The Last of Us Part II: Battle Tendency
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Surely there's already a Last of us thread
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Nice but this is for the new game.
We had a Street Fighter IV thread as well. Same goes for MvC. So what's your problem?
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A lot of sequels are made for games/films that don't need them. The story and premise was told and done. But this is Naughty Dog, and this trailer has incredible atmosphere, and I have absolute faith that this game was made with absolute passion.
I love the Part II naming. So much better than a simple 2, and that's odd.
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Surely there's already a Last of us thread
Nope. Actually seems like it was condensed into the Playstation thread.
Nice but this is for the new game.
We had a Street Fighter IV thread as well. Same goes for MvC. So what's your problem?
Nope. We got case by case stuff. So Pokemon and Street Fighter threads can be fairly active. But most games only really warrant a single thread for the series.
Also MvC 3 was a monster ten years in the waiting (followed by ultimate).
Very possible that I or someone else can be fickle and end up merging 4 into the 3 thread at some point, too.
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Than merge them. Holy shit as if it the biggest problem alive.
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I like to call this one "The Next to Last of Us"
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SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fucking hyped for this!
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The last words Ellie says "I'm going to find and kill every last one of them"
Huge missed opportunity to name the sequel "The Last of Them", would've been perfect.
That small nitpicking aside, Holy Crap does the atmosphere have my inner fanboy sqeeing already, so goddamn hyped, like I can't even can't anymore.
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Than merge them. Holy shit as if it the biggest problem alive.
Dude don't take it so seriously. Black Leg's just saying there might've been a thread before and we like not having to search through thread after thread for stuff ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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Confirmed:
Ellie, 19 years old, main character. Theme of the game "hate".
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I'm going to take a guess at what happened here.
Much like in the Walking Dead, there is no such thing as a totally safe place to stay.Uncle Tommy's town (which Joel & Ellie settled into at the end of the first game) has likely been raided by a group like the Wolves,
who indiscriminately murdered people for the sake of it as they rampaged.The corpses on the floor are likely to be the bodies of some of the raiders / attackers, since Ellie's wounds indicate that there was a struggle.
In this context, her vow of "killing them all" makes total sense.
As Rick would say, they've messed with the wrong people.I was prepared to be disappointed with Naughty Dog for bringing up their story again.
But if this is implying the story direction I think it's implying, then I actually welcome this with open arms.
This could potentially be very great, if not just as good as the first game. -
I am SO on board for this.
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I like to call this one "The Next to Last of Us"
And the third game will be "The Last of Us After Next." :P
Anyway, unbelievably stoked for this sequel.
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Well alright loved the first one so I look forward to what this one will bring.
I like the idea of playing as Ellie for this game.
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Wow just seen the LoU2 story glad I'm not a fan of this franchise.
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probably a good indicator of how I've changed in gaming is how interested I was in TLoU Pt I and how absolutely little I care about TLoU Pt II.
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forgot it was out tbh. Heard a load of drama about it and that Naughty Dog are apparently a horrible place to work for. Honestly I thought it was supposed to be a PS5 launch title.
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Speaking of TLOU2
! I heard there is a sex scene made with motion capture? What?
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Speaking of TLOU2
! I heard there is a sex scene made with motion capture? What?
Yes that's true.
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probably a good indicator of how I've changed in gaming is how interested I was in TLoU Pt I and how absolutely little I care about TLoU Pt II.
I got the first game via a bundle for the PS4 it was aight but nothing too special.
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From what I've heard, it sounds very pretentious.
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Just casually looking through the PSN Store and found this gem of a description for Double Dragons 2
DOUBLE DRAGON II The Revenge' is an action game that was released by Technos Japan in 1989.
In order to avenge lover, Billy and Jimmy will use their signature move '双截拳(So-Setsu-Ken)' to challenge the armed groups of the mystery. In this game, users can use a variety of skills than previous work 'DOUBLE DRAGON', and enjoy scuffles that are power up. -
Yeah LoU2 is definitely gonna be Last Jedi of video games.
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I mean Devil May Cry 2, Yoshi's Island DS, & Chrono Cross already exist.
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I mean Devil May Cry 2, Yoshi's Island DS, & Chrono Cross already exist.
Don't think those games were critically acclaimed by the media and hated by normal people. Hell you even have the same defense for both LoU2 and Last Jedi.
