We tend to stick Joffrey in with the forgettable presidents like Garfield and Polk. His term was cut short after all.
Chapter 914: Okobore, the Town of Leftovers
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Enel's surveillance system: amazing observation haki combined with electricity to create some sort of radio waves that allow you to monitor all the country
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So operation save a helpless female is in full effect…We got badly designed villains who shoot first stage weapons like arrows that's enough to distract Lola and Duffy and they can't catch a gazelle man with Ivonk tranny traits.
Sigh, you got to make us believe Oda...
Nice bait post. The helpless female is just a freaking child, and who jumps first into action to save her but a seemingly badass female samurai.
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With how luffy is related to everyone in the world, usopp's dad is emperor crew top member, sanji is part of some important royal family that ruled entire North blue, the shots of zoro related to some important samurai from wano are there, and I would say big shots. I would bet more on franky,brook or the rest not having important relatives.
I'm surprised Oda didn't make mihawk the dad of zoro.
Don't forget Franky was Tom's apprentice, who not only built the OJ, but i'm pretty sure would have been offered a position on Rogers crew which he must've turned down. Then you've got Robin, last living descendant of Ohara and even Nami, whose adopted mother was murdered by a member of the Sun Pirates.
The connections are everywhere. Zoro's history is a big one we are yet to learn about, and Wano seems like the perfect setting to tell it!!
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Batman, huh? I thought for sure I was seeing Buchi from the Black Cat Pirates again
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After staring at flowers for a few hours and re-reading several chapters I've come to the conclusion that the Kozuki Clan aren't (at least that they know if) directly related to the rightful rulers of Wano Country, the imperial family.
O-Kiku clearly is, but I doubt she's the heir to the throne.
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After staring at flowers for a few hours and re-reading several chapters I've come to the conclusion that the Kozuki Clan aren't (at least that they know if) directly related to the rightful rulers of Wano Country, the imperial family.
O-Kiku clearly is, but I doubt she's the heir to the throne.
So far the most likely person to fill that role is O-Tama.What's the deal with the Kozuki family ruling though? Tsuru said in this chapter that over 20 years ago "They had ruled over Wano, as they had been doing for a very long time."
Not even Naruto resorted to time travel
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What's the deal with the Kozuki family ruling though? Tsuru said in this chapter that over 20 years ago "They had ruled over Wano, as they had been doing for a very long time."
This is strictly conjuncture, but my guess is that Wano also allows someone to become Shogun by a duel, and that's how Orochi became Shogun, and then Oden then just became a regular Daimyo.
Again, that's strictly a hunch.
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Nice bait post. The helpless female is just a freaking child, and who jumps first into action to save her but a seemingly badass female samurai.
A female Samurai who can react at the same slow speeds as Zola and Lucy? Oda did well with the bait chapter.
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What's the deal with the Kozuki family ruling though? Tsuru said in this chapter that over 20 years ago "They had ruled over Wano, as they had been doing for a very long time."
Yeah! It's confusing. Also if it was Oden who built a castle in the area and for the first time provided the Kuri people with delicious foods by proper farming, it cast doubt about the abilities of his predecessors. I guess we need to know more before coming to any conclusion.
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i am the only one bugged by the fact that both zoro and luffy left the woman alone who was originally attacked by teh arrows while batman is still there and could kill her at any moment? Of couse next chapter he will propably have chased zoro and luffy but they could not have known that?
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i am the only one bugged by the fact that both zoro and luffy left the woman alone who was originally attacked by teh arrows while batman is still there and could kill her at any moment? Of couse next chapter he will propably have chased zoro and luffy but they could not have known that?
Well it was made clear that the target wasnt her and batman even followed them and attacked them again
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If i read OP to get that Rurouni Kenshin fix i'd have wilted and died from waiting long ago. I much prefer it when he just imagines goofy shit and/or takes another nation and runs it through the Oda wringer to where it's like the fantasy disney land version of what he'd imagine Spain to be like. When it's cookie cutter homeland stuff to me it just feels like yeah it's Zoro as a samurai, how utterly fascinating…
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While the translation is a bit confusing, I think the point they try to make is that Oden ruled for the last 20 years or more.
