dont have much time but i just had a thought. we know why all the other characters are pursuing their dreams, but what about luffy? i mean, yeh he has to live up to shanks and has always wanted to be pirate king, but why?
i reckon the next arc has tohave something. im thinking it will be somewhere along the lines of his grandfather and his parents. like how come we have never seen his parents. doe snayone else think that maybe there will be a naruto like theme that luffy was shunned from the other villagers because of hi pirate heritage or something like that? just a thought but why does luffy fight so hard for his nakama? like obviously because he loves his friends and he supports their dreams but why is he so passionate about friends and dreams? ok a lot of questions maybe but i like a good discussion. enjoy
(p.s. hope this isnt already another thread, sorry if it is)
Luffy backstory anyone?
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ive thought abt it before, and in the very first few chapters of one piece i think that oda din give a good reason about luffy's background…. and during the alabasta arc ace pops out and when they meet aokoji he talks abt his grandfather........ I duno but i think in the next few arcs to come all these will be uncovered.
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at least Oda gave him family, and they actually appeared, and he has an actual Backstory.
Only tihng I am surprised about is we never see any of Luffy's family when the Mountain Bandit comes and kidnaps him.
Also you'd think Ace would come Luffy and talk to Shanks once in awhile.
Even as a background character it'd be nice to know they are there.
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Yeah, I wonder if luffy's dad is a pirate,… or a Marine!
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itll turn me down if the story ends with luffy wanting to be pirate king cus roger is his father. -_-|||
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Roger can't be Luffy's father anyway since he died over 20 years ago and Luffy is only 17.
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y cant roger be his father?
he might have given birth to luffy and went away as a pirate?
wad im tryin to say is, maybe the reason luffy wans to be pirate king is cus roger is his father and he wans to be like his father, thats y he wana find OP
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Beacause he died three years before Luffy was born, gosh.
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y cant roger be his father?
he might have given birth to luffy and went away as a pirate?
wad im tryin to say is, maybe the reason luffy wans to be pirate king is cus roger is his father and he wans to be like his father, thats y he wana find OP
Lets do the math shall we?
Roger died 22 years ago.
Luffy was born 17 years ago.22-17= 5 Years difference. Roger is not Luffy's father. It is impossible.
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all right then. then maybe roger is his grandfather. did oda specify how old is roger when he died?
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again….if Luffy were to be Roger's grandson, it would be possible, but what about Luffy's father?
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yea….luffy's father......hmmm......maybe his parents arent important? or His parents might be something like ace, pops out suddenly.
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Actually, I think Ace didn't appear in Luffy's backstory becuase at that time Oda hadn't thought about him. It was probably later that Oda decided to give Luffy a brother who also served as a link between the Strawhats and the whole Whitebeard vs. Blackbeard problem.
And no, please, stop coming up with the "Roger is Luffy's grandfather" thing, it's too cheesy to discuss. So far only the bad guys have obtained rank through family relationships (helmeppo, Spandam) while the good guys have ascended through merit. I want it to stay that way.
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I think it was on that only reason Luffy envied Usopp a little. Usopp's dad boasting around about his son who are on the same age as Luffy, etc. Or maybe he felt the same position instead, maybe his parents are still alive, and would do the same thing (boasting Luffy around) somewhere out there.
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It's pretty much implied that Saul is Luffy's Grandfather.
Let's crunch the evidence:
1. Saul can also be romanized Sauro, which is Japanese for Monkey.
2. Saul is shown in the same arc in which Kuzan mentions "dealing" with Luffy's Grandfather, a long time ago.
3. Kuzan dealt with Saul a long time ago.
4. Both wear a trademark hat
5. Luffy's new Gear 3rd moves are similar to giant movesIt's assumed (though nobody can say until Oda does) That Makino is his mother.
Woop Slap could also be related to Luffy, too, but I doubt it. -
someone in another forum said what if Luffy has a sister?
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Then it would be Makino.
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@Fire Fist:
Let's crunch the evidence:
1. Saul can also be romanized Sauro, which is Japanese for Monkey.
Umm, actually, monkey in Japanese is "saru", not "sauro". Sauro is the way Saul's name appears written in the manga, but since the Japanese bible also contains Saul written as Sauro, it was decided to call him Saul.
As to Saul's surname, as a Spaniard who also knows some Japanese, calling him Jaguar when the katakana says Haguwaru is still wrong. Hagwall is much closer.
