Yeah this arc had a lot of characters but how many of them were we actually supposed to devote a significant amount of interest in?
Chapter 877: I'm Not That Sweet
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Perospero grew to be one of my favorite characters, so I hope he used hax devilfruit powers to build a protective shell around him to survive this.
I mean, you can't "not" love a villain who simply lives for the villain speech.On the other hand, Pedro's sacrifice would be null, if he didn't take down at least one enemy, because let's face it, Big Mom will not be damaged by this at all.
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He'll at least be out of commission long enough for the Sunny, Chopper, and Brook to be free of his candy.
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How is this arc stuffed with too many characters, though? Dressrosa, sure, there is no denying that this was one of the arcs main problems, that it tried to do too many things at once. But in this arc we have the Big Mom Pirates, the Vinsmokes and Bege and co. and that is pretty much it. Pretty much every arc in the whole series had two or three different fractions aside from maybe the very short early arcs. Look at Skypiea or Water 7/Enies Lobby.
Given the 85 children from Big Mum, that becomes quite rapidly overcrowded
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Given the 85 children from Big Mum, that becomes quite rapidly overcrowded
But only like 15 matter
Pudding, chiffon, praline, brulee, opera, mont-d'or, cracker, smoothie, katakuri, perospero, daifuku, oven, galette, moscato, compoteAnd by matter I mean they are named, because praline, gallette, smoothie and compote have as of yet zero plot relevance.
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the fact you admit they have zero plot relevance kinda proves they were unnecessary
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But only like 15 matter
Pudding, chiffon, praline, brulee, opera, mont-d'or, cracker, smoothie, katakuri, perospero, daifuku, oven, galette, moscato, compoteAnd by matter I mean they are named, because praline, gallette, smoothie and compote have as of yet zero plot relevance.
15 is still a lot, maybe even more than can be handled properly. Even without other less important ones taking up panel space.
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the fact tyiu admit they have zero plot relevance kinda proves they were unnecessary
Absolutely not! Yonkou crew cannot be just 5 people, this is arc that needs "extras". Just like Marineford war, where out of all these WB allies, only Squardo, White Bay and Little Oars Jr. turned out to be important. The world with only major characters seems empty, and one of the commonly praised aspects of OP is that the world Oda created seems alive. Also, Praline is there to tie Sun Pirates with Big Mom Pirates, and may prove to be important later.
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Absolutely not! Yonkou crew cannot be just 5 people, this is arc that needs "extras". Just like Marineford war, where out of all these WB allies, only Squardo, White Bay and Little Oars Jr. turned out to be important. The world with only major characters seems empty, and one of the commonly praised aspects of OP is that the world Oda created seems alive. Also, Praline is there to tie Sun Pirates with Big Mom Pirates, and may prove to be important later.
You can make a big crew without having to introduced all of them. Fodders are really helpfull for that. Look at the chapter when Mum crew attack Luffy and Nami. It was impressive and alive without knowing all characters being necessary
Marineford was a terrible arc for me with all this jumpings from character to character. I find you cannot create tension with such a method. -
You can make a big crew without having to introduced all of them. Fodders are really helpfull for that. Look at the chapter when Mum crew attack Luffy and Nami. It was impressive and alive without knowing all characters being necessary
Marineford was a terrible arc for me with all this jumpings from character to character. I find you cannot create tension with such a method.What does change if they're named? Galette, Daifuku, Oven, Compote etc. are just there in the background of things doing their small roles, showcasing other characters. It's not like they're getting their own separate story lines that amount to nothing like, e. g. Bleach and Fracciones who each got their 1-3 chapters long fights. Skipping their names would be just be saving one introduction panel for each. I agree though that Smoothie is a waste due to attention her rank demands. About Marineford, I find chaos a good way of creating tension, but I guess it's a matter of taste.
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the fact you admit they have zero plot relevance kinda proves they were unnecessary
That doesn't make much sense. Oda isn't obligated to give every single minor character he creates or uses in the background major spotlight in the story. Many of these characters are just there to look interesting or funny and nothing else. I'd rather have a spectacle like Big Mom's Tea Party filled with creatively designed background characters than look at an empty room with a few characters in it. Especially because a) the setting for this plot was a wedding, so of course there would be quite a lot of guests present and b) Big Mom is called Big Mom exactly because she has so many children. It would be pretty disappointing if we didn't get at least a look at a lot of them. Doesn't mean they should all play a huge part in the story.
Anyway, this is all completely besides the point because the actual complaint was that Oda supposedly introduced too many characters that are supposed to get some focus and don't, because it's too much to handle for Oda like it was in Dressrosa. That doesn't translate to "every character that Oda introduces most have major importance to the story". Praline, for example, isn't unnecessary: Big Mom ties other Pirate crews to her family through marriage. Therefore, since it had been established that Jinbe's crew works for Big Mom, someone in his crew had to be married to one of Big Moms children. That is pretty much Praline's role in the plot. Oda could of course decide to give her more focus, like he is doing with Chiffon right now, but he doesn't have to.
