I was about to bet on who would come here first to talk about Carrot (against or favorably), lol
I actually thought it'd be a joke about the octopus.
I was about to bet on who would come here first to talk about Carrot (against or favorably), lol
I actually thought it'd be a joke about the octopus.
The octopus will be official takoyaki of the crew.
If they limit the amount they cut off from its tentacles, it can just grow them back and provide infinite takoyaki!
But I think his antics kinda overlap with Brook music skills… and when Luffy goes to octopusland, he will probably be like "a land of jinbes"
It seems Carrot is already sidelined. She had barely any panel time this chapter.
So oda deliberately made chopper and carrot have different reactions to the waterfall. Hmmm.
To be honest, I was putting high hopes when the inevitable crew separation happened, Carrot would be left alone with Luffy. This way, they would be able to bond even if they didn't before and regardless of how crowded Wano would be.
Sadly, the separation already happened and there is Luffy, without a carrot in sight.
On the other hand, I was glad Oda remembered her adventurous personality and, as Long John pointed out, seemed to be making a point in having her contrast with Chopper all the time in the small screen time she got.
If you decipher the sounds the octopus is making in morse code, you'll read "Carrot is a Strawhat".
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To be honest, I was putting high hopes when the inevitable crew separation happened, Carrot would be left alone with Luffy. This way, they would be able to bond even if they didn't before and regardless of how crowded Wano would be.
Sadly, the separation already happened and there is Luffy, without a carrot in sight.
Interestingly enough, I had the opposite reaction… because I wasn't expecting a separation of the crew so soon, but now that it happened there's a chance for Carrot to be the first one to meet Luffy for them to perform this dynamic duo.
Not that I'm really putting my coins on this hypothesis. I'm not sure yet where Oda is heading right now.
It seems Carrot is already sidelined. She had barely any panel time this chapter.
Most of the dialogue was about people the SHs know at the reverie, exposition about Wano, and Nami talking about the weather. Carrot doesn't have much input there since she doesn't know those people, she wasn't with the crew on Zou when Kinemon explained all that stuff, and she isn't Nami.
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So oda deliberately made chopper and carrot have different reactions to the waterfall. Hmmm.
Purely coincidence.
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To be honest, I was putting high hopes when the inevitable crew separation happened, Carrot would be left alone with Luffy
Interestingly enough, I had the opposite reaction… because I wasn't expecting a separation of the crew so soon, but now that it happened there's a chance for Carrot to be the first one to meet Luffy for them to perform this dynamic duo.
I'm betting she'll be with Brook. She hasn't really done much with him so far.
I didn't even know Carrot was in this chapter until Nami mentioned her name.
I called it, There is Yokai on this island Mother f***ers
After one successful arc with the crew, you are in and a Strawhat. Robin did it on chapter out in the sea. Carrot missed the spot right there… Welcome, new Yosaku/Vivi/Law
After one successful arc with the crew, you are in and a Strawhat. Robin did it on chapter out in the sea. Carrot missed the spot right there… Welcome, new Yosaku/Vivi/Law
Your fooling yourself if you think they'll give up on it just like that
though I agree with you
After one successful arc with the crew, you are in and a Strawhat. Robin did it on chapter out in the sea. Carrot missed the spot right there… Welcome, new Yosaku/Vivi/Law
When was the last time someone joined with only half the crew around?
I honestly didn't even know that Carrot was with the strawhats lol.
So much for the future crewmate who was supposed to be THE character in Wano and yet barely got any real focus in the intro chapter.
But hey, since when did facts ever stop Carrot fans from coming up with dumb theories.
When was the last time someone joined with only half the crew around?
Why would the Dressrosahats decide who will join when the very Captain just adventured with the candidate through an effing Yonko arc?
I honestly didn't even know that Carrot was with the strawhats lol.
So much for the future crewmate who was supposed to be THE character in Wano and yet barely got any real focus in the intro chapter.
But hey, since when did facts ever stop Carrot fans from coming up with dumb theories.
