CDC seems to recommend restrictions on gathering over 50 people? That's worrisome, cause now I work in a store where you can see perhaps crowds over 100 a day. We clean the store pretty regularly, and the number of infected in my state is on the low side, but I have one wonder if things will escalate in the coming weeks.
The COVID-19 (Coronavirus) Thread
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Current doubling rate seems to be every six days; it's possible that there may be as many as 50K undiagnosed cases in the United States alone. If so, that could mean around 250K cases by April.
Even just using the currently confirmed cases, we're looking at reaching 50K+ by then.
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So the idiot drunkards go out bar-hopping because it's St. Patrick's Day, and they don't want to "let the coronavirus win".
https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/3/14/21179885/st-patricks-day-chicago-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR08HU35rKPEn0N_I7yqOULUXgr2eInbpmXP4RUO5hSWb1dHeQVWlzV52uYThat and fucking Trump tried to buy out a German medial company for "exclusive access" to their COVID-19 vaccine:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/15/trump-offers-large-sums-for-exclusive-access-to-coronavirus-vaccineSeriously, what is wrong with people?
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@Johnny:
So, is there any good news lately? A lead on a vaccine, decreasing rates of cases, containment, anything at all?
they found the prick in the NYT article that was hoarding hand sanitizer and took it from him
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@Johnny:
So, is there any good news lately? A lead on a vaccine, decreasing rates of cases, containment, anything at all?
Zinc lozenges and tablets help decrease the severity and length of the infection.
That's about it.
Things are going to get much worse before they get better.
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Wait, does everyone use the same butt towel or does everyone have their own butt towel?
Hahahaha, I don't actually use the bidet. Every house has them, but not that many people use them. Mostly people with hemorrhoids, who should not use TP. I have 2 friends in such a situation. But just as I don't share my bath towel with anyone, I'd never share a butt towel either. If TP apocalypse indeed happens, that is my strategy.
Back to the main topic, I think the USA and UK governments are fucking things up big time, but for some reason things haven't reached the same point as Italy. Were Italians just really really unlucky? Any Italian out there care to explain?
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@Johnny:
So, is there any good news lately? A lead on a vaccine, decreasing rates of cases, containment, anything at all?
I don't have a link for it, but last I heard, there are 3 vaccines going into clinical trials soon. But clinical trials are rightfully long, so don't expect any commercialization before the next winter. The current information points to it happening only by spring 2021 actually.
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Italy is more touristic, warmer close contact people, and was hit first, meaning people were more touchy naturally and didn’t had the scare of “omg a western country is facing this, let’s be careful!”. Or clinically, it hasn’t gotten that bad, yet.
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Back to the main topic, I think the USA and UK governments are fucking things up big time, but for some reason things haven't reached the same point as Italy. Were Italians just really really unlucky? Any Italian out there care to explain?
From what i gathered, it was mostly undetected for a long period (mid-january to late february), then at firts there was a lot of confusion on how worried exactly we had to be, which precautions we had to take, and by the time we acted accordinlgy it was already spread over a wide area here in Lombardy.
This is the richest and productive region of Italy, the one with most links to the EU, to the rest of the world and to the rest of Italy, since work and study immigration from southern regions towards Milan is strong and growing. Also one of most populated and with the highest medium age, so all this factors combined haven't exactly worked in our favour when Covid first spread here (first in Lodi, just south of Milan, now hitting very hard Bergamo, the second richest lombard province). -
In Australia, the state of Victoria has issued a state of emergency.
Some schooling will continue, but this has opened the government up to imposing heavy regulations on what people can do in order to stem the threat of the virus spreading. For example, its already banned gatherings of 500 people, effectively shutting down sporting events, as well recommending the implementation of social distancing…
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Another piece from Last Week Tonight on the Coronavirus:
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The UK are definitely the champs at handling this the worst, or England specifically anyway. You'd think no one could outdo Trump but ol' Boris is trying his best to do just that.
I think the difference simply comes down to…
-Trump is in an election year, and ties a lot of his smugness to the stock market at that. He's scared of losing.
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@Monkey:
The UK are definitely the champs at handling this the worst, or England specifically anyway. You'd think no one could outdo Trump but ol' Boris is trying his best to do just that.
I think the difference simply comes down to…
-Trump is in an election year, and ties a lot of his smugness to the stock market at that. He's scared of losing.
-Boris just had a huge huge win a few months back.When the strategy essentially boils down to: "We're all gonna get infected anyway, so might as well admit it, let some die, and get it over with ¯_(ツ)_/¯" … What is the government's purpose for existing anymore?
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The Dutch are hoarding weed and space-cakes, lol
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Welp, I'm officially working from home until further, which I guess is kinda cool, but I still hope this whole thing resolves as quickly a possible.
