Chapter 947: Queen's Gamble
-
Another great freaking chapter! I didn't think Big Mom would get her memory back so quickly, but I'm satisfied and intrigued by a face to face meeting with her and Kaido. I'm also eager to learn more about how this new haki works and see Luffy's mastery of it in the next chapter.
-
As I read the chap I asked myself, what was Luffy's plan? Going in circles forever?
-
Truly amazing chapter. Now we understand what happened back with Rayleigh, it had nothing to do with speed, but the advanced forms of haki
So basically, there are three stages of the coa. Coating or imbueing, and then gouken, a sort of shield as it appears. And then this technique that grants you the ability to destroy stuff from the inside.
Granpa hyou only was aiming to teach this shield to luffy. And as he said, luffy already used a far advanced technique.
So he was just making pressure on him to do again without forgetting the feeling.
Queen was hilarious. He lives in the moment.
Kaido and mama are gonna meet, and rocks info ahead. Looking forward to that.
Mama is chained by 100 percent kairouski, why is queen worried.
Next we'll shift to law and sanji apparently.
Udon belongs to luffy now. -
What's wrong, Lucci? Why do you want to reset the world?
-
I like how after 947 chapters of just kind of knowing that One Piece gonna One Piece, barely anyone is calling foul on Big Mom just inexplicably falling asleep mid sentence. At least not here anyway. It would be pretty interesting if Oda ever gives some sort of explanation for the characters we've seen go through this. Not really necessary but I'd like it all the same.
As I said in the spoiler section I am digging these Haki explanations. Some of CP9's techniques have always seemed related and my head cannon is that Lucci's Ryokugun/what ever it's called is a form of what ever Luffy just learned. I'm sure there is some Japanese reader that could scout through some old volumes and find similar language between this "new" technique and what Lucci did.
I like Haki because it is clearly influenced by martial arts. I've witnessed and felt certain things that I know to be absolutely 100% real. I could always point to a real world example to every technique of Haki Oda has shown us so far aside from a giant force field and predicting ones movement. Then yesterday I was invited to this annual gathering of martial arts masters and sure enough one teacher was talking about projecting giant force fields. Nah lol, he was talking about predicting intent from an opponent even with eyes closed. Of course that dealt with being close and in physical contact to people instead of some psychic like awareness. Still it checked the box as far as I was concerned.
In real life chi/ki/ji/what ever can be used to harm things and the same energy can be applied to heal things. You know what I'm getting at. I know already some of you are mashing the reply button going "NO CHOPPER DOESN'T AND CAN'T HEAL WITH HAKI! HE'S A REAL DOCTOR! EVERYTHING ISN'T HAKI!" To that I say shut the eF up. A lot of real doctors on the eastern side of things heal with chi. Also it's not sticking your hand over someone's gash and magically sealing up the wound Eragon style. There has been no mention of anything of the sort when it comes to Haki in One Piece so I doubt Oda would apply it to Chopper's medical skills but I think it would be interesting.
Also praise Jesus once more for Stephen Paul's translations. What do you suppose Luffy meant by "I've always been free!"? Does he mean since he's been in the prison he knew it was only a matter of time before he was unchained or is he talking metaphorically? Pirate King most free person ever and all that jazz?
-
I like how after 947 chapters of just kind of knowing that One Piece gonna One Piece, barely anyone is calling foul on Big Mom just inexplicably falling asleep mid sentence. At least not here anyway. It would be pretty interesting if Oda ever gives some sort of explanation for the characters we've seen go through this. Not really necessary but I'd like it all the same.
As I said in the spoiler section I am digging these Haki explanations. Some of CP9's techniques have always seemed related and my head cannon is that Lucci's Ryokugun/what ever it's called is a form of what ever Luffy just learned. I'm sure there is some Japanese reader that could scout through some old volumes and find similar language between this "new" technique and what Lucci did.
