Robin's surprise face was absolutely priceless. You'd think her of all people would be able to control her reactions better, but man, I'll never get that image out of my head, LOL.
Chapter 924 : Ha*
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Hey, I just realized something: In the cover page, isn't Sentomaru's masakari usually double-edged?
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I see a King Kong Organ coming in the final fight.
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Oda already fucked up Rogers name, so literally everything is possible…
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@S.C.:
Hey, I just realized something: In the cover page, isn't Sentomaru's masakari usually double-edged?
I believe it's because Oda wanted to keep the Woodsman theme. It's more efficient using a single-edged axe to cut a tree.
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IMO prisoner guy is someone Luffy recognized. Looking at the panels, he couldn't care less about what the guards are saying but someone caught his attention ("…..") and he then glares in the direction of the cage
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IMO prisoner guy is someone Luffy recognized. Looking at the panels, he couldn't care less about what the guards are saying but someone caught his attention ("…..") and he then glares in the direction of the cage
Doesn't need to be a familiar face. Luffy tends to get interested in strong people (which he can identify with CoO).
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While I do doubt it's Moriah, if he's been living off nothing but fish, he's had to lose some weight, and get back that ambition and willpower, too.
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He's glaring at fish-throat, who even threatens him for exactly that reason before getting a fish in his throat the hard way.
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If he reveals to be a dragon who ate a devil fruit that turned him into human, then he shouldn't have it..
My understanding is that only humans can be born with conqueror hakiTo my knowledge CoC has never been said to only be in humans. I know that Oversized humans like WB and BM are technically still humans but I feel like any race and living thing has the chance. So we could see Fishmen with CoC or Giants or Minks or Dwarves. OR A DRAGON!!!
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I thought it was just Water instead of Waterloo.
Yup, Trafalgar D. Water Law. I was just trying to get the curve to Hanswurst Kid. ;)
Why do people think the prisoner is bald? I thought he was wearing a hat.
He could be wearing a bamboo hat like the one law has worn until he ran into Hawkins. The fact that the lips come outta the hat while spitting could be for comedic reasons.
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You know who would be cool in that Cage? Scopper Gaban!
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Okay, chapter comparisons!
- The official translation name of the chapter is "Huh", clearly referencing the moment where Franky, Robin, and Usopp read the paper and react like this. While Jaimini's Box noted that this was likely the case, both they and Mangastream also noted that it could be a reference to "Jo-Ha-Kyu". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo-ha-ky%C5%AB
- MS refers to Kaido's club as a "kanabo" in the translation, leaving it like that while including a TN that it's a spiked metal club normally carried by demons in Japanese mythology. JB and VIZ forego that explanation and just translate it to "club".
- When told that Luffy is still breathing, Kaido says "Of course he is" in JB, as opposed to "I thought so"/"As I figured" in MS/VIZ, though that's a pretty small difference. Also, when Law is planning to flee with Luffy, he says "In that condition", his only option is to grab Luffy and run, like he's commenting on the condition Luffy's in after the fight, but in MS and VIZ, after noting that he'll have to drag him away, he thinks "I should have enough stamina" to do so, commenting on his own condition and the nature of his Devil Fruit.
- In both scanlations, Hawkins says "Stop right there, Trafalgar!" after shooting Law with the nail, but in the official version, says "Don't do it, Trafalgar!"
- Later, when Hawkins' men are commenting that Law escaped, in MS, Hawkins says "We will catch up to you. You're not getting away." in MS; in JB, he says "I will definitely find them. I won't let them escape from me." In VIZ, his wording there is "But I will track him down. He shall not escape." The difference in wording may not really matter, but the slight differences can imply different things.
- MS has Tsuru saying to Gorobei that he shouldn't feel responsible for the town being attacked, and calls him a kind soul, but in JB and VIZ, she's talking about Luffy(taro) when she says these things.
- Shinobu's Devil Fruit/jutsu is called the "Juku-Juku Voluptuous Jutsu" in MS, the "Mature-Mature Bewitchment Jutsu" in JB, and "Ripe-Ripe Enticement Jutsu" in VIZ.
- Luffy's and Kid's words about Kaido in MS are "Rue this day" in MS, "You'll pay for this" in JB, and "I'll get you" in VIZ.
- To answer the above question, VIZ spells it "Kid", with one "d".
What did Kaido say about Coc Haki?
