Luffy's "supposed" lie was a bit different in Viz translations.
He said: "Come back son, You guys! This'll be over Quick….And am gonna get bored just waiting around!!"
In that case, Jimbe's reaction will be to the this will be over quick part.
Luffy's "supposed" lie was a bit different in Viz translations.
He said: "Come back son, You guys! This'll be over Quick….And am gonna get bored just waiting around!!"
In that case, Jimbe's reaction will be to the this will be over quick part.
So can Katakuri copy gear fourth as well?
I know the powers don't work like that, but I would like Luffy using Brulee to fight as Mirror Luffy. Instead of carrying a barrel of water, we get Brulee.
I don't want Luffy to rely on gimmicks like water or Brulee. It's about time that he shows how he himself and he only can stand up to Yonko Commanders and the Yonko in expanding his abilities. Not that I expect Luffy to beat Kaido on his own, or even truly defeat him. But still.
@Count:
I don't want Luffy to rely on gimmicks like water or Brulee. It's about time that he shows how he himself and he only can stand up to Yonko Commanders and the Yonko in expanding his abilities. Not that I expect Luffy to beat Kaido on his own, or even truly defeat him. But still.
I would take more gimmicks over doflamingo like awakening or more haki, but that's just me.
On the bright side, at least the break didn't happen after we saw the wave for the first time.
"Sorry, Luffy…I think we're on break next week..."
@uniaka:
I would take more gimmicks over doflamingo like awakening or more haki, but that's just me.
Why do we need either of those things? All Oda needs to do is expand his creativity with Luffy's rubber properties more instead of relying on power levels and sudden power-ups.
Gear Fourth should pack enough power and speed to defeat Katakuri (even if just barely). Luffy problem in this fight in figuring out how to injure a body that seems able to ignore any kind of damage even against haki. His problem in this fight is not that he is weak, but that he still didn't figure out Katakuri's secret - once he figures out how to damage him, he can enter Gear Fourth and fight properly.
If Luffy needs to improve something is stamina so he can use Bounce man for longer than 10 minutes. If he didn't had to treat it as a last resort kind of thing that can only be used for a brief moment, he could have been using it against Katakuri since the start - he would still be unable to hurt him, but at least wouldn't be getting his ass kicked.
The fact that Luffy hasn't used Gear 4th yet is incredibly smart. The forms we've seen thus far don't provide a solution to Katakuri's observation haki.
Luffy would just be delaying the inevitable if he can't overcome that big obstacle. Once Gear 4th runs out, it'll be game over.
Does anyone feel the power level scaling is a bit off? Are likes of Jozu and Marco strong like cracker, katakuri and Jack? I can't help but think if BM and her crew had invaded Marineford, they would have left with Ace still alive and the crew intact. Or are the Admirals that ridiculous? Would the Admirals have made a little work of Katakuri and Jack the way they handled Jozu and Marco?
Does anyone feel the power level scaling is a bit off? Are likes of Jozu and Marco strong like cracker, katakuri and Jack? I can't help but think if BM and her crew had invaded Marineford, they would have left with Ace still alive and the crew intact. Or are the Admirals that ridiculous? Would the Admirals have made a little work of Katakuri and Jack the way they handled Jozu and Marco?
The Admirals are monsters. I wouldn't see the Straw Hats having any considerable success with the Whitebeard Pirates either. It's just that out of all the Yonko's crews they've gone up against the toughest foes.
I think Luffy is going to reveal a new version of Gear 4. We've already seen boundman, which is primarily an offensive power form. Tankman, which I'm assuming has a regular version in addition to a full version, is primarily used for Defense. The next form will probably be speedman, or bulletman and is based around agility. I can see Luffy using this form and Katakuri seeing himself get punched or kicked ahead of time but unaware from where it's coming from so he can't avoid it.
Does anyone feel the power level scaling is a bit off? Are likes of Jozu and Marco strong like cracker, katakuri and Jack? I can't help but think if BM and her crew had invaded Marineford, they would have left with Ace still alive and the crew intact. Or are the Admirals that ridiculous? Would the Admirals have made a little work of Katakuri and Jack the way they handled Jozu and Marco?
