@S.C.:
Social Media is a big mistake, in general.
Totally, whoever thought giving all dumb people platforms to poop their opinions out, was a big turd.
@S.C.:
Social Media is a big mistake, in general.
Totally, whoever thought giving all dumb people platforms to poop their opinions out, was a big turd.
What he said and tweeted is unacceptable and cruel, no beats about it.
Handing him a scarlet letter over something over five years ago, when he is clearly a better person and has evolved, is a VERY bad precedent.
If he said that YESTERDAY, then that's a total different ballgame, but we shouldn't be hanging people out to dry over stuff they've said in their past. Within the bounds of reason, logic, and context of course.
No subject is taboo for joke making. But context and audience and how the joke is constructed matter.
Cernovich being one of the big movers behind this is extremely problematic, since he's a bona fide rape apologist.
Don't know how to feel about this one. Disney is protecting their brand (a hypocritical, false brand, but a brand nonetheless). Thought everyone already knew Gunn came up as an edgelord. But think he should have been given some chance to show he had changed.
Perhaps selfish of me. Lord knows I'm ashamed of some of the things I thought and said ten to fifteen years ago.
ANyway, if Gunn isn't doing part 3 I guess I can stop caring about the MCU after Avengers 4 retires everyone I actually care about.
Far as I'm concerned, he made shitty awful jokes. Over a decade ago. Whatever. If he made them yesterday that'd be a different matter.
Why is Johnny Depp still getting work?
There's always going to be celebrities that people just forgive and or forget. Alec Baldwin said really shitty stuff to his daughter. Chris Brown still has a disturbing amount of female fans. People still like Johnny Depp for some reason. People were starting to forgive Mel Gibson. Lena Dunham is still allowed a platform.
I dunno. I think it's just luck/bad luck if a celebrity gets blacklisted.
To play devil's advocate for a moment:
If you're not gonna hold Gunn's comments against him because they're over ten years old, then maybe don't hold Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" comment to him either.
I mean, fuck, people still work with Woody Allen for some godforsaken reason.
To play devil's advocate for a moment:
If you're not gonna hold Gunn's comments against him because they're over ten years old, then maybe don't hold Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" comment to him either.
To play Devil's advocate to your Devil's advocate, has Trump ever apologized for that statement and shown that he's changed from discriminating against women and other minorities as both a person and politician? Has Gunn apologized for his tweets and had no trace of those disgusting jokes as both a person and creator in the years since those posts?
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the context of Trump's quote was him literally giving advice to people on how they should act from personal experience. During a personal interview, no less. Gunn hasn't acted on any of those awful things he said and the context at the time were still jokes in offensive ugly taste, but he at least still intended for them to be taken as non-serious jokes. Misguided in place, time, and audience, yes, but not taken seriously.
Just Saiyan, there are way better Devil's advocate whataboutism comparisons you can make.
@Count:
To play Devil's advocate to your Devil's advocate, has Trump ever apologized for that statement and shown that he's changed from discriminating against women and other minorities as both a person and politician? Has Gunn apologized for his tweets and had no trace of those disgusting jokes as both a person and creator in the years since those posts?
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the context of Trump's quote was him literally giving advice to people on how they should act from personal experience. During a personal interview, no less. Gunn hasn't acted on any of those awful things he said and the context at the time were still jokes in offensive ugly taste, but he at least still intended for them to be taken as non-serious jokes. Misguided in place, time, and audience, yes, but not taken seriously.
Just Saiyan, there are way better Devil's advocate whataboutism comparisons you can make.
Well, that's why it was a devil's advocate because I wasn't sure what to think about it as I hadn't thought through the whole thing and didn't have all the facts.
But thank you for showing me the way, oh enlightened one.
Well, that's why it was a devil's advocate because I wasn't sure what to think about it as I hadn't thought through the whole thing and didn't have all the facts.
But thank you for showing me the way, oh enlightened one.
I'm going to assume you aren't being condescendingly sarcastic and honestly appreciate my feedback. I hope I didn't seem passive aggressive or taking a side, I just didn't think that was a fair comparison at all. And I'm speaking as someone who barely knows about politics.
