American Politics thread: No Nazis Allowed
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Donald rails against republicans runs as a republican to win an election. Scaramucchi rails against Trump becomes goes to work for Donald Trump.
Well biting the hand that eventually winds up feeding them seem to be similar trait between the two.
Why did i think of the pointed hat clown….
i'm italian, i should know these thingsFor shame you should've imagined a flute playing, flamboyant dressing, killer robot that speaks like Sammy Davis Jr.
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So Jefferson Jackson Beauregard Forrest Stuart Longstreet Sessions LI talked about campaign matters with the Russians. You might recall him lying to Congress about that.
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Did someone say Scaramouche?
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The annoying whining of lefty twitter about the Democratic slogan for 2018 is just more proof that they won't be satisfied until the GOP is in permanent control of government for the rest of time.
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Or maybe having your message be based almost entirely on who the other guys are doesn't really do much to insure confidence in voters during presidential elections, or bring out voters who aren't that likely to turn out in midterm elections. Here's an article by someone I know personally who I wouldn't describe as a "lefty" in the slightest, who puts it in better words than I can. http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/how-the-democrats-fell-for-trumps-trap
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An obscure Senate rule just put the GOP healthcare bill in even bigger peril
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/major-provisions-gop-healthcare-bill-221842678.html
Passed in 1985, theByrd rulesays that any*bill going through the budget reconciliation process — like the BCRA — can be blocked on the grounds that it contains an "extraneous matter" or something "merely incidental" to the federal budget.
The budget-reconciliation maneuver through which the GOP hopes to move the BCRA*allows a bill that adjusts the federal budget to pass through the Senate with a simple 50-vote majority to avoid a filibuster. Any other legislation needs 60 votes to avoid a filibuster.
Key parts of the bill — including a plan to defund Planned Parenthood, restricting federal tax credits from being used for abortions, and a provision that would make people wait six months for health insurance if they have a lapse in coverage — all require 60 votes, according to the Senate parliamentarian. Republicans currently have 52 seats in the Senate.
"Should the Senate proceed to the bill, these provisions may be struck from the legislation absent 60 votes," theSenate budget office said.
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@Mr.:
Or maybe having your message be based almost entirely on who the other guys are doesn't really do much to insure confidence in voters during presidential elections, or bring out voters who aren't that likely to turn out in midterm elections. Here's an article by someone I know personally who I wouldn't describe as a "lefty" in the slightest, who puts it in better words than I can. http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/how-the-democrats-fell-for-trumps-trap
The issue I have with this is the healthcare thing IS economic at heart. And nothing is more directly promisingly up for poaching blue collar purple voters from the Midwest and South. Judging by the hilarious serial failure of the Republicans on the issue as their own base wakes up to their beloved good ol' boy elephant reps technically voting to murder them.
Also I'd sure love if the idea that "the coasts" are above economic problems, and that middle America is a giant blue collar white guy suffering on a cross for our sins, to die yesterday.
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You know what the difference is between suffering COASTZ and midlands is?
Shit Valley West Virginia is in the middle of nowhere, and Shitport Connecticut is down the block from Silver Spoonford Connecticut.
And apparently people just don't count economic depression if the towns a few over are full of investment bankers.
Also Shitport isn't run under Randian feudal nutjobs like Sam Brownback.
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An obscure Senate rule just put the GOP healthcare bill in even bigger peril
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/major-provisions-gop-healthcare-bill-221842678.html
Passed in 1985, theByrd rulesays that any*bill going through the budget reconciliation process — like the BCRA — can be blocked on the grounds that it contains an "extraneous matter" or something "merely incidental" to the federal budget.
The budget-reconciliation maneuver through which the GOP hopes to move the BCRA*allows a bill that adjusts the federal budget to pass through the Senate with a simple 50-vote majority to avoid a filibuster. Any other legislation needs 60 votes to avoid a filibuster.