And it fits considering that Oden was pirate part of WB then roger's crew, so he had no way to rule wano more then 20 years ago if he was active pirate exploring the world. But after the roger pirates disbanded more then 20 years ago, Oden returns in wano 20 years ago. Or else the events from 1 month ago don't make any sense if someone else ruled wano in recent years . O kiki and o tsuru are also new here, okiki got here in the last month around the events of momonosuke escaping and them killing oden.
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I feel like I should chip in and say that I for one am loving Luffy and Zoro's adventure and how much it reminds me of their early One Piece interactions before the story got too packed and Zoro lost most of his personality.
I have enjoyed every bit of Wano since it started.
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Joined here when my country's licensed version was at Puffing Tom chasing to EL, the scanlations had Lucci defeated already, I believe.
In all those arcs I read since then, I started liking the beginning chapters of every arc less and less, because one could reasonably say that it's the same thing every time. Yes, there is some sort of illusion of variety, but the major building blocks are there every time - and it's like my 7th arc start after starting to read weekly, so I start to feel the repetitiveness of it all coming around. I'm like 'Check, here is the pretty designed girl in distress' or 'Hey, which leader character is the evil one? The shogun in this case? Check.' 'Where is the old, good ruler that's in Exile? check' - ticking off boxes I know will be featured in every arc.
Now add to that my opinion that japanese culture is so hard to understand for any non-japanese that I'm sure there will be moments when you need those translator notes to even get a grasp on why this specific thing right now has any value for the story ( like, say, the male samurai talk that is used by a female in the current arc ), and you can see why I didn't look forward to the starting chapters of this arc at all.
Moving on, Wano seems so prototypically middle-age japanese that I'm not grasped at all by the country or the adventure of it like some of you seem to have been, as it didn't surprise me once, yet. You have the political system, you have seclusion, you have discrimination of women ( funny seeing as Oda, sexismo nr 1, writes it ), you have 'honor over everything', you even have Ronin. Now I'm only two checkboxes away from winning the clichee bingo with Kabuki theatre and someone committing Seppuku.
I'm not saying that those are bad things per se, I'm saying that they didn't grab me at all, personally. I'm happy for everyone that gets a sense of fulfilment and suspense out of the current arc, I just do not ( yet ). As mentioned a few times already, having left the Reverie after some mind-blowing chapters there sure does not help Wano's case in my eyes, either.
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It is funny how if this was like sicilly the island and the gang had to dress up like mafioso and dick around in some oda-ized mafia theme park i'd be all ears and ready for the ride ( it's just been done i know but just as an example). But when it's hey they just landed on japan the island and guess what it's feudal japan and robin is a geisha and zoro is a samurai how fun and unexpected then you just instantly go….
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It is funny how if this was like sicilly the island and the gang had to dress up like mafioso and dick around in some oda-ized mafia theme park i'd be all ears and ready for the ride ( it's just been done i know but just as an example). But when it's hey they just landed on japan the island and guess what it's feudal japan and robin is a geisha and zoro is a samurai how fun and unexpected then you just instantly go….
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I kind of agree with the sentiment..but it stopped othering me after the few chapters..now i'm just "eh"
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The setting also didnt hook me that much so far to be honest. I am waiting for the big conflict to start and see how it plays out, but all these years of Wano hype didnt get me personally.
And regarding CongoJacks post, yeah one piece arcs start the same very often, I mean despite being well written the series is very formulaic, like most shounen. Kinda wish more new series would try to subvert things like HxH does with the genre.
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I think any long time reader by now should have got accustomed to stereotypical things in OP. Most of them are bearable anyway.
Also since it is supposed to be 'land of samurais' and been hyped up for past couple of years as a Japanese theme arc in OP, i can't see what else could Oda do rather than banking upon medieval/ feudal Japan as basic world design.“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
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Anyone here fluent in Japanese? I'd like to get some clarification on a translation from the latest chapter if possible.
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A tall samurai that protects an important kid of the Kozuki clan. This Kiku/Tama thing has already been done with Kinemon/Momo. :getlost:
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If Kiku and tama are part of same clan as momonosuek and kinemon, I wonder why they left them behind, doesn't look safe at all.