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@Monkey:
Actually, I think Ace didn't appear in Luffy's backstory becuase at that time Oda hadn't thought about him. It was probably later that Oda decided to give Luffy a brother who also served as a link between the Strawhats and the whole Whitebeard vs. Blackbeard problem.
And no, please, stop coming up with the "Roger is Luffy's grandfather" thing, it's too cheesy to discuss. So far only the bad guys have obtained rank through family relationships (helmeppo, Spandam) while the good guys have ascended through merit. I want it to stay that way.
i guess you need to read properly, i said it will turn me off if "roger is Luffy's grandfather".
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I HATE to be the one to bring this up but…there's always dragon. No, I don't really think that.
I don't think we'll fnd out till the very end.
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Where was Ace?
I have no idea. He hadn't left to be a pirate yet. Oda will probably give some kind of stupid halarious reason. >.<
I HATE to be the one to bring this up but…there's always dragon. No, I don't really think that.
I don't think we'll fnd out till the very end.
Luffy never did see Dragon, so I dunno.
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btw i read the chinese version….so who is dragon?
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The guy who takes on Smoker in Logue Town so Luffy can get away.
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The leader of the Rebels, and he's known as the world's most wanted person, I think. He's very mysterious :ninja:
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roger is not luffys brother, or father, or grandfather,
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Roger and Luffy aren't related, but they share a common bond. It's really unknown what it is, but Woop Slap was the first person to hint at it. Since then, several other people have mentioned it, from Crocus to Kureha to Kokoro.
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@FoxyKaizoku35:
The leader of the Rebels, and he's known as the world's most wanted person, I think. He's very mysterious :ninja:
oh the mysterious guy who wears a black robe, ive forgotten abt him alr…haha, he jus appears and, disappears...
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He only appeared once >.>
Rumors are that he will show up in Enies Lobby because of the "storm", which wouldn't make sense in there unless he will appear. Nah, I don't thik so. It was my opinion, but he won't appear.
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If Makino is Luffy's mother, I'll buy a hat JUST so I can eat it.
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Wait, you got that from Jimmy Neutron?
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Well let's just look at it this way. Luffy's father, if he does end up being a famous piirate or whatever, I think it would actually be bad for Luffy if anyone knew that he is the son of said person.
Luffy wants to become pirate king and become world-known by his own skills. If anyone were to find out that he was related to Roger or anyone else, some of the things that he's done and will eventually do might be overshadowed by that person.
I think Oda decided not to make Luffy has famous parents. I think he just wanted a charater to come out of nowhere, and take the Grand Line by storm. Just in case he does end up being related to someone very well-known, he'd want to keep it a secret so people will respect Luffy for the things he's done, not his relatives.
Just ask yourself this: would you be more impressed that the pirate king's grandson or whatever made it to Raftel? Or just a pirate crew led by some previous unknown named Strawhat Luffy who earned the respect of other crews and the animosity of the marines and World Government made it all the way to Raftel?
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i think it would be a nice twist if luffy's father ended up being a shichibukai and luffy will have to fight him at one point.
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well, there is one shichibukai that isn't being revealed yet…...so yeah, maybe.....but highly unlikely for Oda.....
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Lesee:
1. Crocodile
2. Jimbei
3. Doflamingo
4. Bartholomew Bear
5. Mihawk
6. ???
7. ???So there's actually two that haven't been revealed yet.
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oh….yeah...2 more.... sorry.......
so, that 2 more shichibukai......
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Theres room for 3 actually, Crocodile was removed of his status…
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The main reason I see that it can't be possible for Roger to be Luffy's grandfather (or in any other way related to him) is because Luffy looks up to Gol D. Roger more than anyone (except maybe Shanks), but when Ao Kiji mentioned Luffy's grandfather, Luffy was freaked. And besides, if Roger were related to Luffy I'm sure he'd have bragged a bit more about it now.
It'd be "I am the grandson (or whatever) of Gol D. Roger and I will inherit his name as the Pirate King!" rather than Luffy being inspired and then wanting to be Pirate King.
And I totally agree with Kidany.
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The main reason I see that it can't be possible for Roger to be Luffy's grandfather (or in any other way related to him) is because Luffy looks up to Gol D. Roger more than anyone (except maybe Shanks), but when Ao Kiji mentioned Luffy's grandfather, Luffy was freaked. And besides, if Roger were related to Luffy I'm sure he'd have bragged a bit more about it now.
It'd be "I am the grandson (or whatever) of Gol D. Roger and I will inherit his name as the Pirate King!" rather than Luffy being inspired and then wanting to be Pirate King.
And I totally agree with Kidany.
good reasoning….