You can make a big crew without having to introduced all of them. Fodders are really helpfull for that. Look at the chapter when Mum crew attack Luffy and Nami. It was impressive and alive without knowing all characters being necessary
He didn't introduce all of them. For all intents and purposes, most characters in Big Moms family and crew are pretty much fodder. They just have more interesting designs than random Marine soldiers and maybe some of them get a name, but that's it, that does not mean they are supposed to have a huge part in the story.
15 is still a lot, maybe even more than can be handled properly. Even without other less important ones taking up panel space.
It's even more if you count members of Big Moms crew that aren't part of her family, like Baron Tamago. Still, do you really feel like most of Big Moms crew hasn't been handled properly? Pudding, Chiffon, Perospero, Brulee, Cracker and Katakuri certainly have had a nice amount of screentime, as well as side characters like Streusel or King Baum. The only one who certainly has been neglected so far is Smoothie, since we, the readership, of course expect one of Big Mom's strongest fighters to, well, do something. I'm only going to judge the handling of her character once this arc is actually over though. Just because a characters hasn't done anything so far doesn't mean he won't still be important.
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But only like 15 matter
Pudding, chiffon, praline, brulee, opera, mont-d'or, cracker, smoothie, katakuri, perospero, daifuku, oven, galette, moscato, compoteAnd by matter I mean they are named, because praline, gallette, smoothie and compote have as of yet zero plot relevance.
I think you might be missing a couple here or there. Amande, Noble croc (Even i he is just a special homie), randolf (Even if he's a homie), Pekoms (a warrior not a son), Count niwatory (Another warrior), the kids with the balloons, the sadistic girl with knives who wanted to kill them or dissect a teddy bear or whatever. Panda-girl, scarecrow-man, giant hat, the minister who was demoted or killed, Streussen (not a son but still family-little grandpa maybe?). Her crew is indeed impressive….
Edit: Bobbin and his sleeping bell.....
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yeah but 'good riddance' kinda means 'glad I got rid of you', 'wanted you to be gone anyway'.
It doesn't mean 'good bye', or 'fairwell'. So it's just generally a bad translation.
Oh I see, it's about being a too loose translation.
Since Hylia mentioned "old fashioned" I though he was complaining about it being somewhat anachronic. -
I think you might be missing a couple here or there. Amande, Noble croc (Even i he is just a special homie), randolf (Even if he's a homie), Pekoms (a warrior not a son), Count niwatory (Another warrior), the kids with the balloons, the sadistic girl with knives who wanted to kill them or dissect a teddy bear or whatever. Panda-girl, scarecrow-man, giant hat, the minister who was demoted or killed, Streussen (not a son but still family-little grandpa maybe?). Her crew is indeed impressive….
Edit: Bobbin and his sleeping bell.....
Sure, there are other members of the Big Mom crew, but I just counted the children. But seeing how Amande is the Minister of Nuts, she might actually be a daughter.
While Whole Cake Island introduced a lot of characters, I still think that all of them are memorable. I still have trouble with most of the Dressrosa characters. I only remember Doflamingo's main crew, the Riku family, two dwarfs and a couple gladiators. But that might just be me being so bored out of Dressrosa, that I stopped caring. -
You can make a big crew without having to introduced all of them. Fodders are really helpfull for that. Look at the chapter when Mum crew attack Luffy and Nami. It was impressive and alive without knowing all characters being necessary
Marineford was a terrible arc for me with all this jumpings from character to character. I find you cannot create tension with such a method.it's funny how people never say "ok I was wrong you have a good point" and prefer to go on and on
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Perospero grew to be one of my favorite characters, so I hope he used hax devilfruit powers to build a protective shell around him to survive this.
I mean, you can't "not" love a villain who simply lives for the villain speech.He should be fast enough to do that, given how he could create a escalator the size of the BM's gargantuan castle instantaneously. However, fire seems to be able to destroy his candies on the spot, so it shuldn't be useful against an explosion.
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it's funny how people never say "ok I was wrong you have a good point" and prefer to go on and on
It's funny how you consider that a good point.
Of course an emperor's crew can't be composed of only 5 strong people. But when you put the entire crew of supposedly competent pirates in one place and speed up the pace of the story, too many of them are reduced to doing not much to nothing.
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Of course an emperor's crew can't be composed of only 5 strong people. But when you put the entire crew of supposedly competent pirates in one place and speed up the pace of the story, too many of them are reduced to doing not much to nothing.