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Wouldn't it make sense that other influential clans are allied with the resistance? Oden was a genuine good leader apparently so have ole'friends sympathizing with the resistance is another cool factor of this arc… I could be wrong too?
Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship
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Wouldn't it make sense that other influential clans are allied with the resistance? Oden was a genuine good leader apparently so have ole'friends sympathizing with the resistance is another cool factor of this arc… I could be wrong too?
Kin'emon mentioned that samurai were gathering for a rebellion, so probably, yes.
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I think any long time reader by now should have got accustomed to stereotypical things in OP. Most of them are bearable anyway.
While there is some truth to this, it still doesn't make it any less frustrating. Just cause you get used to abuse doesn't mean the abuse is any less shit.
I'm not exactly sure where this arc could go other than "let's defeat big bad and underlings, oh look Law's here to help (again), let's split up gang, big battle where Luffy will do 95% of everything, hurray poor friends can now eat food/dictatorship toppled!"But my problems with Oda are far bigger than these same-y formulas, though. Tbh, I'm not too bothered by Wano so far. At least the scenery and characters are very unique and fun and stylized.
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Comparing a formula to abuse is… Well alright then.
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A tall samurai that protects an important kid of the Kozuki clan. This Kiku/Tama thing has already been done with Kinemon/Momo. :getlost:
Nice view of the thing, although it could be wrong because Tamais living with the swrodsmith not with Kiku. At least that they both are part of a plan we don't know about.
@Miss:
While there is some truth to this, it still doesn't make it any less frustrating. Just cause you get used to abuse doesn't mean the abuse is any less shit.
I'm not exactly sure where this arc could go other than "let's defeat big bad and underlings, oh look Law's here to help (again), let's split up gang, big battle where Luffy will do 95% of everything, hurray poor friends can now eat food/dictatorship toppled!"But my problems with Oda are far bigger than these same-y formulas, though. Tbh, I'm not too bothered by Wano so far. At least the scenery and characters are very unique and fun and stylized.
My inner kid of 12 years old enjoys really much this manga in my 51 year old body. Beyond archetipcs, clilches and machismos
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Comparing a formula to abuse is… Well alright then.
It's an unrelated analogy, please calm down.
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While I wouldn't necessarily disagree with those who have an issue with the pacing, I had quite a lot of fun with the chapter because Wano's characters are so brimming with personality. I wasn't too big on Kiku and Tsuru when they debuted, but they left an impression on me here, and I was touched when Tama got emotional after eating. While I have some obvious reservations about how much Oda will let Kiku do, I'm still looking forward to seeing her in action; maybe she'll be able to break some barriers to show how tough Wano is.
Also, I liked seeing Batman and Gazelleman's powers in action. Zou didn't make me too excited about the Gifters and their SMILEs, but it was neat seeing in this chapter the specific applications that can be used for each animal power. Their wacky appearances only make it better.
Maybe it's just me, but the start of Wano feels a lot like the start of Skypiea. The heroes are entering a strange land, but a lot about it is established immediately and the villains are in the picture pretty quickly, facilitating a more action-adventure oriented story. I'm not a big fan of Skypiea, though, so I hope Wano isn't gonna be all about this approach.
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While I wouldn't necessarily disagree with those who have an issue with the pacing, I had quite a lot of fun with the chapter because Wano's characters are so brimming with personality. I wasn't too big on Kiku and Tsuru when they debuted, but they left an impression on me here, and I was touched when Tama got emotional after eating. While I have some obvious reservations about how much Oda will let Kiku do, I'm still looking forward to seeing her in action; maybe she'll be able to break some barriers to show how tough Wano is.
Also, I liked seeing Batman and Gazelleman's powers in action. Zou didn't make me too excited about the Gifters and their SMILEs, but it was neat seeing in this chapter the specific applications that can be used for each animal power. Their wacky appearances only make it better.
Maybe it's just me, but the start of Wano feels a lot like the start of Skypiea. The heroes are entering a strange land, but a lot about it is established immediately and the villains are in the picture pretty quickly, facilitating a more action-adventure oriented story. I'm not a big fan of Skypiea, though, so I hope Wano isn't gonna be all about this approach.