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The man in the cage is either Absalom or Kuzan, i tell you :))
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Yup, Trafalgar D. Water Law. I was just trying to get the curve to Hanswurst Kid. ;)
He could be wearing a bamboo hat like the one law has worn until he ran into Hawkins. The fact that the lips come outta the hat while spitting could be for comedic reasons.
I get Razh: These two silhouettes really look similar, but the angle and Panel layout leave a lot of room for speculation, so I wouldn't bet on it.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
You know who would be cool in that Cage? Scopper Gaban!
Yeah I wouldn't bet on it either.
Not with something serious, anyway.
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If he reveals to be a dragon who ate a devil fruit that turned him into human, then he shouldn't have it..
My understanding is that only humans can be born with conqueror hakiIf fishmen and Minks can have haki, I don't see why any other sentient race couldn't have haki.
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IMO prisoner guy is someone Luffy recognized. Looking at the panels, he couldn't care less about what the guards are saying but someone caught his attention ("…..") and he then glares in the direction of the cage
The guard explicitly says that Luffy is glaring at them. And his head is turned towards the guard.
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If fishmen and Minks can have haki, I don't see why any other sentient race couldn't have haki.
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The guard explicitly says that Luffy is glaring at them. And his head is turned towards the guard.
https://s9.mkklcdnv2.com/mangakakalot/r1/read_one_piece_manga_online_free4/chapter_924_ha/14.jpg
I think that is exactly what Oda wanted to transmit, that Luffy either recognises the person or that it peeks his interest in him (probably sensing his aura/spirit/will whatever). I can't see why Oda would make that panel just for Luffy to glare at a guard, it's a waste of page imo. The guard thinks Luffy is looking at him but it is because the prison cell is right behind the guard, that is all.
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thats just what the guard thinks/assumes, its pretty clear in that page that Luffy is looking towards Bone Spitter.
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thats just what the guard thinks/assumes, its pretty clear in that page that Luffy is looking towards Bone Spitter.
I agree. Whether that is because Luffy recognised him or simply saw the attack coming, that we'll see later.
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I think that is exactly what Oda wanted to transmit, that Luffy either recognises the person or that it peeks his interest in him (probably sensing his aura/spirit/will whatever). I can't see why Oda would make that panel just for Luffy to glare at a guard, it's a waste of page imo. The guard thinks Luffy is looking at him but it is because the prison cell is right behind the guard, that is all.
thats just what the guard thinks/assumes, its pretty clear in that page that Luffy is looking towards Bone Spitter.
I agree. Whether that is because Luffy recognised him or simply saw the attack coming, that we'll see later.
Why would he glare at the prisoner? He might look at him, but there are very few people in the series that Luffy would glare at on the spot, and none of them have any business being in that cage. Considering the chapter ends with Luffy screaming in impotent rage at Kaido, it makes sense that he would be glaring defiantly at Kaido's men.
EDIT: the sound effect even says "glare"
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Because he doesn't see him and he sense his presence. Anyway, each to his own interpretation. I just don't see why Oda would bother with creating those panels if Luffy isn't looking toward the dark cell.
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the bone projectile person is from mink tribe..I say it first!
thats why jack can reach zou using the vivre card obtained from that mink person in kaido jail -
the bone projectile person is from mink tribe..I say it first!
thats why jack can reach zou using the vivre card obtained from that mink person in kaido jailI said that too a couple of pages ago that it is the traitor mink who they tortured to obtain whereabouts of Zou. Glad to see someone that got the same feeling ;)
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Because he doesn't see him and he sense his presence.
But why would he glare the moment he felt this person's presence? That person immediately helped him, so I don't see what Luffy would be angry about.
I just don't see why Oda would bother with creating those panels if Luffy isn't looking toward the dark cell.
Its to show Luffy's defiant spirit. Luffy is currently being put into a prison to torture him into servitude. It would be weird for Luffy to meekly let himself be put in a cage and only let out an angry shout once he's there. Luffy is fuming this entire time at kaido and it culminates in the shout at the end of the chapter. Luffy absolutely would be throwing death glares at Kaido's men at this point. He thinks half his crew might be dead. He would not be throwing death glares at a random person who is also a victim of Kaido. That just doesn't make sense.
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No one said anything about "death glare", it's just how Oda wanted to say the he looks intensely in a specific direction. At least that is how i interpret the whole scene.
On another note, do you think all three Calamities are in Wano? I expect at least one more to be there in charge of the factories and mostlikely Zorro will run into him (he needs his own Cracker imo).