Who would have guessed that the Left, in their rush to make ANYONE who ever said ANYTHING "problematic" and give them a scarlet letter would be giving right-wing nutjobs the perfect weapon to use against people they don't like.
Nuance, moderation, taking a deep breath before rushing to judgment, looking at the full picture. Social Media destroyed all of those, and now people are going to use it against them.
People say stupid shit.
Everyone has, YOU have probably said stupid ignorant and hateful things you wish you could take back. I know I have. I know probably everyone on this forum has.
Second chances, benefit of the doubt, judging who they are TODAY, not who they were, use to be common sense things. Yes, that must come with a realization of the situation and the context of the words, but destroying people's careers and lives because of dumb comments, that's just wrong.
Ok, except Roseanne, the most recent conservative to get this so-called scarlet letter and get fired for doing shitty stuff just… KEPT GETTING second chances... like, a lot of them. like a lot a lot of them.
They kept putting up with her shit and just asking her real nice to tone it down and stop. And she didn't.
It was squandering her... like, 82nd second chance that got her fired...
Stop with that. "The Left ruined society" Junk please.
Pretty cool to see the same people who lost their shit over Snyder's Batman-prison-rape comments now defend a motherfucker who made dozens of pedophile rape jokes as "he was just a young, innocent 30-year old at the time!"
Were people mad at Snyder specifically because he made a comment about Rape? I never was. The reason that pissed me off was because he thought an acceptable piece of subject matter for a BATMAN movie was to have Batman himself Raped in prison. He obviously didn't end up doing that and I don't think anyone ever expected him to, I mean WB wouldn't let him, but the statement was about the tonal direction he had in mind for the character and I always thought that was ass backwards but not because "He said a thing about Rape!" but because it meant he didn't know shit about the character he was now tasked with making a movie about…. and the finished product kinda shows I was right to be fearful here.
I'm extremely mixed on this.
The jokes were terrible, but he was called out for them in 2012 and apologized for them back then. Disney had to have known about these tweets when they hired him and looked through his social media history. They were right there in the open.
So why now does Disney decide to fire him when they knew about the tweets and Gunn's apology?
I'm sure you all can guess why.
Wait, this was already a settled issue? Like he had apologized and moved on and everybody knew about this back when? I'm even more on James Gunn's side of this now…
This has been hard... like, super hard.... because the shit he said was just so awful.......
Ok, except Roseanne, the most recent conservative to get this so-called scarlet letter and get fired for doing shitty stuff just… KEPT GETTING second chances... like, a lot of them. like a lot a lot of them.
They kept putting up with her shit and just asking her real nice to tone it down and stop. And she didn't.
It was squandering her... like, 82nd second chance that got her fired...
Stop with that. "The Left ruined society" Junk please.
But that's the problem. Roseanne absolutely should have been punished years ago because she has shown she hasn't changed and still thinks she can get away with that stuff, Gunn did that, clearly has changed as a person and has made strides to better himself.
But that doesn't matter to the people who created outrage culture, they've made it so anyone, regardless of context and time, can be shitcanned or have their careers and lives destroyed for anything they might have said, regardless of whether or not it was in good taste, bad taste, or if they've changed as a person. That has lead to some good things, but it has also been horrible
Roseanne and James Gunn are not the same incidents, but social media has decided to take everything and toss it into one bowl, using a "one size fits all" approach to dealing with it. Don't you think the alt-right and others are gonna use that and show no mercy?
I'm not defending either of them, but taking a shotgun like an approach to every incident like this, without taking the time to investigate, look at history, past actions and make a responsible and informed decision is a vital part of being a healthy society.
Taika Waititi for Guardians 3 would be perfect.
To play devil's advocate for a moment:
If you're not gonna hold Gunn's comments against him because they're over ten years old, then maybe don't hold Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" comment to him either.
- Running for public office is different than being an artist.
- Trump still says that shit daily, that's just the explicit sample we have on tape. There are hundreds of hours of apprentice footage that presumably contain similar.
3)Trump was bragging about his actual practices, not making a joke. Practices that he does with apparent regularity.
4)Gunn appologized for those things years ago.
5)Disney alreeady knew about those comments before they hired him.
Those tweets came to light in 2012, people saw them and he apologized, nobody did anything. They now came up again during a time where the Internet is #Woke, the MeToo movement is in full effect and people are outraged at everything.