Hey kaido if you had to make a tier list of arcs in one piece what would it be? Ive never heard you say a lot on the matter and seeing it split into 4-6 tiers would be interest me
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Kind of bugged me that Luffy didn't instantly catch up to gazelleman with his own crazy speed.
He could have used Gear 2nd and caught him in seconds. But if he did that they won't get to that town this soon. We have seen Oda do this so many times it stopped bothering me.
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I guess we won't be seeing another Snakeman. :ninja:
@Miss:
It's an unrelated analogy, please calm down.
Weird assumption that I'm not…
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@Miss:
It's an unrelated analogy, please calm down.
16 chars of paradox? :wassat:
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Playing with stereotypes can be fun and smart as long as it's not harmful. Not only it does the job of setting the starting point of a subject for the audience (using a common ground as a shortcut), but you can also throw in some twists, deconstructions, social critique, exaggerations, and emphasize the beauty or the bad of something. That's all good techniques of communication. You just can't be stuck forever into the stereotype, otherwise it gets boring and old quickly.
Up until now, Wano is doing a fine job.
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Playing with stereotypes can be fun and smart as long as it's not harmful. Not only it does the job of setting the starting point of a subject for the audience (using a common ground as a shortcut), but you can also throw in some twists, deconstructions, social critique, exaggerations, and emphasize the beauty or the bad of something. That's all good techniques of communication. You just can't be stuck forever into the stereotype, otherwise it gets boring and old quickly.
Up until now, Wano is doing a fine job.
I think the more the Beasts Pirates get involved, the better. The interactions between old-fashioned, honor-bearing citizens and freaky wild animals could be quite fun.
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On one hand, you do got to have the basic info and exploration to get your feet wet. But so far, it's not exactly living up to the "piss your pants in sheer excitement" level that's been hyped up so much right now.
It's like "Oh, this is all right", not "Oh, wow, this is so cool!".
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On one hand, you do got to have the basic info and exploration to get your feet wet. But so far, it's not exactly living up to the "piss your pants in sheer excitement" level that's been hyped up so much right now.
It's like "Oh, this is all right", not "Oh, wow, this is so cool!".
Well no duh like we just started the arc, the momentuem hasnt kicked in.
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Well no duh like we just started the arc, the momentuem hasnt kicked in.
I know, I know. Just….a little middling, that's all. Probably doesn't help we just have only two of our intrepid heroes ATM.
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This arc had the possibility of already starting in a big climax, since so much had already been established and built up to, but everything that people were daydreaming about is still in the horizon despite the timid beginning (with a fast pace): the big fight against Kaidou and his crew (and Big Mom, possibly), a lot of popular characters hanging around to please everyone's tastes, the history of the Kouzuki clan and perhaps some info about the Void Century and the Dawn of the World.
I, for one, am happy to feel the atmosphere of Wano and all its different sceneries (this chapter was beautiful to look at) and to finally get to appreciate Zoro again after so many years insatisfied with his portrayal (and that's better than having all the Strawhats together just for the sake of it). The new characters have grown on me too thanks to this last chapter. Of course, I also have my personal criticism to the last few chapters and the contrived presentation of some topics. All things considered, this is an enjoyable start to the arc in my opinion. Nobody is obliged to like it, obviously, but there's also the fact that that most readers don't have the patience to live in the present of the weekly reading and get lost in their own wishlist and internal fanfics.
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@Miss:
While there is some truth to this, it still doesn't make it any less frustrating. Just cause you get used to abuse doesn't mean the abuse is any less shit.
I'm not exactly sure where this arc could go other than "let's defeat big bad and underlings, oh look Law's here to help (again), let's split up gang, big battle where Luffy will do 95% of everything, hurray poor friends can now eat food/dictatorship toppled!"But my problems with Oda are far bigger than these same-y formulas, though. Tbh, I'm not too bothered by Wano so far. At least the scenery and characters are very unique and fun and stylized.
I don't know where a lot of arcs can go sometimes and they still surprise me by doing something different.
