Which is really weird, because throughout the manga "nakama" means specifically crewmate, I think. Other people are just treated as friends, "tomodachi" in japanese, I think. At least that how Jinbe was treated in Fishman Island at first, before Luffy asked him to specifically become his "nakama" :blink:
Here are some words that come out in the dictionary for 仲間 nakama for peoples reference.
「company, fellow, colleague, associate, comrade, mate, group, circle of friends, partner」
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still Paramecia?!
@abu:
still Paramecia?!
Shrugs
Still Paramecia…....somehow.
Has it been two weeks yet.
@S.C.:
Shrugs
Still Paramecia…....somehow.
Gotta be awakening. But if that were true then why did Oda redact it from a Logia? Seems like something he would have had in mind when designing Katakuri.
Has it been two weeks yet.
Ughhhhhhhh, gets me everytime. Prolly just anxious the arc is (hopefully) nearing its end.
Is that in regular time or birdcage time.
Hyperbolic Time Chamber time, it will only take a couple years for the next chapter to arrive.
Cannonballs, Sanji and the Smokes are not impressive.
Your arguments are anything but impressive also.
I'm so hyped for Wano after this chapter. I'm hyped for everything to be honest!
I hope Pedro stays dead. Great character, great ending. None of this Pell business.
Looks like someone isn't familiar with Oda's pattern.
@.access:
I was rereading the arc and just saw this scene where Bege shoots Katakuri in the head multiple times. So much for the dream that the head was the only real part of a real dwarf body. Guess his body is just logiaish for whatever reason.
I hope the fight between Luffy and Katakuri drags on for a few more chapters, one thing I am really enjoying in this arc is how creative some of these top tier devil fruit users are with their abilities. Also would be nice to see if Katakuri's abilities are awakened, giving him logia-like abilities.
@S.C.:
Shrugs
Still Paramecia…....somehow.
did i miss something? wasnt he introduced as a logia:blink:
Has it been two weeks yet.
Thanks for this. I almost forgot we have a break. I was going to look forward to Thursday. Now I can just expect nothing.
did i miss something? wasnt he introduced as a logia:blink:
In the most recent volume, Jinbe's speech about Katakuri was changed to a Special Paramecia.
that is… interesting
that is… interesting
That's the attitude!
You are obligued to like One Piece!!! This is entertainment after all, you can't look with other eyes entertainment than with the "entertainment eyes".
I'm very much pleased with the chapter and the next ones, because Pudding won't be on them and Vinsmoke's vendetta is coming.
Nothing exists; even if something exists, nothing can be known about it. Even if something can be known about it,
knowledge about it can't be communicated to others. Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.
@Shobu:
That's the attitude!
You are obligued to like One Piece!!! This is entertainment after all, you can't look with other eyes entertainment than with the "entertainment eyes".
i didnt say i like it^^
but i do have to say mochi should not have been logia to begin with
In the most recent volume, Jinbe's speech about Katakuri was changed to a Special Paramecia.
Well that's unexpected.
Wonder if Oda did it so he'd have more liberty with future devil fruits that allow user to become intangible or because there's a logia that looks and works similarly in the near future.
@Shobu:
That's the attitude!
You are obligued to like One Piece!!! This is entertainment after all, you can't look with other eyes entertainment than with the "entertainment eyes".
I'm very much pleased with the chapter and the next ones, because Pudding won't be on them and Vinsmoke's vendetta is coming.
Whether he likes OP or not is so unrelated to Devil Fruits. When you have people jumping like hungry badgers at the series's throat constantly on a fan forum, something's wrong.
The Special Paramecia thing needs to get elaborated on quickly, it's a glaring change that I would've liked explained at most a few chapters after Katakuri was called Special Paramecia. Same thing with Red Hawk. To me those things have a short timer to be explained.
Croc or Enel would never.
Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
I supposed they changed it since mochi isn't something you find in nature in the same way you find sand or ice or lightning or whatever.