I like Haki because it is clearly influenced by martial arts. I've witnessed and felt certain things that I know to be absolutely 100% real. I could always point to a real world example to every technique of Haki Oda has shown us so far aside from a giant force field and predicting ones movement. Then yesterday I was invited to this annual gathering of martial arts masters and sure enough one teacher was talking about projecting giant force fields. Nah lol, he was talking about predicting intent from an opponent even with eyes closed. Of course that dealt with being close and in physical contact to people instead of some psychic like awareness. Still it checked the box as far as I was concerned.
In real life chi/ki/ji/what ever can be used to harm things and the same energy can be applied to heal things. You know what I'm getting at. I know already some of you are mashing the reply button going "NO CHOPPER DOESN'T AND CAN'T HEAL WITH HAKI! HE'S A REAL DOCTOR! EVERYTHING ISN'T HAKI!" To that I say shut the eF up. A lot of real doctors on the eastern side of things heal with chi. Also it's not sticking your hand over someone's gash and magically sealing up the wound Eragon style. There has been no mention of anything of the sort when it comes to Haki in One Piece so I doubt Oda would apply it to Chopper's medical skills but I think it would be interesting.
I love stuff with Martial arts in it or even thing like One Piece that use martial arts as inspiration in there series
now I'm trying to think of some
History's strongest disciple Kenchi
Baki the grappler
The Breaker
holy land
Gamaran
Hajime No Ippohell I love that Avatar the last air bender takes tons of inspiration from all sorts of martial arts
and don't even get me started on Martial arts movies, good or bad, I love them (one of my biggest gripes with Netflix is that took out so many of there Martial arts movies)
EDIT: Oh yeah One Punch man too!!!
-
Great chapter.
The only real scenario I can see working with Big Mom now, is her waking up and breaking free as soon as she's near Kaido. Then they'll talk truce instead of wasting the effort fighting right now. If those restraints were actually gonna work, nothing Linlin knows or has should be worth enough for Kaido to not just kill her on sight.
I think we'll leave Luffy to off-panel taking over the jail now. We might see Hyo check on Kawamatsu or Raizo finding the keys, but otherwise not too much to do here right now. We'll probably go back to finishing up the chaos Zoro and co are stuck in now, and tease some more whatever Ashura wants to show Inu and co.
-
I gotta say, I really love stories that reach this point we're currently at, where there's so many balls in the air the story becomes impossible to predict just by virtue of there being so many different characters and factions that could step into the action. (Not to mention wildcard factors like Big Mom's memory returning!) I was strapping in for at least a full chapter of Luffy and Big Mom, but instead the prison guards rally and interrupt and cart her off to see Kaido. A meeting between those two was something I think everyone was anticipating, but I don't think anyone saw factors colliding to set it up so suddenly.
Luffy also doesn't seem to have fully conquered his fear of Big Mom yet, though its hard to tell if he's actually trying to get away or just dodging because he knows now he's not ready to stand up to a direct hit. What could the implications of this be if she comes back with Soul Pocus?
I liked the new haki lore. The new technique of using it of channeling it into something or someone else to destroy rather than protect is, as others have noted, strikingly similar to Lucci's Six King Pistol, which supports my headcanon that CP9 were all using at least a little haki when they fought the Strawhats. I'd love to see the Six Powers confirmed as at the very least as gateway training for haki. I know the Vivre Card databook specifies that the Cipher Pol guys learned during the timeskip but like, c'mooon. It makes too much sense. Also, if destructive haki can be imbued into another person, does that mean protective haki could be as well? Could Luffy put his arms around the crew and protect them all with his own haki? Could be the start of some really interesting combo techniques between the haki using and non-haki using members of the crew.
Grandpa Hyo seemingly dying then jumping away from the next attack is one my favourite gags in a while, and his neck stretching as Luffy pulls him out of the wall on the previous page is pretty great as well.
Y'all mark my words, the dude in the iron-works who reacts to the guards talking about the Smail disappearing is gonna be important. One of the old Yakuza bosses maybe? I think he'll be the face of the prisoners after Luffy rallies them into an army.