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Biggest problem for Tlou2 is how little gameplay there is, in favor of meandering for interactions on commenting objects/places with no (or very little of) plot, and scavenging resources that will find little use with the few enemies scattered around. Said interactions have another problem: the voice acting/directing in this game seems either poor or misguided. Most of the time spent with Ellie and Dina for example, you cant distinguish who is saying what, as their voices are incredibly similar in tone, delivery and vocal timbre. Storywise has the same problem of the gameplay for how little plot there actually is, filled with many scenes that can be argued serve as characterization, but ultimately serve very little purpose. It would be if like in Ace Attorney the bulk of the story was in examining objects, while the trials and defining moments were incredibly brief and not that well thought out. Certain events in Tlou2 just manage to happen cause the devs want to skip to the "big" moments with little to no buildup or convincing screen writing, like characters that happen to coincidentally meet each other.
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I mean, the slow-to-the-point-of-constipation type character interactions where characters throw dialogues, that are supposed to build the character but ultimately come across as fluff, at each other to spread the paper-thin story have been a ND thing for some time now.
TLOU, also, suffered from the plot skipping many moments that would've given characters and their actions or how they deal with certain events more depth, in favor of passing the time to tell the story rather than convey any meaningful character.
It's just more obvious in Part 2 because the length is longer.
Though I gotta say that I love the conversations between Ellie and Dina. Not because they are interesting or convey anything meaningful but because of how forced and irrelevant they are. Like I'm going inside a building to explore it and Dina starts talking about her sister and I'm just sitting there laughing at how poor the attempt to build her character really is. Like there is absolutely nothing to her character that has any ouch of depth or characterization other than getting Ellie laid and fluff dialogues.
I recently finished the Vinland anime and seeing how that series tackles the concept of revenge and violence compare to TLOU2 is just interesting. It's like one is written by someone who has put thought and care into the themes while the other one is written by a fifth-grader who thinks that Gantz is brilliant because blood, gore and general nihilistic views. It's dark, bloody, edgy so therefore it must be saying something about something.
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Don't think those games were critically acclaimed by the media and hated by normal people. Hell you even have the same defense for both LoU2 and Last Jedi.
But they were highly disliked by fans coming off preceding titles that almost everyone enjoyed just like Last Jedi.
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But they were highly disliked by fans coming off preceding titles that almost everyone enjoyed just like Last Jedi.
I always thought people disliking Crono Cross was a small portion of the fandom am I wrong? I know about DMC 2 even as a kid I hated and turned me of the franchise for years. Don't anything about the Yoshi games never played any of them.
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probably a good indicator of how I've changed in gaming is how interested I was in TLoU Pt I and how absolutely little I care about TLoU Pt II.
To be fair, TLOU 1 got rave reviews and was hyped by everyone for months and was a pinnacle of what the tech could do.
TLOU 2 is just kind of more of the same after the first game already ended super well and needed no follow up..
The crazy part is the critic reviews are like universally super mega positive, solid 100's across the board, to the point they can't ALL be paid off shills, but its just… no one who isn't a professional critic seems to like it at all?
I always thought people disliking Crono Cross was a small portion of the fandom am I wrong? I know about DMC 2 even as a kid I hated and turned me of the franchise for years. Don't anything about the Yoshi games never played any of them.
Chrono Cross was an okay but not great game on its own. As a sequel to one of the best RPGs of all time, it was complete garbage.
So depending on how you're approaching it vastly changes its inherent quality. If it'd been a standalone thing like all the FF and DQ games are, and there were another half dozen Chrono games following it, it might have been mediocre but okay. But it was an actual canonical the story is moving forward sequel, and to date still the only one, and it completely failed there. Gameplay, story, characters, design, it just doesn't stack up on any level.
Your feelings on it will likely vary depending on if you were old enough to play Chrono Trigger when it was new.
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To be fair, TLOU 1 got rave reviews and was hyped by everyone for months and was a pinnacle of what the tech could do.
TLOU 2 is just kind of more of the same after the first game already ended super well and needed no follow up..
The crazy part is the critic reviews are like universally super mega positive, solid 100's across the board, to the point they can't ALL be paid off shills, but its just… no one who isn't a professional critic seems to like it at all?