I don't see why not. Katakuri, Jack, Smoothie, and Cracker haven't shown any feats that Marco, Jozu, and probably Vista can't surmise to replicate. Jozu picked up and threw a giant chunk of iceberg. Rayleigh, the elderly former first mate of Roger, briefly tangled with Kizaru. Fujitora quickly dispatched base Luffy with one serious attack, as well as Zoro with a minor one. If Katakuri hasn't been getting hurt by any attacks, imagine how tough it must be to penetrate Marco's phoenix invulnerability.
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That is not a far cry from the destruction Big Mom has done this arc.
Marco should be able to pummel Luffy the same way that Katakuri is doing now. Jozu should be more durable than Cracker's biscuit soldiers. Vista should be more useful than Smoothie this entire arc just by swinging his sword.
Also consider that it's easy to think the Whitebeard Pirates look somewhat ineffective due to going up against foes around their caliber in Marineford while the Big Mom Pirates are picking on scrubs like the Straw Hats in this arc that don't even have their full crew intact.
Does anyone feel the power level scaling is a bit off? Are likes of Jozu and Marco strong like cracker, katakuri and Jack? I can't help but think if BM and her crew had invaded Marineford, they would have left with Ace still alive and the crew intact. Or are the Admirals that ridiculous? Would the Admirals have made a little work of Katakuri and Jack the way they handled Jozu and Marco?
Katuri is an untouchable dude Marco is an unkillable bird. Jozu is physical monster while cracker has great armor. Smoothie juice people Ace burn them. I think the scalping is fine. BM can take a shitload WB can ditch a shitload. The advantage the BM has is that Cracker can spam combattants but again the Whitbeard have an u killable bird.
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Does anyone feel the power level scaling is a bit off? Are likes of Jozu and Marco strong like cracker, katakuri and Jack? I can't help but think if BM and her crew had invaded Marineford, they would have left with Ace still alive and the crew intact. Or are the Admirals that ridiculous? Would the Admirals have made a little work of Katakuri and Jack the way they handled Jozu and Marco?
Also the Whitebeard got Ace he just decided to play Marty McFly and kill himself. And the so great BM have lost their castle, got their wedding screwed, and are still failing at at accomplishing their goal of killing Germa. All that with the home advantage.
It's always kind of weird to think about how if Nami were somehow incapacitated, Cracker could theoretically be able to stalemate or even defeat the entire Straw Hat crew since only Gear Fourth can overpower just one with biscuit soldier with two Kong Guns. Minus Jimbei, of course.
@Count:
It's always kind of weird to think about how if Nami were somehow incapacitated, Cracker could theoretically be able to stalemate or even defeat the entire Straw Hat crew since only Gear Fourth can overpower just one with biscuit soldier with two Kong Guns. Minus Jimbei, of course.
I'm going to suppose having help would still result in Cracker's defeat. With 7 able bodies with various abilities focusing on 1 enemy I'm sure they are able to be slightly effective.
I'm going to suppose having help would still result in Cracker's defeat. With 7 able bodies with various abilities focusing on 1 enemy I'm sure they are able to be slightly effective.
Maybe. It all depends on if they can defeat Cracker in the timespan that Gear Fourth lasts the first time it is used. Otherwise, they are useless against a legion of biscuit soldiers unless maybe, just maybe, Zoro and Sanji teaming up can defeat one. But I imagine that would be as strenuous as the fight against PX-0 pre-timeskip.
@Count:
Maybe. It all depends on if they can defeat Cracker in the timespan that Gear Fourth lasts the first time it is used. Otherwise, they are useless against a legion of biscuit soldiers unless maybe, just maybe, Zoro and Sanji teaming up can defeat one. But I imagine that would be as strenuous as the fight against PX-0 pre-timeskip.
Pretty sure sure he actually needs the breathing room to do those crackers in the first place. Something 8 people should be able to make complicated. And Luffy has like a decent 20-30 minutes before he's done.
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I'm not even sure we saw the biscuits be really super autonomous themselves.
Pretty sure sure he actually needs the breathing room to do those crackers in the first place. Something 8 people should be able to make complicated. And Luffy has like a decent 20-30 minutes before he's done.
Six of those people are going to be easy to stomp though. They can become liabilities more than actual assets. But given how Nami was able to stay on the sidelines while Cracker focused only on Luffy… Yeah, the Straw Hats have a decent chance of winning. I still say it's a close match though.
@Count:
Six of those people are going to be easy to stomp though. They can become liabilities more than actual assets. But given how Nami was able to stay on the sidelines while Cracker focused only on Luffy… Yeah, the Straw Hats have a decent chance of winning. I still say it's a close match though.
