Only because they have fruits that can make even island sized attack or just slap send you to another island. And haki too, imagine oars jr with haki and doflamingo's fruit.
Chapter 920: For Love of Oden
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Unlikely as she met Ace 4 years prior and she was seen by Kiku with no reaction.
I don’t think sending both your children forward in time to the same year would be a good idea considering you boasted a curse while your castle was crumbling down.
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Oars Jr is the one Doula Mongo cut his leg off
I hope that you know that you are really boring with commenting my posts like that every now and then and not even once getting into discussion..
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Oda would not introduce strongest Calamity first. He will show off Jack as much as he can and after that he will likely hype up one of Calamities as even stronger foe.
Maybe, but not necessarily
Vergo was the first of Doffy's crew to be introduced and he was as strong as any other executive.
As for size and power I never stated that its equivalent in One Piece but you seem to be very stubborn with repeating that I did.. with size of Calamities and hype Jack got I just expect them to be very important and extremely strong players of this arc. So I compared them to getting 3 Jozu tier fighters..
Whats wrong with that?
You've literally just said it again
You're weirdly expecting them to be as super strong purely because of their size
We already know that they're going to be super powerful because they're Kaido's top guys
Size doesn't really mean anything in One Piece outside of aesthetics
Oda lately implies power with size of character way more often than he did before. It was even said once after time skip, during Dressrosa arc that Luffy is one of few so small and so strong characters.
Could you provide a source for this?
I'm blanking
Also we have a whole bunch of characters who are a lot smaller than guys like Jozu and Jack yet are big time players
Also Oda choosen to display Luffys strongest Bound Man form as most buff and muscular..
Yet the strongest opponent he's defeated was with Snake Man which doesn't have a massive increase in size
Go figure
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I hope that you know that you are really boring with commenting my posts like that every now and then and not even once getting into discussion..
uuh? there is none to discuss, you just mistaken Oars.
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I wonder if Kinemon knows that Orochi and Kaidou at least think them as real, not ghost. Or they shouldn't have send Jack specifically to Zhou for the search of Raizou.
Also to know that Raizou is in Zhou must be a job of a mink traitor.Perhaps the same traitor had made a vivre card of Zunisha by which Jack was easily tracking it.
Though it is hard for me to see any prominent mink character to be traitor…..P.S: Argument against a mink traitor would be he/she should have known the exact place where Raizou was hidden, Jack need not to have wasted time by asking minks.
Hmm what if they didn’t actually know… Jack never actually confirmed seein Raizou and the only Kaidou man who actually saw them for certain is Doflamingo... but he was arrested and Jack again never actually got him back... so the only man who can say he saw them is the mink traitor but as it stands no Beast pirate can confirm they saw them and this traitor may actually start getting doubted
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What if he’s on the run? I mean an emperor wants him dead, so you’d expect he’d have to run as far away as possible. Like to another ocean far. So I say he ran to like East Blue and hid for 20 years and the reason he’s back now is the promised time. Of course to come back from any ocean you must go through Reverse mountain where he would end up finding Crocus
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But remember that in Zou, Momonosuke said hew saw his mother die. I guess he was exaggerating then or something because this flashback shows he doesn’t know what happened to her
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I guess consistency matters to Oda after all... go figure
Maybe the strange straw hat man was trying to recruit Crocus, given he was a companion of Oden on Roger's ship
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Aren’t the Admirals like Doflamingo height. Oda does have a thing with Size and power… I think it’s like a default for him... and when he wants to make a statement about a character then he makes them normal size... but as a default he always uses size to convey some sort of indicator that the guy isn’t pure fodder
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Only because they have fruits that can make even island sized attack or just slap send you to another island. And haki too, imagine oars jr with haki and doflamingo's fruit.
Only Kuma (and maybe Dofla) has a fruit like that between those three. And Luffy isn't a island buster itself, but still knocked out Hajrudin in one punch, man.
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Wouldn't ez mode just be to send Hiyori to shortly after the 20 year point if she's that confident in her prediction of the counterattack against Orochi happening in 20 years? Tama is objectively worse off than Momo after consuming poison for half of her life.
She is not confident in her prediction, she knows the attack is going to take place in 20 years because she sent them to that point in time. It was not an actual prediction.
Sending Hiyori to a point after that would work too from Toki's POV, I suppose, but definitely wouldn't work from a narrative standpoint. Also, Toki can't know for sure how things will play, if something happens to Momonosuke then Hiyori would probably be needed to ensure Kouzuki comeback would not simply be seen as a bunch of ronin rioting.