Key parts of the bill — including a plan to defund Planned Parenthood, restricting federal tax credits from being used for abortions, and a provision that would make people wait six months for health insurance if they have a lapse in coverage — all require 60 votes, according to the Senate parliamentarian. Republicans currently have 52 seats in the Senate.
"Should the Senate proceed to the bill, these provisions may be struck from the legislation absent 60 votes," theSenate budget office said.
So this means that Planned Parenthood might actually ruin the new healthcare bill? The thing that the GOP seems to hate more then anything else? That's kind of funny. I mean, if not for all the misery surrounding healthcare these days.
Clearly, the Trump administration is a black comedy. It's funny until you remember who the victims are.
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White House lawyer: Pardons? Who's talking about pardons?
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The good thing is that the Russia investigation is clearly what's taking over his mind now, and he's going into full defensive posturing.
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That's maybe not a good thing, outside of the fact he's going to accidentally admit more things while denying them.
A cornered animal gets desperate.
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That's maybe not a good thing, outside of the fact he's going to accidentally admit more things while denying them.
A cornered animal gets desperate.
A cornered animal is a good thing when you're hunting that animal, its just that its a nasty necessary step of the good thing.
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I'm mostly worried about random declarations of war being used as distraction.
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In a final act of desperation, Trump orders all available missiles to be aimed at himself
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@Monkey:
A cornered animal is a good thing when you're hunting that animal, its just that its a nasty necessary step of the good thing.
So long as Trump doesn't decide to play the role of Jerry Mouse in Mouse Trouble it's fine.
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Preibus admits that Trump is actually having people look into having the first amendment changed. Not just one of his twitter tangents, but… actually having people look into it.
Sorry dictator-in-chief, I don't think you're going to get any mileage going after that one.
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Freedom of speech is very much one of the main tenets both the left and right can agree on even if they don't agree on what's being said.
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Freedom of speech is very much one of the main tenets both the left and right can agree on even if they don't agree on what's being said.
Considering how some Republicans are going out of their way to avoid town halls and constantly whining about the mean people picking on Trump instead of Hillary it doesn't look like it.
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From today's https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2017/07/24/day-186/
1/ "I did not collude," Jared Kushner said in prepared remarks ahead before his Senate Intel Committee meeting
https://t.co/vceJtpHYvh (NY Times)
2/ Kushner's statement included details of a previously undisclosed meeting with the Russian ambassador.
https://t.co/oiXqltH4qI (Wall Street Journal)
3/ Trump wants to know why "beleaguered" Jeff Sessions isn't investigating Clinton.
https://t.co/EmEUsGtcwf (CNN)
4/ Trump threatened the GOP that the "repercussions will be far greater" than they expect if they don't repeal ACA.
https://t.co/xQOWVxjaXy (Politico)
5/ Scaramucci: Trump is unconvinced that Russia attempted to influence the 2016 election.
https://t.co/3gxXQYf20w (CNN)
6/ Conway says Russia is "not a big story" & that Trump “doesn’t think he’s lying” about voter fraud & wiretapping.
https://t.co/o8tGK1p0cX (CNN)
7/ Scaramucci outs Trump as his anonymous source while disputing whether Russian meddled in the election.
https://t.co/yVJh7lOkNk (Hill)
8/ Scaramucci's strategy for curtailing leaks: Fire everybody.
https://t.co/LEt3wx2wFj (CBS)
9/ Scaramucci tells Sarah Huckabee Sanders to use the hair and makeup person from Friday’s briefing.
https://t.co/p4g3LoUidu (Daily Beast)
poll/ Trump averaged a 50% or higher job approval rating in 17 states from January to June.
https://t.co/5UcuARoZrH (Gallup)
poll/ Americans are split – 42%-42% – over whether Trump should be removed from office.
https://t.co/qk4n2zmvGB (USA Today)
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Considering how some Republicans are going out of their way to avoid town halls and constantly whining about the mean people picking on Trump instead of Hillary it doesn't look like it.