I fail to see how that is a problem. Every story has some background characters that only exist to help showcase the main ones and make the world more colorful, that's Galette, Daifuku, Amande etc. here. It only becomes bad when character is implied or hyped to be important (like Smoothie). Unless your problem is that this huge crew seemed to disappear at times during the wedding. Then you have a fair point, but that would be an issue even if they were mooks.
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That's just because not everyone was at the wedding party itself. They had other positions to take during the ceremony, as we saw with Count Niwatori inside the castle. It would be ridiculous for such a huge and diverse organization as the Big Mom Pirates, who rule over an entire archipelago, to ALL concentrate on that small rooftop. Only the most important people actually participated in the ceremony.
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Unless your problem is that this huge crew seemed to disappear at times during the wedding. Then you have a fair point, but that would be an issue even if they were mooks.
That's it. Some of the inactivity can be explained with chaos and confusion, but not all of it. And considering it all, they might as well be random mooks. I get that it's hard for Oda to decide what to leave out, especially when he can let his imagination go wild in an arc like this one. But sometimes less is more. We don't need to have each and every child and crewmember introduced, featured and being present at the main event. It's a nice bonus but it's not crucial for the plot.
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That doesn't make much sense. Oda isn't obligated to give every single minor character he creates or uses in the background major spotlight in the story. Many of these characters are just there to look interesting or funny and nothing else. I'd rather have a spectacle like Big Mom's Tea Party filled with creatively designed background characters than look at an empty room with a few characters in it..
Where do i say that panels should be empty ? I even said the contrary.
Typical of waste character is Bobbin. Pages about him have been written on this forum on how important he must be in the end he was just a cool design. -
Where do i say that panels should be empty ? I even said the contrary.
Typical of waste character is Bobbin. Pages about him have been written on this forum on how important he must be in the end he was just a cool design.Well, you implied that you'd prefer faceless mooks to colorful, named characters in the background.
I agree about Bobbin, actually. He is a special case though, because he was a) one of the very first Big Mom Pirates introduced to us, all the way back in the Fishman Island arc, creating at least a little bit of hype for him and b) he was re-introduced this arc all badass, saying that "he'll deal with Sanji on his own"….and then gets immediately dispatched offscreen. Pretty anticlimactic.
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Didn't see it posted on the forum yet, but Greg shared on Twitter that two spoiler providers for One Piece were arrested in Japan. They were reported as earning $4 million in ad revenue. Make of that what you will.
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Didn't see it posted on the forum yet, but Greg shared on Twitter that two spoiler providers for One Piece were arrested in Japan. They were reported as earning $4 million in ad revenue. Make of that what you will.
4m yen? Because if it's US, it would come in handy to send the spoilers. Otherwise… nah.
I wonder what a HxH spoiler provider profit would be? it was always first.
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https://twitter.com/ochimusha108
He tweeted a few things about it, so I'll just link his twitter.
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Ok, so far, Cabbage has a fan-club of women capable of navigating the NW, Barto stole territory from Shanks(lol) and Sai is likely come to an agreement with Uholicia marrying Boo(lmao), it really really seems the Grand Fleet will be getting bigger for their arrival to Wano.
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Katakuri not burning down/damage the ship when he had it all to himself and his crew looks stupid now that he is alone with SHs captured on the ship away from his crew and BM. Also more stupid that he was just standing there next to perospero while Brook and chopper beat up their underlings.
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Katakuri not burning down/damage the ship when he had it all to himself and his crew looks stupid now that he is alone with SHs captured on the ship away from his crew and BM. Also more stupid that he was just standing there next to perospero while Brook and chopper beat up their underlings.
This discussion is over. He didn't made any wrong move.
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Katakuri not burning down/damage the ship when he had it all to himself and his crew looks stupid now that he is alone with SHs captured on the ship away from his crew and BM. Also more stupid that he was just standing there next to perospero while Brook and chopper beat up their underlings.
1. Burning the ship would have caused the Straw Hats to turn away and pursue another objective, like stealing some ship or going with the Firetanks. This way, they managed to catch and trap them, completely surrounding them in the ship. Pedro had to kill himself in order to give them a slight chance to escape.
2. By the time Chopper and Brook attacked the Sunny, they had seen a gigantic lightning bolt devastate the woods and assumed the Straw Hats had been caught and dealt with by Mama. Chopper and Brook were just nuisances and Peros and Katakuri were just having fun watching them strugle. Then Peros just took them out in seconds. What is the problem again?
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1. Burning the ship would have caused the Straw Hats to turn away and pursue another objective, like stealing some ship or going with the Firetanks. This way, they managed to catch and trap them, completely surrounding them in the ship. Pedro had to kill himself in order to give them a slight chance to escape.
2. By the time Chopper and Brook attacked the Sunny, they had seen a gigantic lightning bolt devastate the woods and assumed the Straw Hats had been caught and dealt with by Mama. Chopper and Brook were just nuisances and Peros and Katakuri were just having fun watching them strugle. Then Peros just took them out in seconds. What is the problem again?