Its important to remember that metacritic doesn't count reviews that don't use numerical scores (like the way more tepid Kotaku and Polygon reviews) and that a ton of the disparaging user reviews arrived at a point where people couldn't resonably be expected to have beaten the game…I haven't played this thing and likely never will, but its always worth keeping in mind that many people on the internet will make it their personal mission to drag whatever numerical score can be assigned to something they personally dissaprove of as far down as humanly possible.
But then again, while I can understand giving something a perfect score if it truly resonates with you, I've never understood the impulse to give something a score of 0 if it shows even the barest modicum of competence. -
I was actually thinking about giving chrono cross another go. Forcing myself to think of all the chrono trigger references as “nothing” or “just casual names, there are ton of people with those names”, after my xenoblade bender, as apparently the monolith team worked on it.
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@Daz:
and that a ton of the disparaging user reviews arrived at a point where people couldn't resonably be expected to have beaten the game…
The leaks came out over a month ago and were pretty comprehensive.
In this particular case, in a game that's all about the story and the characters, if you know the way the story goes, and what the game forces you to do for the second half, well…
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If this forum has demonstrated anything over the years its that 1) leaks arent' equivalent to experiencing the story as told in the actual finished product and 2) people can often still carry forward their opinions based solely from leaks regardless of the full context of the product. Add people being able to stew in their dissapointment at the narrative decisions for several months prior to release, and you have a lot of people who will blast the product without ever actually experienced due to disagreement over narrative choices.
If you play the game and find that the narrative choices don't work for the intended story or theme or whatever for XYZ reasons fine, go to town with criticism, but otherwise you're basically going "I hear a dog dies in this story. I like dogs, 0/10, what a bad story"
In general, I find the phenomena of Fandom Ownership over stories to be quite toxic and worrying. Just because the story doesn't go 100% the way one wants it doesn't necessarily make it a bad story. I say that as someone who gives OP shit constantly, but at least I read the manga and try and articulate why I feel things fall short in terms of this and that.
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Or in this case "I hear a dog dies. And then you spend ten hours being told that dog dying was awesome and then try to kill another one."
There's unappealing, and then there's "Yeah there is no way I will ever possibly be invested in or enjoy this story direction, no matter how well its done."
Sometimes, when a review indicates there will be something massively bad that you absolutely will not like, you don't actually NEED to experience it firsthand just to make absolutely sure you're going to dislike it.
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Right, but that doesn't mean it's bad. I'm not going to play the game for the reason you've basically listed, but it might still be a well told story. The issue is that we actually play as the characters and it's an interesting problem to have. Killing a character and then going from the killer's pov isn't a new storytelling tactic, but I don't remember ever doing it in a video game.
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There's unappealing, and then there's "Yeah there is no way I will ever possibly be invested in or enjoy this story direction, no matter how well its done."
Sometimes, when a review indicates there will be something massively bad that you absolutely will not like, you don't actually NEED to experience it firsthand just to make absolutely sure you're going to dislike it.
not sure that gives you the right to go writing a review of the finished product, though. I don't go around reviewing Adam Sandler movies, but I can tell you from limited experience I'd hate them if I did sit through them, and I could explain in great detail why. I won't, because that sounds awful.
and tbf, I didn't care for TLoU that much, either, but I find it weird this is getting roasted when the complaints kinda seem like they could have pertained to the first one? TLoU1 didn't exactly break any new ground in the zombie genre, and the whole "maybe we, my friend, are the real monsters" thing got hammered to the point of exasperation in the first one as well. I do completely agree that they shot themselves in the foot for making a sequel when there was zero need for one.
there's a pretty strong nexus of anti-Naughty Dog backlash from both the right and left that seems to be driving the review-bombing from non-players as much as anything, and I think it's going to be pretty hard to disentangle for a while.
Feels like this is going to be another TLJ situation for me, where I really dislike a critically-acclaimed product–I'm still planning on looking at it way down the road--but end up with a lot of strange bedfellows for it.
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small added note: really feels like Naughty Dog has been trying to come up with some sort of counter to Uncharted 1's "happy-go-lucky treasure hunter murders hundreds of people" ever since it came out, when the best solution to that would be, of course, Jak 4
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Spoiler free video that goes over why the second one fails where the first one didn't from a reviewer I completely trust.
And his review of the first one, though obviously the combined watch time is pretty lengthy.
