The reason the guy in the cage is NOT Oden is because Shutenmaru is looking for a man to follow who will be Luffy. He has started to believe again, and it would ruin that arc if Oden was actually alive to follow
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I think all D's have CoC, I also think all the Yonko have it. I would be kinda surprised if Kaido didn't have it. I feel like all the Yonko can use all 3 types of Haki. Even if it isn't their main strength.
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i got questions:
1. is the marine did not know the main base of every yonkou? e g. whole cake for big mom and surely, wano island for kaido?
2. the Tenguyama guy is posibble to be one of either kawamatsu or denjirou?
3. what you guys think of the rest of Straw Hat regarding of Luffy got captured by Kaido? will they wait until 2 week as planned earlier? I dont think so, especially Zoro himself..
4. if they need to wait, maybe the Straw Hat Grand Fleet will be needed?..so the time frame of 2 week will be use for waiting of the fleet?
5. 1st Act has finish, may be 2nd Act will be focus on Big Mom travelling from Whole cake to Wano with her fleet? that will be very interesting Royal Rumble Big Mom vs Kaido vs Supernova + SHGF -
So you're saying the WG doesn't keep tabs on their top scientist? They immediately found out the instant BM said that she would head to meet Kaido, but somehow they missed that the leader of their science division got abducted by a bunch of loud Mad Max rejects?
What I'm saying is there might exist some circumstance which prevented them from knowing, or they do know but can't do anything about it yet. If their top scientist is captured by a pirate, then they can't just attack without considering different methods first.
"__I expected someone who is so defensive of Carrot as a next SH to have more imagination." You started it. Turnabout is fair play.
So you just assumed I was mocking you. Lol, have no problem with Carrot joining.
Here's a theory crafting tip for you: if you have to give characters previously unheard-of abilities and make up entire sequences of events based on nothing for your theory to work… The theory's probably wrong.
Wouldn't even call it a theory. It's less me making up entire sequences as it's me exploring possibilities. So far, none of you here mentioned anything that I hadn't already thought of or that would make me think Vegapunk being the prisoner is impossible.
Oh? So Fujitora is the WG's only form of communication with Vegapunk? No other ships go back and forth to his labs, maybe to ferry materials? Vegapunk's base isn't equipped with a den den mushi? Those things can send calls halfway across the world. Or maybe they just didn't think to send out a distress call when they were being attacked by Kaido's men? There are so many things poking holes in your narrative that you aren't considering here.
Like I said, I considered a lot. Just don't feel I should repeat everything on every page. I could as easilly say that all of your questions are needless if you just consider several possibilities. Like we don't know how much Vegapunk himself even communicates with other people or outside world. There's no doubt he's heavily guarded, but maybe he decided to skip school for whatever reason and left a robot clone of himself. Should have happened only after Fujitora visited him, since I imagine Fujitora could see through it. Nobody is suggesting Kaido attacked his lab base, that would be pretty dumb.
Just please try not to get hung up on things you think I didn't consider and if you really want to, try to make me see how it's impossible that Vegapunk is inside that cell. Cause all I see are assumptions and lack of imagination.
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So you just assumed I was mocking you
Saying someone has no imagination is not a compliment, I'll tell you that much.
Like I said, I considered a lot. Just don't feel I should repeat everything on every page. I could as easilly say that all of your questions are needless if you just consider several possibilities.
"Consider several possibilities" here meaning "invent scenarios whole-cloth based on absolutely nothing". I can imagine plenty of scenarios that place Enel, or Arlong, or Blackbeard in that cage and they would be just as valid as the scenarios you're proposing for Vegapunk. That's completely worthless as a predictor for the story. Hitchen's razor, man: What is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
but maybe he decided to skip school for whatever reason and left a robot clone of himself. Should have happened only after Fujitora visited him, since I imagine Fujitora could see through it. Nobody is suggesting Kaido attacked his lab base, that would be pretty dumb.