But then in that case, Oda should it made it strictly syrup instead. Then everything would have been all right.
A fairly decent chapter. I somewhat liked It! Lately I've been seeing people bash One Piece like crazy, and this arc made it difficult for me to defend the series. Too slow and boring at parts. This chapter was nice tho!
This has been the best arc since Enies Lobby tbh.
I don't know if this is a good place to do it, but I'm going to wager a guess as to one of the major reasons why this arc and modern OP are disliked. Imagine a little icon of Luffy running with a line behind him, like a loading screen in a video game. Pretend that the icon represents how far Luffy and the Straw Hats as a whole can go with their starting strength. At the start of the series, Luffy ran through East Blue without stopping (Unless you count Mihawk, but he wasn't really an antagonist). There were definitely some moments of danger, but in straight-up fights the SHs took the cake every time. Then Luffy runs into a brick wall during the Alabasta saga. The crew struggles more then they ever did before, with Zoro and Sanji getting beaten down hard and just barely scrapping out wins while the previously undefeated Luffy gets handed two losses in a row. It took everything the SHs had to break through that wall and was a great way to show that the Grand Line and the fighters in it were serious business. Later arcs like Water 7 and Thriller Bark continued to put up walls preventing Luffy icon from just running through them, leading up to Sabaody, which was an wall that wasn't broken. Looking at the time skip like a second starting point for the series, Luffy icon just ran straight through FI, PH, and most of Dressrosa. With Zou being a breather arc, this arc seems like the one where the first sturdy wall that's difficult to break through in the New World should be. And in terms of raw power, the Big Mom pirates are indeed a wall large and stronger than anything seen before. However, due the situation where only half the crew is present, this arc hasn't been as fighting-focused as most and the actions present instead can feel like convenient holes that let Luffy icon go under the wall rather than finding a way over it or partially breaking it. Thus, the wall looks really impressive, but is actually easier to get through than other walls that came before it. Of course, the SHs are better prepared after their training than they were for most pre TS arcs, but with how much the Emperors have been hyped, it makes sense and is reasonable that some people would want to see the crew struggle more than than have ever before. The separation of the crew itself is a also a problem, as now they don't succeed or struggle as one unit as much as they used to, so the single icon thing doesn't work as well. Sanji's icon would repeated run into walls without eventually breaking them (and this arc hasn't changed that yet) and Zoro's icon would not even have come across an anthill yet, even if he is running in the wrong direction. Everyone else is somewhere in between them, and with less crew interactions the SHs feel less connected than they have in earlier arcs.
So, um, that's all, and if I'm horribly off the mark (or just suck at writing XP) please tell me so that I may be better informed about what people currently think about the series (or me writing).
@No:
I don't know if this is a good place to do it, but I'm going to wager a guess as to one of the major reasons why this arc and modern OP are disliked. Imagine a little icon of Luffy running with a line behind him, like a loading screen in a video game. Pretend that the icon represents how far Luffy and the Straw Hats as a whole can go with their starting strength. At the start of the series, Luffy ran through East Blue without stopping (Unless you count Mihawk, but he wasn't really an antagonist). There were definitely some moments of danger, but in straight-up fights the SHs took the cake every time. Then Luffy runs into a brick wall during the Alabasta saga. The crew struggles more then they ever did before, with Zoro and Sanji getting beaten down hard and just barely scrapping out wins while the previously undefeated Luffy gets handed two losses in a row. It took everything the SHs had to break through that wall and was a great way to show that the Grand Line and the fighters in it were serious business. Later arcs like Water 7 and Thriller Bark continued to put up walls preventing Luffy icon from just running through them, leading up to Sabaody, which was an wall that wasn't broken. Looking at the time skip like a second starting point for the series, Luffy icon just ran straight through FI, PH, and most of Dressrosa. With Zou being a breather arc, this arc seems like the one where the first sturdy wall that's difficult to break through in the New World should be. And in terms of raw power, the Big Mom pirates are indeed a wall large and stronger than anything seen before. However, due the situation where only half the crew is present, this arc hasn't been as fighting-focused as most and the actions present instead can feel like convenient holes that let Luffy icon go under the wall rather than finding a way over it or partially breaking it. Thus, the wall looks really impressive, but is actually easier to get through than other walls that came before it. Of course, the SHs are better prepared after their training than they were for most pre TS arcs, but with how much the Emperors have been hyped, it makes sense and is reasonable that some people would want to see the crew struggle more than than have ever before. The separation of the crew itself is a also a problem, as now they don't succeed or struggle as one unit as much as they used to, so the single icon thing doesn't work as well. Sanji's icon would repeated run into walls without eventually breaking them (and this arc hasn't changed that yet) and Zoro's icon would not even have come across an anthill yet, even if he is running in the wrong direction. Everyone else is somewhere in between them, and with less crew interactions the SHs feel less connected than they have in earlier arcs.