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I'm betting more on Zoro meeting one of 2 remaining samurai and getting into Shusui-related trouble.
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On another note, do you think all three Calamities are in Wano? I expect at least one more to be there in charge of the factories and mostlikely Zorro will run into him (he needs his own Cracker imo).
This arc will end with Kaido's defeat, so there's no point in one of his Calamities not being here. Unless you mean if they're literally all in Wano, and not on Kaido's private island or whatever. If that's the case, then I suppose it's possible. Right now I've been assuming that like Jack, the other two Calamities each control their own region. So they're probably in their respective regions. That said, seeing as we have the fire festival to look forward to, they'll likely head over there at some point.
Right now we see that Luffy is in Udon, so I wonder who's in charge of all of that.
I said that too a couple of pages ago that it is the traitor mink who they tortured to obtain whereabouts of Zou. Glad to see someone that got the same feeling ;)
Do Minks even have a way to find Zou that doesn't involve a Vivre Card?
Anyways, my issue with the traitor being in Wano all this time is that it wouldn't explain why the Beast Pirates specifically knew that Raizo was there. They didn't ask for any other samurai, just him.
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Do Minks even have a way to find Zou that doesn't involve a Vivre Card?
Anyways, my issue with the traitor being in Wano all this time is that it wouldn't explain why the Beast Pirates specifically knew that Raizo was there. They didn't ask for any other samurai, just him.
Well, after Oden's fall, Orochi probably sought out all his retainers, including Kinemon&co and didn't find them. After they reappeared 20y later, they were chased by Kaidou's forces on their way to Zou (don't know how they managed to get there) and probably a henchmen saw Raizou and reported to Kaidou who reported to Orochi who identified him as Raizou.
About the Calamities, was wondering if all 3 were now in Wano (as Jack was supposed to be somewhere else for ex). I predict one Calamity to be in charge of Udon and someone that has been discovered so far will run into him when trying to free Luffy.
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No one said anything about "death glare",
The sound effect says "glare" and Luffy looks super pissed. That's close enough to a death glare. It's not him just looking over at the cage with interest.
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Well, after Oden's fall, Orochi probably sought out all his retainers, including Kinemon&co and didn't find them. After they reappeared 20y later, they were chased by Kaidou's forces on their way to Zou (don't know how they managed to get there) and probably a henchmen saw Raizou and reported to Kaidou who reported to Orochi who identified him as Raizou.
About the Calamities, was wondering if all 3 were now in Wano (as Jack was supposed to be somewhere else for ex). I predict one Calamity to be in charge of Udon and someone that has been discovered so far will run into him when trying to free Luffy.
I don't think kaido n orochi aware of return of kinemon n da gang.. aren't they?
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I said that too a couple of pages ago that it is the traitor mink who they tortured to obtain whereabouts of Zou. Glad to see someone that got the same feeling ;)
damnn..u got it first
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I don't think kaido n orochi aware of return of kinemon n da gang.. aren't they?
Nope, don't think so… I think Kaidou's henchmen only saw Raizou and Orochi identified him and sent Jack for actual proof (considering the prophecy and all). They probably still think he is dead since Jack didn't found him on Zou.
Otherwise, i don't see how and why Jack would ask for Raizou specifically and would go to such length to get him.
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Still feels wierd how luffy goes after kaidou and fight him, Leaves and finds tama, returns for their battle, luffy defeated and captured, yet sunny team that was attacked before all that did nothing in all that time, sanji just jumped out of the hole just now. Oda didn't manage to make that fit.
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@Kaido:
When ?
Come on, whose name is Gol D.^^
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@uniaka:
Still feels wierd how luffy goes after kaidou and fight him, Leaves and finds tama, returns for their battle, luffy defeated and captured, yet sunny team that was attacked before all that did nothing in all that time, sanji just jumped out of the hole just now. Oda didn't manage to make that fit.
You wanted Sanji and company to jump out of that whole immediately after the dragon attacked? So that the dragon spits them and kills them?
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@uniaka:
Still feels wierd how luffy goes after kaidou and fight him, Leaves and finds tama, returns for their battle, luffy defeated and captured, yet sunny team that was attacked before all that did nothing in all that time, sanji just jumped out of the hole just now. Oda didn't manage to make that fit.
Luffy didn‘t find Tama, only Speed, who most likely was brought there by Kaidou. Also it made sense, that only Law followed Luffy. So what should Sanji or any other have done but getting out of that hole and wait?