Meh. They managed to not get stomped Oars when they were nothing but ants and Oars was unfeeling and immortal. I'm sure they can do just fine when they have 2 people not 2 shabby, one decently good and more abilities than before. Pop greens, diversions, long range short range, underground and aerial attacks. I think you focus to much on their level and not enough on how they would actually be a versatile group against one guy.
Meh. They managed to not get stomped Oars when they were nothing but ants and Oars was unfeeling and immortal. I'm sure they can do just fine when they have 2 people not 2 shabby, one decently good and more abilities than before. Pop greens, diversions, long range short range, underground and aerial attacks. I think you focus to much on their level and not enough on how they would actually be a versatile group against one guy.
I wish I could give more credit to how versatile a group like the Straw Hats are when the fight pairings in this series are always about putting the strongest against the strongest and the weakest against the weakest/haxest, with the latter always being useless against stronger opponents no matter how unique their skill sets are outside of the VERY rare instances of team-up fights. But since this is a team-up fight, I suppose I wasn't giving the Straw Hats the credit they deserve.
God, Rabiyan must be a jet carpet. cuz he flew all the way to Cacao Island in what an hour? that or the sunny is one of the slowest vessels in the world… We'll make it to Cacao Island in 10 hours using our fastest speed (Nami).. Maybe there are portals in Totland connecting Islands. This is truly inconsistent...:wassat:
God, Rabiyan must be jet carpet. cuz he flew all the way to Cacao Island in what an hour? that or the sunny is one of the slowest vessels in the world… We'll make it to Cacao Island in 10 hours using our fastest speed (Nami).. Maybe there are portals in Totland connecting Islands. This is truly inconsistent...:wassat:
Aren't boats slow when it comes to travel?
@Count:
I wish I could give more credit to how versatile a group like the Straw Hats are when the fight pairings in this series are always about putting the strongest against the strongest and the weakest against the weakest/haxest, with the latter always being useless against stronger opponents no matter how unique their skill sets are outside of the VERY rare instances of team-up fights. But since this is a team-up fight, I suppose I wasn't giving the Straw Hats the credit they deserve.
This would never happen if the SHs actually did have a team fight against Cracker, and correct me if I'm saying anything inaccurate, but couldn't Robin just break his neck/clutch him while the others distracted him? Or couldn't Franky just vaporize him using a radical beam through the soldiers considering that they likely aren't are hard as Cesar's strong-enough-to-resist-Sanji's-kicks-without-any-form-of-visible-damage walls? I dunno, it just feels like they have a lot of easy options in-universe to beat a singe guy (that isn't a tank like a Yonko or Mingo) if they're willing to use fatal force.
@No:
This would never happen if the SHs actually did have a team fight against Cracker, and correct me if I'm saying anything inaccurate, but couldn't Robin just break his neck/clutch him while the others distracted him? Or couldn't Franky just vaporize him using a radical beam through the soldiers considering that they likely aren't are hard as Cesar's strong-enough-to-resist-Sanji's-kicks-without-any-form-of-visible-damage walls? I dunno, it just feels like they have a lot of easy options in-universe to beat a singe guy (that isn't a tank like a Yonko or Mingo) if they're willing to use fatal force.
I don't see Franky's Radical Beam being more powerful than Gear Third coated with Armament Haki. I understand that, scientifically, lasers should be able to melt through things in comparison to the blunt damage of a really big punch. But we have to remember that this is a shonen that is going to ignore certain things like that. Technically, anybody who can react to Kizaru's attacks should move/attack faster than light. But do you truly believe that anybody is faster than light in this series? I even doubt Kizaru himself is. Again, comics like these are meant to be more flashy and cool than scientifically consistent. It's just how comics work. Franky's laser beams are more glorified explosions at the end of the day.
Cracker can cover or hide himself in his armor against Robin. Or Robin simply doesn't do anything the same way she didn't do anything against Diamante. Robin's powers always get nerfed somehow lol.
@Count:
I don't see Franky's Radical Beam being more powerful than Gear Third coated with Armament Haki. I understand that, scientifically, lasers should be able to melt through things in comparison to the blunt damage of a really big punch. But we have to remember that this is a shonen that is going to ignore certain things like that. Technically, anybody who can react to Kizaru's attacks should move/attack faster than light. But do you truly believe that anybody is faster than light in this series? I even doubt Kizaru himself is. Again, comics like these are meant to be more flashy and cool than scientifically consistent. It's just how comics work. Franky's laser beams are more glorified explosions at the end of the day.