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however dun dwell too deep into wad i say please.....i only said ill BE TURNED DOWN IF ROGER'S THE CASE LUFFY WANNA BE PIRATE KING.
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Yeah, I'm just saying I don't think that's possible and would also dislike it if it turned out to be the outcome. Others were bringing up the possibility of Roger and Luffy being related and I just expressed why I don't think it's possible.
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while yes that is good reasoning it could aslo be said that luffy freaked because he was entering in a fight with someone who could take his grandfather, that being gold roger. BUT i also dont think roger is a relative of luffy's that would be too cliche and unlike oda, instead i reckon roger also ate the gomu gomu fruit and that their bond but we'll wait for the whitebeard fight for that to come out. the real reason for my long winded post was to be that annoying guy who comes up with the dumbest thing, that SENGOKU IS LUFFY's DAD or grandad. while you think this is weird because aokiji says he had trouble with him, it could just be that aokiji and sengoku disagree or fight for power or something like that and this would also explain why luffy freaked, he doesn't want his crew knowing he is the son of a marine especially the highest ranked one in the world. while this would also be majorly cliche i reckon it would b an ok twist that would satisy most people.
my couple of points are really to say how wrong the people who said that saul is luffy's grandad and makino is his mother, makino and luffy have a few pages together and they never say mum or son, and when luffy get's his bounty and the whole village celebrates/ cries, she doesnt say anything like, 'my boy grew up' like a proud mother would, and the D in saul's name is there i believe to simply make him more likeable and more believable that he would do so much to help robin.
on on last note, and i promise last, i dont think luffy's dad will be a pirate as oda used that with usopp (wants to be a great sniper like yasop) and his parents werent in the village because they are either dead (not killed by marines because thats like robin), or they live on Raftel as the guardians of One Piece. haha that was just to annoy some people
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Yeah, I'm just saying I don't think that's possible and would also dislike it if it turned out to be the outcome. Others were bringing up the possibility of Roger and Luffy being related and I just expressed why I don't think it's possible.
yep….ok.....however my view on luffy's attacks are similiar to giant's.....my view on tt is tt..since he is a rubber man, he can stretch his limbs, so thus when he pumps in alot of air into his bone, he is merely stretching them to be so big, thus not related to a giant.
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No offense, Betus, but are you stupid?
Saul didn't know Robin from Eve. The D was part of his name. He even explicitly states when Robin asks him about the D, "I dunno… but every member of my family has it in their name..."
And Robin's parents weren't explicitly killed by marines. Olivia died when the Sacred Tree of Ohara burned down with her inside it. The marines caused the fire, so they are to blame, but it's not like Arlong, Where Belle-Mere got shot point blank in the forehead. And we know NOTHING about Robin's father, other than the fact that he was an Archaelogist too. For all we know, Robin's father is Gold Roger.
It's very much implied that Luffy's Grandfather is Saul. Kuzan mentions "dealing" with Luffy's Grandfather A LONG TIME AGO. Plus, they both wear similar hats, they both stood up to the Buster Call to protect Robin, a girl both of them barely knew anything about, and they both have similiar smiles. Ace's smile and Blackbeard's smile is completely different, but Roger's, Saul's, and Luffy's is exactly the same.
Also, it's implied that Kuzan and Sengoku are related. They look alike, They're at the right age to be father/son, and both are (supposedly, as we've never seen Sengoku in action) very strong.
And Chopper, you can't do that even with rubber bones. The capacity to which Luffy inflated his arm would be impossible even with his rubber ability. Gear 2 is doable with a rubber body. Rubber can expand and collapse at a nominal rate to speed movement. But for Gear 3 to work, one must have the bone density of a much higher being.
As far as we know, there are two races in the Odaverse that have higher bone density than humans:
Gyojin and Giant.
Now, Luffy is obviously not Gyojin (Fishman). So in order to expand his body to that capacity (even with his Rubber body), he must have a stronger bone density, or rather, a Giant's bone density.
And who says Luffy's parents can't be killed by marines just because Robin's mother was? You can't expect every flashback death to be unique. It's like what Luffy told Vivi in the desert: People Die. How people die is subjective. There are many ways to die.
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good point!
since saul said that everyone in the family has a "D", tt means tt roger, saul, n luffy are linked. However, they duno about the their family tree's history well.
it might be like part of a family thing, instead of directly linked, u get wad im tryin to say?
their blood lines might be as thin as the guy to his ancestor (whom was thought to be a big time liar) who helped SHP go skypiea (i duno his eng name).
or maybe ppl wif a "D" in the name cud be a bunch of unique ppl. for example ppl frm ohara is unique…
there are many ways to explain things if u were analysing.
