Would be really nice to just have Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jinbe and Carrot around at least once.:ninja:
Ah, a man of culture, I see.
Would be really nice to just have Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jinbe and Carrot around at least once.:ninja:
Ah, a man of culture, I see.
Depends actually how one defines joining. Does it mean to become a Strawhat Pirate or to simply travel together with the crew? I for one think that depending on what we find out about Yamato later down the arc he/she/it might have a reason to travel with the crew but not become a crewmate. Ever since Punk Hazard we had people sailing on board the Sunny starting out with Law, Kinnemon and Momonosuke and having Carrot and Pedro tag along later. This isn't even something exclusive to the timeskip. Back in East Blue we already had Johnny and Yosaku sail with the Strawhats from Baratie to the Conomi Islands or if you want to go that far Coby traveled with Luffy before the latter even met his first crewmate. It might have been a short travel but it was during Luffy's adventure as a pirate so it counts. Not to mention Vivi who traveled that long with the crew she's pretty much considered a Strawhat by many.
So if the story about Yamato requires him/her/it in any way to actually bear witness to Luffy's voyage until he reaches Laugh Tale then Yamato can IMO nicely tag along without having to be a part of the crew. I mean with all the alliances and fleets and everything that has been build up in the New World it will be "empty" if suddenly we move back to just having the crew so I don't know if that's actually even going to happen anymore in the New World. Though I really hope we would get back there at least one time before the end. Would be really nice to just have Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jinbe and Carrot around at least once.:ninja:
Kind of weird to have someone board a ship until something like Laugh Tale and NOT expect them to be part of the crew. I dont wxpect anyone outside the main crew to see One Piece, unless it Blackbeard. No traditional "allies". It would cheapen the journey.
@Gia:
Kind of weird to have someone board a ship until something like Laugh Tale and NOT expect them to be part of the crew. I dont wxpect anyone outside the main crew to see One Piece, unless it Blackbeard. No traditional "allies". It would cheapen the journey.
The merit still comes from the crew's own achievements. If they bring anyone else along, especially someone who is not a pirate, that doesn't cheapen the journey.
In any case, Oden missed more than 25 years of Roger’s adventure and he’s still considerated as a member of his crew. So the 'missed too much' argument is debatable
Nami was barely involved in the Baratie arc.
Isn't that the arc where she leaves the crew? It was a pretty big moment for her character arc.
No character have anything to prove week by week until the day they join. This is not a reality show.
There's a level of relevancy expected for a character to become a Strawhat, but if Carrot skips an act and then she's properly highlighted in the next one, that's just how writing goes. At the end of the saga, she either joins or she doesn't based on Oda's intentions which is expressed by the totality of her contribution since her introduction… and if she joins, we won't be here overthinking "OMG!! but she didn't do anything in act 2 of Wano!! CRAZY!!"
I think every strawhat was very relevant in the arc they joined, though. They all spent some time interacting with Luffy or other members and showing off their powers and having a personal connection to the villain or the place they were.
Oh wait, that's what Yamato is doing.
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! Apparently a One Piece editor said he cried after reading one of the next few chapters to come out, so maybe were getting a Kaido/Yamato backstory soon?
My money is on that being related to the Kanjuro fight.
One scabbard is about to die.
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In any case, Oden missed more than 25 years of Roger’s adventure and he’s still considerated as a member of his crew. So the 'missed too much' argument is debatable
I think this is less about story time and more about real life number of chapters. Oden was involved in all we saw of Roger's adventure, so he feels like it.
The good news is that I think OP will last at least another 8 years, so there's plenty of time left for whoever joins in Wano to be involved.
Isn't that the arc where she leaves the crew? It was a pretty big moment for her character arc.
Yeah, that arc. The 1 where she left and never return
I think every strawhat was very relevant in the arc they joined, though. They all spent some time interacting with Luffy or other members and showing off their powers and having a personal connection to the villain or the place they were.
Oh wait, that's what Yamato is doing.
What power did Nami show off in Arlong Park? You might mean skill to deceive
Yeah, that arc. The 1 where she left and never return
I don't get what point you are making.
What power did Nami show off in Arlong Park? You might mean skill to deceive
Nami was not even a fighter at this stage of the manga, that's not a fair comparison.
It is also not a fair comparison because her "joining" was split intwo arcs, with the Buggy one being the one where she shows off her skills and Arlong Park where her character is develop. It's similar to Robin's stuff.
