Yeah this is going way overboard, like Nomura overdoing final fantasy designs or his hideous take on batman.
Bleach Discussion █: Soul Society, but not!
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Still on the "Beyond Resurrección", they revealed Szayelaporro, Aaroniero and Starrk:
Respects for using Aaroniero actual appearance instead of his fan-appealing Kaien face. Still they all look like generic mobile game villains (… well, I suppose that's what they are).EDIT: This one is better to see the designs: https://imgur.com/a/nfTWd2n
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Oh God they managed to ruin Stark.
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I wonder if Lillinete is still inside of Stark.
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Ok, looking again I realized Aaroniero has hands for feet and Starrk got built-in guns in his arms and legs… I admit I found those details pretty cool.
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Looking closely, it appears as if he has bird's feet instead of hands for feet.
Kubology: The blind and unthinking acceptance of whatever Kubo writes.
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@.access:
I mean…
https://i.imgur.com/9oWWNOB.pngOh, right. That's Aaroniero. I was confusing him for Szayelaporro.
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Kinda happy we're getting a Society-Quincy war adaptation somehow, even if only by videogame.
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Just started rereading this series a few days back, just finished Soul Society
Man I forgot how much I loved the beginning, but pretty much all downhill from here if I remember correctly
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Well cracking jokes and reading other people's posts here at the time quite made up for how bad it was.
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Just started rereading this series a few days back, just finished Soul Society
Man I forgot how much I loved the beginning, but pretty much all downhill from here if I remember correctly
The thing is SS arc was just a set-up. Since all the Aizen stuff was carried over to the Arrancar arc and all the Shinigami hidden backgrounds were delayed to be explained later, the SS arc didn't had to actually finish any plot line, didn't had to wrap anything up and that's exactly Kubo's downside. It's when Kubo has to leave all the teasing and actually get somewhere that you can see how messy his writing is, but since the SS arc didn't had to deal with any of that we could just see Bleach in all its teasing and hype glory.
The Arrancar arc is pretty much like that too until the point the Captains arrive at Hueco Mundo and we move to the final acts.
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I'd argue that the main plotline of SS- the rescue of Rukia- was fairly well rounded, with a proper crescendo, climax, and closure. More to come was teased with Aizen at the end, but that didn't mean the core conflict of the arc was unresolved.
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I find it weird that very few people seem to have a problem with the absurd power creep that was the soul society arc. Everything is hyped to hell only to be defeated a bit later. The plot is set up as an infiltration/rescue but it has the MCs defeating the division captains 1 on 1. Because they trained a whole week. As a power fantasy character Ichigo is worse than any isekai protagonist from the last decade.
Wash your hands.
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I find it weird that very few people seem to have a problem with the absurd power creep that was the soul society arc. Everything is hyped to hell only to be defeated a bit later. The plot is set up as an infiltration/rescue but it has the MCs defeating the division captains 1 on 1. Because they trained a whole week. As a power fantasy character Ichigo is worse than any isekai protagonist from the last decade.
I was so young back then lol. I was just hyped by the fights. The anime made them super exciting. I didn't think too much on the power scales being wonky
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Yea, the anime deserves all the credit. It made the earlier part of the series that much more exciting and fun.
Bleach was my gateaway to anime/manga. Funny how things change. Bleach used to be the most impressive and crazy series in middle-school for me.
Ah, good times.
Edit: Invasion OST is still the best thing to come out of this franchise.
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I find it weird that very few people seem to have a problem with the absurd power creep that was the soul society arc. Everything is hyped to hell only to be defeated a bit later. The plot is set up as an infiltration/rescue but it has the MCs defeating the division captains 1 on 1. Because they trained a whole week. As a power fantasy character Ichigo is worse than any isekai protagonist from the last decade.
Not really. For Uryu to defeat a captain he had to (supposedly) sacrifice all the power he could ever have (so it's similar to what Gon did in HxH to also access extreme power). Him aside, only Ichigo managed to defeat captains and he is the main character who was hinted to have a monstrous entity inside him giving him power-ups. If you exclude Ichigo (and Uryu's one-time-only power-up), we didn't saw any of the other members of the main group stand a chance against lieutenants, much less captains.
All the way until the very end of the manga, the Captain remained being the parameter for what a powerful character would be, so I would say it handled the power creep very well.
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Ichigo having a last training session before fighting Byakuya was the lamest idea for a training session since the Hyperbolic Time Chamber….And then we get exactly that at the end of Fake Karakura arc.
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Ichigo having a last training session before fighting Byakuya was the lamest idea for a training session since the Hyperbolic Time Chamber….And then we get exactly that at the end of Fake Karakura arc.
At least that one was done in real time, unlike the HTC and the weird spirit tunnel in Bleach.
Honestly, that actually could have been a good setup for Ichigo's bankai in later chapters. It was stated, by Byakuya iirc, that Ichigo's bankai was immature/incomplete. I mean, he did use an unorthodox method to achieve bankai that was potentially fatal. This would mean there's more to Zangetsu than being a fancy katana that shoots sword beams. TBH, that should be something any shinigami can do, not just Ichigo.
Anyway, I've stated this before, but Ichigo's bankai should have come in three flavors: Speed, Attack, and Defense. He can shift between each of them, but only use one at a time. Eventually he'd unlock the ability to combine all three into one super form. With limited usage of course. It's like this:
First, ichigo achieved the speed form, which makes sense narratively. He needed bankai to fight Byakuya, and had a short period of of time to do so. And needed to be faster than him. So, naturally, his bankai would take on a speed power to benefit the situation.