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small added note: really feels like Naughty Dog has been trying to come up with some sort of counter to Uncharted 1's "happy-go-lucky treasure hunter murders hundreds of people" ever since it came out, when the best solution to that would be, of course, Jak 4
I think you mean “potential” solution,
has to be a specific reason why Lost Frontier was the last Jak game and not simply because Naughty Dog was busy. Plus aren’t the Jak games essentially the same as Uncharted except Jak isn’t happy go lucky like Nathan? -
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Got through TLOU2, the story is fine to say the least, it´s pretty ambitious and bold, but it requires an open mind, and real engagement from the player, hence has no mainstream appeal really and is supposed to polarize, which is kind of ironic considering it´s the sequel to one of the most successful and beloved games of the predecessor console, plus it´s really heavy (have not read many reviews but this explanation, while still too short, sums it up accurately https://explosionnetwork.com/articles/spoilers-why-the-ending-of-the-last-of-us-part-ii-works).
The problem though is in-between the story progression, meaning when you actually play, since it lacks variety to a certain degree, it feels overlong and towards the end you have the feeling of just getting through the actual gameplay in order to see what happens next in the story. The review Robby posted pretty much states this correctly (though imo he is dead wrong on the story and theme part, it´s a fitting sequel( if you actually needed one, to the first game) both thematically and for the characters (Joel´s story was pretty much over with game 1). There is hardly anything new to the first game besides new foes with some new aspects, new environments (which look great to be honest) and a few new weapons. Everything else is pretty much the same, which was fine to a certain extent for game 1 since it was shorter and had additional aspects to them, but for part 2 it gets boring towards the end, and the only thing keeping you playing is the attachment to the story.So while i can definitely see people having valid and substantial criticism of the game (which is why i agree that the huge amount of perfect scores are overblown) considering the high degree of required investment coupled with the declining level of enjoyment of actually playing the game rather than dissecting the story, it´s obvious, at least from what i have read, that the backlash is mostly about things beyond the game itself, whether it´s political, schadenfreude and so on.
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! My friend told me the last of us 2 is getting bad fan reception because they have two lesbian characters who are in a relationship, is this true, if so it’s really sad that people are this immature
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Yeah. No. I'm sure there are people like that but there is definitely other things than that pissing people off. As seen by multiple streamer reactions.
EDIT: this is a reply to Shiebs.
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Yeah. No. I'm sure there are people like that but there is definitely other things than that pissing people off. As seen by multiple streamer reactions.
EDIT: this is a reply to Shiebs.
That makes me both a little relieved and upset, I'm relieved that people aren't tearing down a game for having an LGBTQ relationship in it, which would be sad that in 2020 if we still have that many bigoted people that give it negative reviews for that alone. And it makes me upset because that means that there must be something actually wrong with the game, like game play or it's story, and I loved the first game, and was super excited for this new one, I still plan on buying it but haven't read any major spoilers or watched any game play vids as I'm trying to go in knowing as little as possible, so I don't know why it's getting such bad reviews
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! My friend told me the last of us 2 is getting bad fan reception because they have two lesbian characters who are in a relationship, is this true, if so it’s really sad that people are this immature
It is part of it, apparently this already started when info was leaked, i completely missed that.
Coupled witb a certain event in the game, plus some misdirection by the director, and a pretty demanding storyline, you get this outcry.
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There are people reviewing it poorly because they've been upset ever since Left Behind that Ellie is LGBTQ, there are people reviewing it poorly because Naughty Dog is vocally "progressive" but follows regressive business practices, there are people reviewing it poorly because they feel like it's a thematic betrayal of the first game, there are people reviewing it poorly because it's tedious and overly long, etc., etc.
The review-bombing, which started the moment the game released and before 99% of people had even dipped into the game, was typical entitled gamer bullshit, but it doesn't mean every critic of the game is motivated by some petty personal issue. Yeah, some of it's immature and should be ignored, but there are some good reviews out there that actually engage with the material and come away unsatisfied.
FWIW, I've also seen a lot of folk whose opinion I respect come away loving the game, and that's ok too. I'm very certain I won't be one of them, but Naughty Dog has a degree of craft and polish to their games that's practically unparalleled, so it's easy to see how that's the main takeaway for some. Whether the human cost of making that kind of game is worth it is an entirely different question, but the game does exist independently of its development and can be judged as such.
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there are people reviewing it poorly because they feel like it's a thematic betrayal of the first game
how is that even possible lol, have these people not played the first game.
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how is that even possible lol, have these people not played the first game.
That would be 100% my take, but it's out there.