And one more thing, i think theres only one type of fruits each, meaning only one gomu gomu fruit, one type of each....therefore roger is not a rubber man.....
and from wad i kno, i tot roger is not a DF user?
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We know very little about Roger.
Yes, it was stated in an SBS by Oda that there is one of each devil fruit type. BUT what it didn't state is what happened to fruits when they died…
Still, somehow I doubt Roger ate the Gomu Gomu no Mi.
Here's all we know about Roger:
1. His ship was called the Oro Jackson
2. His pirates were probably called the "Gold Pirates" or "Pirates of Gold".
3. He was born and died in Loguetown, therefore born and died in East Blue
4. He has the D in his name
5. He's modeled after Woodes "Gold" Rogers, the first Governer of the Bahamas
6. He fought on even ground with Whitebeard and slashed him across the chest
7. We know his last words from Dragon Quoting them
8. Crocus, Kokoro, Tom, Woop Slap (supposedly), Buggy and Shanks (supposedly) Whitebeard Dr. Kureha and Gan Fall all met him at some point.
9. He sailed to Raftel when no one else could
10. He found the true history of the World, including the lost 100 years
11. All the other pirates recognized him as pirate kingOther than that, we know nothing about him.
Saul said the D's were related, but not specifically. Family is a broad term. In Japan, the word Nakama, meaning group, circle of friends, shipmates, etc. is used. This could mean that all the people with D were nakama of Roger, or family, or simply just acquaintances. "The Society of D" sounds silly, but that could have been all he meant.
Who knows? Oda does, but he's not telling until he's ready.
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no offence fire fist, but can you read?
i never said saul knew robin just that the D was added in to A) give a bit of depth to his character and B) maybe slightly justify why he would go so far to protect someone he hardly knew. I agree with what i think was a thread a couple of weeks ago that the D's held an important position in the ancient kingdom. as such saul may feel more passionatly about justice and helping people then someone without the D.And you're basing your theory on a HAT!? man for christs sake, its not like luffy was born with the hat on or like its a part of saul, does that mean zorro and tashigi are related because they have a sword, wait that solves everything, kuro must be luffy's dad because they both have black hair and OMG they both wear clothes!!!!(massive sarcasm implied if you cant read properly to interpret).
on the rubber note, i reckon you should go test this theory i have. you need some special equipment, its this odd thing called a BALLOON!? and do you know what a balloon is made of? LATEX RUBBER dumbass. if you can blow up a balloon made of rubber why cant luffy blow up his arms?? it has nothing to do with bone density you fool his bones have the density of…. wait,.... wait for it....RUBBER. why dont you start a thread on how crocadile shouldnt have been able to take one of luffy's punches because he is only the density of sand. fool think before you say shit, unless thinking hurts too much.
on the note of robins mother not being killed by the marines, go stand on a cliff and get a friend to push you off, dont worry about your friend they wont get punished they only pused you, it was the ground that killed you when you hit it. FOOL!!! the marines blew up the entire freaking island, so what if the tree, THAT THE MARINES SET ON FIRE, didnt fall on her, she was still a wanted criminal on a doomed island surrounded by A WALL OF FIRE!!! but im sure she would have been fine if the tree had missed.
unless im very much mistaken, and anyone other than fire-fist feel free to tell me if i am, it was said earleir either in the manga or just by oda that yes there is only one type of each fruit but when the user dies the fruit re-grows on a tree in an unknown location that is hanging over the water, the weight of the fruit causes it to break off and fall into the water where it floats until a pirate crew picks it up. if this isnt an officially sanctioned fact then i like it as my own theory and will stick by it as it explains both how people know what some fruits are, chapter 1, (yess crossing into another thread, sorry), and why mostly pirates have them. so gold roger could have been a DF user and could very easily been the previous rubber man. on the note of him slashing whitebeard, in the arlong fight luffy uses first 2 swords then arlongs teeth to fight, while not very successful with either, im sure roger probably had a better grasp of weapons than luffy and could have easily combined a sword with his rubber attacks if he really needed to.
looking forward to your weakass response fire-fist,
and if anyone else has any other luffy family theories please post because none of this has to do with them.
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Dude, chill.
First of all, you didn't read a word I wrote because you got pissed I called you stupid. I apologize for that.
Second, I was referring to the SIZE in Gear 3rd. What happens when you make a balloon too big, huh? Oh, wait… it pops. No shit.... But apparently you'd rather insult me instead of thinking of that.