So, um, that's all, and if I'm horribly off the mark (or just suck at writing XP) please tell me so that I may be better informed about what people currently think about the series (or me writing).
The problem with your argument is that you're implying there's something wrong with not breaking through the wall and instead opting to go around it. Having such a formidable wall makes things more interesting than just beating up the baddies for the millionth time how bland.
This has been the best arc since Enies Lobby tbh.
I disagree entirely. The crew are not even together fully yet. Maybe we might be able to say that about the Wano arc, though.
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The problem with your argument is that you're implying there's something wrong with not breaking through the wall and instead opting to go around it. Having such a formidable wall makes things more interesting than just beating up the baddies for the millionth time how bland.
I'd much prefer the wall be as sturdy as it was, but that they have a 'I'll try this again at a later time when I'm better at breaking this wall down." Rather than going around it. That shows growth. I understand you can't beat them all, but I'm not sure going around the wall can be interesting moment to moment. Yet I have seen Shokugeki no Soma, which is great. Maybe it can go down like that. Let's say Sanji's cooking will be his way of defeating BM or getting her to really like the Straw Hats. Then where is the conflict in all this? In Shokugeki no Soma, conflict is in the opponents you face (who also cook), the pressure you have to win or get expelled. So if there is a conflict more interesting then "Hey you have little time to make this cake or else!" I am open to the possibility of this being a hook.
@Neo:
I disagree entirely. The crew are not even together fully yet. Maybe we might be able to say that about the Wano arc, though.
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I'd much prefer the wall be as sturdy as it was, but that they have a 'I'll try this again at a later time when I'm better at breaking this wall down." Rather than going around it. That shows growth. I understand you can't beat them all, but I'm not sure going around the wall can be interesting moment to moment. Yet I have seen Shokugeki no Soma, which is great. Maybe it can go down like that. Let's say Sanji's cooking will be his way of defeating BM or getting her to really like the Straw Hats. Then where is the conflict in all this? In Shokugeki no Soma, conflict is in the opponents you face (who also cook), the pressure you have to win or get expelled. So if there is a conflict more interesting then "Hey you have little time to make this cake or else!" I am open to the possibility of this being a hook.
The conflict could be baking the cake (which Greg theorizes will be a grand action scene of playing hot potato with a bunch of huge ingredients), stalling Big Mom, and delivering the cake into Big Mom's mouth.
I think some people got the wrong impression of the arc from the get-go. They saw the Straw Hats going into the heart of a Yonkou's territory and thought "Holy crap! Big fights, Luffy causing mayhem, him duking it out with Big Mom!" and stuff, but in some aspects, this arc is very similar to Impel Down. Sneak in, get Sanji, get out. Of course, things weren't that simple, but when Luffy, "Mr. Punch a Celestial Dragon and Be Dragged Away From Fighting An Admiral" repeatedly says he's not ready to beat her, they should have got the hint that as FelRes explained above, the arc was going to end unconventionally.
