I've got mixed feelings on BM's attack, on one way she seems pretty rad, but on the other I really can't get hyped. It's like when Luffy met BM after escaping form Mirrorland or when the giant Wave was about to kill SHs, at best we'll get someone on the crew do something awesome and shake her off and we're back to square one. Luffy has to fight Katakuri and BM has to have a randez-vous with Sanji's cake, and until these two events take place, everything concerning these two characters seems like literal filler. I'll be very happy to eat my words if the situation changes drastically next chapter (unless SHs really abandon their ship, that'd be bullshit), but until than it's hard for me to care too much.
Chapter 889: An Unknown Mama
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All hail Machvise-sama, Arlong Park Character Tournament 2016 Champion!
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@Kai:
Next chapter (890), Whole Cake Island officially becomes the 2nd longest arc in One Piece, tied with Skypeia.
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I think he considers W7 separate with EL, making DR the first with ~100 chapters. and Skypiea the second with 66 chapters.
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I've got mixed feelings on BM's attack, on one way she seems pretty rad, but on the other I really can't get hyped. It's like when Luffy met BM after escaping form Mirrorland or when the giant Wave was about to kill SHs, at best we'll get someone on the crew do something awesome and shake her off and we're back to square one. Luffy has to fight Katakuri and BM has to have a randez-vous with Sanji's cake, and until these two events take place, everything concerning these two characters seems like literal filler. I'll be very happy to eat my words if the situation changes drastically next chapter (unless SHs really abandon their ship, that'd be bullshit), but until than it's hard for me to care too much.
Sadly, the fact Linlin is too strong dooms her to keep failing. Like Sirxxx said, she can't get her hands on the SH or they are dead. Specially in her current state, when she can't hold herself back. So she has to continuously miss her attacks and fail to catch them. We need to accept the best we can get from her now is hype, Oda depicting her as a monster is all we'll get because she can't factually show how strong she is.
So, yeah, we can be sure next chapter either something will happen to divert her attention or the SH will keep running away (I still think Jinbe's "get ready to abandon the ship" is him saying he will carry everyone by themselves through the water. His swimming speed is their only chance for now).
As contradictory as it may sounds, the BMP stupidity/lack of efficiency is the best proof of their strength (sabotage them is the only way Luffy's group will not be crushed).
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Daifuku's ship is still fine other than not having a helm to steer the ship, my guess is that the genie will probably carry Daifuku to safety if the genie can actually do that. If not then Daifuku's ship will probably keep drifting until it reaches one of the islands of Totto Land or ends up going near one of the other Big Mom Pirate ships for Daifuku to get on, either way I don't think this is the last time we will see from Daifuku and I do think we will see him again pretty soon.
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Sadly, the fact Linlin is too strong dooms her to keep failing. Like Sirxxx said, she can't get her hands on the SH or they are dead. Specially in her current state, when she can't hold herself back. So she has to continuously miss her attacks and fail to catch them. We need to accept the best we can get from her now is hype, Oda depicting her as a monster is all we'll get because she can't factually show how strong she is.
So, yeah, we can be sure next chapter either something will happen to divert her attention or the SH will keep running away (I still think Jinbe's "get ready to abandon the ship" is him saying he will carry everyone by themselves through the water. His swimming speed is their only chance for now).
As contradictory as it may sounds, the BMP stupidity/lack of efficiency is the best proof of their strength (sabotage them is the only way Luffy's group will not be crushed).
It's simply not true, Brook fought BM and survived, Jinbe (just like Luffy) is one of the strongest in the world right now, and he's immune to soul-sucking, ther's no way he'll go out to one hit from BM. The true problem here isn't BM's power but existence of cake which has to reach BM (or get destroyed) before anything serious happens.
All hail Machvise-sama, Arlong Park Character Tournament 2016 Champion!
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wow, no one is sayign that Jinbei is gonna die
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It's simply not true, Brook fought BM and survived, Jinbe (just like Luffy) is one of the strongest in the world right now, and he's immune to soul-sucking, ther's no way he'll go out to one hit from BM. The true problem here isn't BM's power but existence of cake which has to reach BM (or get destroyed) before anything serious happens.