Woah, the irony…
Why would the Dressrosahats decide who will join when the very Captain just adventured with the candidate through an effing Yonko arc?
Nice deflection, but you didn't answer my question. When was the last time someone joined with only half the crew around?
Who the hell has been arguing carrot would be the star of the wano. Even among those arguing she would get more screentime or whatever, nobody made that claim. It's gonna be luffy and zoro at the top no matter how good the candidate is and whether or not they join. Franky had some of the most focus among new crewmates in his saga yet even he didn't steal the show from the Luffy and Robin.
I was the first to forget Carrot was in the latest chapter but… wouldn't it be hilarious if the next chapter was called "Carrot's avednture on the samurai country" and featured her exploits and her finding the other strawhats?
I'm admittedly slightly curious as to what exactly Carrot is gonna be doing. She's in Wano with the crew now and is their main guest party member at the moment, she's gotta do something besides just stand in the background. Just gonna bug off the second we see more minks around? On a side note, how fun it must be to venture out into the sea for the first time and your first two islands involve yonko confrontations.
After one successful arc with the crew, you are in and a Strawhat. Robin did it on chapter out in the sea. Carrot missed the spot right there… Welcome, new Yosaku/Vivi/Law
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I'm not sure there's anyone here who thought she would officially join on the first chapter of Wano. Most of us have been saying that she'd join at the end of Wano.
All this chapter showed was just how much Carrot absolutely loves adventuring with the strawhats, and there's still nothing compelling her to stay with the minks at the end of all this like there was for Vivi.
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I'm admittedly slightly curious as to what exactly Carrot is gonna be doing. She's in Wano with the crew now and is their main guest party member at the moment, she's gotta do something besides just stand in the background. Just gonna bug off the second we see more minks around?
Pedro pretty much told Carrot that she'll find out about the whole "dawn" business eventually, so I'm expecting her (and therefore us) to find out about it when she tells Cat and Dog about Pedro's death and his final words.
Nice deflection, but you didn't answer my question. When was the last time someone joined with only half the crew around?
Do they need to? Technically, they know her and what she is capable of.
And yes, basically it comes down to: Which unwritten rule of joining is more important?
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I'm not sure there's anyone here who thought she would officially join on the first chapter of Wano. Most of us have been saying that she'd join at the end of Wano.
I know Jimbei is the master of prolonged joining, but that means Carrot has a 2 1/2 arc joining process while the other members got there acknowledgement from Luffy right away at the end of one arc. Looks like a big difference to me.
I know Jimbei is the master of prolonged joining, but that means Carrot has a 2 1/2 arc joining process while the other members got there acknowledgement from Luffy right away at the end of one arc. Looks like a big difference to me.
Just because something hasn't been done before doesn't mean that Oda won't ever do things differently. Zoro was the first crewmate, Nami was the first strawhat to betray the crew and have a second more official joining later, Usopp was the first who had to leave people behind in order to join, Sanji was the first to join without the whole crew present, Chopper was the first non-human to join, Robin was the first villain to join and the first stowaway, Franky was the first to have actually seriously hurt a strawhat before joining (or rather his underlings did), Brook was the first to accept Luffy's invitation the instant we met him, and Jimbei was the first to delay his joining.
Why can't Carrot be the first to slowly ingratiate and ingrain herself into the crew?
Not to mention that the structure of One Piece has changed a lot since the timeskip. Its basically just been two simultaneous arcs interweaving with each-other ever since FI, not just largely isolated arcs like before the timeskip.
Do they need to? Technically, they know her and what she is capable of.
And yes, basically it comes down to: Which unwritten rule of joining is more important?
Having the whole crew aknowledging a new member sounds more important that the number of panels at the begining of an arc. Especially since carrot didn’t even join so i’m not even sure to understand what is your point here
It's clear no new guy will join from wano. Jimbe is the one that will show up here for one of the very rare SHs full crew reunions. After almost 1 decade of jimbe, this guy will now overshadow that moment when jimbe gets to join the crew.
Look at elbaf if you want, or anything after wano.