Second, during his first encounter with Grimmjow, Ichigo realizes he isn't strong enough to face them head on. And not just "If I train really hard, I can beat up the bad guys". This can also coincide with his visored training and his hollow effectively beats into him that he's been holding back, that he's too afraid to actually get serious when fighting. It's understandable, he's got this insane demon inside him that wants to devour his psyche. Ichigo would come to terms with his hollow, finally understanding it's just another part of him. Then his bankai would take on an offensive form.
Third, at some point, Ichigo unlocks the defensive form of his bankai. Probably after the heuco mundo nonsense. Not everything needs to be so close together. So, Ichigo basically learns that going into a fight guns blazing, swinging his zanpakuto at everything that moves, isn't the best tactic.
For the most part, this was thought up with Bleach being very different. The quincy arc wasn't so stupid, and ichigo wasn't half quincy. Seriously, what did that add to his character?
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Wasting time on Ichigo finally unlocking his real bankai only for him to never actually use it is still the dumbest thing.
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There are plenty of dumbest things there.
The anime was pretty good most of the time. I remember the same week Nauro put out that Pain fight episode meltdown mockery, Bleach had Ulquiorra throwing Ichigo around in one of neatest animated sequences I've seen.
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Wasting time on Ichigo finally unlocking his real bankai only for him to never actually use it is still the dumbest thing.
Any dumber than him randomly being half quincy? I mean, his "true" bankai is fucking stupid. A big sword that shoots energy beams? What a novel idea.
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Him having Quincy blood was awful but you can argue that it was central to a story arc centred around Quincies. We spend a lot of time on the true Bankai crap when it brought nothing to the plot and was ultimately pointless.
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I still remember bashing words with someone in this site who insisted that Bleach many faults were subjective and it was just Kubo's artistic choices being too much ahead of time.
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I still remember bashing words with someone in this site who insisted that Bleach many faults were subjective and it was just Kubo's artistic choices being too much ahead of time.
Wasn't the guy that insisted that Rangiku got rapped?
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Wasn't the guy that insisted that Rangiku got rapped?
Yep.
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=43990&page=90&p=3683641&viewfull=1#post3683641
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I don't watch or read Bleach but I glanced at the thread title from the forums index and my first thought was "We live in a Soul Society"
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Yep.
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=43990&page=90&p=3683641&viewfull=1#post3683641
Oh, God. That prick. I remember him spouting loads of bullshit before getting permabanned. Reminds me of this guy from a different forum site who was completely convinced Bleach was a masterpiece and the people trastalking it were uneducated swine.
Kubology: The blind and unthinking acceptance of whatever Kubo writes.
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Ah yes Mr ToTo.
I never understood how could someone who's a huge fan of HxH can be so obsess with defending Bleach.
Good old days and how fast did the years past -
The saddest part it was not someone fresh who just came to complain, but someone who has been around since 2006, apparently.
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Ah yes Mr ToTo.
I never understood how could someone who's a huge fan of HxH can be so obsess with defending Bleach.
Good old days and how fast did the years pastBecause Bleach is much better than people give it credit for. At least from perspective of it being fusion of Kubos art and writing. Even as it was bad as work of fiction made to entertain it carried quite some weight and meaning in plenty of places. Kubo was being made fun of many times because of being misunderstood as artist, not writer or mangaka in general.
I would love to see New Anime but one condition would have to be met. Flashback war with Quincies as well as Yamamoto vs Juha Bach round 1 would have to be shown.
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It does feel like Kubo was drawing anime storyboards instead of manga chapters now that I think about it.
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Because Bleach is much better than people give it credit for. At least from perspective of it being fusion of Kubos art and writing. Even as it was bad as work of fiction made to entertain it carried quite some weight and meaning in plenty of places. Kubo was being made fun of many times because of being misunderstood as artist, not writer or mangaka in general.
I would love to see New Anime but one condition would have to be met. Flashback war with Quincies as well as Yamamoto vs Juha Bach round 1 would have to be shown.
Honestly the story was pretty bad less the first two arcs.
It's not "much better", people just give it credit where it was due.
I made my posts back in the days defending its art, creativity, stylistic choices and character designs.
But other than the aesthetics and the early years, there's really not much for people to praise it for.
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It was style over substance, basically. Which became more and more evident as the story progressed.
I'd love to follow another long series of his, provided he drew from past mistakes.
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Oh, God. That prick. I remember him spouting loads of bullshit before getting permabanned. Reminds me of this guy from a different forum site who was completely convinced Bleach was a masterpiece and the people trastalking it were uneducated swine.
What you said remind me of some figureheads in Bleach Forum at Onemanga back in the day.
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It still had interesting moments here and there, even in latter half when it progressively sucked. I did kinda enjoy most of the chapters. When they didn't make me pull my hair, I mean.
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The fact that each chapter could be read in 2 minutes made things even worse in my opinion. Haven't re-read the series, but maybe bulk reading would help a bit.
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The saddest part it was not someone fresh who just came to complain, but someone who has been around since 2006, apparently.
To be fair, after checking his post history, his earliest posts look like they were defending 4kids dubs. So, it's not like we couldn't say him posting bad opinions wasn't par for the course.
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Ain't a bit early to already give Burn the Witch an anime?
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Ain't a bit early to already give Burn the Witch an anime?
The serialization will be short term and Kubo already finished it
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It's gonna be a short series anyways.
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That answers it. Guess i’ll have to praise Kubo for planning ahead, weird to put those words together in the same phrase.
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Bleach ended in 2016. The one thing he had to do was plan ahead so he deserves no praise in my eyes.
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Hope they cast Kazuhiro Yamaji to voice Yamamoto.
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This is probably more Shueisha planning than Kubo himself.