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they didn't have the option to turn back, only go to katakuri since bm was after them and the trees from the forest made it hard for them to get out. They had no way of knowing what he will do to the ship until they get there.
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Not seconds, SHs had time to show up, kick their as and they still have time to save chopper and Brook from the full candy transformation. They had no reason to go easy after all SHs did so far in this arc and even think some random thunder can beat them after knowing how strong they are.
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Why didn't Katakuri burned the ship? So they could ambush them. No rocket science here.
Why he didn't do nothing? Because if I could see the future and predicted that my 700 million bounty old brother could deal it himself then I wouldn't bother wasting my energy and resources on them.
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Plus, why not save the ship and sail it under your flag? From Katakuri's perspective, the Straw Hats have a close to zero chance of successfully getting on the ship and escaping on it.
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they didn't have the option to turn back, only go to katakuri since bm was after them and the trees from the forest made it hard for them to get out. They had no way of knowing what he will do to the ship until they get there.
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Not seconds, SHs had time to show up, kick their as and they still have time to save chopper and Brook from the full candy transformation. They had no reason to go easy after all SHs did so far in this arc and even think some random thunder can beat them after knowing how strong they are.
I did not say turn back, but turn somewhere else. If they saw the ship burning from a distance (which is perfectly possible because, y'know, smoke), continuing to run toward it is a dumb decision. They could turn to the right or left and pursue another goal since they knew the Sunny was gone and there were enemies waiting. And yes, Perospero took Brook and Chopper out in mere seconds, it was off-panelled between the last 2 chapters. It took no effort at all to subdue them. The ones who had no way to know what was going on with the opposite side were Katakuri and Peros, who rightly assumed that Mama's thunderbolt took the Straw Hats out. The only person from Big Mom's crew who "survived" the attack was Linlin herself, so…
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Luffy is not onboard the Sunny, is he ? So i doubt he will stay alone against Katakuri and Mum. And even if he can stretch to get on, Katakuri can too
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Why he didn't do nothing? Because if I could see the future and predicted that my 700 million bounty old brother could deal it himself then I wouldn't bother wasting my energy and resources on them.
He says "just because…"... because he wants to reach Raftel and saw that Luffy will go reach faster than Lin Lin.
It's like Robin and Franky's way of joining the crew together.
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He says "just because…"... because he wants to reach Raftel and saw that Luffy will go reach faster than Lin Lin.
Capable though Katakuri might be, we're told his amazing observation haki lets him see a bit into the future. Not months or years; that would be Madame Shirley… Oh wait, does this make her the most proficient haki user in the entire world? :ninja:
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((yawns))
is this arc over yet
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Complaining will not wrap things up faster so stop barking.
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((yawns))
is this arc over yetYes, in the span of a few days, 10 + plus chapters were suddenly released at once. Very odd.
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@S.C.:
Yes, in the span of a few days, 10 + plus chapters were suddenly released at once. Very odd.
It turns out that Oda actually completed all of the chapters that were supposed to release during his breaks, and has planned to release the whole backlog later this year so that we can jump straight into the middle of Wano Country as the true secret surprise of One Piece's 20th anniversary.
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People are getting antsy for this arc to end, and here I am hoping it keeps going so we can delay Wano (which is giving me bad vibes).
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Can't explain myself how an arc including a Yonko, The Germa and a Worst Gen turned out this boring :/
((Lowers expectations for Wano))
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I'm excited for Wano, and I don't think that it will be boring at all, but I fear it's going to suffer from the same problems that plagued Dressrosa. Too many side characters and side plots that prolong the arc and make it a jumbled mess.
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How is totland boring at all?
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How is totland boring at all?
Oh wait, I know, I just stop visiting this website. Then I won't see this forced negativitythe sanji family stuff is so boring (although not as boring as the flashbacks in Dressrosa)
Big Mom's flashback was a good one , though. So we know that we can gain a DF by eating a DF user alive -
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Capable though Katakuri might be, we're told his amazing observation haki lets him see a bit into the future. Not months or years; that would be Madame Shirley… Oh wait, does this make her the most proficient haki user in the entire world? :ninja:
Sharley or Shirley or whatever's abilities are undefined, serve to create a sort of contrived conflict that is upstaged anyways when the NFP show up and serves only as direct foreshadowing. Im surprised it it's mostly overlooked
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I'm excited for Wano, and I don't think that it will be boring at all, but I fear it's going to suffer from the same problems that plagued Dressrosa. Too many side characters and side plots that prolong the arc and make it a jumbled mess.
But we already have background on a lot so it wont be from scratch like dressrosa was. There will probably be less main antagonists than dressrosa and not all of the fleet or whoever will go there to as part of the alliance needs Character development.