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It's clear no new guy will join from wano. Jimbe is the one that will show up here for one of the very rare SHs full crew reunions. After almost 1 decade of jimbe, this guy will now overshadow that moment when jimbe gets to join the crew.
Look at elbaf if you want, or anything after wano.
Jinbe will join at Raftel.
Seriously… As long as he doesn’t sail away with the crew towards the next destination I won’t believe it.
And honestly. I do not care that much for this joining anymore after being postponed 2 times.
Jinbe will join at Raftel.
Seriously… As long as he doesn’t sail away with the crew towards the next destination I won’t believe it.
And honestly. I do not care that much for this joining anymore after being postponed 2 times.
I almost want it to become a running gag that Jinbe is going to join but never does. Almost.
And I'm still holding out hope for Carrot to join. Either that or she's the traitor who sold out Zunisha's location to Kaido (I think there's a traitor at least, unless I remember something wrong).
Inuarashi suspected that Kaido's crew got their hands on a vivre card, he didn't explicitly state that there was a traitor.
Also I've said it before but I'll say it again if Carrot sticks around with the crew, between WCI arc and Wano arc we're looking at 180+ chapters with Carrot actively hanging around the crew (compared to say.. Kinemon missing for most of Dressrosa). The only characters that come close to that without officially joining are Jinbe (joining in Wano) and Law (special case as Luffy considers him nakama without being a member of the crew).
There's just no one else that has gotten that degree of attention without joining.
We're in Wano now and so far it seems like Carrot's still hanging around and part of the crew shenanigans which is a good sign for the "Carrot is joining" camp.
Carrot being there? Sure. Attention? She had one chapter that had the "attention" on her since 110 chapter with her introduction, so no.
Admittedly, there has not been a character actively traveling with the Strawhats for so long without being a Strawhat, that´s not attention though when Oda for 99% puts her in the background and treats her as secondary character at best.
And the falsehood of the argument "why can´t Oda do something new" with a guy who for some reason, whether it´s preference or limitations, goes back to the same pattern over and over (heck just the recent chapter, once again the Strawhats are separated), is self-explanatory.
He can always do something new, the chances of it based on 900 chapters are not that great though and definitely not a basis for an argument.
The crew's new lookout sure did a great job of spotting that giant octopus, those giant fish, and that massive waterfall. I mean, she was looking directly at the giant octopus after it boarded the ship and didn't comment on it, fantastic job.
Just like all those times she saw enemies and ships and canonballs coming in the previous arc and successful warned the crew in advance.
Inuarashi suspected that Kaido's crew got their hands on a vivre card, he didn't explicitly state that there was a traitor.
Also I've said it before but I'll say it again if Carrot sticks around with the crew, between WCI arc and Wano arc we're looking at 180+ chapters with Carrot actively hanging around the crew (compared to say.. Kinemon missing for most of Dressrosa). The only characters that come close to that without officially joining are Jinbe (joining in Wano) and Law (special case as Luffy considers him nakama without being a member of the crew).
There's just no one else that has gotten that degree of attention without joining.
We're in Wano now and so far it seems like Carrot's still hanging around and part of the crew shenanigans which is a good sign for the "Carrot is joining" camp.
The amount of chapters means nothing when the arcs length has been multiply by 10 compare to the begining of the serie
Admittedly, there has not been a character actively traveling with the Strawhats for so long without being a Strawhat, that´s not attention though when Oda for 99% puts her in the background and treats her as secondary character at best.
She's only as much of a background character as the other Strawhats are. I know its a common complaint that the Strawhats don't get as much focus as some of the side characters in recent arcs. You're also wrong about her presence. She's the 6th most recurring character in WCI arc. Same was true of Brook in "his" arc (6th most recurring in TB).
The crew's new lookout sure did a great job of spotting that giant octopus, those giant fish, and that massive waterfall. I mean, she was looking directly at the giant octopus after it boarded the ship and didn't comment on it, fantastic job.
Oda bends the rules all the time, especially for comedic effect. You could say the same thing for why Luffy didn't detect the octopus with his haki.