Disney has this kidfriendly image, that they now have to uphold, considering the tasteless jokes where full of the Pedo and rape kind.
They had to do it, especially since they ride this everybody hating star wars is a sexist pig etc wave. He should have deleted them years ago, what‘s done is done.
But that's the problem. Roseanne absolutely should have been punished years ago because she has shown she hasn't changed and still thinks she can get away with that stuff, Gunn did that, clearly has changed as a person and has made strides to better himself.
But that doesn't matter to the people who created outrage culture, they've made it so anyone, regardless of context and time, can be shitcanned or have their careers and lives destroyed for anything they might have said, regardless of whether or not it was in good taste, bad taste, or if they've changed as a person. That has lead to some good things, but it has also been horrible
Roseanne and James Gunn are not the same incidents, but social media has decided to take everything and toss it into one bowl, using a "one size fits all" approach to dealing with it. Don't you think the alt-right and others are gonna use that and show no mercy?
I'm not defending either of them, but taking a shotgun like an approach to every incident like this, without taking the time to investigate, look at history, past actions and make a responsible and informed decision is a vital part of being a healthy society.
Ok, but I brought up Roseanne because the thing you're complaining about specifically did NOT happen there. Roseanne was NOT Shitcanned the first time she did something stupid. She was given several chances. SEVERAL chances. The Holocaust Cookies thing was a known quantity being shared on social media when the revival was first announced. But they got all the way through season one and were in pre-production on Season 2 before she finally did that one thing too many and got herself fired.
James Gunn isn't an example of the "Norm" James Gunn is an unfortunate overreaction by Disney after the Roseanne situation, which is what the Alt-Right assholes pushing this wanted. They got Gunn fired because Disney wants to appear "Fair" and doesn't want to look like they fired a conservative for something stupid but not an outspoken Liberal.
Those tweets came to light in 2012, people saw them and he apologized, nobody did anything. They now came up again during a time where the Internet is #Woke, the MeToo movement is in full effect and people are outraged at everything.
Disney has this kidfriendly image, that they now have to uphold, considering the tasteless jokes where full of the Pedo and rape kind.
They had to do it, especially since they ride this everybody hating star wars is a sexist pig etc wave. He should have deleted them years ago, what‘s done is done.
Except… they don't do that.... at all....
?Except… they don't do that.... at all....
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Riiiight. Ruin Johnson calling people critisizing disney wars gamergaters is sure not something they would do.
Ok, but I brought up Roseanne because the thing you're complaining about specifically did NOT happen there. Roseanne was NOT Shitcanned the first time she did something stupid. She was given several chances. SEVERAL chances. The Holocaust Cookies thing was a known quantity being shared on social media when the revival was first announced. But they got all the way through season one and were in pre-production on Season 2 before she finally did that one thing too many and got herself fired.
James Gunn isn't an example of the "Norm" James Gunn is an unfortunate overreaction by Disney after the Roseanne situation, which is what the Alt-Right assholes pushing this wanted. They got Gunn fired because Disney wants to appear "Fair" and doesn't want to look like they fired a conservative for something stupid but not an outspoken Liberal.
You're right, it is an overreaction, but that overreaction exists in large part because we've been living in years of outrage culture, where any slight can be a career ender. Now people on the alt right, etc are discovering they can weaponize the left's morality and indignation against them, which is why this entire James Gunn incident happened in the first place.
Roseanne taking this long to be removed from her show is bad, and it shines a light on how celebrities are given way more free passes, something that absolutely should change.
Again, there is a big difference between somebody on taping admitting how he HAS sexually assaulted people, with numerous claims from others, and really shitty tweets from a decade earlier.
And even so, it's absolute, undefendable hypocrisy from Disney and Marvel for every second they have Robert Downey Junior.
Riiiight. Ruin Johnson calling people critisizing disney wars gamergaters is sure not something they would do.
I follow Rian Johnson on Twitter and I've seen him call out the haters and he ALWAYS calls out the assholes and is specific that he's calling them out.
Like or hate the film, you can't deny there are people being epic massive assholes. There are people who's critiques of the film do include such bullshit as "Holdo having a purple hair means tumblr means bad" instead of focusing on the actual faults of the films. There are people who think that a reasonable reaction to not liking this movie is attacking people who worked on the movie on Social Media until they delete their accounts.