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@uniaka:
Still feels wierd how luffy goes after kaidou and fight him, Leaves and finds tama, returns for their battle, luffy defeated and captured, yet sunny team that was attacked before all that did nothing in all that time, sanji just jumped out of the hole just now. Oda didn't manage to make that fit.
the fight between kaido and luffy considerably very fast and short that sanji and co didn't aware of such fight is happening.
whats more interesting is how they will react once they know of luffy got captured by kaido.. especially zoro as luffy's right hand man
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this bone spitter prisoner, i think the person is actually putting his hand behind his head during spitting the bone.. mean that its not a hat or square head, but his hand instead.
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Come on, whose name is Gol D.^^
That was in-universe and had nothing to do with translation
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Well, after Oden's fall, Orochi probably sought out all his retainers, including Kinemon&co and didn't find them. After they reappeared 20y later, they were chased by Kaidou's forces on their way to Zou (don't know how they managed to get there) and probably a henchmen saw Raizou and reported to Kaidou who reported to Orochi who identified him as Raizou.
The samurai got separated at sea naturally due to their lack of navigational skills, so I don't see it being something so anti-climatic as what you're suggesting. Also someone spotting them on the way to Zou (which like you pointed out, we don't even know how he managed to get there) is not the same as them definitively knowing that Raizo is on Zou. And it wouldn't really make sense for the Beast Pirates to take the time to go back and check with Orochi or anyone else, when the sensible thing to do would be to continue following him instead of worrying about who it is. Since Raizou made it safely to Zou, it's safe to assume that they lost track of him at some point.
Lastly, they got chased to begin with because it is forbidden for anyone to leave Wano, not because they were identified as being the "ghosts" from 20 years ago that Orochi is paranoid about.
About the Calamities, was wondering if all 3 were now in Wano (as Jack was supposed to be somewhere else for ex). I predict one Calamity to be in charge of Udon and someone that has been discovered so far will run into him when trying to free Luffy.
Where was Jack supposed to be? His ship and crew got wiped out, it makes sense that he'd go back to Wano for the time being.
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I'm not saying they knew who Raizou is, but why would Jack request the minks to hand Raizou over and go to such length?
My scenario was that after they left Wano (and as you said, they were discovered but not identified) some Kaido men went after them and managed to get to Zou somehow and only saw Raizou trying to get to the top. They reported back and the description of the culprit matched Orochi's memory of how Raizou looked like and sent Jack back to Zou (don't know how he managed to get there, only if by vivre card/mink traitor).
Orochi probably dismissed the possibility that the culprit was Raizou after Jack's return and knowing what happend. Else, i can't make any connection to why Kaidou's men reached Zou and destroyed most of it just searching form a big head ninja. If you have a different theory be my guest, maybe we can put it together and get a better scenario :D
Yeah, the part with Jack being away was wrong, that is how i remebered from reading the chapters.
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Question: The seastone nail bullets Kaido's crew uses, what is the purpose of them other than to provide a minor momentary nuisance to DF users? The second you pull them out, you can use your ability again so unless it's to keep someone specifically like Law from teleporting out of there for a few seconds, it shouldn't really be useful enough to expend the effort gathering the materials and forging them. Unless they're made to specifically be like a bee sting where you pull out the top part of it but the tip still sticks below the dermis (and I don't remember the translation I read mentioning that) or they somehow leave mineral traces in the blood of whomever they hit (which doesn't make sense if the substance is supposed to be unbreakable), it's weird that they use those.
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I'm not saying they knew who Raizou is, but why would Jack request the minks to hand Raizou over and go to such length?
Well the common consensus is that someone on Zou when Raizou arrived told the Beast Pirates about it.
Because them having a Vivre Card or w/e to find Zou is one thing. But they shouldn't specifically know which samurai is here, as well as being so adamant that he is absolutely there.
My scenario was that after they left Wano (and as you said, they were discovered but not identified) some Kaido men went after them and managed to get to Zou somehow and only saw Raizou trying to get to the top. They reported back and the description of the culprit matched Orochi's memory of how Raizou looked like and sent Jack back to Zou (don't know how he managed to get there, only if by vivre card/mink traitor).
From what I've seen of the Beast Pirates, they only leave you alone when something more urgent occurs. The notion that they wouldn't just simply follow Raizo, instead choosing to go all the way back to Wano first, makes no sense to me. They're already chasing him, so why would they stop now? If it was at least a scenario where they got chased out by the Minks, that would a lot more sense as to why they would retreat. But that didn't happen. Also this theory of them having spotted Raizo going up Zunisha kind of undercuts Oda clearly hinting through Inuarashi that they were only able to find Zou due to having a Vivre Card.
