I fucking love how people defending this says it takes money away from the military when 84 MILLION of the DoD budget last year went to giving soldiers and other DoD employees Viagra.
Also that's not even fucking pocket change for the military.
I fucking love how people defending this says it takes money away from the military when 84 MILLION of the DoD budget last year went to giving soldiers and other DoD employees Viagra.
Also that's not even fucking pocket change for the military.
Isn't that 5.5 million or whatever only like half the cost of a single tank? That's what I've seen quoted. What a shitstain.
For the sake of comparison, a single F-35 costs $135 million.
Plus those weekend excursions probably cost into the millions each.
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Even the liberal Orrin Hatch.
Good for ol' fourth-in-line unless it's lip-service bullshit a la McCain.
Speaking of, what's Paul Ryan's stance on electrocuting gays and stoning transgender people? Pro, I assume?
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@CCC:
Good for ol' fourth-in-line unless it's lip-service bullshit a la McCain.
Speaking of, what's Paul Ryan's stance on electrocuting gays and stoning transgender people? Pro, I assume?
As a member of the totally non-theological and sensible wing of the Republican party, the Libertarians, Paul Ryan does not support those things… if they spatter any blood onto the Free Market that is. Take it out back please.
@Cyan:
Even the liberal Orrin Hatch.
Noted Communist Richard Shelby also said anybody should be allowed to serve.
Sooo….I am pretty darn curious whar Caitlyn Jenner has to say about Trump smacking on transgender rights. But I am going to presume she is going to play it dumb like she always does....being the dummy that she is.
For the sake of comparison, a single F-35 costs $135 million.
Plus those weekend excursions probably cost into the millions each.
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Sooo….I am pretty darn curious whar Caitlyn Jenner has to say about Trump smacking on transgender rights. But I am going to presume she is going to play it dumb like she always does....being the dummy that she is.
I wonder just how many Republicans realize their healthcare plans will likely be the needle that pops the Reganomics Neo-Liberal dream bubble they've floated on for decades.
Better to let the Dems keep their shit and yell at it, then rudely wake middle America up to how supply side economics will directly personally eat them.
Well, at least she said something. But to think that anyone could actually vote for/support Trump and think that LGBT rights were going to be protected. I just don't believe it. I especially don't believe it with Caitlyn. I just can't take this seriously from her.
I really don't understand it either to be honest. Anyone with half a brain knows he was gonna be a blight upon the LGBT comminity (among others).
If I have to try to look at the overall situation and try to actually rationlize how this could be, I think from observing Trump and his attitude towards LGBT people and what have you, I don't think he CARES about LGBT people.
Like, I think if Trump were making all of his decision making in a vaccum, with no other politicians, voters, financial backers, etc to influence his decision making, I think he would honestly just ignore us and not attack us at all. He never talks about taking away LGBT rights until someone else brings it up to him, and he has tried to say a few token nice things about us, like that speech where he said he will "Protect the LGBT community" but he's never gone on one of his long twitter rages being like "Gay Marriage is destroying this country!!! Sad!! Will get rid of" which is what honestly makes me think he doesn't care.
That's still not exactly good, I mean while that means he won't hurt us, it means he wouldn't lift a finger to HELP us either… and despite this, I think if he percieved any LGBT rights to be a hinderance to him or his business, he'd then look into overturning it. But as it stands, I don't think LGBT rights are an issue that's even on his radar.
Any reasonably intelligent person knows the problem with this thinking of course. It's that he is NOT in a vaccum, and the vast majority of the rest of his party are hell bent on taking away LGBT rights, and this is where the whole "He doesn't care" thing becomes bad, because since he doesn't care, he's not gonna bother fighting his party on this. Freedumb caucus demands it to pass another bill he actually wants? Ok, no problem.
But I don't think these people look into it quite that hard. I think they already like Trump for one of the myriad of reasons his Straight Cis Supporters like him (Xenophobia, Racism, "Economic Turmoil", hating Hillary Clinton, Gun nut etc) and They see his lack of any real antagonism or direct hatred for the LGBT community as an excuse to ignore LGBT issues and focus on whichever of those reasons fits them.
Like, no Joke, this was an actual conversation I had with one of them during the election:
Guy: I'm a happily Married gay man for Trump!
Me: You know his list of Supreme Court Justices was picked by the Heritage foundation specifically to overturn Obgerfell v. Hayes. He wants to undo your marriage.
Guy: That's not true, he's finally a republican who has our backs!
Me: Ok, but here's an actual clip of him saying he's letting the Heritage Foundation pick the Supreme Court Justice.
Guy: Look, he's not gonna take away marriage equality, but even if he were, I can't protect my Husband from any muslim terrorists with a marriage license! I'll take my right to defend myself over a marriage license any day!
Even without all that his choice for Vice President is a man who advocated for conversion therapy. That's a huge red flag in and of itself, I'd think
So Trump will actually be at my college on Friday to give a speech exclusively to law enforcement. They're shutting down parts of the school and not making it for the public. I, with many others will be protesting him being there.
