@Ubiq:
First, you didn't state that this was the number of stores that ordered a particular volume. Even then, yes, we can indeed average out the number of stores that ordered a particular series by dividing them by the number of volumes released. It just doesn't tell us how many copies of that particular volume each store ordered.
Yes I did. "units equal stores willing to purchase" or something. Can't remember.
@Ubiq:
Businesses order stock based on sales; the fact that more businesses ordered One Piece would suggest that it's popularity is more widespread, which makes sense based on the fact that One Piece had a much larger television presence in 2005 than Shaman King.
Just to clear up confusion (as there's a lot here), I've admitted from my (flawed) starting argument that while SK might be superior to OP, we can't determine the exact volume sales from the Diamond data. That's pretty much it any everything else is just causing mayhem. ._.;
@Ubiq:
Information proving this would be nice.
Granted.
@Ubiq:
Unlike you, I don't normally operate on the assumption that people who disagree with me are automatically lying, but most of the information that you have provided recently flatly contradicts you. So without numbers backing you up, it's hard to take anything you say on the subject seriously.
What's wrong with not automatically believing everything on the internet? I must be God, so therefore I am right; would you believe that? Hopefully not! What I see is someone deliberately trying to make a point with a predetermined agenda, not someone reading data and then elaborating on the results from it. :/
Do not forget that internet discussion is inherently dumb, since everyone here is really talking about nothing and we're all bored out of our minds to resort to such. Despite our masks, we're not analysts or professionals; we're a bunch of idiots talking about a whole lot of dubious. As such, "not taking someone seriously" who is trying to bring a modicrum of credibility over baseless opinions like "I LUV VIZ" or "I HAET VIZ" or "SHADDAP" is a bit rude. I'm not perfect but I try. :(
Additional note; the only reason I haven't publically posted my data is because I'm not done compiling it yet! I'm only on November 2004. Oh, I also screwed up. ~.~;
@Ubiq:
Then may I ask why more businesses consistently bought copies of One Piece? Each volume of One Piece was purchased by more shops than any of the Shaman King volumes; it doesn't make sense for businesses to keep buying them if they're not moving them.
Here's where we get into the limitations of public Diamond disclosure; they only list the top wholesale selling novels and do not mention where specific volumes rank below their top one hundred list. We can assume that the highest number of sales would occur when a volume is first released, but at that, there's no guarantee that stores not included in that talley won't but the OP volumes the next month and simply not be recorded by the list. Additionally, restock of volumes is generally not included on this list outside of rare exceptions, like Trigun, N-, Furuba, and FMA.
As such, it's most likely that the highest selling Diamond record for a store sale is likely the total (or close to) number of stores who carry specific manga, and all variances are simply due to a number of intervening factors. These factors can include quantity demanded but might also be connected to price concerns (like a store is going on hard times and can't order from SJ immediately). We should default to the former, whereby it can be concluded that there is generally more immediate interest in OP than SK, contrary to what was reported earlier.
So…I agree.
@Ubiq:
Even then, you provide a single instance of each based on this Bookstandard list. That's not enough to provide an average per volume, especially when there are multiple volumes of each released during that time period.
Oh, I see the misunderstanding. I'm not stating BookStandard's results as indicative of average volume sales; it's an independent source of support for the notion of "SK > OP" I established with the Diamond listings. The reasoning (was); if one SK volume sold higher than OP's [1], and more SK volumes were distributed in one year than OP[2], SK has a higher availability by virtue of more volumes available [2] and therefore would sell more volumes than OP.
This logic is flawed in several ways;
1. I forgot SK is a volume behind OP (ROFL)
2. OP error from earlier.
3. There's too much uncertainty since we lack data from the other SK/OP volumes.
4. We do not know the distribution of the BookScan data (though I assume BC).
5. I deliberately defined popularity as directly related to "quantity of product available", which I stated (or tried to). This is wrong and why…I'm not sure. Maybe it was to spark controversy.
@Ubiq:
There's a simple answer to that: DON'T USE INFORMATION YOU DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND.
I understood in full and said the data was misleading/skewed. Give me a break.
@Ubiq:
Provide said numbers, then we'll talk. Probably about how you misinterrupted something else judging by last trends.
It's an arse to reproduce because I have to cut through all the DC/MAR related material, and even then, I'm not 100% sure on what constitutes actual manga, especially with TKP. I dismissed "Alice the 17th" or somethhing early one because I thought it was amerimanga and I couldn't find anything on it, but then I found it was the real deal and everything got fudged over.
I promise to get the data on AP in due time sometime in the near future, so we'll have to reserve this rebuttle until then. I'm just starting 2005.
@Ubiq:
Really? So businesses are subject to the law of supply and demand? More copies means more sales, more sales mean more orders. More orders means more sales. What a thoroughly marvelous discovery on your part.
Sometimes even the most rudimentary of concepts I cite get utterly misinterpretedby because of my language, so I've had to write everything out all the time. At least you picked up on that quote!
@Ubiq:
Could the fact that the anime has been in repeats for quite a while now have anything to do with it? When was the last time Cartoon Network consistently introduced new episodes of One Piece on a weekly basis?
July 2006 had the highest wholesale numbers in the history of the Diamond recordings, which is baffling because OP is in reruns in Canada and the US. In early 2006, we were still going through Drum, which was a well dubbed and all-new season, and OP was simultaneously on Miguzi, 4Kids.tv, and Toonami. The volume released in early 2006 was Volume #10. All I can say is that it could be that the comic industry was in a slump. I don't remember.
@Ubiq:
Oh, no! I always want confirmation for nonsensical claims! Moreover, I get annoyed when numbers that you yourself provide when somebody contests what is merely the latest in a long series of asinine statements from you contradict your own argument! How dare I!
Blog me a river whydoncha'. It's also "arsinine" you twit. :P