Cracker can cover or hide himself in his armor against Robin. Or Robin simply doesn't do anything the same way she didn't do anything against Diamante. Robin's powers always get nerfed somehow lol.
Yeah, you're right. I just can't think of what OP logic would be used to justify how super-hard biscuits block a laser. I mean, it's not a devil fruit power, so you shouldn't be able to just block it with haki Shanks-style, unless "based off Kizaru's devil fruit" is good enough for the haki gods…
Regarding Robin, yeah, it's one of my personal least favorite things about OP since she's one of my favorite characters, but she would most likely get plot-nerfed for the sake of having an exciting fight lol. I was imagining something like what happened in the manga, Luffy, Zoro or Sanji some team attack breaks the first solider, causing Cracker to come out and gloat, then several SHs try to rush him, he makes more biscuits to block them and gloats some more, then Robin acts. If only…well, I guess I can't complain too much since she got a badass moment in Dressrosa when she effortless stopped Habuka, who's worth around 300 Million right now and slaughtered his entire tournament block. Sanji, on the other hand...lasted a few seconds against Doflamingo? Edit: Another boring but practical solution would be to have Brook put Cracker to sleep/soul hypnozite him after his real body his revealed so the others can beat him up
@No:
Yeah, you're right. I just can't think of what OP logic would be used to justify how super-hard biscuits block a laser. I mean, it's not a devil fruit power, so you shouldn't be able to just block it with haki Shanks-style, unless "based off Kizaru's devil fruit" is good enough for the haki gods…
Regarding Robin, yeah, it's one of my personal least favorite things about OP since she's one of my favorite characters, but she would most likely get plot-nerfed for the sake of having an exciting fight lol. I was imagining something like what happened in the manga, Luffy, Zoro or
Sanjisome team attack breaks the first solider, causing Cracker to come out and gloat, then several SHs try to rush him, he makes more biscuits to block them and gloats some more, then Robin acts. If only…well, I guess I can't complain too much since she got a badass moment in Dressrosa when she effortless stopped Habuka, who's worth around 300 Million right now and slaughtered his entire tournament block. Sanji, on the other hand...lasted a few seconds against Doflamingo?
Easy. Armament Haki and/or the crackers being that tough against explosions with a sprinkle of Oda conveniently forgetting lasers literally melt through walls. Kizaru's lasers always end up as huge explosions, so imagine a biscuit soldier tanking a mini version of that. Rayleigh knocked away Kizaru's leg with Armament Haki, so I don't see a laser being too much of a stretch with this manga. What I want to know is how Fujitora is supposed to be countered against. But I bet we will conveniently never learn that since he is bound to be an endgame ally.
lol at Sanji. Cracker's overconfidence may very well be his undoing.
Women in this manga, at least the pretty ones, are always going to shine if their opponent is female or they get to incapacitate somebody in one hit. If not, the fight gets interrupted or they comedically fly off like Team Rocket. Robin grabbing Hakuba was impressive, but nothing to get excited about when we look at the big picture. The only hope Robin has of getting some action is her final Blackbeard fight and perhaps Wano Country, but the latter is a big stretch I am not banking on.
Something funny that I like to imagine is Robin spawning arms on a biscuit soldier to whack them only to get her real hands broken from how tough their armor is.
Sanji was willing to take charge against Big Mom to sort of make up for that.
Does anyone feel the power level scaling is a bit off? Are likes of Jozu and Marco strong like cracker, katakuri and Jack? I can't help but think if BM and her crew had invaded Marineford, they would have left with Ace still alive and the crew intact. Or are the Admirals that ridiculous? Would the Admirals have made a little work of Katakuri and Jack the way they handled Jozu and Marco?
Not really, seems about right. I think WBs big three were Jozu, Ace and Marco in that order and i think they showed enough where if the tables were turned they'd be about equal. As i see them, the Admirals are a little stronger than the Yonkos strongest commander(Marco, Katakuri etc) and would always win in a one on one but after a long fight, meaning they're technically in the same tier, while the Admirals are clearly weaker than a Yonko and would not last as long against one that was going all out. I say this because Marco never really got defeated in the war, even when he got distracted and attacked by several marine VAs and Kizaru, they had to rely on seastone cuffs just to cripple him, while at the same time Marco really couldn't do anything against them. So that's the way my tiers work, Yonko>>Admiral>strongest in Yonko crew. This is why Jozu was no match against Aokiji, he was the second or third strongest after Marco so really at best he'd be able to just stall an Admiral, when he got distracted he got destroyed, unlike Marco, who was only crippled by Kizaru AND other VAs.