It's supposed to be talking about MS13, and the recent advancements our local police have made in arresting dozens of them. However, undoubtedly it will turn into a "see why we need a wall, look at these great cops" rally. I'm curious though, as to where it leaves Sessions, who came to Long Island a few months ago to meet with police to speak about MS13. To my understanding, he did grant them more funds which allowed them to capture many of these gang members. But I doubt Trump will allow Sessions to gain any credit.
Even without all that his choice for Vice President is a man who advocated for conversion therapy. That's a huge red flag in and of itself, I'd think
Again, it comes back to the "He doesn't care" thing. I very highly doubt when Trump was picking Pence, he was specifically looking for "Anti-LGBT Shitbag" as a qualification for VP. The only plus being an Anti-LGBT shitbag gives Pence for Trump was that he'll help bring in Evangelical voters, but again, Trump wouldn't look at that like "I'll pick him to screw over them gays and transgenderedses" but "I'll pick him to get votes from Christians".
So Trump will actually be at my college on Friday to give a speech exclusively to law enforcement. They're shutting down parts of the school and not making it for the public. I, with many others will be protesting him being there.
Bah, if only he was going to the Riverhead campus.
Conversion therapy was in the 2016 GOP party platform but for some baffling reason nobody reads those things.
Hey, I saw an idea while watching TV news, and they pointed out something. Trump hasn't actually signed anything into law right now. He's just tweeted this transgender ban, but so far has done nothing about it in legal terms.
This changes nothing, but it's just one more confusing thing in all this. Is Trump so lazy or frazzled from this Russia thing that he can't even be bothered to sign an Executive Order now? He's just dropped this thing without telling the White House, again, and all in an effort to please the Freedom Caucus with votes for a bill for his stupid wall.
This thing is layer upon layer of mess.
@Cyan:
Bah, if only he was going to the Riverhead campus.
I believe he's specifically addressing the police academy in Brentwood.
Hey, I saw an idea while watching TV news, and they pointed out something. Trump hasn't actually signed anything into law right now. He's just tweeted this transgender ban, but so far has done nothing about it in legal terms.
This changes nothing, but it's just one more confusing thing in all this. Is Trump so lazy or frazzled from this Russia thing that he can't even be bothered to sign an Executive Order now? He's just dropped this thing without telling the White House, again, and all in an effort to please the Freedom Caucus with votes for a bill for his stupid wall.
This thing is layer upon layer of mess.
Reminds me of the episode of "The Office" where Michael declares bankruptcy.
"Hey I just wanted you to know, you can't just say 'bankruptcy' and expect anything to happen" "I didn't say it, I declared it".
but he's never gone on one of his long twitter rages being like "Gay Marriage is destroying this country!!! Sad!! Will get rid of" which is what honestly makes me think he doesn't care.
However, I clearly remember seeing an article where he claimed that he wanted to end same-sex marriage. I think this was during the elections before he got elected.
He may seem apathetic, but I think it's quite clear that he leans against LGBT rights. And lets be honest, whatever his personal stances are don't even matter. If he legislates against LGBT people just to appease the Religious Right/Pence than he is an enemy and can just outright be considered against LGBT rights… because really, if you're going to make 7,000 transgender people jobless just because they're transgender than clearly you are past the point of innocent apathy and are directly harming people for no reason. Because really, this is a basic civil rights issue right here. There's no ifs, ands or buts about it - if you're apathetic enough to legislate against LGBT rights you are against LGBT rights.
Conversion therapy was in the 2016 GOP party platform but for some baffling reason nobody reads those things.
I don't understand either, but it comes to absolutely no surprise to me that was on the GOP party platform. It's for reasons like this - among many others - that I have absolutely no respect for the Republican party. I believe there are many valid political arguments, but I don't think that the Republican party has any of them, they're just so far off the scale.
You could argue that Republicans, having most of the power right now, could do something about gay marriage but Trump himself said it was settled law and to my knowledge has never said anything about trying to end it. But hey, maybe he'll change his mind so he can add automatic turrets on top of the wall.
In 2009, it cost an average of $52,800 per person to discharge gay service members. So forcing them to leave the service would cost roughly the same as paying those oh-so-super-high healthcare costs for sixty years .
CBO "skinny repeal" estimates:
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That looks like regular BCRA. I heard the skinny repeal is closer to 15-18 million more uninsured vs current ACA.
Assuming I'm not missing or misreading something.
McConnell has to be careful; Ryan might drop his support if Trumpcare doesn't kill enough poor people.
House Judiciary Committee votes to probe Comey and Clinton’s 2016 campaign
“In my district, my constituents say, ‘Hey, what’s going on with investigation of the crimes of the previous administration?’ ” said Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), one of the amendment’s sponsors. “When I hear talk that this contains right-wing conspiracies — well, I’ll tell you, my constituents think what’s going on in the other bill are left-wing conspiracy theories.”
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“They’re not focused on things like the Clinton Foundation functionally selling access to the State Department; they’re not worried about selling uranium to the Russians; they’re not worried about unmasking,” said Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), another amendment sponsor, referring to Democrats.
Of course they're not worried about it because no one cares.
Democrats are not worried about those issues for the same reasons Democrats aren't worried about the Wolfman, Frankenstein's Monster, and Dracula.