My original point is that if Wano is supposed to be Carrot's joining arc, she has done or shown jack shit in it compared to the other strawhats in their joining arcs. You could say she got to show off in WCI, but the emotional part continues to be lacking and so far Wano has given no signs she will ever get that.
@Dragin Luffy
I view Nami's skill as deceit and ingenuity. She's always had it. Usopp made something to fit that. I don't consider it a "power". You specifically said "showing off their powers" and that doesn't add up because not all of them have "powers" in the sense that you mean. You even backpedaled and said "that's not a fair comparison". That shows that those statements are conflicting and you are fully aware of that.
I've been consistent in saying that Carrot may join. I have never said this arc as an absolute statement. Was losing Pedro right in front of her not emotional? The easiest thing to do is say that you didn't care for Pedro's death. I didn't like how there was no body shown as evidence. It happened tho, so "emotional part" applies to it. To add to that, this arc isn't over.
Carrot was used to debut the Mink's electro and Sulong (Inu mentioned it), so this "power" criteria of yours has been met, even tho it doesn't apply to all of the crew.
Maybe there's a reason behind Oda still having Carrot being with Nami (straw hat) instead of having her follow the other minks.:ninja:
Yeah if I had to bet; Carrot's narrative purpose is ultimately to unite the minks under one ruler.
Yeah if I had to bet; Carrot's narrative purpose is ultimately to unite the minks under one ruler.
Does it mean that ruler has to be Carrot herself?
Maybe there's a reason behind Oda still having Carrot being with Nami (straw hat) instead of having her follow the other minks.:ninja:
If anything her following another strawhat just makes her look more like a side character from a self-contained saga. An actual new strawhat would be getting more… spotlight? Carrot is being used as an acessory for Nami to have someone to talk to, just like Shinobu.
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Was losing Pedro right in front of her not emotional?
It didn't have 1/10th of the emotion any of the strawhats had in their stories, no.
It didn't have 1/10th of the emotion any of the strawhats had in their stories, no.
Oh, so it was emotional? Gotcha
Oh, so it was emotional? Gotcha
Not as emotional as the flashbacks of the other Strawhats.
To be honest I didn't feel anything when he blew himself up.
Was like ¯_(ツ)_/¯.
What made it feel a bit weird was how he seemed like he was itching for an opportunity to do it.
Not as emotional as the flashbacks of the other Strawhats.
To be honest I didn't feel anything when he blew himself up.
Was like ¯_(ツ)_/¯.
And if you go and check the spoiler's thread for that chapter, half the thread is wondering if we're getting Pell'ed again.
Oh, so it was emotional? Gotcha
I mean if you are gonna be technical, yes. Every panel in the manga has some degree of emotion.
If you are just going to nitpick the absolute meanings of the words I use, then this argument isn't going to get anywhere. We both know what I meant with "emotion".
Not as emotional as the flashbacks of the other Strawhats.
To be honest I didn't feel anything when he blew himself up.
Was like ¯_(ツ)_/¯.
I remember feeling the death was sad just not in any way related to Carrot. She was impacted as badly as her friends in the same scene were, and it ddn't seen to leave a mark on her either.
@wolfwood
I thought Pedro was done the first time as he fought Tamago.
@monquiyo
Yeah, half a lot of this thread is bickering over a Nami face, which I find irrelevant
Does it mean that ruler has to be Carrot herself?
No but that would probably be for the best at least when she's older. Meanwhile, she could go searching for "ponegliffs". :ninja:
No but that would probably be for the best at least when she's older. Meanwhile, she could go searching for "ponegliffs". :ninja:
It kinda opens the interrogant.
If Inu and Neko stay as Retainers, who's gon rule the Minks then?, Shishilian would be the most logical right now, that until Pedro returns.
Yeah, half a lot of this thread is bickering over a Nami face, which I find irrelevant
I think it's worth discussing, even if people's minds won't change on either side. The point, really, isn't that she looks like Nami, it's that so many people look like Nami and those of us who point out the face believe Oda has worked particularly hard to make the Straw Hats appearances very unique compared to everyone else. It's part of why Water 7 was so fun, because almost all of the Galley-La members had really unique designs. In the Straw Hats, the only ones who look at all similar are Zoro and Sanji, who would look about the same if you shaved all the hair off of their face and head and took away Zoro's scar.
For me, this is especially apparent in an arc where Oda has made 2 (one prominent, one somewhat so) female designs that are very distinctive in Hiyori and Tsuru. It doesn't mean she's not going to be a Straw Hat, but in a thread devoted to discussing the possibilities, it's certainly worth exploring.
It kinda opens the interrogant.