Linlin was purposefully avoiding to damage Brook, much less killing him, because she wanted him as part of her collection. Like I said in that post, she is not in a condition she can hold herself back anymore (nor she has any reason to avoid killing her targets at this point).
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Linlin was purposefully avoiding to damage Brook, much less killing him, because she wanted him as part of her collection. Like I said in that post, she is not in a condition she can hold herself back anymore (nor she has any reason to avoid killing her targets at this point).
The fight was entirely off-screen. Plus, we don't know if you even can kill Brook, since decapitation doesn't work and he can always fix himself up with milk.
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what if big mom manifests thousand sunny soul and then the Klabautermann appears,to save them to win some time? xd (I want the same answers than in the spoler topic xd)
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The fight was entirely off-screen. Plus, we don't know if you even can kill Brook, since decapitation doesn't work and he can always fix himself up with milk.
We don't need to see the fight to know that. If you don't remember that part of the arc, just reread it.
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What does this have to do with anything?
The fight was off-screen so you can't tell if she was holding back and how much, and if Brook can't be killed (or at least is ver hard to kill), then "she can't attack or she'll kill them" argument doesn't work.
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Time to see what jinbe can do
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Actually I think it's about time the Vinsmokes showed back up. Them not being present for this long in the thick of the real battle is wearing on the opportunity for them to have the maximum utility.
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Daifuku's genie is very powerful and the way it can keep chasing Carrot while Daifuku himself is on his ship is also pretty cool, but the one thing the genie lacks in is speed as it can't keep up with Carrot or successfully attack her due to Carrot being super fast, Carrot is already very fast in her normal form and her sulong form makes her even more faster.
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Obviously, at this point Big Mom will eat the cake. Everyone knows how hard it would be for her to just let them go, but has anybody thought about this: She gives them a head start. That way, she maintains her will to destroy them, but as a good gesture (which she is capable of), she gives them a slight "out."
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The fight was off-screen so you can't tell if she was holding back and how much, and if Brook can't be killed (or at least is ver hard to kill), then "she can't attack or she'll kill them" argument doesn't work.
We don't need to see the fight to know she was not fighting seriously. We saw her trying to convince Brook to stop fighting, we saw she stopped fighting once he "gave up" and actually fell head over heels for him, treating him like a precious possession and peting him, and the distraught when she thought she had accidentally killed him in her sleep. We don't need to see what we can infer.
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I've thoroughly enjoyed this arc as a whole so far. The battle on the sea is a breath of fresh air too.
I wonder if Jimbe is going to do some neat water trick next chapter.
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Really not a fan of things that ”takes away lifespan”. Urgh.
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We don't need to see the fight to know she was not fighting seriously. We saw her trying to convince Brook to stop fighting, we saw she stopped fighting once he "gave up" and actually fell head over heels for him, treating him like a precious possession and peting him, and the distraught when she thought she had accidentally killed him in her sleep. We don't need to see what we can infer.
But if you think Brook can actually stand against a Yonkou fighting seriously, I don't think we have any common ground to even argue anything else.She obviously wasn't trying to obliterate him, but that doesn't mean she held back each and every attack. BM is strong, but Judge is still alive after taking a hit from her, Niji and Yonji were ready to go into action again after being defeated by her, Luffy managed to nullify her punch with his own. Castle-Capone survived quite few attacks too. She had no reason to hold back any of these attacks. Saying "she can't get a hit in because she'd just kill everyone" isn't just baseless, it's proven not to be the case.
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something bothers me about the Sanji not poisoning the cake thing too. I mean, i like that Sanji doesnt do that but theres an SBS wher oda makes it sound like Sanji poisoned Zoro's food.
SBS volume 67
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_67D: Hello Oda Sensei. In chapter 655 of volume 66 in the scene where everyone is eating deep sea fish bento boxes, Robin says "Delicious," Luffy and Usopp are going "munch munch," but only Zoro is going "crunch crunch." Did Sanji put razor-blades in Zoro's bento, as promised? Penname- Gillette
O: hnnnnn…. AMAZING!! Thank you for reading so carefully! I mean, I drew that while thinking that it wouldn't really be that bad if nobody ever noticed, but in chapter 653 of volume 66, we have this scene. There's usually no reason to use a crunchy sound effect when characters are eating bento, but I felt that Sanji would surely put the razors and poison in Zoro's bento, so I decided to draw it in that way. The serious nature of their fight is what makes it interesting. I like to just ignore that SBS and imagine Sanji would never do that ha like this chapter showsGreat finding!