Queen is back on his feet rather quickly, and it's something I like seeing in contrast to this idea so much of the fanbase (especially over on Reddit) seems to have about how wins and losses are absolute and quantifiable and a measure of a character's worth. These days its rare for a fight to turn into an all-out slugfest that leaves at least one person totally unable to stand at the end of it. The story has become too complex, with too many factors, different objectives and logistical concerns, and the combatants too strong, for that to happen often. We get smaller clashes that buy ground in a larger set piece or where one fighter gets knocked down just long enough for the other to move on with their own objective. It makes sense; there's a lot more at stake now than giving an absolute beatdown to one guy for the sake of pride. It plays into the understanding that One Piece has adopted the heart and soul of a high fantasy epic within its shonen exterior - the macro-level conflict has come to the forefront, and it's the war that's important more than the battles. Maybe we could have spent a whole chapter or two on Big Mom and Queen fighting to establish completely where the strength difference is to 0.5 of a standard powerlevel and count off on our fingers how many attacks it takes for Queen to stay down permanently, but that kind of thing just isn't really important anymore to the kind of story One Piece has become.
What's with the bit with Momo and Tama and the gate closing? Am I reading it right that they decided to go in before they were sealed out?
I'm sure there's embittered comments somewhere about Queen's negligence taking so many of his top guys to transport Big Mom before Luffy was dealt with (love that his boars all wear the same goggles though) but I think it makes sense from his perspective. Even with how far Luffy's come, Big Mom is by far the worse threat, and it would be a far, far worse choice to take any chances whatsoever with her captivity. Also, his use of seastone begs the question of why Tottoland doesn't keep some on hand to at least slow her during hunger pang attacks. Is it because they don't think they could approach with it without having their souls taken?
Final pace is a classic Luffy moment. I love it. The talk of Udon being his echoes earlier talk that the whole area was cut off from the rest of Wano. I'd thought that meant just the prison though. Is there nothing else in this province except the mines? Regardless, Luffy's right that things won't be quite as exciting without Big Mom or Queen to fight, so I'd say it's pretty likely we'll be cutting away, either to the capitol or to Big Mom's arrival at Onigashima, next week, with the bulk of Luffy's prison revolution being offscreen.
-
Y'all mark my words, the dude in the iron-works who reacts to the guards talking about the Smail disappearing is gonna be important. One of the old Yakuza bosses maybe? I think he'll be the face of the prisoners after Luffy rallies them into an army.
Since the dude match perfectly one of the silhouettes of chapter 940, a lot of people already made that assumption
Queen is back on his feet rather quickly,
Queen was already awake in last chapter, only pretending to be KO so it is not a surprise he is back on his feet as soon as the opportunity arrises.
-
Luffy after Wano:
-
I'm kind of confused as to why Oda would go the trouble of giving Big Mom a mini-redemption arc, showing us she IS indeed capable of kindness and generosity, only to snatch it away short before any payoff for the sake of the plot. The only purpose for her whole amnesia journey was just to cause chaos in the prison so Luffy could escape (something that could have been achieved with any other character(s)).. and now she's whisked off to Kaido with zero character progression.
The only way I see her character arc ending in a satisfying way is for her to get bonked on the head again during the end of the arc and go back to being innocent and nice. Otherwise, uh… -
@Miss:
I'm kind of confused as to why Oda would go the trouble of giving Big Mom a mini-redemption arc, showing us she IS indeed capable of kindness and generosity, only to snatch it away short before any payoff for the sake of the plot. The only purpose for her whole amnesia journey was just to cause chaos in the prison so Luffy could escape (something that could have been achieved with any other character(s)).. and now she's whisked off to Kaido with zero character progression.
The only way I see her character arc ending in a satisfying way is for her to get bonked on the head again during the end of the arc and go back to being innocent and nice. Otherwise, uh…Well she does remember everything thats happened while her memory was out. The arc is only in the later half of the second act. It's not as is she's sailed off crew and all until next time.
-
That's where Oda creativity trumps ours.
-
@Miss:
I'm kind of confused as to why Oda would go the trouble of giving Big Mom a mini-redemption arc, showing us she IS indeed capable of kindness and generosity, only to snatch it away short before any payoff for the sake of the plot.