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Hey kaido if you had to make a tier list of arcs in one piece what would it be? Ive never heard you say a lot on the matter and seeing it split into 4-6 tiers would be interest me
Never really put a lot of thought into ranking all the arcs. Throwing something together real quick, it might be something like this
A Tier: Water 7, Alabasta, Marineford, Arlong Park, Jaya, WCI
B Tier: Impel Down, Dressrosa, Sabaody, Drum Island, Davy Back Fight
C Tier: Thriller Bark, Fishman Island, Zou, Baratie, Little Garden, Romance Dawn
D Tier: Skypiea, Punk Hazard, Syrup Village, Loguetown
F Tier: Whiskey Peak, Amazon Lily, Reverse Mountain, Orange TownI don't really think there's an arc that I straight-up dislike. The bottom tier ones I just care about the least and wouldn't really feel inclined to reread.
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Never really put a lot of thought into ranking all the arcs. Throwing something together real quick, it might be something like this
A Tier: Water 7, Alabasta, Marineford, Arlong Park, Jaya, WCI
B Tier: Impel Down, Dressrosa, Sabaody, Drum Island, Davy Back Fight
C Tier: Thriller Bark, Fishman Island, Zou, Baratie, Little Garden, Romance Dawn
D Tier: Skypiea, Punk Hazard, Syrup Village, Loguetown
F Tier: Whiskey Peak, Amazon Lily, Reverse Mountain, Orange TownI don't really think there's an arc that I straight-up dislike. The bottom tier ones I just care about the least and wouldn't really feel inclined to reread.
Were pretty close the only major differences are I have Skypiea as an A, and probably Drum island as a D. Still really like drum but there's a few thing that arc is missing that arcs I have above it have more of. Wapol is kind of funny but as a villain he's a bit lacking, the setting is relatively plain and the fights are just kind of there. Kureha is awesome and all the notes about Chopper and his flashback are great but it really leans on that and though its important the rest just seems a bit lacking in energy. Admittedly part of that is probably by design since alabasta was coming next but for an arc with such a goofy villain not a ton of it felt that fun to me.
All my opinion though, and besides that were actually pretty close.
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On one hand, you do got to have the basic info and exploration to get your feet wet. But so far, it's not exactly living up to the "piss your pants in sheer excitement" level that's been hyped up so much right now.
It's like "Oh, this is all right", not "Oh, wow, this is so cool!".
This arc is going to be the longest arc in the OP, i can safely bet on that. So the starting doesn't bother me. The only thing that bugged me down recently was how Reverie was cut short. I will be heavily pissed if everything else were to be off-panneled and we only hear it afterward(there is a good chance of it though).
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Do the flags in the cover page represent different pirate crews? What will be Bellamy's story about?
I am looking forward to the flashback, when we get to see Amigasa, Okobore before Orochi and Kaido took over.
Tama is adorable. I especially like the different interactions she is getting with Zoro and Luffy.
Is O-Kiku a transgender?
Luffy was surprised Tsuru saw through them, it always makes me laugh.
Interesting, I was under the impression that Kaido had taken over Oden's castle, but with this chapter, it does not seem like that is where he was staying, and the castle seems to have been destroyed.
I wouldn't be surprised if Oden lost the Shogun position when he decided to become a pirate.
I had hoped the theft was Nami, but that does not seem possible as it occurred one week ago. I like how Luffy just stands there knowing that Zoro will parry all the shots.
Someone mentioned it before, but I so hope that there is a 7 Samurai reference.
As I was thinking O-Tama's ability is pretty useful, especially with her focus on being a ninja. I wonder how well the control translates on humans.
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Zou is the best arc post TS and it is if anything C level.
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Is O-Kiku a transgender?
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Zou is the best arc post TS and it is if anything C level.
dunno, I found it loaded with boring characters here and there, tho some of their designs are priceless, still Orlombus fleet Yonta Maria sounds much more interesting than the entire population of Zou
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Zolo & luffy team was fun when the crew had only 2 crew members, but these days having to separate the crew all the time, leave most of them offpanel doing whatever they could do on enemy land, doesn't work anymore.
And it doesn't look like it's going to change. Right now oda is reuniting the supernovas, law, hawkins, zolo, luffy since they seem to be the main cast this arc that will team up on the yonkou. It's really hard to call the full crew the main cast anymore, they are way too many main cast members in each arc. And If that was not enough, you also get temporary straw hats like carrot or pedro, the samurais.