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What a week. One of my jobs got put on hold because we take child portraits for schools, and schools are closed for at least 3 weeks. I was supposed to go to Vegas next week for a community event, as well as a wedding and my birthday, all canceled. Bars and breweries have closed in California. Stores shelves are wiped clean. I'm not worried about getting sick myself but I have an elderly dad at high risk in a skilled nursing facility right now, as far as I know all visitations are banned.
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The Dutch government announced they will be also be employing BoJo’s herd immunity strategy.
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The Dutch government announced they will be also be employing BoJo’s herd immunity strategy.
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@Monkey:
The Dutch PM just did a national address to the people (the first of its kind since the 1973 oil crisis) where he announced healthy people need to get the virus to form immunity to protect the sick and elderly.
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Burger King just fired over 14k employees in spain, on a <weird legaleese="">manuver, as they have to close the restaurants country wide.
My cynical instincts tell me that both left and right were trying to delay earlier actions not only to not look bad, but to try and let the virus take it's course and take out some eternal right wing votes/pension and healthcare users.</weird>
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@Monkey:
The UK are definitely the champs at handling this the worst, or England specifically anyway. You'd think no one could outdo Trump but ol' Boris is trying his best to do just that.
Bolsonaro has 12 people around him who tested positive (4 of them while traveling with him) with a still pending test result and instead of being in quarantine, he participated in rallys and shaked hands with hundreds of people.
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Every year during the biannual seasonal temperature changes I tend to get an annoying, persistent, light head cold. No coughing or sneezing usually, but lots of congestion and sore throats. Right on schedule it seems I'm coming down with it, smack dab in the middle of this pandemic. Now I'm afraid that whenever I have to go out people are going to start silently branding me "unclean" or something. I've already gotten the evil eye from the barista at my local morning coffee place when I inserted my card into the machine instead of using contact-free mobile pay.
On the plus side things weren't too too crazy at my store this weekend, much to my pleasant surprise. Apparently the opening hours were insane, but once late-morning rolled around things slowed down. Massive orders still, but noticeably lower foot traffic compared to normal weekends so it evened out. I actually found it very pleasant and relaxing compared to the past week-and-a-half where I had a thousand-yard-stare going on.
Our store's been hit fairly mildly compared to all the other horror stories I've read and heard about, but numerous aisles are still stripped in a way that I've never seen before, not even during the Polar Vortex winter.
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@Monkey:
You'd think no one could outdo Trump but ol' Boris is trying his best to do just that.
Johnson's trying to emulate his cinematic political hero and "keep the beaches open".
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We're fucked. Macron is moving us step by step into an Italian-confinement.
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Johnson's trying to emulate his cinematic political hero and "keep the beaches open".
lol
I also think oddly enough, for once in his miserable idiot life Trump actually feels in over his head. Like no part of his sleazy salesman schtick covers "deal with the plague". He's still being a stubborn idiot, but to a degree I don't think he actually has a part of his brain going "Ignore everyone and do whatever, you know more than they do".
Meanwhile Little Lord Fontleroy of Eton's seems to think there's no big deal and he'll sort it all out.
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The late British Empire was a slow motion disaster of de-colonization bungles and low intensity wars overseen by clueless smiling aristocratic morons who thought they were doing a bang up job pip pip!
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Trump just dubbed it the "China Virus" on twitter. The racist flood gates have surely been opened…
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Trump just dubbed it the "China Virus" on twitter. The racist flood gates have surely been opened…
Its common knowledge, viruses can be named from their place of origin. Any racist person would be so regardless of it, while any well adjusted one knows chinese are as much of a victim as anybody else, while the responsability and fault lies with the government(s)
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New York City has a curfew now and restaurants etc shut down by 8 and most are take out only.
My fiancee and I are locked in the apartment, I did my last supply run a few days ago. I'm good for a few weeks, but this will last longer than that I'm sure.
You figure this started in Wuhan about 5 months ago. We've got at least that amount of time to deal with here in North America and the rest of the world as well.
Could have been shorter in the US if only someone took it more seriously. Loved the second segment done by John Oliver– the Presidential address we deserved.
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@Monkey:
lol
It's a testament to 2020's sheer awfulness that something like that is actually not a joke.
I also think oddly enough, for once in his miserable idiot life Trump actually feels in over his head. Like no part of his sleazy salesman schtick covers "deal with the plague". He's still being a stubborn idiot, but to a degree I don't think he actually has a part of his brain going "Ignore everyone and do whatever, you know more than they do".
It's pretty much the stock market cratering that's got him worried; even Trump knows that he's connected himself to its "success" so much that it going the other way will reflect badly on him. If it rallies and continues to climb, I expect every iota of this more serious approach will instantly vanish in future press conferences just like it does the second he gets on Twitter.