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I'm also getting Avengers vibes with Toki, as if she saw a gazillion outcomes and there was only one where they win.
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I do wonder how real this Mink traitor could be.
would make a good match for Carrot at least.It could’ve been Faust, who is the only mink we know on Kaidou’s crew but then the timeline may not match when he joined. By the time Doffy was defeated, Jack was already on Zou but Faust couldn’t have been in Kaidou’s crew. So he would’ve had to have snitched way before.
Faust is that guy on Hawkin’s crew btw
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Do you guys thing that the snow-island where Caribou landed was Oni-Island? Will we see the metal mountains and factories there?
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Maybe, but not necessarily
Vergo was the first of Doffy's crew to be introduced and he was as strong as any other executive.
You've literally just said it again
You're weirdly expecting them to be as super strong purely because of their size
We already know that they're going to be super powerful because they're Kaido's top guys
Size doesn't really mean anything in One Piece outside of aesthetics
Could you provide a source for this?
I'm blanking
Also we have a whole bunch of characters who are a lot smaller than guys like Jozu and Jack yet are big time players
Yet the strongest opponent he's defeated was with Snake Man which doesn't have a massive increase in size
Go figure
Fight with Katakuri was more about CoO and speed than pure power. Bound Man was shown overpowering Katakuri when he was not using CoO properly.
Bad example. Go figure.
Also Vergo seemed more formidable than any other of Doffys executives.. long story short.
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uuh? there is none to discuss, you just mistaken Oars.
plus I randomly comment on everyone here, dont get whats with you taking it "personal"??I dont browse forum that much. Felt like you are doing this in regard to me mostly, thanks for letting me know that you act random a lot ;)
And yeah, my bad, Ive mistaken Oz and Oars.
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And yeah, my bad, Ive mistaken Oz and Oars.
No, Oars is the official name. Oars was Moriah's zombie, Oars Jr. was Whitebeard's ally.
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And it was an altogether terrible name for both of 'em
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I remember Odz being used once.
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Finally the plot it getting into gear, good chapter.
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THE NINTH GUY SENT TO THE FUTURE WAS ZORO'S DAD :^)
Just joking.
Anyway, we know for a fact Inu and Neku were not sent to the future, because Pedro says "they returned after a very long journey, barely clinging to their lives".
To which Wanda mentions she and Pedro were kids at the time, so it's obvious the event that caused them to barely cling to their lives was the 20 years ago attack on Oden Castle.
But hey guys I am confused about this 9th guy. We see in the flashback panel that Momo, Kiku, Kinemon, Raizou, and Kanjuro were sent…but the 9th guy isn't there. Not even silhouetted.
So like, we're getting the number 9 from the 9 scabbards, right? But I mean, I don't see a ninth guy. Unless he just waited out the 20 years or something...
Can someone clarify? Thanks.
EDIT: Also the standard-bearer says the bodies of the 9 sheaths were never found....five are the ones I listed above, who are the other four? They can't possibly be Oden, his wife, and the sister....since Oden and his wife were absolutely killed by Kaidou/Orochi. Unless 2 of the sheaths were actually Inu and Neko, whose bodies were never found because they hightailed the fuck out of Wano, and then the 8th would be Momo's sister...but I guess we just don't know who the 9th is yet?
EDIT EDIT: So I think it's fairly likely Toki is from the Void Century, it's stated that she sent herself forward in time multiple times, before eventually settling down with Oden.
I honestly don't mind the fact that the fruit exists or it was used the way it was. I think it's great that there's a DF that can fling people into the future, and I really like how it's a one-way trip, which is what makes the time travel in this story bearable at all. But I'm worried that, since the fruit is back in circulation, someone's going to eat it or already have consumed it by now and we'll get some more flinging into the future shenanigans.
I mean, with a fruit like this, it's almost impossible for it to just remain a piece of lore, someone's GOT to have eaten this fruit by now or is actively looking for it.
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Events that he set up in reverie are far too important to be shown in newspaper though. It'd be quite lame if we don't get to see the revolutionary carrying out their mission or the result of Cobra's meeting with the elders.
I agree with you that seeing it would be awesome, but that may happen in a flashback after the SHs get the news once Wano opens up.
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Damn, Robin would have had a field day talking to Toki for just five minutes, if she's from any era even remotely close to the lost part of history. Too bad she's gone, what a tease. Is there another word for 'time' that could be used for another DF that would allow for backwards time travel? Although that would probably be too powerful and potentially create paradoxes so probably not.