The amount of chapters means nothing when the arcs length has been multiply by 10 compare to the begining of the serie
Your point is moot when we've been in the Grand Line for 800+ chapters now, enough to extrapolate from it.
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Your point is moot when we've been in the Grand Line for 800+ chapters now, enough to extrapolate from it.
My point is not moot at all. Vivi as been with the crew during a bit more than 100 chapters with 3 main arcs, little garden, drum and Arabasta. Mermaid island, Punk hazard and Dressrosa the 3 arcs after the time skip lasted twice that time.
Don’t tell me you have not noticed the arcs are much longer than before !
Oda bends the rules all the time, especially for comedic effect. You could say the same thing for why Luffy didn't detect the octopus with his haki.
It's not Luffy's job to be in the crow's nest looking out for things. That is apparently Carrot's role she is super uniquely good at and not just a job anyone with binoculars can do in rotating shifts.
After all, she can jump to the crow's nest instantly when there is trouble, like when there's an invader on the ship, giant monsters bigger than the boat approaching, unusual waters, or large landmasses up ahead that will wreck the ship. You know, things to look out for.
Luffy did his job of protecting the ship and getting them past danger. Sanji did his job of explaining what kind of food could be made of the fish (and being an awful pervert), and Nami did her job of keeping an eye on the weather, dealing with and explaining the waters they were in.
It's not Luffy's job to be in the crow's nest looking out for things. That is apparently Carrot's role she is super uniquely good at and not just a job anyone with binoculars can do in rotating shifts.
After all, she can jump to the crow's nest instantly when there is trouble, like when there's an invader on the ship, giant monsters bigger than the boat approaching, unusual waters, or large landmasses up ahead that will wreck the ship. You know, things to look out for.
It's no more her official role now than anyone else's was before they joined. It's a role that she asked for and continues to do. Their roles became official once they joined and while they've all exceeded at them, they haven't always been the best at them. Chopper couldn't cure the kids on Punk Hazard and Sanji's cake didn't "KO" Big Mom. All of their skills are fallible when it comes to Oda's plot. He'll gladly allow them to fail at something they're supposed to be good at if it means moving the plot forward. You know that.
She has not asked for the role, or been assigned it.
It has been constantly argued that she is perfectly suited for being lookout and is amazing at it. She has yet to see anything ahead of time or contribute anything from being in the crow's nest for dozens of chapters.
Sanji's cake didn't KO Big Mom but it did distract her as needed, and it did send her back to her earliest memories of happiness, and saved literally every single resident of Big Mom's territory, which will probably be important when we meet up with her again in like five years and the truth comes out that it wasn't Pudding responsible for the cake. And Chopper has consistently saved lives and done his job and done things like coordinate how to defeat Oars, or helping all the poisoned residents of Zou. He got outshined by Law in one specific instance, but has shown competency consistently in his field.
Carrot has yet to spot or prevent any danger while looking out for it.
- She has not asked for the role, or been assigned it.
She did ask for it. Pedro was in the crow's nest and she jumped up and told him that she wanted to do work too. She then took his spot in the crow's nest.
- It has been constantly argued that she is perfectly suited for being lookout and is amazing at it. She has yet to see anything ahead of time or contribute anything from being in the crow's nest for dozens of chapters.
She's good at it, and well suited for it, but the job of lookout is pretty scrub-tier. Its basically one rank above being a cabin boy.
- Sanji's cake didn't KO Big Mom but it did distract her as needed, and it did send her back to her earliest memories of happiness, and saved literally every single resident of Big Mom's territory, which will probably be important when we meet up with her again in like five years and the truth comes out that it wasn't Pudding responsible for the cake. And Chopper has consistently saved lives and done his job and done things like coordinate how to defeat Oars, or helping all the poisoned residents of Zou. He got outshined by Law in one specific instance, but has shown competency consistently in his field.
Chopper's first impressive doctoring feat was ages after he joined. I'd say that Carrot jumping half a mile into the air to spot something is already a more impressive lookout feat than any doctoring feat Chopper did until the fight against Oars.