But really the only reason why the WB pirates looked so pathetic was because they were far from being at full strength. Not only was Ace not part of the battle, and i consider him the second strongest after Marco, but WB himself was a shell of his former self. Had WB been at full strength the battle would definitely gone differently, as none of the Admirals would have been able to stand up to him one on one for an extended period of time. No worrying about WBs health or protecting him, in fact he was a liability to a point, had he been at full strength the Admirals would have been reeling from trying to handle WB while at the same time being stalled by the big three, who just have to stall their Admiral until WB finishes of the one before him and moves on the next. To be honest, without the Shichibukai, a full strength WB crew might have been able to overpower the Marines, hence why they're so important.
So in the end, the WB pirates were definitely in a pathetic state and having their biggest asset(WB) turn into a liability was too much for them. Had WB been in his prime, i doubt the Marines have the balls to touch Ace in the first place.
@Count:
It's always kind of weird to think about how if Nami were somehow incapacitated, Cracker could theoretically be able to stalemate or even defeat the entire Straw Hat crew since only Gear Fourth can overpower just one with biscuit soldier with two Kong Guns. Minus Jimbei, of course.
That's what I love about One Piece. No power levels, all circumstantial. Just by the nature of his ability, Cracker could have done much more damage to Luffy. Meanwhile, someone like Eneru who could have killed the entire Strawhat crew pre-timeskip(And possibly post timeskip if you take away Haki), except his one weakness happens to be our main character.
If Luffy had Mr. 3's fruit instead of his own, he could have easily beat down Magellan with his Impel Down Arc strength. Just a matter of what abilities mach up sometimes. And obviously the creativity of the fruit user.
Now that I'm thinking about it, Katakuri might have been even stronger with Cracker's fruit. He would have had that extra level of defense, plus with an army of biscuit soldiers and his Haki, he'd have a much more efficient army than Cracker.
luffy deserves the credit of killing all top enemy so far, doflamingo seems the hardest as he can regenerate and close all wound with string and awakened, while for cracker, he is not summoning legion of biscuits but its unlimited biscuit armor…
The thing about cracker is that the difference between tough army and nothing is so small. Imagine if cracker would live in one of those countries where it rains often. He would be f**** without anyone even moving a finger.
Cracker must be one of those guys that checks the weather often on the news before he attacks a country.
But I do give luffy the credit for beating cracker. He beat water wekaness enemies before alone, even his blood fists used to work, and Who says tankman needs that advantage, when he was smashing the armors with cracker.
If he gets some Dance Powder, he's golden.
@Count:
I don't see Franky's Radical Beam being more powerful than Gear Third coated with Armament Haki. I understand that, scientifically, lasers should be able to melt through things in comparison to the blunt damage of a really big punch. But we have to remember that this is a shonen that is going to ignore certain things like that. Technically, anybody who can react to Kizaru's attacks should move/attack faster than light. But do you truly believe that anybody is faster than light in this series? I even doubt Kizaru himself is. Again, comics like these are meant to be more flashy and cool than scientifically consistent. It's just how comics work. Franky's laser beams are more glorified explosions at the end of the day.
Cracker can cover or hide himself in his armor against Robin. Or Robin simply doesn't do anything the same way she didn't do anything against Diamante. Robin's powers always get nerfed somehow lol.
Well, Cracker's crackers weren't immune to water despite Haki coating. So I imagine excessive heat should also have an effect. SHOULD.
As I understood Kizaru's ability, he's fast when it comes to straight and simple movements. It was pretty evident when he had to plot out his route prior to cutting off Apoo. Despite him being light and possesing the potential to be as fast as light, his brain can't handle thinking and reacting at the same speed. That's why someone with good Observation and decent agility, except Sanji, actually has a shot against him. That is unless Kizaru decides to laser bomb the shit out of the entire area.
That's what I love about One Piece. No power levels, all circumstantial. Just by the nature of his ability, Cracker could have done much more damage to Luffy. Meanwhile, someone like Eneru who could have killed the entire Strawhat crew pre-timeskip(And possibly post timeskip if you take away Haki), except his one weakness happens to be our main character.