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So are Taiwan, Hong Kong and us the only countries that seem to be handling this well?
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So are Taiwan, Hong Kong and us the only countries that seem to be handling this well?
Who are you defining as us?
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For a nice piece of news, Japan's publishing industry is being amazing and releasing 450 volumes of manga online FOR FREE.
http://epicstream.com/news/NobelleBorines/Coronavirus-Outbreak-Leads-to-Over-450-Manga-Volumes-Released-Online-for-Free?fbclid=IwAR0cEZdCSofbLox8P4_SShimaPQq89nvSO9x-bUUOS9aNX8FBgiRcfhHEOEGet your manga fix now.
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Its common knowledge, viruses can be named from their place of origin. Any racist person would be so regardless of it, while any well adjusted one knows chinese are as much of a victim as anybody else, while the responsability and fault lies with the government(s)
This is a dumb fucking post.
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@Monkey:
This is a dumb fucking post.
There's been tons of accounts of racism toward Chinese people outside of China due to this already. This encourages/prods more. End of discussion.Yes of course people will be irrationaly angry to it, and if they are stupid enough to act criminally they will be judged for it. Sweeping under a rug something thats now part of history helps even less, and creates a slippery slope no one can be the judge of. Should Germany no longer be mentioned as the birthplace of nazism due to possible discrimination?
By trying to hide it could encourage even more of said prejudice, since we're talking hypotethically. You cant stop people from naming reality how they see it, unless you want to do so by force achieving even worse results.
Its not the time to bicker how things should be named or not.
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Yes of course people will be irrationaly angry to it, and if they are stupid enough to act criminally they will be judged for it. Sweeping under a rug something thats now part of history helps even less, and creates a slippery slope no one can be the judge of. Should Germany no longer be mentioned as the birthplace of nazism due to possible discrimination?
By trying to hide it could encourage even more of said prejudice, since we're talking hypotethically. You cant stop people from naming reality how they see it, unless you want to do so by force achieving even worse results.
Its not the time to bicker how things should be named or not.
My point was that by the president (a leader of men) calling it as such while its true to the place of origin of the illness, given his position of power he is one whom should always pick his words carefully. Yes racist people would be racist without what he said but him saying that risks inciting issues for innocent people regardless. Its grossly irresponsible.
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People shit on Bojo and Trump (rightfully so, as always…) for not taking sufficient action, while I'm just at a loss for words why the rest of the world goes instantly beastmode over this. Why do most countries act so... reasonable? I could name a dozen different problems that are a lot more severe than a glorified flu where similiar measures would be necessary, but there nothing happens. But this rather simple virus is enough of a reason to go all out?
Like, you don't have to convince me that curfews and shutdowns are justified if it means that thousands of mostly older people survive the pandemia, I just don't understand why most politicians bother to this degree.
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People shit on Bojo and Trump (rightfully so, as always…) for not taking sufficient action, while I'm just at a loss for words why the rest of the world goes instantly beastmode over this. Why do most countries act so... reasonable? I could name a dozen different problems that are a lot more severe than a glorified flu where similiar measures would be necessary, but there nothing happens. But this rather simple virus is enough of a reason to go all out?
Like, you don't have to convince me that curfews and shutdowns are justified if it means that thousands of mostly older people survive the pandemia, I just don't understand why most politicians bother to this degree.
it's not a "glorified flu", if we do nothing tens of millions will die.
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it's not a "glorified flu", if we do nothing tens of millions will die.
Even if we assume that this is the case, even if scientists from allover the world would scream it from the rooftops, I would have doubted that we would act like we do now.
This whole situation feels like some sort of parallel universe where things are going (mostly) right and people actually listen to science. It's… unreal? Maybe I'm just too jaded at this point, but I would have never expected measures that actually hit the economy this hard. I would have expected that we just roll with the deaths, jobs are more important. The usual routine.
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So are Taiwan, Hong Kong and us the only countries that seem to be handling this well?
These countries are among the smallest in the world. I think it's easier to contain the virus there. But yeah, they're doing well, they acted quickly
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/opinion/coronavirus-best-response.html
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People shit on Bojo and Trump (rightfully so, as always…) for not taking sufficient action, while I'm just at a loss for words why the rest of the world goes instantly beastmode over this. Why do most countries act so... reasonable? I could name a dozen different problems that are a lot more severe than a glorified flu where similiar measures would be necessary, but there nothing happens. But this rather simple virus is enough of a reason to go all out?
Like, you don't have to convince me that curfews and shutdowns are justified if it means that thousands of mostly older people survive the pandemia, I just don't understand why most politicians bother to this degree.