Suggesting that Vegapunk would just skip town while in the middle of working on a project to replace the warlord system is also a pretty dumb suggestion. Everything we know about his personality suggests that he's a pretty serious and dedicated guy.
try to make me see how it's impossible that Vegapunk is inside that cell. Cause all I see are assumptions and lack of imagination.
Nothing is impossible, but if nothing is pointing to it (and in fact, several things are pointing against it), then you're just verbally jerking off and wasting everyone's time.
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Saying someone has no imagination is not a compliment, I'll tell you that much.
Sorry for feeling hurt, then.
"Consider several possibilities" here meaning "invent scenarios whole-cloth based on absolutely nothing". I can imagine plenty of scenarios that place Enel, or Arlong, or Blackbeard in that cage and they would be just as valid as the scenarios you're proposing for Vegapunk. That's completely worthless as a predictor for the story. Hitchen's razor, man: What is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
No, they wouldn't be just as valid. 2 reasons. The silhouette and the fact Vegapnuk is already a part of this saga in a way. You're free to dismiss it as I am to keep saying there's a chance.
Suggesting that Vegapunk would just skip town while in the middle of working on a project to replace the warlord system is also a pretty dumb suggestion. Everything we know about his personality suggests that he's a pretty serious and dedicated guy.
Maybe that serious, dedicated and responsible (forgot to mention) scientist would want to fix what his past negligence caused. It's at least worth considering.
Nothing is impossible, but if nothing is pointing to it (and in fact, several things are pointing against it), then you're just verbally jerking off and wasting everyone's time.
Just disagree that nothing is pointing to it.
And I'm not the one who decides what other people will do with their free time. If you feel like you have wasted time, you have only yourself to blame, like in most things in life. ^^
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Well if it has to be anyone other than Kawa-whatsit or Den-something i'd paint virtually anyone outside of the most important man in the world to be in a the man without a name in the iron mask style prison cell in the new world. Anyone with the time to spare to be forgotten in a prison camp, and as far as i know Enel has a pretty open schedule after attempting space suicide. I'd give him hundred to one odds
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The silhouette and the fact Vegapnuk is already a part of this saga in a way.
So all this baseless speculation comes down to these two points. Alright, let's tear this apart:
The shilouette has already been shown to be completely different. This isn't up for debate, we have eyes and can see that all the visible features as well as the size of the head are different. The only thing that's actually the same is the angle at which the shilouette is drawn. You can come up with any number of reasons why someone's features and head size would change, but those would only be your inventions and not based on anything from the manga. All we actually have at this point, is two (very vague) silhouettes that sort of look similar if you squint hard, but the actual details don't line up.
As for the second part… You know who else is also part of this saga in a way? Oden, his wife, his daughter, the two remaining samurai, every single Roger pirate, every single Whitebeard pirate, Gekko Moriah, Monet, Vergo, Caesar Clown, whoever the Rox are, and whatever void century characters end up being related to the "new dawn". Being "a part of this saga in a way" is not an exclusive list and does not narrow it down to Vegapunk in any way, shape, or form.
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Well if it has to be anyone other than Kawa-whatsit or Den-something i'd paint virtually anyone outside of the most important man in the world to be in a the man without a name in the iron mask style prison cell in the new world. Anyone with the time to spare to be forgotten in a prison camp, and as far as i know Enel has a pretty open schedule after attempting space suicide. I'd give him hundred to one odds
It could be the old captain of the Rox actually. That's someone who Kaido could conceivably want to hold onto for ages like that. Although my bet is still on the ponytail samurai.
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So all this baseless speculation comes down to these two points. Alright, let's tear this apart:
The shilouette has already been shown to be completely different. This isn't up for debate, we have eyes and can see that all the visible features as well as the size of the head are different. The only thing that's actually the same is the angle at which the shilouette is drawn. You can come up with any number of reasons why someone's features and head size would change, but those would only be your inventions and not based on anything from the manga. All we actually have at this point, is two (very vague) silhouettes that sort of look similar if you squint hard, but the actual details don't line up.
