@K.:
So let's restart, because we are obviously not getting our points across. To clarify, a lot of my answers are not what I believe, or what I have thought about, theorized, etc. I am just telling you what has already been discussed over and over again in this and past threads.
My stance has always been: Wano will not present a new crew member. I may have thrown a quick joke prediction here and there. Regardless, my statement still stands.
The cabin boy argument for Momo was not given because of his actions in the manga. It comes directly as a response to: "if Momo joins, what would his role be". To which some members replied: cabin boy. The desires to go to sea, from what I understood, were along the lines of following his father's footsteps and traveling with the pirate king like Oden once did. If you want to add that Momo has an older sister better suited for ruling given their age gap. Momo MIGHT not need to stay in Wano, or viceversa.
Now to clarify, Momo's desire to travel like his father did does not need to happen with Luffy and the crew. Momo, his retainers and the Minks can form a different faction to do so.
Ace is dead. Her desire to go to him, no matter how deep, will NEVER be fulfilled. But, what a coincidence, she is saved again by a pirate, that happens to be Ace's brother. And Luffy already reminds her of Ace even without her knowing they are related. And she cares for Luffy and what Luffy has done to help her, for her to selfishly and honorably attempt to aid in his escape instead of sitting on her ass, waiting. It is not about Ace anymore, she is thinking about Luffy. In other words: Tama is right now, in the equivalent of Carrot stowing away on the Sunny before WCI.
We are still in the part where she is going to help. We haven't seen what she will do to help. Be it to use her kibidango against Smile users, or whatever else Oda may have in store.
It does not, which tends to mean, it is not to be taken as canon.
And I was asking, when did this happen? What episode/arc. I was at work, so I couldn't be more specific about it.
I was saying that I find both of their dreams to be vague.
That's okay. Me neither. The point was that even without doing so, we both can talk about what other people express as their candidates. And criticize, agree/disagree with those points without having an investment in the argument. To me, someone that believes we have not met the new crew member yet, see both Carrot and Tama in the same plane for candidacy. You disagree, and that is fine! It does not mean what you say is a joke, nor what I say is a joke. As I showed with Carrot = Tama points above, to me, it is the same.
I disagree. Luffy and Tama are both clearly invested in each other. Luffy exposed himself to save Tama, something that I am sure he would do for Carrot too. In the short amount of time Tama has been with Luffy, she already gave him her only food forcing her to drink poisonous water. Luffy has saved her three times. Luffy HAS made a promise to her that she will be able to eat a lot more food once Wano is over. Just because the relationship is in development does not mean it will not be there, or that it is not. If you want to compare Luffy and Carrot relationship in their first 30 chapters, there is nothing. That is not even taking into consideration that Luffy knows what Ace promised Tama, and that Tama now knows Ace is dead, "freeing" her from their promise and allowing her to develop new promises.
What Carrot went through WCI, Tama will now do so in Wano.
Tama does not need to show she is a lookout. For all Luffy cares about, she could just be the ninja of the crew.
Tama has already shown many emotional moments with Luffy including wearing his treasure (straw hat). She is now falling into a prison break antics by following Chopper, so there is plenty of room for her to show their chemistry.
That is fine, I think the same about Carrot. Because, to me all her story beats are for her to become a leading figure. I mean, not for anything she was shown in the current Wano map alongside Dog, while Wanda and all her seniors, were grouped together.
I don't see anything that confirms that Wano will end with a new SH yet. I don't see anything to confirm that there won't be either.
As far as Momo wanting to be like his father, I get that, but going out to sea hasn't been emphasized or hinted at in the story imo. Most of his story has been to step up as a leader and avenge his dad. Haven't really seen the go out to sea part much.
What is interesting is that based on what you have said, Momo and Tama could be their own group. As Tenguyama yells at Tama, she promises that she could protect him. Not only are they around the same age, they are both trying to be great in leadership and being reliable respectively. Wouldn't it make more sense if Momo went out, it would be interesting if Tama came with him, than with the SH crew.
This is another point that we will continue to disagree. Carrot is more connected to the SH crew than Tama is. Tama's development, not being shown yet, adds to her case not being strong as Carrots'.
I see Tama's dream as more clear than Carrots'.
In Carrot's first 30 chapters, she left Zou, showed that she was just as charismatic as the crew in multiple ways (selfish as Luffy, protective, simple minded at times, childish, sheltered as Luffy and Chopper), clashed with Zoro (this doesn't matter really, but it was a big way to be introduced in the story), almost killed Luffy, etc. Tama's interactions are limited to mostly Luffy and Chopper. Basically almost no antics or emotion with Chopper as Carrot had. Where's the starry eyed antics, the selfishness, her charisma, gimmick, Tama is 3 chapters away from being 30 chapters deep with any SH. Carrot's first 30 chapter moments and multiple antics with many of the SH crew just decimates Tama's first 27.
The only thing i'd put Tama over Carrot is in dream. Even that goes along with being part of something for Momo.