@Neo:
I disagree entirely. The crew are not even together fully yet. Maybe we might be able to say that about the Wano arc, though.
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I'd much prefer the wall be as sturdy as it was, but that they have a 'I'll try this again at a later time when I'm better at breaking this wall down." Rather than going around it. That shows growth. I understand you can't beat them all, but I'm not sure going around the wall can be interesting moment to moment. Yet I have seen Shokugeki no Soma, which is great. Maybe it can go down like that. Let's say Sanji's cooking will be his way of defeating BM or getting her to really like the Straw Hats. Then where is the conflict in all this? In Shokugeki no Soma, conflict is in the opponents you face (who also cook), the pressure you have to win or get expelled. So if there is a conflict more interesting then "Hey you have little time to make this cake or else!" I am open to the possibility of this being a hook.
luffy literally said he'll go after Big Mom after Kaido which alligns with what you just said I swear you people are skimming this series.
@Neo:
I disagree entirely. The crew are not even together fully yet. Maybe we might be able to say that about the Wano arc, though.
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I'd much prefer the wall be as sturdy as it was, but that they have a 'I'll try this again at a later time when I'm better at breaking this wall down." Rather than going around it. That shows growth. I understand you can't beat them all, but I'm not sure going around the wall can be interesting moment to moment. Yet I have seen Shokugeki no Soma, which is great. Maybe it can go down like that. Let's say Sanji's cooking will be his way of defeating BM or getting her to really like the Straw Hats. Then where is the conflict in all this? In Shokugeki no Soma, conflict is in the opponents you face (who also cook), the pressure you have to win or get expelled. So if there is a conflict more interesting then "Hey you have little time to make this cake or else!" I am open to the possibility of this being a hook.
The cake isn't to beat Big Mom, it's to keep her off their escape out of Totto Land and not have her rain lightning, fire and flying slashes all the way out.
luffy literally said he'll go after Big Mom after Kaido which alligns with what you just said I swear you people are skimming this series.
People been really good at that lately.
luffy literally said he'll go after Big Mom after Kaido which alligns with what you just said I swear you people are skimming this series.
I'm fine with that. I think I misunderstood you. I'm fine with Luffy going around as long as he grows and comes back to it. Also, I have a short memory and this arc has been going on for how long again?
Not been one of my favourite arcs but looking forward for the next few chapters after reading this one
Definitely my favourite arc post-TS (it's unfair to compare proper arcs like this with shorter ones like Zou, so I don't include it). Although I wish some things had been handled better, especially the Vinsmoke Family and Sanji's drama. Some of the main aspects that should connect the protagonist group and the readers to the plot of the arc were some of the worst parts of it. Everything to do with Big Mom and her family, on the other hand, has been brilliant for me (except Smoothie. And Opera).
Definitely one of my favourite arcs. I enjoy One Piece fairly easily I don't nitpick so much I just take it for what it is. I don't go in with huge expectations and I find that I am fairly entertained every chapter release. This chapter was easily 9/10 for me. Past two were like 7/10.
Labor Day means that these are done early today! 
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It's not because his path doesn't cross your expectations that he is heading in the wrong direction bro.
Maybe you are the one that lost his gps.
Pedro's "Good riddance" before setting off the bombs is another MS-ism. He says "Farewell!" in JB and "So long!" in VIZ.
Hilarious how MS turned Pedro's Sarabada, an old-fashioned, samurai way of saying farewell to "Good riddance".
It's not because his path doesn't cross your expectations that he is heading in the wrong direction bro.
Maybe you are the one that lost his gps.
I didn't like how Oda handled Sanji's situation at all (the handcuffs and Zeff's problems). It seemed way too easy I felt cheated. I will not be surprised at all if Pedro gets out alive from that explosion.
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Maybe stuffing arcs with too many characters might be a bad idea after all?