You could argue that Republicans, having most of the power right now, could do something about gay marriage but Trump himself said it was settled law and to my knowledge has never said anything about trying to end it. But hey, maybe he'll change his mind so he can add automatic turrets on top of the wall.
I guess it could have been a false article, I'll have to go back and find it. I know I saw it.
Yet the people he appeals to the most actually do seem to worship the government, or at least symbols of the government (the flag, the pledge, the national anthem, etc.).
He probably saw some poll recently showing that the Christian Salafist demographic were one of his biggest fan groups. And boom. Out go the gays.
As Trump's popularity continues to go down, he's going to double-triple-…..down on his base so that he has support when things actually start getting really bad for him.
@Monkey:
But enough about us Afro, tell us your feelings on black people again. Those were always rich
I'm afraid you're going to have to elaborate on this one, I don't recall having ever voiced any resentment or negativity towards black people.
Unless you're talking about BLM…, but you wouldn't seriously think of conflating BLM with black people as a whole, would you?
One's an entire race, made up of individuals with diverse sets of opinions, values, personalities, living in multiple continents across the globe... only a racist would have anything against 'black people'.
And the other is a political movement. A hegemony of opinion, which is open to criticism. And, despite its good motives and well placed indignation at institutional discrimination and the terrible terrible behaviour of cops in the US, the way the leaders of the movement choose to display indignation is wholly reprimandable. Unwillingness to have open dialogue, unhelpful chants made up of buzzwords and incitement to violence, rioting, physical violence, misguided claims of 'racism' when called out for being plainly anti-white (the irony!), disruptive (blocked off the motorway to heathrow airport, despite their issues being clearly American-centric, causing massive problems for travellers), prone to spreading misinformation about their movement and their reasons for protesting, and at times theirs just plain black-supremacist. Just a few of the reasons why I, personally, hold a distaste for the movement. I agree with their motives, I agree that there is a problem. I fundamentally disagree with the way BLM acts in response.
But sure, if you wanna act like disliking BLM is 'anti-black' or whatever you were implying, please, be my guest.
Why are transgenders expensive to the army actually ?
In other news you can add Scaramucchi as another person among the ever growing list of people who doesn't like Reince Priebus.
Why are they not?
[h=1]The military spends five times as much on Viagra as it would on transgender troops’ medical care[/h]
I'm confused, why does the military need to cure their ED….?
The military spends five times as much on Viagra as it would on transgender troops’ medical care
What does Viagra has to do with transgender?
Spending a ton of money in Viagra means they can spend any quantity of money in any other thing, given that is less than Viagra?
Why not ending both expenses?
What does Viagra has to do with transgender?
Spending a ton of money in Viagra means they can spend any quantity of money in any other thing, given that is less than Viagra?
Why not ending both expenses?
I guess the thing is the government don't wanna spend the medical care with transgenders in the army but are okay with non-transgenders soldiers because…They simply do not like them and want an excuse to not spend?
What does Viagra has to do with transgender?
Spending a ton of money in Viagra means they can spend any quantity of money in any other thing, given that is less than Viagra?
Why not ending both expenses?
It makes the point that any excuse they're giving of "due to the expense" is complete horse hockey when there's other, even more frivilous things, that they waste far more money on.
(Same with healthcare versus military spending.)
It's not worry or concern, it's just blind hatred of that which is "other."
Freedom of speech is very much one of the main tenets both the left and right can agree on even if they don't agree on what's being said.
Haha that's a joke right? The left certainly don't like the right having free speech. I hate the left bunch of big babies who can't handle people with different opinions.
Haha that's a joke right? The left certainly don't like the right having free speech. I hate the left bunch of big babies who can't handle people with different opinions.
Republicans/conservatives in much greater numbers want to shut down media they consider biased:
I guess the thing is the government don't wanna spend the medical care with transgenders in the army but are okay with non-transgenders soldiers because…They simply do not like them and want an excuse to not spend?
What is the problem with them being OK with medical care for ones and not with medical care of others? Specifically when the others medical care are more expensive?
They don't liking them is a fact everywhere or are you just assuming? Is a fact that that dislike is the reason for the decisions?
Excuse to not Spend? Does not spending needs an excuse? Isn't spending that needs one?
What of the soldiers that are already transitioned and/or don't need/want surgery, though?
I guess the thing is the government don't wanna spend the medical care with transgenders in the army but are okay with non-transgenders soldiers because…They simply do not like them and want an excuse to not spend?
! Considering the prevalence of transgender servicemembers among the active duty military and the typical health-care costs for gender-transition-related medical treatment, the Rand study estimated that these treatments would cost the military between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually.
This is basically why transgenders are more expensive I guess.
What of the soldiers that are already transitioned and/or don't need/want surgery, though?
That's also what I wondered. And I've found this on wikipedia
! Aside from transition related care, transgender and gender non-conforming individuals need preventative care such as vaccines, gynecological care, prostate exams, and other annual preventative health measures
Anyway, I thought transgender meant gender identity and transexual meant actually doing the transition medically.
But I guess Trump just doesn't care about anything.