As for the second part… You know who else is also part of this saga in a way? Oden, his wife, his daughter, the two remaining samurai, every single Roger pirate, every single Whitebeard pirate, Gekko Moriah, Monet, Vergo, Caesar Clown, whoever the Rox are, and whatever void century characters end up being related to the "new dawn". Being "a part of this saga in a way" is not an exclusive list and does not narrow it down to Vegapunk in any way, shape, or form.
It sounds like your definition of "tearing something apart" as well as "completely different" is different than mine, lol.
The shape is as similar as it can be, Oda doesn't bother with proportions that much, and the differences in those shapes at the base of the head can be explained with different clothes and/or passage of time.
As for the second paragraph… none of that changes anything in relation to what I wrote.
Sorry for wasting everyone's (your) time again.
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But why would it be Vegapunk since nobody from the Kaidou crew knows what's in the cage, they feed him poisonous fish, Fujitora visited VP a while ago, VP improved the pacifistas in the 2y span and he had no relation or connection to Wano. Same way it can be Absalom cause he has a similar tophat.
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Has the official translation clarified whether it’s Kidd or Kid.
P.s. Does anyone else have this problem of having to keep logging into Arlong Park every time you switch tabs
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Has the official translation clarified whether it’s Kidd or Kid.
It has always been just Kid by both Viz and Oda when he romanized his name.
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Hard to say if kaidou's club is seastone or not, but I imagine it's special and not just random club he found, or else he might as well use his fist. All top tiers seem to have special weapon, like even shank's sword is named, mihawk has best sword, BM has sword made out of her soul that can change into many time of blades, even WB's weapon was shown among the special swords when the sword of luffy was mentioned.
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I'd imagine that huge blunt club is on the exact opposite end of the spectrum from Mihawk's fancy black blade with cross handle
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Something I noticed and meant to point out a few weeks ago is that Jack called Kaido "Kaido-san", and in the chapter before this one, a background underling said "Kaido-san is falling this way".
I could be wrong, but isn't -san the honorific used to address someone of equal standing/status? Kaido seems like the kind of person they'd want to call -sama, who demands proper respect.
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Are people still arguing about the shadow being Vegapunk? Dangerous criminal in maximum security who can eat poisonous fish and kill people by spitting bones Vegapunk? That Vegapunk? Ok.
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Something I noticed and meant to point out a few weeks ago is that Jack called Kaido "Kaido-san", and in the chapter before this one, a background underling said "Kaido-san is falling this way".
I could be wrong, but isn't -san the honorific used to address someone of equal standing/status? Kaido seems like the kind of person they'd want to call -sama, who demands proper respect.
Dunno. The drunk shirtless guy doesn't seem too big on formalities
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Something I noticed and meant to point out a few weeks ago is that Jack called Kaido "Kaido-san", and in the chapter before this one, a background underling said "Kaido-san is falling this way".
I could be wrong, but isn't -san the honorific used to address someone of equal standing/status? Kaido seems like the kind of person they'd want to call -sama, who demands proper respect.
"San" is like a formal greeting, akin to "Mister".
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It sounds like your definition of "tearing something apart" as well as "completely different" is different than mine, lol.
I suggest you go buy a dictionary.
The shape is as similar as it can be,
the differences in those shapes at the base of the head
How can you say that the shilouette is as similar as can be, and then acknowledge that every single identifying factor in the silhouettes are different? There's major cognitive dissonance here.
As for the second paragraph… none of that changes anything in relation to what I wrote.
It puts Vegapunk on the same level of likeness as all those people I listed. You might as well have said "well, this character exists in one piece so they have a chance of being that shilouette". That's worthless to even consider.
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I suggest you go buy a dictionary.
Internet about to shut down? The silhouettes aren't completely different. Something is completely different to another thing when there's not a single similarity between them. Here we have a similar head shape and something that could be ear or a collar. But PH silhouette doesn't have two pointy things sticking above ear/collar and the jail silhouette does. Aren't people allowed to change their appearance somewhat in OP? The PH silhouette is from 4 years prior to current events.