He's only ever calling those specific people out.
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I can't find a single example of Rian Johnson saying "IF YOU DISLIKED AND/OR CRITICIZED THIS MOVIE AT ALL YOU ARE A TOXIC ASSHOLE!!" He's very specific about the fact that when he calls people out, he's specifically calling out the toxic assholes.
Now, with that context in mind,
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@Brian Young On Twitter:
I think Star Wars fans would do well to give this article a read. Some of the same players (and new ones) are pulling the same crap here in our sandbox.
@Rian Johnson's Response:
I’m always amazed how few people know about Gamergate. It’s not only the key to understanding so many violent harassment campaigns going on today, it’s lots of the same people angry about the same stuff using the same playbook.
Once again, no mention of "I'm talking about Everybody who hated the movie" whatsoever. This statement easily fits in with earlier statements about how he's calling out the toxic assholes specifically and if you just dislike the movie and want to criticize it, he's not talking to you.
I guess, he just got…. GUNNed!!
ok I'm out.
I guess, he just got…. GUNNed!!
ok I'm out.
You should have gone for a Gunn down joke I think.
I wonder if Coulson will be similar to the TV version or more strict in captain marvel. One thing in the first season was that death changed him but I can see them just going with the more well known personality he had in the last years.
Relevant, I guess
Who knew the wholesome Disney could fire a Gunn. :ninja:
Guess it is now a Gunn free zone. xD
They got Gunn fired because Disney wants to appear "Fair" and doesn't want to look like they fired a conservative for something stupid but not an outspoken Liberal.
A better approximation of this is how ESPN (owned by parent company Disney) dropped Hank William Jr. for making comments about Obama, then a few years later suspending and basically forcing Jemele Hill off of SportCenter for making comments about Trump and Jerry Jones.
Apparently labing the 45th President of The United States a white supremacist and dunking on one of his supporters who supports a dumb idea pushed by him, is the same as likening the 44th President as a Nazi.
Taika Waititi for Guardians 3 would be perfect.
I agree, isn't he the guy who directed What We Do In the Shadows? Hilarious.
Taika Waititi would be a terrible choice, I love Thor Ragnarok but that movie is a near parody. Waititi is too much of a comedian, he doesn't have the dark, serious edge that Gunn has.
You're right, it is an overreaction, but that overreaction exists in large part because we've been living in years of outrage culture, where any slight can be a career ender. Now people on the alt right, etc are discovering they can weaponize the left's morality and indignation against them, which is why this entire James Gunn incident happened in the first place.
Roseanne taking this long to be removed from her show is bad, and it shines a light on how celebrities are given way more free passes, something that absolutely should change.
Yeah I don't think it's really the case of a "weapon" that the left created and the right are using it… Why in the world are you trying to spin this into a "Left vs Right" thing, anyway?
You also seem to act like this "Outrage culture" (is that even a real term?) is a bad thing in itself. Uhh, just broadly speaking here but in terms like Trump or Weinstein stuff, yeah, we should be outraged. Y'know, call people out and hold them accountable to stuff.
Sure there's nuance to the Gunn situation but I'm still thinking on it to be honest.
…And what's with your tendency to constantly go "HA, told you so, America!" when you feel the need to dip into political topics?
Not even sure why I'm replying because I get the feeling you'll only double down on your stance so it's whatever.
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@Count:
Tony keeps getting trashed on nonstop and is somehow still marketed as a hero. His entire track record post-Iron Man 3 is about messing things up one way or another to no end. And he's supposed to be the first Avenger (pun intended), the leading figure of this cinematic universe. It freaking boggles my mind why Marvel treats him like… like... comic book Hank Pym with no redeeming moments lol.
Feel like I lost steam for the Cap debate since the thread has now uh, changed to something altogether different, but this is definitely something that has bothered me about the films, too. Seeing Stark making mistakes is fine and I like to think it's done to show his motivation and struggle to be a hero… but yeah, seeing it on the movies on their own is one thing, but then glancing at the overall arc with all the movies he seriously is portrayed to look like he just can't win and it's kinda depressing.