That's basically the first third of Death Note.
-
Implying that Big Mom wasn't generous in her normal state. Her entire Kingdom is based on sharing and eating food - if you are with and not against her, that is.
Her base personality didn't change at all, she just has 50+ years of being a tough yonkou bitch on her shoulders now.
-
That's basically the first third of Death Note.
wait its been years since i read that. How so?
-
wait its been years since i read that. How so?
There was this part where Light purposely loses his memory and actually becomes a good guy, except that he gambled he would gain his memory back as soon as he got the Death Note back.
Basically, it's what originated this.
-
Udon will be the new HQ for the alliance, once Luffy cleaned the place.
-
@Miss:
I'm kind of confused as to why Oda would go the trouble of giving Big Mom a mini-redemption arc, showing us she IS indeed capable of kindness and generosity, only to snatch it away short before any payoff for the sake of the plot. The only purpose for her whole amnesia journey was just to cause chaos in the prison so Luffy could escape (something that could have been achieved with any other character(s)).. and now she's whisked off to Kaido with zero character progression.
The only way I see her character arc ending in a satisfying way is for her to get bonked on the head again during the end of the arc and go back to being innocent and nice. Otherwise, uh…Achieving redemption solely via memory loss would be a pretty cheap way for her character to progress. If she's ultimately gonna make a turn, she should be able to understand what she did in the past.
And I'm not sure who else would be quite as capable of creating chaos in Udon without Queen posing a major threat to them, or who would stoke Queen enough to straight up abandon Luffy with a bunch of scrubs.
-
Implying that Big Mom wasn't generous in her normal state. Her entire Kingdom is based on sharing and eating food - if you are with and not against her, that is.
Her base personality didn't change at all, she just has 50+ years of being a tough yonkou bitch on her shoulders now.
Her personality when she recovered her memory didn't show one millimeter of kindness sor her base personality is really in a galaxy far far away
-
I think the point is that O-Lin is her self as it would have been if not spoiled and tainted by her life story. Linlin is what was made of that person.
The core of Linlin is the generosity shown by O-Lin and Totto Land is in theory the proof of that: a utopia where everyone can live as equal (her dream being literally everyone sharing food on a table standing at the same height and meeting eye to eye couldn't be more clear). Linlin had her nature distorted by her growth, but her personality is rooted on O-Lin.
-
Even Big Mom with amnesia still reveals the core issue, which is that even when she's doing something good, it's in a horribly misguided way. Wanting to crush/kill Luffy just because he ate some food, rather than at least talking it out first, is classic Big Mom.
-
@Miss:
I'm kind of confused as to why Oda would go the trouble of giving Big Mom a mini-redemption arc, showing us she IS indeed capable of kindness and generosity, only to snatch it away
I'm not sure at all that Big Mom is headed for redemption, or that she is in a character arc (yet). She may have gotten back some of the kindness of her childhood, but even amnesiac her quick temper and tendancy to violence are still around. She beats people, animals, and things half to death if they stand in her way, and the moment she got back to her old self she only expressed disdain towards (Leftover Town ?). Doesn't feel all that different from WCI Big Mom…
All in all, I would say the amnesy subplot was aimed solely at freeing Luffy and reuniting Big Mom with Kaido (which may or may not initiate the return of Rox, whatever they were). Oda may have more in store for her, but as long as he's not touching the Mother Carmel + orphans + giants matter I don't see any lasting character change on the horizon.
-
What access timeco said.
On top of that, what extraordinary kindness are people talking about when it comes to base O-Lin? The kindness of beating animals into submission? The kindness of killing those who keep her away from O-Shiruko? The kindness of killing those who ate the O-Shiruko?
The dirty village paid a tribute, and O-Lin wanted to return the favor. This is exactly what Big Mom, the Yonkou, does on a grand scale. Just with decades of experience when it comes to piracy.
-
This post is deleted!
-
@.access:
I think the point is that O-Lin is her self as it would have been if not spoiled and tainted by her life story. Linlin is what was made of that person.