It just shows what Oda feels for Sanji, once again.Does anyone else thought of the Phantom Blade from Black Cat after seeing Napoleon Blade Form?
I was looking for a moment… thinking that it looked cool, and now remember that little haughty prick, thanks.
The chapter was hella boring. Bege states that Big Mom will become like on her prime, Perorin says that this is an unknown Mama... and just in time, Zeus and Prometheus are coming... baah! Just like the Sulong mode now... if you use it too much, you're gonna die... uff, exactly like Gear Second.
The only important thing that can deliver a huge development here is BMP noticing that the cake is inside Bege's ship. Thank you, Oda.
Btw, Skypiea >>> Whole Cake Island
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I really want this arc to end already.
I love Carrot's power-up these last two chapters, there's been plenty cool moments for other minor characters in this section of the arc and I love that Sanji is important as a cook and his pervert character traits are back to much more moderation after his character being kind of a mess in Fishman Island, especially, but I wish it'd just end already.
Earlier there was somewhat of a doubt to me whether Luffy would make it, but I'm pretty sure he and this portion of crew somehow will all get away fine now. Especially since so much time has been spent with this subplot.
The cake not coming into play after so much set-up would be straight-up frustrating.
Of course, nothing is set before it happens, again, but this really drags.
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I really want this arc to end already.
I love Carrot's power-up these last two chapters, there's been plenty cool moments for other minor characters in this section of the arc and I love that Sanji is important as a cook and his pervert character traits are back to much more moderation after his character being kind of a mess in Fishman Island, especially, but I wish it'd just end already.
Earlier there was somewhat of a doubt to me whether Luffy would make it, but I'm pretty sure he and this portion of crew somehow will all get away fine now. Especially since so much time has been spent with this subplot.
The cake not coming into play after so much set-up would be straight-up frustrating.
Of course, nothing is set before it happens, again, but this really drags.
Yeah, the escape has been longer than the wedding for few chapters already, and wedding included two chapters dedicated to the flashback. It doesn't help that the story seems to develop a little and then go back to square one again. Kills the tension completely (at least for me).
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Just don't break the keel, Fit Mom. We don't need Franky to leave the crew lol.
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Really not a fan of things that ”takes away lifespan”. Urgh.
Its getting a little bit overused.
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And so Oda slowly but steadily shifts the resolution from "We're gonna murder you no matter what" to "gratitude".
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Really not a fan of things that ”takes away lifespan”. Urgh.
Its getting a little bit overused.
The exact explanation is that they slowly get more beastial and die of exhaustion because they can’t stop. It’s not really taking away her lifespan.
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And so Oda slowly but steadily shifts the resolution from "We're gonna murder you no matter what" to "gratitude".
Allow me to disagree.
The most logical and reasonable, for a pirate, for a leader of great pirate fleet, for a lady in their 60's, for an old woman with the behaviour of a child, for a person that eats everyday nothing but sweets… is to go and kidnap the very one chef that made that delicious cake that faints everybody.So... she needs to pass out, and Pudding with Streusen take the spotlight after that.
Nothing exists; even if something exists, nothing can be known about it. Even if something can be known about it,knowledge about it can't be communicated to others. Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.
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Allow me to disagree.
The most logical and reasonable, for a pirate, for a leader of great pirate fleet, for a lady in their 60's, for an old woman with the behaviour of a child, for a person that eats everyday nothing but sweets… is to go and kidnap the very one chef that made that delicious cake that faints everybody.So... she needs to pass out, and Pudding with Streusen take the spotlight after that.
This. Gratitude, truce, whatever, I don't like the idea of that.
That said, I don't see Streusen doing anything, including Pudding interacting with his memories. He's both explicitly noted to be knocked out for quite awhile, and hours away from everyone else. Neither does Pudding have any good reason to invade his memories.