Were you ever a kid? Apparently you still are because instead of using constructive argument you like to insult people. In any case, when you were younger, you ever try to blow a balloon up? Pops when it gets too big, doesn't it?
And for the record, Crocodile took FOUR moves to go down. FOUR.
He was:
1. Bazooked into a Shrine
2. Had his arm slammed into the ground, shattering his hook
3. Kicked into the air
4. Gomu Gomu no StormBut that's irrelevant.
Olivia was killed because she choose to be. She choose to go back to the island and see Robin. She choose to go into the tree. It's all a matter of perspective when you look at it. If you actually use YOUR brain, you'd realize that most of the deaths in the past of One Piece were by choice, except for a few, like Norland's.
Olivia wanted to see Robin again. She wanted to warn the archaeologists that the marines were coming. She was too late. So she stayed until the end.
Yes, the marines killed her. But in reality, her own actions did.
It was NEVER stated what happens when a Devil Fruit user dies. It WAS stated that there's one fruit of each type, and that the fruit's first bite transfers the power.
The hat thing wasn't meant to be taken so literally. No, Luffy didn't start with his hat. No, Saul's hat is not part of him. But the point was that they both wear hats of a similiar fashion. It's called paralelling. Similarities.
Roger was a helluva lot smarter than Luffy. Roger obviously knew how to use weapons. He could read the ancient language, for Chrissakes. And if you look at who Roger is named after, you'd realize that it's pretty obvious he used a spear to fight, or at least very much implied. Hell, Roger alone means famous spear.
Just relax, dude. Go smoke a cigarette or something. And for the record, I'm not stupid. You just misunderstood what I was saying. I'm actually pretty intelligent about a lot of things.
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Woah Woah Woah slow down guys. This is a site to for fun right. Not a warzone.
Anyway.
About Luffy once again. Luffy D Monkey. "D" hmm anyone remember Robin said "what is it with you who were the name of D?" (or something like that)
We can state form what Saul said that D is a family name. Right?It dont have to be much harder than that.Whitebeard has D
Roger has D
Saul has D
Ace has D
Luffy has D
(tell me if i forgot someone)So as far as we know these ppl have some sort of family relation. Luffys reaction to "having problems with you grandfather" could be Saul and could not be Saul, this is because we have no answere. Oda hasnt given us any. (oda please tell us)
And for Ace when Luffy was a child. He could have been a shipboy on some pirate ship or anything. There for he could come back to Luffy from time to time to say hi/train/just be there/eat/talk/fight with him.
And yes the hat thing. Shanks gave Luffy his hat so that Luffy would be determed to come and seek him up and give it to him. Tho i just came to think of one thing. Hasnt everyone we have seen with the name D in it. Had a hat on there head?. Maybe just coinsidence. But you never know.
Oh and for the Shank Luffy part, and Luffys dreams. His ultimate dream is to be the pirate king. But also he wants a crew that is the best! He said that he would get a crew that is better than Shanks. And so far Shanks is pretty strong from what we know.
He scares a "Seaking" with one look….
He have a crew that is extreme....
He knows Mihawk....
He have fought with Mihawk....
It says it self...Oh and luffy aint stupid on any points. Because he wouldnt be able to do Gear 2 if he was... And he couldnt have beat Croc either. If he was stupid.
And he wouldnt have beat Ener. If he was stupid. He wouldnt have been able to do any move. If he was stupid.So then why is Luffy being so "stupid". I can only say thats his personality. But never say he is stupid. Unless you can see his mind. And tell me why did he figure out all of those things.
So summary:
"D" is some sort of a family thing
Ace could have been on a ship
Luffy has his dreams
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Whitebeard has D
Roger has D
Saul has D
Ace has D
Luffy has D
(tell me if i forgot someone)You forgot Blackbear.D^^ And Blackbeard isn't wearing a hat btw.
So then why is Luffy being so "stupid". I can only say thats his personality. But never say he is stupid. Unless you can see his mind. And tell me why did he figure out all of those things.
I assumed shonen heros being slightly stupid is part of the cliche, meant to show that they are focused only on their personal goal and absent minded in all other regards.That's why they can be stupid and intelligent at the same time as long as their intelligence is connected to their 'dreams' blabla.
I must admit though that i only know son goku, naruto and luffy very well.
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Goku isn't as stupid as he seems…actually, it's more like simple minded.....
as for Luffy, I don't really know if he is acting stupid, or he is really just very laid back like Shanks.....