise. My thought on it is that it's a good way to see the distinctions between crewmembers, but not as a strong way to indicate a new potential crewmember. Character color would also be another example of an arbitrary premise, since Jinbe has a very similar color to Franky.
For me, it's all about the story and how it unfolds.
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Which is my point.
This is an extremely subjective topic. In your eyes, you think that the rest of Yamato's design is unique enough to be considered completely unique. Yet take any panel of Yamato closeup face, and it's literally Nami with a different hairstyle.
This is not an objective fact we're talking about. It's very much a subjective one. Again, I'm not using this for-or-against Yamato joining the crew. I am pointing out that these are subjective values we're applying here. We have multiple panels of Yamato closeup without horns, and it looks very much like Nami.
Yeah ok, it's subjective. That's why it was pointless to go on with this.
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Well, I just don't want Oda to pull the "Pudding" betrayal again with Yamato. At this point, he's betraying the entire Beasts Pirate crew.
IMO, unless Yamato is the "Ace" and is acting as Luffy's foil to some extreme extent (I.e. Pudding but worse) , I really don't see how any of what we know so far harms the chances of Yamato joining.