If Inu and Neko stay as Retainers, who's gon rule the Minks then?, Shishilian would be the most logical right now, that until Pedro returns.
See, I wonder if Shishilian and Pedro would be able to get ALL the minks under them because Shishilian is clearly Dogstorm's guy and Pedro was clearly Catviper's guy.
Carrot is not so constrained as them, clearly.
it's that so many people look like Nami and those of us who point out the face believe Oda has worked particularly hard to make the Straw Hats appearances very unique compared to everyone else.
I like to discuss to find how did the other person get to their conclusion, regardless if I agree with them or not. It lets me see what I missed or didn't see at all. "Where is the panel or chapter that you got this from, is this based on preference or a pattern, etc". Some are open about how they came to their conclusion and some feel like their methods would be shamed. There could be an ally from the past that was treated exactly like some of the candidates today and if someone points it out, it's helpful for my memory.
That highlighted part is exactly why I find it irrelevant. Oda has done it before. Not for nakama specifically, but many characters that he wants to emphasize as beautiful in his story. I can't get anything from something that has been expounded on and mostly because it's design, which i've said is something I can't rely on that much.
I like to discuss to find how did the other person get to their conclusion, regardless if I agree with them or not. It lets me see what I missed or didn't see at all. "Where is the panel or chapter that you got this from, is this based on preference or a pattern, etc". Some are open about how they came to their conclusion and some feel like their methods would be shamed. There could be an ally from the past that was treated exactly like some of the candidates today and if someone points it out, it's helpful for my memory.
That highlighted part is exactly why I find it irrelevant. Oda has done it before. Not for nakama specifically, but many characters that he wants to emphasize as beautiful in his story. I can't get anything from something that has been expounded on and mostly because it's design, which i've said is something I can't rely on that much.
Nami has become his typical beautiful face, but in at least 2 of the cases where a character's beauty was supposed to stand out he made them distinctive. (Hiyori and Hancock) Now Hancock does resemble Robin, but that design set is much less used than the Nami one. I don't think people (including myself) would feel so much about this if Oda hadn't mentioned on numerous occasions that his basic female design was created after being told his women weren't cute enough. Amazon Lilly is an example of Oda intentionally drawing an aesthetically unique version of female characters. None of them have Nami-Face.
Not for nakama specifically
Yeah, that's the point.
~No look alikes in the same crew~
Nami has become his typical beautiful face, but in at least 2 of the cases where a character's beauty was supposed to stand out he made them distinctive. (Hiyori and Hancock) Now Hancock does resemble Robin, but that design set is much less used than the Nami one. I don't think people (including myself) would feel so much about this if Oda hadn't mentioned on numerous occasions that his basic female design was created after being told his women weren't cute enough. Amazon Lilly is an example of Oda intentionally drawing an aesthetically unique version of female characters. None of them have Nami-Face.
Yeah, i've used Amazon Lilly panels to shut up non OP fans before. It feels good.
Off topic, but the convo about Jack's age and if there was a Calamity he challenged and defeated, disappeared. Him and Yamato are the same age (28). I wonder if this means anything
Yeah, i've used Amazon Lilly panels to shut up non OP fans before. It feels good.
Off topic, but the convo about Jack's age and if there was a Calamity he challenged and defeated, disappeared. Him and Yamato are the same age (28). I wonder if this means anything
That means they were both also born the same year as Momo. I wonder if Kaido's disappointment with Momo is because he wanted him as a worthy opponent for Yamato and he's a failure in that respect.
After thinking about it for a bit, though I hope Oda adds a little more to Yamato's face just to make the distinctions much more noticeable, because I'm far more intrigued by Yamato's character than any other 'candidate'.
Yamato finding out the "akazaya samurai" aren't dead should be a pivotal moment for her…maybe it will just be played for laughs though.
I think that Carrot being with the strawhats is somehow a test to see if people would really like to see her as a crewmate
We've been 4 years with her and still testing?
Uhmm
I think that Carrot being with the strawhats is somehow a test to see if people would really like to see her as a crewmate
Oda doesn't work that way. If popularity contests were a thing, Law and Hancock would've already joined. Anyone that joins was planned a long, LONG time ago.
I think that Carrot being with the strawhats is somehow a test to see if people would really like to see her as a crewmate
I don't think that's possible since I'm sure Oda has the final protagonists in mind by this point.
We're way too far into the story to have tests right now.