If Luffy had Mr. 3's fruit instead of his own, he could have easily beat down Magellan with his Impel Down Arc strength. Just a matter of what abilities mach up sometimes. And obviously the creativity of the fruit user.
Now that I'm thinking about it, Katakuri might have been even stronger with Cracker's fruit. He would have had that extra level of defense, plus with an army of biscuit soldiers and his Haki, he'd have a much more efficient army than Cracker.
It is kind of ironic how it is only in the second half of the series that Luffy's arc opponents are definitively stronger than one another each arc. Although I still with that Oda could get more crazy with the fights for Luffy's crewmates since they are the ones bound by a power level hierarchy, albeit a more subtle one than Dragon Ball Z. Zoro is always going to fight the second strongest that is typically a swordsman (remember that random ass moment where Pica pulled sword out of nowhere that barely made Zoro budge?). Sanji fights the third strongest. Franky and Chopper are sort of in the middle. Nami, and women by default, are the weakest people in a crew so of course they have to fight (and it typically revolves around the female opponent being an idiot by underestimating Nami by literally standing still for some of her attacks). Usopp is always reserved for fighting young girls with random hax Devil Fruit abilities that only he has some convenient comedic advantage against, yet has never even fought a single marksman in a fight yet besides the inevitable showdown with Van Auger. Robin and Brook's fights are nonexistent, which often relegates them to support or getting defeated.
Not that I mind any of these types of fights, but… Imagine if Oda found a way for Usopp to be the one to defeat Jabra instead of Sanji. The lying sniper versus the lying wolf. Or at least kept Zoro and Usopp in a hilarious team-up against Kaku. Not that I don't like Diable Jambe, but either of those fights would have been awesome. You can't tell me that's impossible Usopp with Dials and familiarity was able to push Luffy a bit. Or imagine if Usopp was in this arc. What if he could actually rival and overwhelm Katakuri when it came to sniping since Katakuri can slick jellybeans at people? I'm not saying that Usopp should literally defeat Katakuri, but a feat like that against a freaking Yonko Commander would be such a great way to cement Usopp as the up and coming Sniper King no matter how strong his opponent is.
Well, Cracker's crackers weren't immune to water despite Haki coating. So I imagine excessive heat should also have an effect. SHOULD.
That depends on if heat is an intuitive weakness of biscuits or Oda's creativity operates on exaggerated/cartoony logic not too dissimilar from superheroes having arbitrary weaknesses like green rocks or the color yellow.
As I understood Kizaru's ability, he's fast when it comes to straight and simple movements. It was pretty evident when he had to plot out his route prior to cutting off Apoo. Despite him being light and possesing the potential to be as fast as light, his brain can't handle thinking and reacting at the same speed. That's why someone with good Observation and decent agility actually has a shot against him. That is unless Kizaru decides to laser bomb the shit out of the entire area.
All of this is very possible.
As I understood Kizaru's ability, he's fast when it comes to straight and simple movements. It was pretty evident when he had to plot out his route prior to cutting off Apoo. Despite him being light and possesing the potential to be as fast as light, his brain can't handle thinking and reacting at the same speed. That's why someone with good Observation and decent agility actually has a shot against him. That is unless Kizaru decides to laser bomb the shit out of the entire area.
That sounds like Sanji.
! If only his legs would not break when he is kicking enemies :ninja:
@uniaka:
That sounds like Sanji.
! If only his legs would not break when he is kicking enemies :ninja:
Thanks for bringing it to my attention, edited the post. ^^
I don't expect Sanji's supposed talents on Observation Haki to ever pay off. It's going to be about 300 chapters now and all he has done is sense Surume and/or Caribou's presence (alongside Luffy and Zoro) and dodge a jellybean from foresight man (whose foresight has never worked after sniping Jigra the organ dealer). Usopp has a better Observation feat than he will probably ever gave.
Zoro's specialty is Armament Haki, but I have my doubts that his Armament Haki is stronger than Luffy's.
Didn't Katakuri used his foresight here?
https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/879/page/15
It's left unclear as to whether it was foresight or he is that quick. Regardless, the foresight is only ever going to be used for plot devices if anything.
I don't think they would show Luffy disappearing in a panel and then right in the next Katakuri kicking him out of nowhere if the foresight wasn't obvious.