Makes Ultron with good intent, and that goes belly up. Then Civil War (even though my thoughts haven't changed much on it), and then Infinity War. I feel bad he's just constantly losing.
I think I'll feel better about it overall if they really do him justice in Avengers 4, but it'd probably have to be a pretty killer redemption arc.
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@TLC:
Taika Waititi would be a terrible choice, I love Thor Ragnarok but that movie is a near parody. Waititi is too much of a comedian, he doesn't have the dark, serious edge that Gunn has.
As much as I liked Thor Ragnarok, I wasn't crazy about it and there were times that I was worried Thor was being flanderized (doesn't go that far, thankfully), but I don't think "serious edge" is the right word for Gunn's Guardians. Maybe "emotional heart", as each film definitely touched on the idea of family. Waititi strikes me as someone who'd do a sufficient job of it.
You also seem to act like this "Outrage culture" (is that even a real term?) is a bad thing in itself. Uhh, just broadly speaking here but in terms like Trump or Weinstein stuff, yeah, we should be outraged. Y'know, call people out and hold them accountable to stuff.
Sure there's nuance to the Gunn situation but I'm still thinking on it to be honest.
Outrage culture, which is a very real thing, has led to good things. It's allowed people like Weinstein and over scumbags who've skated by to be held accountable where they were once untouchable, that was a good thing, and that outrage was justified. However that doesn't mean it hasn't caused mountains of problems, and like I said before, a "one size fits all" approach that outrage culture takes to problems like these is an overall bad thing.
@TLC:
Taika Waititi would be a terrible choice, I love Thor Ragnarok but that movie is a near parody. Waititi is too much of a comedian, he doesn't have the dark, serious edge that Gunn has.
…..Guardians Of The Galaxy was a dark and serious film, like Batman vs Superman levels of dark and serious?
…..Guardians Of The Galaxy was a dark and serious film, like Batman vs Superman levels of dark and serious?
Remember the opening scene where child Peter has to say goodbye to his dying of a brain tumor mother?
@Count:
while Tony keeps getting trashed on nonstop and is somehow still marketed as a hero. His entire track record post-Iron Man 3 is about messing things up one way or another to no end. And he's supposed to be the first Avenger (pun intended), the leading figure of this cinematic universe. It freaking boggles my mind why Marvel treats him like… like... comic book Hank Pym with no redeeming moments lol
As much as I love (LOVE) Chris Evans's portrayal as Captain America, RDJ's Tony Stark has cemented himself as my main character in the MCU, period, partially for these exact reasons, like he's had the most development compared to the others. Part of it is yes, being in the most amount of MCU films, but there's just so many things I find fascinating.
-the initial desire to stop his weapons from getting into the wrong hands
-relationship with Howard Stark
-the fears and nightmares in a post-Avengers world
-a father-esque figure to Spidey, in lieu of Uncle Ben (what is the official stance, he IS dead in MCU yes?)
-rivalry + bonds with Cap
Coming off the heels of Infinity War was painful to watch,
! not only does Peter plead to Tony, the kid dies in his arms, and worse of all, Strange gave up the Time Stone specifically to save Tony, asserting that it was the ONLY way?? When the two were snipping at each other earlier in the film! That's not even considering that Drax/Starlord/Mantis all vanished before his eyes too, leaving only Nebula, a total stranger.
! Even WORSE is the chance that Pepper and Happy could be gone too.
So I really hope Tony can truly save the day come Avengers 4. I won't even mind if the character has to "die", because he's been such a driving force of interest for me in the MCU.
Also sorry Mario, I liked Winter Soldier a lot…..Civil War less so, though. Part of that was because well....it was more Avengers 2.5 and less Cap 3.
@Count:
I don't mind Cap being a moral ideal. I just wish his reckless and naive moral decisions, that he usually forces on everybody else while differing opinions always have to look incompetent or antagonistic, didn't always pay off like he thinks.
For example, Luffy is kind of similar in having a simplistic and reckless sense of justice, albeit a more selfish kind. But it's balanced out with his regular stupidity, lack of talent outside combat, and constantly improving how he fights. Thus making his heroics interesting, suspenseful, and inspiring.