As anything else in this global sized reality show we call modern society, it's all about mass perception. Even the most distracted of people tend to notice their grandmas starting to drop like flies, and since the moajority of the western population has now been well taught to identify an external human culprit for anything bad that happens to them, and it's turning really, really hard to pin this one on imigrants, goverments are now first in line: they handle it well (i.e. their action is percieved as effective) they cash in for considerable consensus, they fail (percieved as insufficient) they'll likely have to find another job.
So now you see some really interesting phonomena. I'll talk about Italy since it's what i see looking out the window but i think it could apply almost anywhere: our public healhcare is often celebrated as one of the best in Europe. I don't know and don't care if it's true, what i know though is that every year it gets uncerimoniously ass-fucked when it comes to allocating resources, resulting in only private healthcare flourishing and despite having an apparently first-class free for all public helthcare you have to pay the private clinic if you want your possibly life-saving exam/operation to be carried out before the several months it would take to wait for the public hospital to have a free bed… until Covid shows up. Too many poor, mostly old people dying at the same time is something that wouldn't o unnoticed easily, so suddenly litteral billions start popping out the country pockets for healthcare like it's nothing, then nurses an doctors are the new national heroes, people are encouraged to take out flags and sing the national anthem at their windows, and other silly things to make everybody understand we all have to part take in this epic patrioctic struggle against the invisible enemy.
It's plain war propaganda like the one you see in WW documentaries.Unfortunatly this time we can't switch side at the most conveniendt moment though.
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Don’t particularly care about the virus myself, but my mom lives with me. She’s 73 with some pre-existing conditions. Terrified of the thought of unintentionally bringing it home to her. I can’t wait for this whole thing to blow over. We’re both bored out of our minds in isolation.
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Yes of course people will be irrationaly angry to it, and if they are stupid enough to act criminally they will be judged for it. Sweeping under a rug something thats now part of history helps even less, and creates a slippery slope no one can be the judge of. Should Germany no longer be mentioned as the birthplace of nazism due to possible discrimination?
By trying to hide it could encourage even more of said prejudice, since we're talking hypotethically. You cant stop people from naming reality how they see it, unless you want to do so by force achieving even worse results.
Its not the time to bicker how things should be named or not.
Who the hell is sweeping anything under the rug, seriously, what are you even talking about.
No one in the entire thread, or existence, has argued for "don't say it came from China ever!". People are saying banging drums loudly and angrily about it and calling it CHINA BEIJING MING VASE VIRUS or whatever is riling up mob thinking which has already very literally been harming Chinese (and even anyone that just LOOKS East Asian) diaspora.
We are not talking hypothetically. It isn't bickering. Pull your head out of your ass. -
Yes of course people will be irrationaly angry to it, and if they are stupid enough to act criminally they will be judged for it. Sweeping under a rug something thats now part of history helps even less, and creates a slippery slope no one can be the judge of. Should Germany no longer be mentioned as the birthplace of nazism due to possible discrimination?
By trying to hide it could encourage even more of said prejudice, since we're talking hypotethically. You cant stop people from naming reality how they see it, unless you want to do so by force achieving even worse results.
Its not the time to bicker how things should be named or not.
@Monkey:
Who the hell is sweeping anything under the rug, seriously, what are you even talking about.
No one in the entire thread, or existence, has argued for "don't say it came from China ever!". People are saying banging drums loudly and angrily about it and calling it CHINA BEIJING MING VASE VIRUS or whatever is riling up mob thinking which has already very literally been harming Chinese (and even anyone that just LOOKS East Asian) diaspora.
We are not talking hypothetically. It isn't bickering. Pull your head out of your ass.1.) Trump calling it "China virus" is a deliberate attempt to shove all blame onto China and almost certainly intentionally encourage racism against asians.
2.) Saying things like "this is a dumb fucking post" is just going to rile people up and not accomplish anything.
Let's move on from this.
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As tempting as it is to show new-found racism towards the Chinese for the COVID-19 outbreak, we would all end up looking like a piece of dog shit over it.
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Even if we assume that this is the case, even if scientists from allover the world would scream it from the rooftops, I would have doubted that we would act like we do now.
This whole situation feels like some sort of parallel universe where things are going (mostly) right and people actually listen to science. It's… unreal? Maybe I'm just too jaded at this point, but I would have never expected measures that actually hit the economy this hard. I would have expected that we just roll with the deaths, jobs are more important. The usual routine.
I guess you are referring to the discrepancy between this and let´s say reactions of the government(Germany) to climate change?
Well, the answer is pretty obvious, the virus has caused a significant panic in the population while, even more important, the consequences are immediate and immediately understandable.
Climate change varies from people not believing in it (which is a significant portion) to "it´s not gonna be bad", only a minority sees the severe implications and demand action.
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tbh, wild animals should be banned from the Chinese wet market. It's not just a matter of cultural difference