How can you say that the shilouette is as similar as can be, and then acknowledge that every single identifying factor in the silhouettes are different? There's major cognitive dissonance here.
Sure, if you completely disregard the fact the head shape is the same. Sure, you say the PH head was longer. I say it's not so drastically longer to change the possibility.
It puts Vegapunk on the same level of likeness as all those people I listed. You might as well have said "well, this character exists in one piece so they have a chance of being that shilouette". That's worthless to even consider.
No, what I said was PH is connected to the process of creating artificial devil fruits, and has indirectly been a part of this saga since the beginning. Not the saga of OP, just Kaido saga. Since it seems I wasn't clear enough the first 8-10 times I wrote that in this thread.
Stop considering it then?
If I didn't know better, I'd think you yourself are starting to consider it's Vegapunk, and you'll only convince yourself if you can convince me first. Give it a rest.
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Here we have a similar head shape
What? No they don't. Vegapunk's head looks super oblong. The prisoner's head is normal-shaped.
No, what I said was PH is connected to the process of creating artificial devil fruits, and has indirectly been a part of this saga since the beginning. Not the saga of OP, just Kaido saga. Since it seems I wasn't clear enough the first 8-10 times I wrote that in this thread.
Sure, but PH isn't close to being the only thing connected to this arc.
If I didn't know better, I'd think you yourself are starting to consider it's Vegapunk, and you'll only convince yourself if you can convince me first. Give it a rest.
I'm the type of person who argues with flat-earthers. I don't like leaving terrible arguments to grow and fester. You're nearing the level of detachment from reality that I see from the flat-earthers.
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Has the official translation clarified whether it’s Kidd or Kid.
P.s. Does anyone else have this problem of having to keep logging into Arlong Park every time you switch tabs
It could be one of those instances where Oda is deliberately vague: perhaps it's "Eustace Kid D."?
When Law was introduced, we never saw the "D.", and yet he had it all along: we only found out during Corazon's flashback, when his full name was revealed.
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Okay, chapter comparisons!
- The official translation name of the chapter is "Huh", clearly referencing the moment where Franky, Robin, and Usopp read the paper and react like this. While Jaimini's Box noted that this was likely the case, both they and Mangastream also noted that it could be a reference to "Jo-Ha-Kyu". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo-ha-ky%C5%AB
- MS refers to Kaido's club as a "kanabo" in the translation, leaving it like that while including a TN that it's a spiked metal club normally carried by demons in Japanese mythology. JB and VIZ forego that explanation and just translate it to "club".
- When told that Luffy is still breathing, Kaido says "Of course he is" in JB, as opposed to "I thought so"/"As I figured" in MS/VIZ, though that's a pretty small difference. Also, when Law is planning to flee with Luffy, he says "In that condition", his only option is to grab Luffy and run, like he's commenting on the condition Luffy's in after the fight, but in MS and VIZ, after noting that he'll have to drag him away, he thinks "I should have enough stamina" to do so, commenting on his own condition and the nature of his Devil Fruit.
- In both scanlations, Hawkins says "Stop right there, Trafalgar!" after shooting Law with the nail, but in the official version, says "Don't do it, Trafalgar!"
- Later, when Hawkins' men are commenting that Law escaped, in MS, Hawkins says "We will catch up to you. You're not getting away." in MS; in JB, he says "I will definitely find them. I won't let them escape from me." In VIZ, his wording there is "But I will track him down. He shall not escape." The difference in wording may not really matter, but the slight differences can imply different things.
- MS has Tsuru saying to Gorobei that he shouldn't feel responsible for the town being attacked, and calls him a kind soul, but in JB and VIZ, she's talking about Luffy(taro) when she says these things.
- Shinobu's Devil Fruit/jutsu is called the "Juku-Juku Voluptuous Jutsu" in MS, the "Mature-Mature Bewitchment Jutsu" in JB, and "Ripe-Ripe Enticement Jutsu" in VIZ.