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I swear, when the Straw Hats manage to achieve something against the Big Mom Pirates the BMP are incompetent, but when the Straw Hats are fully in over their heads, there's all this worry about how they can go against Kaido. Sheesh.
Ehhh….how can razorblades and poison in someones food be a gag that would NOT leave a person disabled?? Can you please test that out and report back?? (JK PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT BECAUSE YOU WILL DIE)
even as a gag extremely out of character and carelessly dangerous. What if Robin swan had accidentally gotten Zoro's bento mixed up?
Again, gag behavior and real behavior are not easily compared. It'd be like asking why Nami is so weak when she's able to hurt Luffy. We know Sanji would never try to outright harm or kill Zoro so whatever he puts in Zoro's food is just to make him miserable, since Zoro is tough enough not to be affected by stuff like that.
Really not a fan of things that ”takes away lifespan”. Urgh.
After thinking about it a bit I'm not sure if it's of the same variety as, say, Gear Second where the technique causes your remaining lifespan to decrease. Rather by "taking away lifespan" Brook's referring to the minks dying within 1 night if they keep it up, since Jinbe never indicated it took away remaining lifespan beforehand.
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Allow me to disagree.
The most logical and reasonable, for a pirate, for a leader of great pirate fleet, for a lady in their 60's, for an old woman with the behaviour of a child, for a person that eats everyday nothing but sweets… is to go and kidnap the very one chef that made that delicious cake that faints everybody.So... she needs to pass out, and Pudding with Streusen take the spotlight after that.
Hahahhah…no.
If Pudding tries to lie and say she built the cake? Expect her to get the Perospero death wish when she can't back up her lie with results. Big mom will slay her the next time she's asked to serve a dish
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I swear, when the Straw Hats manage to achieve something against the Big Mom Pirates the BMP are incompetent, but when the Straw Hats are fully in over their heads, there's all this worry about how they can go against Kaido. Sheesh.
Thank you for saying this. People both here and at OJ seriously can not be pleased. You can't have both sides look good constantly, like some 50/50, not one gets hurt scenario. There has to be someone on one side getting some lumps from another.
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I've got mixed feelings on BM's attack, on one way she seems pretty rad, but on the other I really can't get hyped. It's like when Luffy met BM after escaping form Mirrorland or when the giant Wave was about to kill SHs, at best we'll get someone on the crew do something awesome and shake her off and we're back to square one. Luffy has to fight Katakuri and BM has to have a randez-vous with Sanji's cake, and until these two events take place, everything concerning these two characters seems like literal filler. I'll be very happy to eat my words if the situation changes drastically next chapter (unless SHs really abandon their ship, that'd be bullshit), but until than it's hard for me to care too much.
I wouldn't say it's like that. Right now, there really isn't any escape anymore. Jinbe said they may have to abandon ship but that idea isn't really feasible considering what's around them. They had ways to run before, but now that Big Mom is actually on their ship, they don't. So I'd be at a loss to say what happens next and that's what keeps me interested in this cliffhanger.
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I swear, when the Straw Hats manage to achieve something against the Big Mom Pirates the BMP are incompetent, but when the Straw Hats are fully in over their heads, there's all this worry about how they can go against Kaido. Sheesh.
It-s not just about what they achieve against them, it is also about bm pirates failing without SHs even doing anything. With kaidou it-s another story since there are all supernovas and allies and full shs crew, so them failling now won-t change anything, since they are like 5% or less of the full force that will take on kaidou pirates. But if the yonkou crew fails with half of the SHs crew then why would they ever need so much help with another yonkou. Unless yonkous are not balanced at all and beast pirates > big mom pirates.
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Thank you for saying this. People both here and at OJ seriously can not be pleased. You can't have both sides look good constantly, like some 50/50, not one gets hurt scenario. There has to be someone on one side getting some lumps from another.
Eh I can sort of understand it though.
This is supposed to be Big Mom at her finest. Her entire crew is here for the wedding, and they get made a fool of by half the SH crew. (Granted they also had a Supernova crew in Bege, and the entire Germa 66 against them) If this is BM crew against this kind of threat, how did they manage to remain Yonko all these years? This cant be the first concerted effort against them. There must have been others.