We haven't seen Momonosuke's sister yet, have we (or is it O-Kiku? I couldn't tell)? I wonder what the deal is there if the translation I read isn't just craptastic and they totally put in words that didn't belong.
I knew Kaido wouldn't be on the main island, that just wouldn't have made sense, but that horned demon face looking place he's holed up in definitely fits his look. Can't wait to see it up up-close.
Glad to see the Zou heavy hitters making an appearance, I wanted them involved for sure. They'll help when the Calamities show back up, hopefully this time able to fight Jack with their Sulong forms and get some retribution. Curious who and what the other two are we haven't seen yet, especially if they're authentic Zoan users and not SMILE users.
That thing about raising a 5000-man army was so Usopp, I can't wait to see how that happens in reality. There has to be a climax where something he does brings together the Straw Hat Grand Fleet, the Minks, the Samurai and all the people already there in the alliance (even some Supernovas who aren't yet affiliated, like Capone. Surely he'll want a piece of another Yonkou after losing a chance to kill the other one.) Maybe even some former Big Mom pirates who want to help topple another Yonkou to help even out the balance of power.
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How can the current alliance beat Kaido?
If we assume Luffy is the strongest member, and he could at his very best take out a calamity. What chance have they got?
At this point, i'd doubt that Zoro (luffy's strongest guy) could take out jack (kaido's weakest calamity)
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So there is a Time-time fruit… now I wonder if my old pet theory about green bull having that fruit will end up right...
Light, gravity and time would be a cool set of admiral powers, especialy if they fight together...
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How can the current alliance beat Kaido?
If we assume Luffy is the strongest member, and he could at his very best take out a calamity. What chance have they got?
At this point, i'd doubt that Zoro (luffy's strongest guy) could take out jack (kaido's weakest calamity)
My theory I've been bandying about is this: Moria still wants a piece of Kaido. He'll join the alliance at some point even though he's pissed off at Luffy. So will the remaining Supernovas who either aren't yet present or who haven't yet joined their effort. Luffy and the other 10 Supernovas will agree that Luffy has to be the leader and will all give him their shadows to empower him into Ultimate Nightmare Luffy (since having 11 of them is just weird, so him being the one and the other 10 being followers, just makes sense; plus that seems to be how many nakama there will ultimately be in the end, too). That will give him the strength to match Kaido.
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How can the current alliance beat Kaido?
If we assume Luffy is the strongest member, and he could at his very best take out a calamity. What chance have they got?
At this point, i'd doubt that Zoro (luffy's strongest guy) could take out jack (kaido's weakest calamity)
aah reminds me of people doubting of Luffy's victory against Mingo.
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10 Supernovas will agree that Luffy has to be the leader and will all give him their shadows to empower him into Ultimate Nightmare Luffy (since having 11 of them is just weird, so him being the one and the other 10 being followers, just makes sense; plus that seems to be how many nakama there will ultimately be in the end, too). That will give him the strength to match Kaido.
well, Luffy is already the leader of one of them, Bonney seems to have other business to care of. Urouge and Bege, I dont know about them but I would like them to show up but Im guessing Bege is done having alliances with Luffy and Urouge could be saved for Elbaf.
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Damn, Robin would have had a field day talking to Toki for just five minutes, if she's from any era even remotely close to the lost part of history. Too bad she's gone, what a tease. Is there another word for 'time' that could be used for another DF that would allow for backwards time travel? Although that would probably be too powerful and potentially create paradoxes so probably not.
We haven't seen Momonosuke's sister yet, have we (or is it O-Kiku? I couldn't tell)? I wonder what the deal is there if the translation I read isn't just craptastic and they totally put in words that didn't belong.
I knew Kaido wouldn't be on the main island, that just wouldn't have made sense, but that horned demon face looking place he's holed up in definitely fits his look. Can't wait to see it up up-close.
Glad to see the Zou heavy hitters making an appearance, I wanted them involved for sure. They'll help when the Calamities show back up, hopefully this time able to fight Jack with their Sulong forms and get some retribution. Curious who and what the other two are we haven't seen yet, especially if they're authentic Zoan users and not SMILE users.
That thing about raising a 5000-man army was so Usopp, I can't wait to see how that happens in reality. There has to be a climax where something he does brings together the Straw Hat Grand Fleet, the Minks, the Samurai and all the people already there in the alliance (even some Supernovas who aren't yet affiliated, like Capone. Surely he'll want a piece of another Yonkou after losing a chance to kill the other one.) Maybe even some former Big Mom pirates who want to help topple another Yonkou to help even out the balance of power.