Marineford was excellent despite having a lot of characters. In the other hand, Dressrosa had a bad pace for the same reason. I hope the Wano arc will not suffer from the same thing. A lot of characters are going to participate in this arc.
Marineford was excellent despite having a lot of characters. In the other hand, Dressrosa had a bad pace for the same reason. I hope the Wano arc will not suffer from the same thing. A lot of characters are going to participate in this arc.
I wouldn't call it excellent. It was passable. It had a lot of problems which is normal when you're trying to balance so many important characters while keeping most of them alive.
Dresrossa had a lot more intersecting plotlines than Marineford, which didn't help. And the fights were handled a lot worse.
At Long Ring Long Land, Aokiji said bounties were representative of a pirates threat to the World Government more than their power. The bounties as power levels stems from the biggest threats to the government generally being powerful people. So bounty CAN be an indicator of power, but it's not absolute, as indicated by things like eight year old Robin being 79 million solely for knowing the ancient language and Blackbeard being 0 due to being a relative unknown
Robin was blamed for sinking several war ships officially and earned that bounty (whereas Saul and Sakazuki sunk certain ships). Inofficially she was wanted for knowing the ancient language. Oh yeah and officially additional she was a devil from Ohara, those demons wanted to destroy the world. That was commoner-knowledge. Croc on the other Hand somehow found out she can read the poneglyphs. Was he already a shichibukai by that time? I guess so.
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From a sheer poilitical POV, Wano will be pretty much like FI: there'll be Hardliners, who want Wano closed to the world (like the Racists on FI) and the more Liberal ones who want to open the borders of Wano (like Otohime and her Kids).
And the closure of Wano could be connected to the fact, that the masons of the poneglyphs live there.
Robin was blamed for sinking several war ships officially and earned that bounty (whereas Saul and Sakazuki sunk certain ships). Inofficially she was wanted for knowing the ancient language. Oh yeah and officially additional she was a devil from Ohara, those demons wanted to destroy the world. That was commoner-knowledge. Croc on the other Hand somehow found out she can read the poneglyphs. Was he already a shichibukai by that time? I guess so.
Doesn't really refute my point. Robin's bounty was never about her power level. But the idea they're linked DOES exist in universe so they pinned something else on her to keep the real reason quiet.
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
Doesn't really refute my point. Robin's bounty was never about her power level. But the idea they're linked DOES exist in universe so they pinned something else on her to keep the real reason quiet.
I know, I just wanted to imply, that this whole "it is not only strength, but also threat to the WG" is far better known among the marines/WG agents and is MAYBE less known by commoners/pirates.
The purpose of a high bounty is to motivate hunters and to scare off commoners so that they don't interact with the criminal IMHO.
My bigger issue with recent (>500m-)bounties is, that Jinbe once said:"If you reach 300m, it is hard to push that bounty way further." So I really wonder how those commanders "earned" their bounties. Just for being Yonkou-commanders?
Maybe stuffing arcs with too many characters might be a bad idea after all?
How is this arc stuffed with too many characters, though? Dressrosa, sure, there is no denying that this was one of the arcs main problems, that it tried to do too many things at once. But in this arc we have the Big Mom Pirates, the Vinsmokes and Bege and co. and that is pretty much it. Pretty much every arc in the whole series had two or three different fractions aside from maybe the very short early arcs. Look at Skypiea or Water 7/Enies Lobby.
How is this arc stuffed with too many characters, though? Dressrosa, sure, there is no denying that this was one of the arcs main problems, that it tried to do too many things at once. But in this arc we have the Big Mom Pirates, the Vinsmokes and Bege and co. and that is pretty much it. Pretty much every arc in the whole series had two or three different fractions aside from maybe the very short early arcs. Look at Skypiea or Water 7/Enies Lobby.
That's right. Aside from the eldest Kids (with Cracker and Smoothie not even being present), the BM-pirates are largely side-chars and panel-fillers. Do we Need to see the likes of Compote in a 1on1 fight? Now with all the tarte ships surrounding the Sunny, I can see a comeback of the fishman pirates to aid Jinbe and the SHs (like manipulating the ships' steerings and so on).