And also, if Luffy can barely hold his own against a commander I don't know how he plans to defeat Kaido. Some say it will be a group effort which makes sense, but I personally would like to see Luffy solo Yonoko.
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And also, if Luffy can barely hold his own against a commander I don't know how he plans to defeat Kaido. Some say it will be a group effort which makes sense, but I personally would like to see Luffy solo Yonoko.
You will see it… at the end of the series when he battles Blackbeard. If Luffy defeats Kaido the Strongest Creature solo 300 chapters before the series concludes then later battles will look like an afterthought.
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I think Big Mom is at her weakest right now, everyone knows you can't fight properly on an empty stomach.
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I will wait panties joke on carrot. Do it brook!
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Ehhh….how can razorblades and poison in someones food be a gag that would NOT leave a person disabled?? Can you please test that out and report back?? (JK PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT BECAUSE YOU WILL DIE)
even as a gag extremely out of character and carelessly dangerous. What if Robin swan had accidentally gotten Zoro's bento mixed up?
For one Zoro asked for it to see if he could digest it. Sanji gave him what he asked for. Second, blood did spurt from Zoro's neck and sure enough he didn't die. And three both Robin and Usopp laughed because they know what exactly what was happening. No one in story cared, just some readers.
hi everyone, I've been watching your discussion for a while and decided to join…
I don't think daifuku was incompetent this chapter, he didn't have a choice, the fleet was useless and can't attack the SHs thanks to carrot, him attacking her without holding back is better than just watching her destroy all the helms..
while I liked sanji speech, but didn't he say he won't cook for the likes of BM at the beginning of the arc?
I know he's forced to do it now, but still it contradict "I'll feed who want to eat" speech in this chapter..sorry for my bad English...
Well Sanji from his introduction has been feeding people who aren't his friends. Just like not hitting a woman he won't let the hungry starve. In this case feeding her would also save the day and keep his mates alive. I guess on the surface its contradictory but considering the circumstances I don't think any one is bothered by it.
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It-s not just about what they achieve against them, it is also about bm pirates failing without SHs even doing anything. With kaidou it-s another story since there are all supernovas and allies and full shs crew, so them failling now won-t change anything, since they are like 5% or less of the full force that will take on kaidou pirates. But if the yonkou crew fails with half of the SHs crew then why would they ever need so much help with another yonkou. Unless yonkous are not balanced at all and beast pirates > big mom pirates.
The Big Mom Pirates' failures, especially in this part of the arc, have been the result of the Straw Hats' and their allies' actions.
Also, the Big Mom Pirates failing here is a lot, lot, different than the Beasts Pirates' eventual defeat. The Straw Hats' goal is to liberate Wano from the Beasts Pirates. Their goal here has been to rescue Sanji (and later the Vinsmokes) and escape. If their goal was to defeat the Big Mom Pirates and liberate Whole Cake Island they would have failed big-time.
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Just saw this on reddit and it honestly cracked me up:
Oh my god I laughed so hard. Thank you for that.
Not only does Jimbei ruin the narrative and surprise because he explained exactly what the Sulong ability is, he can't even back up his helmsman declarations. God at first he was too strong, now he's too weak./I know half the folks reading are taking me seriously and somehow forgot I'm one of the biggest champions of Jimbei in the 9 realms.
This. Gratitude, truce, whatever, I don't like the idea of that.
That said, I don't see Streusen doing anything, including Pudding interacting with his memories. He's both explicitly noted to be knocked out for quite awhile, and hours away from everyone else. Neither does Pudding have any good reason to invade his memories.
It's been hours since he was knocked out. CP9 was knocked out on an island that was razed to the ground and look what happened there. As far as distance is concerned they have flying magic carpets and warp zones in the form of mirror world. When it comes to Pudding having a reason to get into Streusen's memories well Streusel is the longest working member of the Big Mom Pirates, if something should intrigue Pudding or anyone about why Big Mom is the way that she is, why wouldn't Pudding look into his mind?
The logistics between how and why in this manga don't apply when questioned and compared to real life.
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The Big Mom Pirates' failures, especially in this part of the arc, have been the result of the Straw Hats' and their allies' actions.