- Luffy's and Kid's words about Kaido in MS are "Rue this day" in MS, "You'll pay for this" in JB, and "I'll get you" in VIZ.
- To answer the above question, VIZ spells it "Kid", with one "d".
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What? No they don't. Vegapunk's head looks super oblong. The prisoner's head is normal-shaped.
It's really not.
Sure, but PH isn't close to being the only thing connected to this arc.
Ooops, accidentaly wrote PH instead VP. And?
I'm the type of person who argues with flat-earthers. I don't like leaving terrible arguments to grow and fester. You're nearing the level of detachment from reality that I see from the flat-earthers.
I'm the type of person who likes to see possibilities instead of limitations. In this case, I can imagine several ways in which Oda could pull it off, while the opposition discards any possibility based on incomplete information and assumptions.
But thank you for comparing me with idiots and trolls. You're once again showing how good of a communicator you are. Flat-earthers are lucky to have you.
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It's really not.
Ooops, accidentaly wrote PH instead VP. And?
I'm the type of person who likes to see possibilities instead of limitations. In this case, I can imagine several ways in which Oda could pull it off, while the opposition discards any possibility based on incomplete information and assumptions.
But thank you for comparing me with idiots and trolls. You're once again showing how good of a communicator you are. Flat-eathers are lucky to have you.
How long do you think that prisoner has been in that cage? Give me you range of estimate
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How long do you think that prisoner has been in that cage? Give me you range of estimate
Can't really tell. Could have been 20 years or it could have been a week. The guard could have rotated so much that none of the current ones remember the prisoner, or he was captured recently with none of them ever seeing him up close. Or they did see him but it was an unfamiliar face.
One thing I don't understand is, if it was one of samurai, why the secrecy. First with a different silhouette and then with guards not knowing shit. I'd think that there would at least be rumors about a samurai that doesn't want to join Kaido or something like that. I'd understand if it was Oden, but since we know he had Conqueror Haki, it would be weird if none of the guards ever collapsed foaming in front of the cell.
I think it's someone we don't expect to see there. Doesn't have to be damn Vegapunk, that's just the most interesting possibility to me.
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The implication to me isn't that it's a secret but rather that whoever it is has been in there so long that people have forgotten who it is.
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The implication to me isn't that it's a secret but rather that whoever it is has been in there so long that people have forgotten who it is.
It's the way Oda decided to show it that bugs me and makes me think it's none of the 2 samurai silhouettes. Seems needlesly secretive for the person to be one of the guys that were hinted 3 chapters ago.
Not saying it couldn't be the pony tail guy, of course. His pony tail could have been cut off or something, and he's a baldie now.
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The implication to me isn't that it's a secret but rather that whoever it is has been in there so long that people have forgotten who it is.
That is my thoughts on it as well.
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Okay, chapter comparisons!
- The official translation name of the chapter is "Huh", clearly referencing the moment where Franky, Robin, and Usopp read the paper and react like this. While Jaimini's Box noted that this was likely the case, both they and Mangastream also noted that it could be a reference to "Jo-Ha-Kyu". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo-ha-ky%C5%AB
- MS refers to Kaido's club as a "kanabo" in the translation, leaving it like that while including a TN that it's a spiked metal club normally carried by demons in Japanese mythology. JB and VIZ forego that explanation and just translate it to "club".
- When told that Luffy is still breathing, Kaido says "Of course he is" in JB, as opposed to "I thought so"/"As I figured" in MS/VIZ, though that's a pretty small difference. Also, when Law is planning to flee with Luffy, he says "In that condition", his only option is to grab Luffy and run, like he's commenting on the condition Luffy's in after the fight, but in MS and VIZ, after noting that he'll have to drag him away, he thinks "I should have enough stamina" to do so, commenting on his own condition and the nature of his Devil Fruit.
- In both scanlations, Hawkins says "Stop right there, Trafalgar!" after shooting Law with the nail, but in the official version, says "Don't do it, Trafalgar!"