Cap is a more selfless straightlaced version of that but without the compelling flaws. The narrative always finds a way to bend over and kiss his ass no matter how impulsive or biased he might initially seem.
I don't need Cap brooding, having a grey sense of morality, or constantly having guilt trips like most modern heroes do. I'm always fine with classic black-and-white ethics superhero tales. He should stand out and be confidently inspiring.
But I wish he didn't always have to look like the best guy ever while Tony keeps getting trashed on nonstop and is somehow still marketed as a hero. His entire track record post-Iron Man 3 is about messing things up one way or another to no end. And he's supposed to be the first Avenger (pun intended), the leading figure of this cinematic universe. It freaking boggles my mind why Marvel treats him like… like... comic book Hank Pym with no redeeming moments lol.
Would it really be the worst thing in the world if one of Cap's rash actions bites him in the ass and the movie rightfully acknowledges it as his fault? That he reevaluates how he operates as a hero and leader even a little? That's one thing I can at least give Tony credit for even though he always lets his ego or emotions get ahead of him.
Also, the main problem with Civil War is that it forgets its unique premise about superhero accountability two-thirds through the movie and morphs into a generic conflict about why revenge is bad and everything that seemed like complex moral arguments was just an evil mastermind ploy to exploit insecurities. That and the main conflict being Bucky being framed is just boring and makes the pro-registration side look like idiots instead of having a viable point.
I did a semi marathon of the Marvel before infinity war and Cap might be the one I appreciate the most in how he evolves movies to movies.
In the first movie you see what makes him "special" even tho no one else can see it. He has good intention but truly he sucks and can't do what he hopes to do. Then thankfully they gave the best steroids in the world and he becomes a propaganda machine which will help later. Like usual he is unthreatening and no takes him seriously and it takes him fighting Nazi for the army to properly respect him.
We move to the whole Avengers. The whole movie is Cap being oblivious to how the world works. He is 100% convince they should just follow shield(as he is a good soldier) while the other Avengers are trying to make him realize that maybe questioning authorities is not such a bad thing. He proves to be a decent but clearly he is portrayed as way to idealistic and blind to the reality. Tony questioning Fury and revealing his weapons is what the movie portrays as the right way to go. Be the good guy but don't be a sheep. So on that alone I disagree on Cap being portrayed as always right. It also has I consider to be Caps worst moment and most out of character when he keeps trying to have Tony fight him.
Then Winter Soldier hit and to me it pays off well on may things. First of all, they stop low key dimishing how impressive Cap is and prove that just like the other avengers he has great abilities. That might seems unnecessary but I think it is important in showing that he is not just a sidekick. Also it's when you see him actually questioning authority as pay off of when Tony made him realize that blindly following was not a good idea. It's the first time that being a nice guy is truly a positive thing during the whole movie rather than something grown up makes fun of. That's what makes him the one Fury trust, that's what makes Black Widow becomes real friend, that's what(with the propanga) makes the moment where he inspires Shield agent works. To me that's when he becomes captain America. A strong inspiring figure not the low key joke that no one pays mind to. It also has him and Falcon bond over their shared history has ex-military man and his banter with Black Window that he is a regular human despite his great morals. The Clash between how "ideal" he is and how gritty and grounded the rest is shows you that he can hang out anywhere rather than feel out of place.
Age of Ultron touches on how he doesn't know who he is anymore outside of battle.
Avenger 2.5 is him putting his foot down because he used to worked for an agency that would do their best but that ended up making terrible mistake and that colrs his choice to prefer making his own decisions.
In comparaison Tony is a petulant that never learns up until Civil War. Tony's vision of how things should work is to never listen to anyone do wathever he wants and if it doesn't go his way throw money and his invventions at it. And there's nothing that annoys me more. I would also say that Age Ultron is more in character of how Tony would react to his trauma than Iron Man 3 that may be fun but should have had another plot for Tony.
And this why I don't like Tony. It literally took his robot robot dropping a city on everyone's head to finally reevaluate his choices or the way he acts. And even then in typical Tony fashion he tries to divert the blame from him to all the Avengers. He continue to treat Pepper and his company the same way throught the movies. He continue to be reckless and a dick to everyone throughout the movies. What is the development of Tony?