Unless Katakuri is also fast and reactive. I don't think Gear Second is exactly that overwhelming for pirates this late in the game.
In general. Shouldn't Cracker be awake by now? It's been one day since he has been defeated
In general. Shouldn't Cracker be awake by now? It's been one day since he has been defeated
They did mention that he had extremely low pain tolerance, and that a single hit would do him in. Luffy sent him through multiple trees against a wall. And that's after half a day of fighting. So I'd say he's gonna be out probably for the rest of the arc.
@Count:
I don't expect Sanji's supposed talents on Observation Haki to ever pay off. It's going to be about 300 chapters now and all he has done is sense Surume and/or Caribou's presence (alongside Luffy and Zoro) and dodge a jellybean from foresight man (whose foresight has never worked after sniping Jigra the organ dealer). Usopp has a better Observation feat than he will probably ever gave.
Zoro's specialty is Armament Haki, but I have my doubts that his Armament Haki is stronger than Luffy's.
He seems to dodge attacks and bullets more often then the others, and since someone that trained his coo very hard can see a bit into the future, maybe sanji will be the next katakuri.
But yes, usoop had the most impressive coo thing so far, even above luffy.
@Count:
Unless Katakuri is also fast and reactive. I don't think Gear Second is exactly that overwhelming for pirates this late in the game.
He sure is, but he might have also been using a feint.
This is why I dislike the Observation as a concept. As it is now, allowing actual foresight instead of just feeling how your enemy will move. It's like time travel paradox.
Katakuri sees Luffy dodging > but it was his kick that made him dodge > he kicks him with the other leg because Luffy dodged the original kick that might have been a feint.
Does that mean Katakuri has no control over what he's doing? If he's predicting what his enemy is doing and acting accordingly, it's like he has no real control over what he's doing. In a way, you might argue that, instead of controlling the flow of battle, he's just reacting to what he sees. Just going in circles.
How does his mind even work? Because the future he sees might change at any moment because his opponent might change his mind at any moment.
Seeing how he's forced to react based on his premonitions, that could also be exploitable. If this was HxH I'd definitely expect something like that happening, but since it's OP, I'm not really sure Oda would go that way. First of all, his battles are less cerebral and second, Luffy is maybe too straightforward to consider something like that.
I don't think Katakuri's ability should be seen as actually seeing the future.
I mean, in a sense CoO has always been about "seeing the future" in the sense that it works in a fight by reading the enemy's energy (or whatever you call it) and predicting how they will move next, thus avoiding their attack. Technically everyone who uses it in a fight to dodge an attack is "seeing into the future" in the same way as Katakuri is.
What makes Katakuri special (at least that's my take on it) is that he has such an acute ability to read the others that by reading the flow of their energy he can predict not just how hey move immediately after that, but many seconds ahead, each of their actions, how they will react to the action of others, etc. It is a combination of a very powerful CoO and a very sharp mind with the ability to properly judge a person's behavior and their course of action. His impersonation of Joseph in the last chapter is good as an example of this, because that's exactly of Joseph does (Joseph doesn't see the future, he can predict what someone will say because he is just that smart and that amazing at reading others).
My way of seeing it is to assume that Katakuri's CoO is as finetuned at the future vision aspect as Enel's CoO was with the extension of his Mantra across massively large areas.
In other words, Katakuri is amazing at one specific aspect of CoO, but is relatively normal when comparing the other aspects of CoO to Enel's abilities.
Personally, I'd still hold off on what Zoro's capabilities are post timeskip. Saying he'd struggle against biscuit soldiers when we haven't really seen what he has in his locker…? Not trying overestimate him but he did train with the strongest swordsman, has to count for something. Zoro vs Cracker who would win? (If this were a death match)
In general. Shouldn't Cracker be awake by now? It's been one day since he has been defeated
He was sensitive to pain and he was heavily injured. he's still probably incapacitated.
He was sensitive to pain and he was heavily injured. he's still probably incapacitated.
I hate that because of just the way oda writes, we don't expect someone to really be incapacitated when they are defeated. thats so stupid, really the one thing i hate about one piece.
WHen you folks talk about him seeing the future as just being haki, keep in mind that he heard the words Luffy was going to say. So it’s possible he has powers like Sharly on Fishman Island.
Or he could’ve just seen a few moments ahead through haki and read Luffy’s Lips? But even then, that knocks out the theory that haki is more of a sense and feeling, but is rather seeing in detail what happens.