- Later, when Hawkins' men are commenting that Law escaped, in MS, Hawkins says "We will catch up to you. You're not getting away." in MS; in JB, he says "I will definitely find them. I won't let them escape from me." In VIZ, his wording there is "But I will track him down. He shall not escape." The difference in wording may not really matter, but the slight differences can imply different things.
- MS has Tsuru saying to Gorobei that he shouldn't feel responsible for the town being attacked, and calls him a kind soul, but in JB and VIZ, she's talking about Luffy(taro) when she says these things.
- Shinobu's Devil Fruit/jutsu is called the "Juku-Juku Voluptuous Jutsu" in MS, the "Mature-Mature Bewitchment Jutsu" in JB, and "Ripe-Ripe Enticement Jutsu" in VIZ.
- Luffy's and Kid's words about Kaido in MS are "Rue this day" in MS, "You'll pay for this" in JB, and "I'll get you" in VIZ.
- To answer the above question, VIZ spells it "Kid", with one "d".
I almost missed Stephen talking about the chapter title in the podcast because he left it right til the end of the manga recap. Glad I kept listening, I was really curious to see what he had to say about this one.
Stephen thinks the reference to Jo-Ha-Kyu is more likely to be a happy coincidence than anything else. The reasons are firstly, the way it's written. The writing matches the Huh from the chapter, not the Ha in Jo-Ha Kyu, which we can verify now the full raws are out:
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Second, the way that Oda tends to use either descriptive chapter titles (like Emperor Kaido VS Luffy from the other week) or lines of dialogue, not abstract references. So it works again as dialogue.And third, the complete lack of a "Jo" chapter, because it would make sense to do the whole jo-ha-kyu thing as a series.
He also said that Viz's format doesn't really allow for explanations of the translation in the chapter title space, and that the only way we'll really know for sure if it's jo-ha-kyu is if it comes up in an SBS, in which case he'll be able to explain the context there, which also informed the choice to go with "Huh" over "Ha"
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It would make sense that fishguy is a samurai, Noseguy being one and Tama being Momos sister… then we would have seen all of the alliences forces, what would be just the purpose of first act. Only Apoo and XDrake would not be there - maybe a hint for them being on Kaidous side.
Also thank you Razh and Avocado for discussing - you both have valid points... most prominent: shape vs duration of imprisionment.
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Don't want to ride on that "Vegapunk or not"-debate, but remember Kanjuro's 1st Silhouette? It looked like Kawamatsu's or Denjiro's Silhouette now Looks like (with a hair-tail).
Kanjuuro ended up lookin different than that Silhouette. Silhouettes can give a precise views of chars, but one can't rely on them for 100%.
Meadows looked like Kaidou's Silhouette, remember?
And the sun pirate-ship looked totally like the Sunny in ch. 900.Would be cool if it was a bald Moria
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Would be cool if it was a bald Moria
Or Moria's former vice captain or something.
Regarding the silhouettes, Vegapunk's would have probably been changed in a volume release, like Kanjuro's. But I guess anything's possible. Can't really speak for possibility of it being Vegapunk and disregard the possibility that Oda is being undecisive with appearances again.
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Has the official translation clarified whether it’s Kidd or Kid.
P.s. Does anyone else have this problem of having to keep logging into Arlong Park every time you switch tabs
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It could be one of those instances where Oda is deliberately vague: perhaps it's "Eustace Kid D."?
When Law was introduced, we never saw the "D.", and yet he had it all along: we only found out during Corazon's flashback, when his full name was revealed.
as Tarek and Faith said his name has always been "Kid". You can check his bounty posters and stuff to see proof.
If people want to make up theories that Eustass Kid has a secret middle name he didn't tell anyone about I'm not going to try and stop them however his name is spelled "Eustass Kid" see my earlier post
@Cavendish:People often mistake Eustass Kid's name as Kidd because of one of the two real life pirates he is named after: Eustace the Monk And William Kidd. But we can clearly see on his wanted poster that the names got morphed (as Oda generally does when naming after famous people) into Eustass and Kid.