Thankfully post Civil war he got much better and actually seems to finally grow and he is one of my favorite parts of Infinity war in how it pays off on his trauma and all his effort to be ready for that day. That and his relation with Peter in Homecoming. I guess all he needed was crashing a city on some civilians to finally evolve.
A better approximation of this is how ESPN (owned by parent company Disney) dropped Hank William Jr. for making comments about Obama, then a few years later suspending and basically forcing Jemele Hill off of SportCenter for making comments about Trump and Jerry Jones.
Apparently labing the 45th President of The United States a white supremacist and dunking on one of his supporters who supports a dumb idea pushed by him, is the same as likening the 44th President as a Nazi.
It probably has more to do with corporate America owning our politicians from both major parties and not wanting to upset that balance. It doesn't matter what somebody does and say, if Disney needs a favor (which it always does) it needs to keep any criticism of our politicians and our system off the air and punishable.
And this why I don't like Tony. It literally took his robot robot dropping a city on everyone's head to finally reevaluate his choices or the way he acts. And even then in typical Tony fashion he tries to divert the blame from him to all the Avengers. He continue to treat Pepper and his company the same way throught the movies. He continue to be reckless and a dick to everyone throughout the movies. What is the development of Tony?
To be fair Tony has a point about blame, since Hulk is pretty hard to control if not under ideal circumstances, but he himself was the one who built and implemented the Hulkbuster so Tony telling Steve that "WE" need to be put in check, was a total dick move and had nothing to do with the only other real loose cannon on the team. He had to feel like the good guy even if that meant crippling (literally) his best friends.
To be fair Tony has a point about blame, since Hulk is pretty hard to control if not under ideal circumstances, but he himself was the one who built and implemented the Hulkbuster so Tony telling Steve that "WE" need to be put in check, was a total dick move and had nothing to do with the only other real loose cannon on the team. He had to feel like the good guy even if that meant crippling (literally) his best friends.
Hulk (who was actually mind control as opposed to Tony) left the planet after all that. He didn't try to pretend that everything happened because of the rest of his team.
Hulk (who was actually mind control as opposed to Tony) left the planet after all that. He didn't try to pretend that everything happened because of the rest of his team.
The one legitimate other Avenger he could have hid behind, is all I'm saying; I did point out that Tony didn't even bother trying to do that and just lumped everyone else together in that despite having an excuse to say, "Well, Big Green did tear up South Africa…"
And to an extent, Tony WAS mind-controlled. Things could have played out differently without Wanda's apocalyptic vision she put in his head. Not making excuses for him, just pointing out that like I said, under ideal circumstances only is Hulk able to be reasonably controlled (though with time he gets more stable, they just didn't have the two years from between Ultron and Ragnarok to test that), and having Scarlet Witch magic in his head ain't ideal.
Stop buying into the fake outrage says Bob? As if their sjw side isnt outraged at every little thing themselves these days.
Don't use sjw as an insult unironically or to refer to a "side". It shows a complete lack of understanding about… basically everything the idea encompasses about human decency.
I want minorities to be treated fairly without being murdered by cops. I want women to be treated equally to men and get paid the same for doing the same jobs. I want gay folks to be able to marry (with all the benefits that entails) and adopt kids. I want the rich to stop stealing from the poor. I want literal nazis to not walk the streets carrying torches.
Those are the sort of things a "social justice warrior" wants. Hardly crazy demands.
Lumping all people together that are asking for common human decency as "sjw's" and treating that like its a bad thing or its some crazy extremist group is just... silly.
Yeah, I've hit the point where I stop taking anybody seriously who uses "SJW" unironically.
Especially because the same kind of people who will whine about "SJWs stiffling freedom of speech by complaining and making artists change their art!!" will turn around and demand that an artist change their art if that art happens to include something progressive.
Gay character in Mortal Kombat? GET DAT GAY CRAP OUT OF MY GAME!!
Pakistani Muslim Ms. Marvel which is a really fun book? "GET THAT CRAP OUTTA MY COMICS!!!*"
Ellie is a Lesbian in Last of Us 2? "THIS IS THE CANCER THAT IS RUINING VIDEO GAMES!!"
The people who whine about SJWs are very pro-freedom of speech until someone says something progressive, then they get just as demanding about changing speech as anybody else, and this is how they've always acted.