Clearly Marco came back this arc so he can join the crew. He came in ahead of Usopp, Franky, AND Brook in previous polls. ANd Law for sure, he got the number 2 spot once, the first time ever Zoro wasn't 2nd! And we can't forget 8th place Barto! And ooh, what about Kaku?
Oda doesn't decide crewmates based on popularity. That almost certainly factors into his making a character more recurring, but not the final outcome of the story.
Test marketing showed that Carrot scored highest in the 5-10 age range of our fanbase, and that's not something to sneeze at. Compared to such low numbers Franky, Usopp and Brook are under-performing, so we'll have them relegated to background characters from here on out.
I don't believe merch or polls affect Oda's decision for nakama. If there's a quote to disprove that, i'd like to see that.
For someone who lets the story guide him at times, I wonder if polls or merch has ever played a part in a story decision. Like changing a setting or character he had planned based on something that is receiving a lot of feedback.
I think Carrot is going to join, but Oda doesn't give characters a test run. The readers don't have that kind of influence. Oda decides on Straw Hats long in advance of them joining. I don't agree with the people who say he had the full crew perfectly planned from the very beginning of the series. He clearly had a lot of details planned from very early on, but I think he has made changes, additions, subtractions post-Romance Dawn.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I think Carrot is going to join, but Oda doesn't give characters a test run. The readers don't have that kind of influence. Oda decides on Straw Hats long in advance of them joining. I don't agree with the people who say he had the full crew perfectly planned from the very beginning of the series. He clearly had a lot of details planned from very early on, but I think he has made changes, additions, subtractions post-Romance Dawn.
This. This is just speculation but I think Oda mostly finalized the crew whenever he came up with plans for the Thousand Sunny. Not sure if the completed crew came before or after but I think it happened around the same time. The strawhats DF numbers is way more than coincidence and the fact that 56 (Gomu) + 110 (Hito) + 87 (Hana) + 43 (Yomi) + 29 (????) = 325 (San,Ni,Go) is so improbable to have happened at random that there's just no way Oda didn't plan that.
Also I could have sworn I read interviews of Oda where he was still unsure about Robin joining the crew back in Alabasta? I always got the impression that Robin was more of a last minute addition and the Poneglyphs were probably devised as One Piece's lifespan began to increase beyond Oda's initial expectations for the series.
Popularity has zero to do with someone joining the crew
Like said above if this were true than Marco and Law would most likely be joining
I still think we haven't met our last crew member yet but I personally wouldn't be surprised if Yamato ended up joining
I'm not fully on board this hype train but I do see it as a possibility
Test marketing showed that Carrot scored highest in the 5-10 age range of our fanbase, and that's not something to sneeze at. Compared to such low numbers Franky, Usopp and Brook are under-performing, so we'll have them relegated to background characters from here on out.
Brook relegated to the background is fine with me, but don't you dare touch my Franky or Usopp!
Popularity has zero to do with someone joining the crew
But it might have something to do with why characters are being kept around, like Carrot.
But it might have something to do with why characters are being kept around, like Carrot.
Oda ensured Carrot would be a part of both WCI and Wano the second he had her stow away on the ship; popularity had nothing to do with it. It's not like he blew up Pedro because he wasn't popular enough.
popularity had nothing to do with it.
Definitely not, but her presence in Wano was kept at a minimum, just barely enough that people won't forget her and not enough to be relevant.
Definitely not, but her presence in Wano was kept at a minimum, just barely enough that people won't forget her and not enough to be relevant.
Or it's a conscious decision to allow people to get drawn in by the red herring known as Yamato instead. She/He's this arc's Paulie. :ninja:
Or it's a conscious decision to allow people to get drawn in by the red herring known as Yamato instead. She/He's this arc's Paulie. :ninja:
They are both red herrings, for all I care.
They are both red herrings, for all I care.
Yamato did show one thing, and that's the possibility of someone outside of Jinbe joining in Wano. Whether her or Carrot or someone totally different, the seed has clearly been planted.
Yamato did show one thing, and that's the possibility of someone outside of Jinbe joining in Wano.
Tama did that for me.
I just find it weird for Yamatos logic to join Luffy would basically be the same as Tamas, minus the emotional attachment to Luffy.
Also wondering how Yamato would interact with Ace’s self proclaimed BFF Tama and Odens son Momonosuke…
Tama did that for me.
I meant the fact that Yamato literally says she wants to ride on Luffy's ship. Tama didn't actually ask, did she?
Tama didn't actually ask, did she?
Not yet. But her asking Ace had the same effect to me.
She could ask Luffy and there could be the possibility that someone else could join in Wano.