I personally doubt Eustass Kid has a secret D name because from what we have seen of him he doesn't seem the type to hide it but what I do know for sure is that "Eustass Kid" is the correct spelling as given by Oda on more than one occasion (both on wanted posters and on the intro pages)!
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Or Moria's former vice captain or something.
Regarding the silhouettes, Vegapunk's would have probably been changed in a volume release, like Kanjuro's. But I guess anything's possible. Can't really speak for possibility of it being Vegapunk and disregard the possibility that Oda is being undecisive with appearances again.
That Person in that cell could wear a bamboo hat just like Law wore quite some chapters ago. And a possible hair knot can't be seen because of the panel's layout.
Vegapunk is a Person in great demand recently. Though it'd be funny if he fooled the whole world with a clone of himself. Or there is sitting a badass-Vegapunk-clone in that cell.Topic-Change: it is funny that we see big-paneled face-faults of the very same SHs who had face-faults at Green Bit.
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as Tarek and Faith said his name has always been "Kid". You can check his bounty posters and stuff to see proof.
If people want to make up theories that Eustass Kid has a secret middle name he didn't tell anyone about I'm not going to try and stop them however his name is spelled "Eustass Kid" see my earlier post
I personally doubt Eustass Kid has a secret D name because from what we have seen of him he doesn't seem the type to hide it but what I do know for sure is that "Eustass Kid" is the correct spelling as given by Oda on more than one occasion (both on wanted posters and on the intro pages)!
I wouldn't rely on that too much. Oda saved Law's full Name (Waterloo) until his very own flashback. Eustass D. Hanswurst Kid (probably) incoming.
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As bad as one K Kidd is it isn't the first time Oda mucks up a good name. They really should take away his English privilegies. Like you do with the license of a drunk just won't stop drinking and driving. It's for your own good y'know
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I wouldn't rely on that too much. Oda saved Law's full Name (Waterloo) until his very own flashback. Eustass D. Hanswurst Kid (probably) incoming.
As I already said I'm not trying to stop people from floating that theory, I personally have doubts because I feel like Kid would brag (for lack of a better word) about being one of the people who is going to turn the world on its head. However I wouldn't be shocked if Kid does have a middle name with a D. My point I'm trying to make is just directed to all the people mistaking his name.
my stance:
Eustass _______ Kid - Possible flashback reveal. Although we have nothing to suggest it being a fact as far as I am concerned.
Eustace Kid D. - Nope Oda has shown us blatantly that the spelling is Eustass Kid (see the image in my post above plus all the other times it has appeared that way in both the official Japanese and English versions)You can dislike the spelling Eustass Kid but it still is what Oda gave us. I personally hate the spelling "Sterry" instead of "Stelly" but I'm not going to make any theories that depend on the non-existent "L"s in his name:happy:
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I wouldn't rely on that too much. Oda saved Law's full Name (Waterloo) until his very own flashback. Eustass D. Hanswurst Kid (probably) incoming.
I thought it was just Water instead of Waterloo.
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Why do people think the prisoner is bald? I thought he was wearing a hat.
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Are the weapons BB got ( vine steel) confirmed to be made in kaidou's factories? Since dofla had them, I imagine in Exchange for the artificial zoans. BB could want more and get here for the source. With both poneglyphs and seastone from wano, whatever vine steel is, could also be special material found in wano.
And I still don't get it why kaidou gave the seastone to marines, since they are enemies.
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Can't really tell. Could have been 20 years or it could have been a week. The guard could have rotated so much that none of the current ones remember the prisoner, or he was captured recently with none of them ever seeing him up close. Or they did see him but it was an unfamiliar face.
One thing I don't understand is, if it was one of samurai, why the secrecy. First with a different silhouette and then with guards not knowing shit. I'd think that there would at least be rumors about a samurai that doesn't want to join Kaido or something like that. I'd understand if it was Oden, but since we know he had Conqueror Haki, it would be weird if none of the guards ever collapsed foaming in front of the cell.