Anything that aligns with their views is art and freedom of speech dictates it not be criticized just in case the artists take the criticism and change it, but anything they disagree with is fair game to attack and try to get changed.
*I Had a link here but I don't wanna give the guy YT views
Kung Jin is gay? I legit never knew that.
I haven't even played a Mortal Kombat since like…2. I forgot there's even a story lol.
So, there's a new Lego DC movie coming out which is including Jessica Cruz as the Green Lantern in it.
I was recently in a thread elsewhere where this sparked your standard "GET THAT SJW FEMINISTY CRAP OUT OF MY FACE!!! GREEN LANTERN IS A MAN!!" When plenty of replies helpfully pointing out that no, Green Lantern is not a man, it's an entire Corps of different people.
The guy was then like "Well, in this case it's ok then I guess, but SJWs are also ruining Captain America! They're swapping him out for a Female Captain America!!".
In which I have now helpfully pointed out to him that this is happening in "Exiles" which is a book starring a Multiverse-hopping team of alternate heroes. IE: Version of Spider-Man who has the carnage symbiote and is a mass killer. "Peggy Carter as Cap" exists only in this book.
I've yet to get a response.
Do these people whining about SJWs in comics not actually read them most of the time?…
Pretty much. It reminds me of those people crapping all over this woman for doing a cosplay saying she was trying too hard by combining too many character ideas. Joker, Harley Steampunk goth look. But she was playing a specific character. Just not a well known one I guess lol.
Also when people gripe about April O'Neil being black "now" but didn't know about her original appearance where she was definitely not white.
Robby pretty much stated what I felt about the use of sjw. It's bizarre to me that people like to crap on progressives cause we want people to not get stepped on from above.
TBH Earth shouldn't have like 4 active green lanterns at the same time.
TBH Earth shouldn't have like 4 active green lanterns at the same time.
What personally boggles me is that all FIVE Green Lanterns (Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Kyle Rayner, Simon Baz. I believe Jessica Cruz came from the Crime Syndicate alternate earth, so I'm not sure if she counts) live in America. I understand that writing American heroes is easier for an American comic book company, but it's a bit silly that the people with the most willpower potential in the world all come from one country.
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What personally boggles me is that all FIVE Green Lanterns (Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Kyle Rayner, Simon Baz. I believe Jessica Cruz came from the Crime Syndicate alternate earth, so I'm not sure if she counts)
Spoilering this because it's kindof off topic but:
! Jessica Cruz counts, she is from Prime Earth.
! During Forever Evil, the Crime Syndicate of Earth 3 invaded Prime Earth. During the arc Power Ring (Evil Green Lantern) died and his ring left to find a "Worthy" sucessor. Since this is an opposite universe, it picks the person who is most scared instead of the person who can overcome great fear, so it goes to Jessica Cruz, a woman who was the sole survivor of a mob massacre. Since then, she's had extreme anxiety and agoraphobia. She hasn't left her room for 4 years and the only reason she's still alive is her sister bringing her food.
! The evil ring finds her and uses her to go on a spree. Batman helps her get control when he tells her about his own backstory and how he was a victim once, but it's possible to overcome. She then got training from The Flash and Hal Jordan to control the ring while they tried to figure out a way to get it off of her since it's a parasite.
! Flash forward to Darkseid War. Flash was about to die at the hands of the Black Racer and Jessica Cruz jumped in front of it, selflessly sacrificing herself. It turns out however that since the Evil Ring from Earth 3 is a living thing and the suit covering her body was an extension of it, IT died instead of her, finally freeing her from the parasite.
! But then, due to her overcoming her fears to tame the ring in the first place as well as her self-sacrifice, an ACTUAL Green Lantern ring chooses her and she becomes an official Lantern of Sector 2814.
! The comics have now taken an interesting position regarding the lanterns which is pretty good IMO.
! Hal and John are basically lantern higher-ups. Taking turns as Corps leader. Guy and Kyle are space cops. Doing the actual grunt work in space, and Cruz and Baz are earth-based, protecting their actual home planet. This did include them being the GLs in the Justice League Books, but that's apparently changing with John being in JL, so not sure how that shakeup happened, I'm a few issues behind.