Vegapunk could have eaten the inverse time fruit: his only goes back in time, and he actually is from 500 years in the future.
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This is going to be Zoro arc. Too many "coincidences". A monster fighter named "Ashura". Now Zoro lost and alone in Wano. We will see where Zoro comes from. We know nothing about his parents and how he has this "inner" aura.
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People are really trying to make this Zoros arc.
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I remember Odz being used once.
Odz and Oz was being used by the scanlations until Oars III's sail had the spelling when his ship first appeared at the beginning of Marineford.
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It's also cool that they did the reverse trip of where the strawhats went.
Kozuki crew>Wank>Zou>Dressrosa>Punk Hazard
I like how this was all starting since like 6 + years ago. In the end these guys weren't a bunch of random characters, they are well thought out characters on an important and deep mission. There existence is super relevant.
Dont remember them going to wank
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So is Onigashima a part of Wano or another place nearby?
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How can the current alliance beat Kaido?
If we assume Luffy is the strongest member, and he could at his very best take out a calamity. What chance have they got?
At this point, i'd doubt that Zoro (luffy's strongest guy) could take out jack (kaido's weakest calamity)
Zoro is lost hes either gonna find the crazy sword maker or hes gonna go cut a bunch of mfers before the invasion. hes gonna gain a crazy legend i bet.
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No, they were in Wano way before that, as young children and at some point they would have accompanied Oden on his journey with Whitebeard & Roger
Right that part I got, but it seems like they got into a fight, got caught and weren't sent into the future. So they were stuck for 20 years waiting. Explains their older ages compared to the rest of the samurai crew.
Also, there seems to be a 5th person rereading it. Now i'm curious to know who this person is. It MIGHT be the person who was meeting with Crocus in this cover story: https://imgur.com/a/SnuCicM
@SSJLuffy:So is Onigashima a part of Wano or another place nearby?
It seems Wano is broken down by different states like old time japan. Each one has a lord/daimyo ruling it, all answering to the shogun. So onigashima is a state/island that's within Wano.
The guy that appears in the cover page talking to Crocus has the same hat as the one in Kinemon's flashback (the mysterious retainer) but it isnt unusual, and he also has the same hair like Tengu more or less.
Just saw your post, had the same thought.
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Toki must have had a weird life moving in time like that. I wonder if she is from Wano or if Wano is recent thing for her. I mean they had close borders so I'm not sure how she would get there. But I could see her as an ancient friend of the sculptors of Rocks.
I wonder why not send the little sister with Momo. Why separate them at all? I don't think she plans on Momo dying. I could understand separating the kids from the retainers but not separating the kids.
I also wonder why she chose to die but that's just classic trope not worth questioning.
I don't Zoro getting lost on the dog. Zoro has bad sense of direction. He's not magical. That would be like Zoro getting lost on another boat while on the sunny or getting lost while on Brownbeard back. He can't have gotten lost whie sitting on the freaking dog. That's either cheap or lazy.
2 weeks to the invasion? We don't know when the next full moon is but I don't expect them to wait more than 3 days at most.
That island has a cool design.
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2 weeks to the invasion? We don't know when the next full moon is but I don't expect them to wait more than 3 days at most.
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without Sulong, the minks may not be able to control the fight against the Smiles, so yeh things might not go the way is all planned, Luffy and the others spent several days in WCI, and is better for 'story-telling' purposes for Luffy to be winning his fights from time to time and not just Monday Dofla, Tuesday Cracker, Wednesday Katakuri and Thursday Kaido. so I guess Oda is at least leaving gaps between Luffy's big fights so it doenst look all way too ridiculous.
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I'm curious what this two week in-world wait will lead to. Obviously, closer to another full moon, but at the same time, I wonder if we're going back to the Reverie or follow-up on some of the other side stuff like Weevil.
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I don't Zoro getting lost on the dog. Zoro has bad sense of direction. He's not magical. That would be like Zoro getting lost on another boat while on the sunny or getting lost while on Brownbeard back. He can't have gotten lost whie sitting on the freaking dog. That's either cheap or lazy.
Zoro's gag is almighty. I have seen no point in questioning it since Skypeia, where he got lost despite having a Southbird to guide him.
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Zoro's gag is almighty. I have seen no point in questioning it since Skypeia, where he got lost despite having a Southbird to guide him.
That was him unable to follow direction as usual. Like getting lost when Nami gave him direction to the stairs and he went the opposite direction.