The core of Linlin is the generosity shown by O-Lin and Totto Land is in theory the proof of that: a utopia where everyone can live as equal (her dream being literally everyone sharing food on a table standing at the same height and meeting eye to eye couldn't be more clear). Linlin had her nature distorted by her growth, but her personality is rooted on O-Lin.
I agree with this. O-Lin is a chance for READERS to understand Big Mom better, not to "change" Big Mom for the better. O-Lin is not fundamentally different from Big Mom, and Tottoland is the best proof of that as a place where food is literally free and shared by all.
-
If Big Mom gets redemmed or not its very important because that will decide her role in the Elbaf arc.
-
I don't think this is just a memory loss.
Big Mom fell in the ocean and then lost her memory. As a devil fruit user, she should have sunk and died, there's something wrong in all this.
Why did we get all that backstory on Mother Caramel? Why was the portrait of Caramel important? Why damaging it affected Big Mom?
Why were Big Mom's powers shut down completely during her flashback?
I think Big Mom is actually a gestalt of Caramel and the young Lilin, and Caramel is in control most of the time. Falling into the ocean shut down the DF powers, so Caramel went dormant (I wouldn't be surprised if her soul is in the portrait or in the hat).
I'm betting on all that soulstone bindings not stopping Big Mom's, because she's not a real DF user. Her things will still have power, and she will still be strong as hell.
Big Mom's final defeat may not be a physical one, but Caramel's soul being exorcized or destroyed, and an amnesiac, caring (but dangerous) young Lilin personality remaining, with her sons having to take care of her.
-
I don't think this is just a memory loss.
Big Mom fell in the ocean and then lost her memory. As a devil fruit user, she should have sunk and died, there's something wrong in all this.
Why did we get all that backstory on Mother Caramel? Why was the portrait of Caramel important? Why damaging it affected Big Mom?
Why were Big Mom's powers shut down completely during her flashback?
I think Big Mom is actually a gestalt of Caramel and the young Lilin, and Caramel is in control most of the time. Falling into the ocean shut down the DF powers, so Caramel went dormant (I wouldn't be surprised if her soul is in the portrait or in the hat).
I'm betting on all that soulstone bindings not stopping Big Mom's, because she's not a real DF user. Her things will still have power, and she will still be strong as hell.
Big Mom's final defeat may not be a physical one, but Caramel's soul being exorcized or destroyed, and an amnesiac, caring (but dangerous) young Lilin personality remaining, with her sons having to take care of her.
So why would getting submerged into the ocean have an effect on her Devil Fruit but not Seastone? They should have the same effect. And why would Carmel be incapacitated after Linlin made it to land - and return upon Linlin taking a blow to the head?
We got the backstory on Mother Carmel to give Big Mom's backstory and explain how she came to be the way she is. She's a mentally unstable and highly emotional woman; her experiences with Carmel gave her both the greatest and lowest points of her life. No real need for it to be more complicated than that.
-
Big Mom's final defeat may not be a physical one, but Caramel's soul being exorcized or destroyed, and an amnesiac, caring (but dangerous) young Lilin personality remaining, with her sons having to take care of her.
All you have to do in order to defeat Big Mom is to tell her the truth about Carmel. That's it. No need for a soul-parasite in her body, just the simple truth that she's been living a lie.
And currently there is only one relevant person I can think of…
1. ....who potentially knows what happened at the orphanage (thanks to the random giant peeping and spreading the info in Elbaf).
2. ....who potentially knows about Carmel's true colors.
3. ....who knows and used to care about Lin Lin, at least to some degree.And what a magical coincidence, she is also part of Luffy's Grand Fleet. A Grand Fleet who likely saw the news about Luffy being in Wano, the Grand Fleet who will likely join the Alliance at the end of the arc.
Gerth, Big Mom's old childhood friend, just needs to meet her at some point to get a conversation going.
-
@Kaido:
So why would getting submerged into the ocean have an effect on her Devil Fruit but not Seastone? They should have the same effect. And why would Carmel be incapacitated after Linlin made it to land - and return upon Linlin taking a blow to the head?