Also, the Big Mom Pirates failing here is a lot, lot, different than the Beasts Pirates' eventual defeat. The Straw Hats' goal is to liberate Wano from the Beasts Pirates. Their goal here has been to rescue Sanji (and later the Vinsmokes) and escape. If their goal was to defeat the Big Mom Pirates and liberate Whole Cake Island they would have failed big-time.
Agreed 100%. And as far as failure or victory is concerned for Emperors who is without failure? White Beard took one by Squardo and ultimately lost. Jozu was immobilized by Doflamingo and Aokiji and then lost an arm for it. Marco well… Marco had the poorest performance of the White Beards. Check back to 10ish years ago. The nick name Butters was thrown around a lot because he just didn't really accomplish anything. Kaidou was out right defeated like 7 times I think? Jack did a number on Zou but soon after got 1 shotted out of the water. Black Beard got eF'd up left and right and still managed to win at life. Burgess couldn't handle Sabo. And Shanks let a mountain Bandit kidnap Luffy and then lost an arm for it.
These Emperors and their men are larger than life but they aren't infallible. As a matter of fact, seeing them mess up from time to time makes it so much more interesting. When it comes to the Big Mom's, the Straw Hats aren't even fighting them head on like its some sort of Mexican Standoff, it took a lot of sneaking around and dirty deals to get done what they have gotten done.
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Awesome chapter. Maaann…can´t wait for the next one ^^
Maybe the Sunny is stronger than we think. It´s build from the wood of the Adam tree. A tree which is probably in Elbaf...
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Eh I can sort of understand it though.
This is supposed to be Big Mom at her finest. Her entire crew is here for the wedding, and they get made a fool of by half the SH crew. (Granted they also had a Supernova crew in Bege, and the entire Germa 66 against them) If this is BM crew against this kind of threat, how did they manage to remain Yonko all these years? This cant be the first concerted effort against them. There must have been others.
I have explained this on OroJackson so I might as well explain it here as well, well first the SHs have the biggest help with them and that's plot. The Yonko's probably don't fight as much with each other now and usually when they are about to fight they are prepared. The Big Mom Pirates have always been on the top and there aren't that many pirates out there that try to face them head on and when you do got pirates that try to do that like Kid, Apoo, and Urouge they end up losing badly and need to run away at the end(although Urouge did defeat one of their Generals so credit to him for at least achieving something), again the Big Mom Pirates have been shown to be very arrogant because they think that nothing bad will ever happen to them since they don't deal with that much threat. Also like many other villains in the past they underestimated the SHs and they also underestimated Capone as well, both Capone and Jinbe have been a huge help to the SHs against the Big Mom Pirates because both of them have been under the Big Mom Pirates for at least a year or two so they know how the crew works. If it wasn't for the both of them and of course plot then the SHs would have been killed already, the Big Mom Pirates and other Yonko crews are not invincible and some people go and overhype them and when their expectations aren't seen they will start to whine and complain. We're probably going to get a similar situation when it comes to the Beasts Pirates, we already have Kaido who is underestimating both Luffy and Law and the Beasts Pirates are probably going to end up suffering even more compared to the Big Mom Pirates.
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The Big Mom Pirates' failures, especially in this part of the arc, have been the result of the Straw Hats' and their allies' actions.
Also, the Big Mom Pirates failing here is a lot, lot, different than the Beasts Pirates' eventual defeat. The Straw Hats' goal is to liberate Wano from the Beasts Pirates. Their goal here has been to rescue Sanji (and later the Vinsmokes) and escape. If their goal was to defeat the Big Mom Pirates and liberate Whole Cake Island they would have failed big-time.
Agreed 100%. And as far as failure or victory is concerned for Emperors who is without failure? White Beard took one by Squardo and ultimately lost. Jozu was immobilized by Doflamingo and Aokiji and then lost an arm for it. Marco well… Marco had the poorest performance of the White Beards. Check back to 10ish years ago. The nick name Butters was thrown around a lot because he just didn't really accomplish anything. Kaidou was out right defeated like 7 times I think? Jack did a number on Zou but soon after got 1 shotted out of the water. Black Beard got eF'd up left and right and still managed to win at life. Burgess couldn't handle Sabo. And Shanks let a mountain Bandit kidnap Luffy and then lost an arm for it.