But in this case he is not going somewhere he was just on a transportation. He is not moving or choosing where to go. It's like if he ended on a different island while on the train to Ennias Lobby.
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As an aside note, I do hope Queen and King were only placeholder names. Jack can also be a card game. Those two are a bit too on the nose.
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My theory I've been bandying about is this: Moria still wants a piece of Kaido. He'll join the alliance at some point even though he's pissed off at Luffy. So will the remaining Supernovas who either aren't yet present or who haven't yet joined their effort. Luffy and the other 10 Supernovas will agree that Luffy has to be the leader and will all give him their shadows to empower him into Ultimate Nightmare Luffy (since having 11 of them is just weird, so him being the one and the other 10 being followers, just makes sense; plus that seems to be how many nakama there will ultimately be in the end, too). That will give him the strength to match Kaido.
Allow me to declare this Canon until otherwise… I have never seen a theory of nightmare Luffy making a comeback... I love this
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This is going to be Zoro arc. Too many "coincidences". A monster fighter named "Ashura". Now Zoro lost and alone in Wano. We will see where Zoro comes from. We know nothing about his parents and how he has this "inner" aura.
I think we’re just going to go deeper into Famed Swords and Shisui… And of course if Oda doesn’t do anything with why Zoro can perform Asura, then I will declare that he literally just made that shit up and I’ll chuck it up to a one off thing... But to do with parentage, I don’t buy it. If Zoro hasn’t cared about it for 900 chapters then I won’t care about as well. The best that can be done is Zoro here and now becomes a legend in Wano. Since he has Ryuuma’s sword and Oda’s been beating us over the head with Ryuuma-Zoro parallels with comparing their build at Thriller Bark, Giving Zoro Shisui, Cutting the Dragon at Punk Hazard. I think Zoro is being set up to be the Ryuuma of the current Wano(i.e the Best swordsman in the country) so he’ll end up a legend in his own right. Without the need to force some dumb backstory that hasn’t even mattered till now.(like with certain characters)
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That was him unable to follow direction as usual. Like getting lost when Nami gave him direction to the stairs and he went the opposite direction.
But in this case he is not going somewhere he was just on a transportation. He is not moving or choosing where to go. It's like if he ended on a different island while on the train to Ennias Lobby.
If you think the gag is cheap and lazy then so be it but it’s just a gag. Obviously Oda used it to move the plot along while the exposition dumb goes on and that’s all it is. If you think there’s a better way for Oda to have gotten what he wanted without this “cheap and lazy gag” then good on you but Oda himself couldn’t think of one so he went with the funniest thing he could think of.
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Is it just me or did we already know, or strongly suspect, like, 90% of this?
yeah, rough chapter to have before the break. Barely any new info
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Great chapter! Finally things are speeding up.
But… Since we finally got the official confirmation of the travel route of the time travelling samurais (lol I love One Piece so much) around Kinemon, am I the only one who thinks her journey is pure slapstick and ridiculous? How can a group of elite samurai get shippwrecked two(!) times in a row, losing their most precious royal kid on to a random ship in Dressrosa and finally 4 people ending up on three(!!) different islands, having «travelled» half of the New World by then lol.
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Great chapter! Finally things are speeding up.
But… Since we finally got the official confirmation of the travel route of the time travelling samurais (lol I love One Piece so much) around Kinemon, am I the only one who thinks her journey is pure slapstick and ridiculous? How can a group of elite samurai get shippwrecked two(!) times in a row, losing their most precious royal kid on to a random ship in Dressrosa and finally 4 people ending up on three(!!) different islands, having «travelled» half of the New World by then lol.
While yea, they certainly went through a lot, them being shipwrecked is perfectly sensible seeing as how they're venturing through the New World with none of them possessing any navigational skills. Them being elite samurai has nothing to do with it, especially when they themselves have said they've never left Wano before.
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Oden remind me of a painting.
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Toki must have had a weird life moving in time like that. I wonder if she is from Wano or if Wano is recent thing for her. I mean they had close borders so I'm not sure how she would get there. But I could see her as an ancient friend of the sculptors of Rocks.
I wonder why not send the little sister with Momo. Why separate them at all? I don't think she plans on Momo dying. I could understand separating the kids from the retainers but not separating the kids.
Perhaps she knew the secret behind transfering devil fruits to another user and stayed so she could die and give it to her daughter.
I figure she's from the Void Century, otherwise what's the point of her being from the past at all, you know? If that's true, she might know a lot about all kinds of things.