My theories are that Caramel's soul are either in the portrait or in her hat. Or both, maybe. She may reside in the portrait, but the hat is how she controls Lilin. Whatever the case, Chopper noted that the hat didn't awaken the whole time Lilin was amnesiac.
My guess: the hat fell into the ocean. It can't drown, but it was "shut down" for a while, leaving Lilin free.
What made her recover the memories? A hit to the head… or a hit to the hat?
So, now they imprisoned Lilin and bound her to seastone. But the hat is not bound. It's free to use its powers.
We got the backstory on Mother Carmel to give Big Mom's backstory and explain how she came to be the way she is. She's a mentally unstable and highly emotional woman; her experiences with Carmel gave her both the greatest and lowest points of her life. No real need for it to be more complicated than that.
I bet there's more than just that. This amnesia is not just a random reason for Lilin to help save Luffy then be captured. It's telling us something.
Big Mom's past is still shrouded in mystery. We never really saw her eating Caramel. Plus, Caramel's power (apparently inherited by Lilin) is all about souls. If a DF could pull stuff like placing your soul in an object and then controlling someone else's soul, it's a fruit like that.
All you have to do in order to defeat Big Mom is to tell her the truth about Carmel. That's it. No need for a soul-parasite in her body, just the simple truth that she's been living a lie.
And currently there is only one relevant person I can think of…
1. ....who potentially knows what happened at the orphanage (thanks to the random giant peeping and spreading the info in Elbaf).
2. ....who potentially knows about Carmel's true colors.
3. ....who knows and used to care about Lin Lin, at least to some degree.And what a magical coincidence, she is also part of Luffy's Grand Fleet. A Grand Fleet who likely saw the news about Luffy being in Wano, the Grand Fleet who will likely join the Alliance at the end of the arc.
Gerth, Big Mom's old childhood friend, just needs to meet her at some point to get a conversation going.
THat's a great insight, I totally forgot about her. Someone is bound to tell the Strawhats how to defeat Lilin, and she could be the one to do so. Nice thinking there!
-
Big Mom is in a small group of villain characters for me that I'm never able to step away and call them awesome characters (which she certainly is). Instead, I just really, really hate her. All my investment in her parts in the story from her on is anticipation to finally see her get the beat down she so thoroughly deserves. On the grand scheme of One Piece characters, you've got any average Celestial Dragon at the top, then Orochi, and Big Mom right after that for top 3 "How badly I want to see them punched out" characters. Certainly haven't seen enough to think Kaido's worse than her yet. Therefore, I'd actually be incredibly disappointed if Big Mom simply gets broken by just having the details of Caramel and the kids revealed to her. It can happen, but let her get beat to crap first.
Technically, what I really want to see is Big Mom so badly beaten, bruised, weakened and crippled that she's forced to retire (or just die) and give most of the power of the crew to Katakuri or Perospero, but I'm not that delusional to think that'll actually happen.
She's certainly not as bad as some other characters I can't help but hate, but still would have a hard time tolerating her just getting away scot-free.
-
I don't think this is just a memory loss.
Big Mom fell in the ocean and then lost her memory. As a devil fruit user, she should have sunk and died, there's something wrong in all this.
Why did we get all that backstory on Mother Caramel? Why was the portrait of Caramel important? Why damaging it affected Big Mom?
Why were Big Mom's powers shut down completely during her flashback?
I think Big Mom is actually a gestalt of Caramel and the young Lilin, and Caramel is in control most of the time. Falling into the ocean shut down the DF powers, so Caramel went dormant (I wouldn't be surprised if her soul is in the portrait or in the hat).
I'm betting on all that soulstone bindings not stopping Big Mom's, because she's not a real DF user. Her things will still have power, and she will still be strong as hell.
Big Mom's final defeat may not be a physical one, but Caramel's soul being exorcized or destroyed, and an amnesiac, caring (but dangerous) young Lilin personality remaining, with her sons having to take care of her.