Carrot has yet to spot or prevent any danger while looking out for it.
What? She's spotted plenty of danger. Big Mom managing to keep following them on the water, BM's tsunami, a fleet of ships cutting them off in front (this happens twice). You just don't see these things as dangerous because Carrot caught them in time and the crew was able to properly react to these things, but the danger was still there.
And the lookout only spots the danger and reports it to everyone. Its then up to the crew to actually do something about the danger. The lookout can't prevent danger.
Lol jumping as a feat is like the equivalent of Chopper taking someone's blood pressure or Robin checking out some books at the library.
She's only as much of a background character as the other Strawhats are. I know its a common complaint that the Strawhats don't get as much focus as some of the side characters in recent arcs. You're also wrong about her presence. She's the 6th most recurring character in WCI arc. Same was true of Brook in "his" arc (6th most recurring in TB).
Oda bends the rules all the time, especially for comedic effect. You could say the same thing for why Luffy didn't detect the octopus with his haki.
Your point is moot when we've been in the Grand Line for 800+ chapters now, enough to extrapolate from it.
Not really but even assuming that´s true for now, each Strawhat had much more focused in their arcs and later on.
Focus is not being in panels constantly like Carrot is in the background, focus is being developed, have a distinguished personality, have a goal/dream, unique presence within the story, a specific and noteworthy talent and the list goes on.
Since you mentioned Brook, the dude immediately was singled out (i mean how more obvious is Oda supposed to make it than having Luffy immediately invite him into the crew and Oda immediately building up a relationship between him and Luffy). Appearance-wise, more unique is not possible, immediately had his own running gag introduced, had an allusion to his tragic past, had a unique ability introduced….
Within those two chapters of Brook´s introduction, he had more focus and development than Carrot for 110 chapters.
So yeah, your statements are factually wrong.
Lol jumping as a feat is like the equivalent of Chopper taking someone's blood pressure or Robin checking out some books at the library.
Franky seemed pretty impressed at Carrot's jump. When has anyone made that face when Chopper took someone's blood pressure?
"So this is what those Mink tribes can do" Dude, it's LITERALLY right there.
Oda has YET to give Carrot a feat that is her own thing and not something that is used as a tool to establish what the Mink tribe in general can do.
Oda using one character to establish entire group of characters is different from him establishing that character and her own individual skills. And as shown time and time again, she is a standard fair for Minks. Nothing unique, or totally different.
Wasn't the idea meant to be that Carrot would be the super enthusiastic lookout Luffy and Ussop complained about pre-skip? She just didn't do the job here. Approaching one of the most anticipated islands in the series and the supposed lookout didn't do anything. Jinbei got to surf a tsunami to show his helm skills, why wouldn't Oda show something like that for Carrot if she was going to be lookout? Like her super sight picking out the waterfall in the distance to climb up or something
Carrot still looks like Oda drew the first thing that came to mind when he thought "rabbit person" and her design shows no further thought or care put into it. She can jump good all she wants, at the end of the day she doesn't stand out among the minks.
Franky seemed pretty impressed at Carrot's jump. When has anyone made that face when Chopper took someone's blood pressure?
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Who cares if Franky is impressed. They're all gonna be impressed by anything in that world. Is the reader impressed?
I feel like people focus too narrowly on term "lookout". It's a job that involves scouting and reconnaissance which will be important as naval battles occur more often in the series. It's not a job anyone can do and Carrot is an expert on.
Carrot had never stepped foot out of Zou prior to WCI arc and had absolutely no experience at sea. Despite that, she commanded from the crow's nest and implemented a tactical maneuver to disable the fleet of an otherwise superior enemy. The other option that was floated was having the Strawhat's ship get dangerously close Daifuku's fleet so that Chopper could use monster point while putting them at risk of being sunk.
Carrot was a member of the Musketeer Squad, trained by the Guardians, and served as a rulers aide. No one really comes close to her when it comes to being useful in that role. Brook and Jinbe served in their respective countries military but its never been emphasized in the series. Robin's served as a spymaster and within counterintelligence organizations but she's never been seen working within a military scouting/reconnaissance setting.