Orochi probably dismissed the possibility that the culprit was Raizou after Jack's return and knowing what happend. Else, i can't make any connection to why Kaidou's men reached Zou and destroyed most of it just searching form a big head ninja. If you have a different theory be my guest, maybe we can put it together and get a better scenario :D
I don't have anything fancy, just what I already said: The traitor is someone who was actually at Zou during that time. It's the easiest way of explaining why the Beast Pirates were able to find Zou (they have the traitor's Vivre Card), as well as how they knew to specifically look for Raizo and no one else. Because the traitor told them that Raizo was here. There might be some nuance in there in that it's possible that they were an unwitting accomplice, blackmailed, etc., but the gist of what I'm going with is that the traitor was at Zou.
The idea of the Beast Pirates going back to report someone, with Orochi or whoever then managing to easily confirm that this is Raizou, and then after that uses the mystery prisoner to relocate Zou again (which contradicts the highly implied use of a Vivre Card) is a very awkward and underwhelming setup that doesn't seem at all like something Oda would do.
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I actually had to stop to laugh at Franky's face. Then I go to the next page and Robin is doing the same thing… you can tell when a face fault is going to become iconic in OP, Robin just made it there.
Shamisen lady is back. I suspect she will never enter the story until the arc is over, she finishes playing, puts her mask down and reveals to be Tama singing the story of Kaido downfall to her public 10 years from now. You read it here first.
I think she is Toki, Oden's wife.
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The idea of the Beast Pirates going back to report someone, with Orochi or whoever then managing to easily confirm that this is Raizou, and then after that uses the mystery prisoner to relocate Zou again (which contradicts the highly implied use of a Vivre Card) is a very awkward and underwhelming setup that doesn't seem at all like something Oda would do.
Well first, the mysterious guy is in that cell for quite some time so i think it is improbable that he knows of Raizou's whereabouts. Second, Kaidou's men probably can't climb onto Zunisha just like that and third, yeah, if, i also think that they can locate Zou with the help of a mink traitor or a stolen vivrecard. The question remains - how does Orochi know that Raizou is on Zou giving it happend not so long ago and the person in the cell seems to be there for a while since no one can remember who he is and when he got incarcerated.
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I think the Shamisen Lady doesn't even exists.
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Well first, the mysterious guy is in that cell for quite some time so i think it is improbable that he knows of Raizou's whereabouts.
I was just going off your initial post that sparked this discussion, where you theorized that the prisoner is the traitor. I agree that it would make no sense for him to know where Raizou is. That in turn makes it highly unlikely for him to be the traitor.
Second, Kaidou's men probably can't climb onto Zunisha just like that
I mean, Jack and his men made it up there somehow unannounced. It's not like it's impossible to climb, and if any group could do it, a Yonko crew full of Zoan users could. If anything, being unable to climb Zunisha through regular means would only bolster the theory of the traitor already being present on Zou, as you could easily explain Jack's sudden presence with said traitor allowing him to come up there to begin with.
and third, yeah, if, i also think that they can locate Zou with the help of a mink traitor or a stolen vivrecard. The question remains - how does Orochi know that Raizou is on Zou giving it happend not so long ago and the person in the cell seems to be there for a while since no one can remember who he is and when he got incarcerated.
Well, we don't know what Orochi knows. All that's confirmed is that the Beast Pirates know of Raizo's existence. Though yes, it would not be surprising for them to inform Orochi of this as well.
Oh, and as for a stolen Vivre Card, that too would not explain how they knew that Raizou was there.
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You all forgot Luffy have CaCarot in his crew to help him out. :ninja:
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Question: The seastone nail bullets Kaido's crew uses, what is the purpose of them other than to provide a minor momentary nuisance to DF users? The second you pull them out, you can use your ability again so unless it's to keep someone specifically like Law from teleporting out of there for a few seconds, it shouldn't really be useful enough to expend the effort gathering the materials and forging them. Unless they're made to specifically be like a bee sting where you pull out the top part of it but the tip still sticks below the dermis (and I don't remember the translation I read mentioning that) or they somehow leave mineral traces in the blood of whomever they hit (which doesn't make sense if the substance is supposed to be unbreakable), it's weird that they use those.
Hawkins is probably the only one who uses those nails.
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