These Emperors and their men are larger than life but they aren't infallible. As a matter of fact, seeing them mess up from time to time makes it so much more interesting. When it comes to the Big Mom's, the Straw Hats aren't even fighting them head on like its some sort of Mexican Standoff, it took a lot of sneaking around and dirty deals to get done what they have gotten done.
Makes you wonder, why do people expect most of the Yonkou (along with their crew) to be invincible, unreasonable, unflawed beasts? Yes, they do have a VERY well-known reputation, but they still bleed red blood and make oopsies too.
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Just saw this on reddit and it honestly cracked me up:
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And this is why the fish has no place in the crew.
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It's been hours since he was knocked out. CP9 was knocked out on an island that was razed to the ground and look what happened there. As far as distance is concerned they have flying magic carpets and warp zones in the form of mirror world. When it comes to Pudding having a reason to get into Streusen's memories well Streusel is the longest working member of the Big Mom Pirates, if something should intrigue Pudding or anyone about why Big Mom is the way that she is, why wouldn't Pudding look into his mind?
The logistics between how and why in this manga don't apply when questioned and compared to real life.
I know it's been hours. But again, they explicitly said in Ch. 773 it'd take days for him to recover.
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I mean, I guess that could just be ignored because reasons, where he at least wakes up, can start a conversation. But I'll stick with what the text says for the time being. Well, not that he personally has any reason to come to Big Mom himself anyhow. And I'm aware that stuff like distances and what not aren't usually something to get hung up over. But when this portion of the arc makes a big deal about how long it takes to sail from WCI to Cacao Island (or close to it in this context), when it makes sure you know what time it is every now and then, etc., then I don't see the issue in taking that into account for this specific context. As for Brulee transporting him, I'm just simply under the impression that that won't happen because well, Brulee is quite preoccupied at the moment.
That said, I am aware that Pudding can travel much faster when using her homie carpet. So basically it's up to Pudding to want to look at his memories. Currently there's no real reason for her to do so, so we'll see what Oda comes up with, assuming that's what going to happen. Her or anyone else in her family only now wanting to see why Big Mom has her tempestuous food cravings would be kind of weird? It's not as if this is Big Mom's first rampage or anything. While this is admittedly somewhat uncharted territory for them in terms of how starved she is, the objective is the same as it has always been: Feed her. Now if within the next couple of chapters Big Mom were to utter something strange or from her past or whatever, I guess that could be one way of going about giving Pudding the idea to use her abilities on Streusen though.
I guess my hang-up is just that, it sure would've saved time for Pudding to have brought Streusen along to begin with. Or something where like she needed to look into his memories in order to know the recipe or something like that. Then maybe she inadvertently sees what Streusen saw that fateful day, is shocked or whatever, setting up Pudding to reveal what she saw later on in the arc. Instead now it seems that it will have to be that Pudding goes all the way back to WCI, and then comes back with that knowledge. In response to that, I'm like… Okay I guess. Just seems like some time could've been saved there is all.
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I know it's been hours. But again, they explicitly said in Ch. 773 it'd take days for him to recover.
Recover is one thing. Being conscious enough to talk and simply move around is something else entirely. He is the only one on the island who has any idea what happened to Linlin as a 5 year old girl. His part in this arc is far from over. Plus with Stussy around who almost certainly knows the identity of Mother Caramel there will certainly be some reason to cross reference the knowledge between the two.
I don't think anyone wanting to know about Big Mom's psyche now is strange at all. The first time we saw someone pry into her past they got the life sucked right out of them. Most of the children understand her and generally know to keep to themselves about certain things. On this very day they are all seeing something from their 60 something year old mother that they have never seen before. Between never allowing their mother to go without her desired food for this long to actually seeing her lose weight and become something new may bring about direct questions that the children never thought to ask before.
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Am I the only one who is interested in why daifuku is the one saying "did you call for me master"[goshujin sama~~] and not the genie ?!
https://s10.postimg.org/5arnzo0c9/Daifuku.png
(Notice the speech bubble)
The face of a Straw Hat.