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More importantly:
if Amande is the minstress of nuts, does this confirm her as one of BM's daughters?
How is this arc stuffed with too many characters, though? Dressrosa, sure, there is no denying that this was one of the arcs main problems, that it tried to do too many things at once. But in this arc we have the Big Mom Pirates, the Vinsmokes and Bege and co. and that is pretty much it. Pretty much every arc in the whole series had two or three different fractions aside from maybe the very short early arcs. Look at Skypiea or Water 7/Enies Lobby.
Dividing them into couple of groups can't change the fact there's too many people running around. Especially on BM's side. Oda had to cut some corners to make everything work.
The problem with your argument is that you're implying there's something wrong with not breaking through the wall and instead opting to go around it. Having such a formidable wall makes things more interesting than just beating up the baddies for the millionth time how bland.
Good point, but I think the issue is that, to some people, it feels like there are just convenient holes going under the wall for the SHs to use rather than finding a clever around the wall. Personally, though, I'm really liking this arc so far. I like Carrot and Pedro, I like the sweet commanders (though I agree with others that Smoothie should get some more spotlight), I like the awesome moments Brook, Nami, and Chopper got, and I'm looking forward to the execution of the cake baking with the hope that it will be done fantastically and give Sanji a great moment.
I know, I just wanted to imply, that this whole "it is not only strength, but also threat to the WG" is far better known among the marines/WG agents and is MAYBE less known by commoners/pirates.
The purpose of a high bounty is to motivate hunters and to scare off commoners so that they don't interact with the criminal IMHO.My bigger issue with recent (>500m-)bounties is, that Jinbe once said:"If you reach 300m, it is hard to push that bounty way further." So I really wonder how those commanders "earned" their bounties. Just for being Yonkou-commanders?
That might just be it. I mean, if you're in the crew of a Yonkou, you have access to way more resources, influence, and powerful allies than if you were just an independent pirate. Cracker wouldn't have the chance to call on his sibling for backup in a battle if he wasn't part of the Big Mom pirates. Jack wouldn't have to option to whisper "Hey, let's go overthrow the World Government, it'll be fun" in Kaido's ear if he was a loner.
There is something that I sincerely cannot compute with the logic of the cake theory and execution.
First, the SH's are being pursued by BM and most of her crew. Regardless of her mental state she still has monumental reasons to be crossed with, fight against and punish the SHs. Just look at how they are all running away from her while she chases relentlessly.
Baking a cake and coming back to spoon it into Mama's mouth seems extremely dangerous. I believe my qualm is related to who will be the one in charge of presenting the cake. By no means should the straw-hats be that entity as it wouldn't really make sense. -
Do you honestly think that if the SH's go '' See, we're sorry for destroying your castle, cake, wedding and murdering plans, here why not have this yummy cake as compensation ? :D'' Big Mum will hug and send them off to sea with her blessings? Maybe they will leave the cake somewhere as bait to distract her while they run in the opposite direction? I would be okay with this. In any case, why not leave her in this state? It wouldn't undermine the Yonkou status, but more importantly it would cement what happens when the SH's are involved or are fought against which is chaos. If I could choose a word to describe the crew that might be it. 'Chaotic'
Hilarious how MS turned Pedro's Sarabada, an old-fashioned, samurai way of saying farewell to "Good riddance".
Pardon the ignorance but isn't Good Riddance also an old-fashion saying?
English isn't my mother tongue and I always heard it has an old-timey expression.
Pardon the ignorance but isn't Good Riddance also an old-fashion saying?
English isn't my mother tongue and I always heard it has an old-timey expression.
yeah but 'good riddance' kinda means 'glad I got rid of you', 'wanted you to be gone anyway'.
It doesn't mean 'good bye', or 'fairwell'. So it's just generally a bad translation.