I agree with you, I feel that Big Mom having dual personalities and suddenly falling asleep actually have been foreshadowed in the story before…. in the form of Cavendish and Hakuba. When Habuka tries to take over the main body but Cavendish is trying to prevent him from doing so and locked in a stalemate, he falls asleep, and vice versa.
Cant help but feel this is too similar with what Big Mom and O-Lin is facing - Queen's attack on the head allowed Big Mom (Hakuba) to surface temporarily, but O-Lin (Cavendish) is still sort of conscious and trying to prevent Big Mom from completely taking over - and thus the inner fight causes the main body to fall asleep.
-
If Carmel has some control, why become a pirate? I can see the whole gestalt possibility, but disagree because there are conflicts with that.
Also, throughout this whole story, I can't name 3 characters with DF abilities that died to drowning. Not saying it's impossible to die, just that every DF user that almost drowned, have conveniently survived.
Back to the Carmel/gestalt conflict. We know what Carmel liked to do. She liked to finesse things to get her own way. Linlin has shown these characteristics and this is why I say that I can see why the gestalt is possible to some. Now why I disagree is because it conflicts with the Giant and Streusen's reaction and other things too much compared to the pros of the situation.
Pros
- Carmel said that it was the final deal to Cipher Pol, so that means she possibly knew this would happen.
- Carmel's ways is similar to how BM is today
- Linlin's dream to Streusen was said to be make a country that was peaceful and would make Carmel happy. This can be interpreted as Carmel's manipulation or Linlin continuing on a path that was influenced by Carmel, but is of her own.
Cons
- Streusen's comments. "She'd die if I leave her alone" and "she's a monster". I don't think that he would say this, unless he witnessed an atrocity.
- The Giants of Elbaf got word on what happened from that 1 Giant witness. If Carmel did something, I doubt Elbaf would want anything to do with her, but because it was a child they forgave her enough to almost let Loki and Lola get married and be a possible ally.
- BM was a kid when Carmel disappeared and that picture is the last memento of the event. It makes perfect sense that BM would have that kind of reaction when it breaks.
- Hakuba and Cavendish are aware of each other. Even had an argument. BM still thinks Carmel is gone.
- The panel before BM fully regains her memories look like her kids are finally getting through to Napoleon. I don't think it's a memory. The captions look like Napoleon is finally functioning and they're calling her.
-
This post is deleted!
-
Before head clonking number two i had high hopes for it.
But now it just seems to be a lazy way to remove BM from the equation.
I don't have very high hopes for a revival of my Caramel theory.
-
fist of the flowing machina: crushing collars
-
Oh yeah, speaking of fists, am I seeing wrong or does Queen's brachio form have its 2 front legs (his arms) intact ? Drawing inconsistency, or will the machine fist turn out to be something else ?
-
Somehow the Carmel possessing Linlin theory still lives, but the thing that keeps bothering me is people calling her Caramel
-
@.access:
Somehow the Carmel possessing Linlin theory still lives, but the thing that keeps bothering me is people calling her Caramel
I just assumed that she had a food name.
Seems like an odd choice to go with carmel
-
It's because of the carmelite nuns.
-
Dunno about that. It could be an inspiration but personally i'll just lean toward the more obvious food name theme. If even Streusen gets a food pun name then i'm just gonna assume intent toward caramel rather than the nunnery. But hey watch me get proven wrong when Oda comes out and claims to have been boning up on his catholicism
-
Interesting, I never really thought about it much but I also didn't know about the Carmelites. I thought it was something like how we say the "caramel" in "caramel apple" phonetically as "carmel (carmull?)."
So I went to the source, that being the Japanese spelling of her name, and it is spelled the same as Mt. Carmel and the Carmelites, not caramel the food in Japanese. Doesn't matter much to me, I'm still going to say it like the "carmel apple."
-
Yes, her name in japanese is caRUmeru, while the food is caRAmeru (which happens to be the name of Pudding's café). Even if her name is not romanized as Carmel, she is definitely not named after caramel (although I can perfectly see Oda picking a nun-related word that would also make you think of a candy because of the arc theme).