I think it's someone we don't expect to see there. Doesn't have to be damn Vegapunk, that's just the most interesting possibility to me.
So you’re saying the one guard who calls the other guard a newbie has also been there for less than a few weeks… somehow you don’t see how much of a stretch you’re pulling... Well whatever
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@uniaka:
Are the weapons BB got ( vine steel) confirmed to be made in kaidou's factories? Since dofla had them, I imagine in Exchange for the artificial zoans. BB could want more and get here for the source. With both poneglyphs ans seastone from wano, whatever vine steel is, coudl also be special material found in wano.
And I still don't get it why kaidou gave the seastoen to marines, since they are enemies.
I think that's more on Doflamingo.
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I think that's more on Doflamingo.
I imagine he is aware if his seastone is sold by dofla to his enemies.
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So you’re saying the one guard who calls the other guard a newbie has also been there for less than a few weeks… somehow you don’t see how much of a stretch you’re pulling... Well whatever
Is my English deteriorating lately or something? That's not even close to what I said.
Why are you even assuming that the guard who explains the fish thing couldn't have been at the prison longer than the mysterious prisoner has? And nobody calls any guard a newbie. That's directed at Luffy.
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as Tarek and Faith said his name has always been "Kid". You can check his bounty posters and stuff to see proof.
If people want to make up theories that Eustass Kid has a secret middle name he didn't tell anyone about I'm not going to try and stop them however his name is spelled "Eustass Kid" see my earlier post
I personally doubt Eustass Kid has a secret D name because from what we have seen of him he doesn't seem the type to hide it but what I do know for sure is that "Eustass Kid" is the correct spelling as given by Oda on more than one occasion (both on wanted posters and on the intro pages)!
This has happen with Law, so it's not something new: when Law was introduced back in Saobondy, there was no "D." in his name.
I never said it was badly translated: i just said it's possible that Oda is trolling us and his name is actually "Kid D.". So far, every time Kid's name came up has always been "Kid", to my knowledge.
I do agree with you that i find it unlikely for Kid to hide the "D.", personality wise, but that doesn't mean Oda won't pull it off: unknown @ this time.
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@uniaka:
I imagine he is aware if his seastone is sold by dofla to his enemies.
Don't think he cares.
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@HTC:
This has happen with Law, so it's not something new: when Law was introduced back in Saobondy, there was no "D." in his name.
I never said it was badly translated: i just said it's possible that Oda is trolling us and his name is actually "Kid D.". So far, every time Kid's name came up has always been "Kid", to my knowledge.
I do agree with you that i find it unlikely for Kid to hide the "D.", personality wise, but that doesn't mean Oda won't pull it off: unknown @ this time.
Law had foreshadowing about his identity, as he was aware of the Will of D. for seemingly no reason before the timeskip.
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In addition to what other people have said, I don't see Kid being a D because of Luffy and Law both already having that, and Kid having Conqueror's Haki. It would make sense to me, at least, if what makes Kid special among the non-Luffy Supernovas is that he has Conqueror's Haki, what makes Law special among them is that he's a D, and Luffy is extra-special (which we the audience, of course, already know that he is compared to the rest of the Supernovas) in that he has both. Naturally, that's not a theory based on any actual evidence (other than being given no indication so far that Kid's a D or knows about the Will of D, nor any indication so far that Law has Conqueror's Haki, so it's more like a current lack of evidence), but more just a "it seems more fitting that way" kind of deal.
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I think its the other way around. If you are strong enough to succeed, you have the will of a conqueror.
If he reveals to be a dragon who ate a devil fruit that turned him into human, then he shouldn't have it..
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If he reveals to be a dragon who ate a devil fruit that turned him into human, then he shouldn't have it..
My understanding is that only humans can be born with conqueror hakiYou sir are a speciest!
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The design on Kid's pants makes it look like they're covered in blood in the manga.