Who cares if Franky is impressed. They're all gonna be impressed by anything in that world. Is the reader impressed?
You're the one who said her jump was just as impressive a feat as Chopper taking someone's blood pressure. I posted someone being impressed at her jump (someone who's seen several pretty high jumps before), and so far you've posted exactly no panel of anyone being impressed at Chopper taking someone's blood pressure. And yes, I was pretty impressed by her jump. I can't think of a single higher vertical jump in the whole series.
You're the one who said her jump was just as impressive a feat as Chopper taking someone's blood pressure. I posted someone being impressed at her jump (someone who's seen several pretty high jumps before), and so far you've posted exactly no panel of anyone being impressed at Chopper taking someone's blood pressure. And yes, I was pretty impressed by her jump. I can't think of a single higher vertical jump in the whole series.
My point was that her jump wasn't impressive. It isn't uniquely useful either.
- She has not asked for the role, or been assigned it.
You'd have a better argument is she didn't. She did.
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Ever since she asked for it, she's been doing it with only a handful of exceptions.
- It has been constantly argued that she is perfectly suited for being lookout and is amazing at it. She has yet to see anything ahead of time or contribute anything from being in the crow's nest for dozens of chapters.
The plot hasn't specifically called for it yet and Carrot herself has not proclaimed to be the official lookout. It's a role that she'll likely take on and excel at as her character gets more development. Again, the plot is going to outclass anyone's strengths. Remember how Chopper couldn't save Luffy after he ate the poisoned fish, but the plot allowed Luffy to survive? It's the same thing here. Franky didn't really show his true skills until he was about to join. Once Carrot gets some development in Wano and talks to the rulers about Pedro, she will likely develop more resolve and a greater sense of what she needs to do (i.e. protect the crew by excelling at that role and make sure that they bring about the new dawn).
- Sanji's cake didn't KO Big Mom but it did distract her as needed, and it did send her back to her earliest memories of happiness, and saved literally every single resident of Big Mom's territory, which will probably be important when we meet up with her again in like five years and the truth comes out that it wasn't Pudding responsible for the cake. And Chopper has consistently saved lives and done his job and done things like coordinate how to defeat Oars, or helping all the poisoned residents of Zou. He got outshined by Law in one specific instance, but has shown competency consistently in his field.
Carrot has yet to spot or prevent any danger while looking out for it.
Sanji didn't say his cake would distract her. He said it would knock her out. It didn't. Besides, a ton of credit goes to the Firetank pirates for luring her away. If Oda wanted to, he could've had Sanji's cake incapacitate her, but again, the plot said regardless of how good a cook Sanji is, Big Mom can't be knocked out. As for Chopper (again), he couldn't even save Luffy from a poisoned fish. Like I've said, everyone sucks at their roles as long as the plot demands it.
"So this is what those Mink tribes can do" Dude, it's LITERALLY right there.
Oda has YET to give Carrot a feat that is her own thing and not something that is used as a tool to establish what the Mink tribe in general can do.
Not all minks can jump half a mile into the sky. She displayed the minks' general strength, but the jumping is due to her having rabbit attributes, not her simply being a mink. And we haven't seen any other bunny minks.
Oda using one character to establish entire group of characters is different from him establishing that character and her own individual skills. And as shown time and time again, she is a standard fair for Minks. Nothing unique, or totally different.
Oda was deliberately downplaying Carrot's significance in Zou so that her joining Luffy's team on WCI would be a surprise.
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My point was that her jump wasn't impressive.
The story disagrees with you.
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. As for Chopper (again), he couldn't even save Luffy from a poisoned fish. Like I've said, everyone sucks at their roles as long as the plot demands it.
He also didn't have any of his Captain's blood on hand in FI despite Luffy loosing gallons of blood every arc.
Why can't Carrot be the first to slowly ingratiate and ingrain herself into the crew?
Because "Minks just wanna have fun" is kind of a weak dream for a strawhat. I see her as the most driving founding members of the new Nox pirates though.