Considering that Democrats did the same thing in 2010 I think people really don't like being screamed at in the face.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/us/politics/07townhall.html
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Mooch's statements might seem contrarian, but it's in line with Trump cabinet members who called him a cancer on conservatism in 2015 and refused to voted for him in October 2016.
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Freedom of speech is very much one of the main tenets both the left and right can agree on even if they don't agree on what's being said.
You'd be surprised how many people disagree that freedom of speech should be protected in the UK, or in Europe really. On all sides of the political spectrum. It's very much a uniquely American bi-partisan issue, which is a pity really, I quite like it.
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You'd be surprised how many people disagree that freedom of speech should be protected in the UK, or in Europe really.
Are you referring to any poll? anything?
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Considering that Democrats did the same thing in 2010 I think people really don't like being screamed at in the face.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/us/politics/07townhall.html
Difference here was democrats weren't trying to fuck up people's health insurance justifying the backlash. But I guess you could male that argument along with not being spat on either.
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Democrats avoided town halls beacuse of the blistering ones they'd already faced. The GOP hasn't and has no intention of doing so.
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Obama did town halls all throughout 2009, discussing health care with people.
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Difference here was democrats weren't trying to fuck up people's health insurance justifying the backlash. But I guess you could male that argument along with not being spat on either.
Democrats avoided town halls beacuse of the blistering ones they'd already faced. The GOP hasn't and has no intention of doing so.
Obama did town halls all throughout 2009, discussing health care with people.
I'm sure part of the reason Republicans aren't attending town halls is because of the blisterimg ones they've been to or the response to their peers. The rowdy town halls and the verbal beatings Republicans took was all over the news cycle for weeks so that's evidence enough the events took place.
And what is justified depends on what you believe. Republicans didn't want Democrats to fuck up healthcare so they screamed at town halls, and Democrats decided to stay away. Democrats don't want Republicans to fuck up healthcare so they're screaming at town halls, and Republicans are staying away.
Even though a lot of the fear and concern surrounding the ACA was manufactured fearmongering we can't just avoid the fact that Democrats ducked their constituents like Republicans are doing today. If we're using town hall participation as a measure of freedom of speech tolerance then Democrats are lacking too when avoiding constituents they didn't feel like putting up with. There's just no avoiding that fact.
And speaking of freedom of speech, it reminds of recent events on college campuses around the U.S. where liberals are taking a shelacking in the media for a lack of tolerance for free speech.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/20/us/campus-free-speech-trnd/index.html
Speech that they don't agree with because of its hateful nature, true, but it highlights a fact shared by both sides. A lot of people are only truly for freedom of speech when they agree with what is being said. The sooner people understand freedom of speech is a double edged sword the sooner people can better mitigate around opinions they don't agree with. If you're going to shut down an event because you don't like what's being said there, that's fine , but don't go around afterward pretending your side is the true advocate for free speech.
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Yeah you can't ignore that democrats were ducking town halls back in 2010 but you can't play it off like the majority of the people attending those townhalls were people whose concerns at the time should've been
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If people truly believed that the healthcare law was bad, and there are still problems with it so I don't know exactly how much you can really ignore people's concerns about it, then it's up to the people pushing the law to rectify those concerns. Instead, they decided ignoring their concerns was the best thing to do. That didn't work out so well. The basis and facts behind people's concerns, a lot of it, was malarky, but the concern and fear itself was real.
But it would have been pointless anyway, right? If Democrats showed up they would've just gotten shouted down, the Republicans wouldn't believe anything they're saying, it would have been a waste of time, so what's the point of Democrats showing up?
Isn't that what Republicans are saying now about Republicans not showing up to town halls? What's the point of them going just to get screamed at? Well, people are truly afraid of what's going to happen to their healthcare and many, many other things. This time something a hell of lot worse than any damage the ACA might have done could happen and Republicans think the best route is ignoring those concerns. The feeling of palpitating anxiety is real, and whether it's based around fact or fiction, it's never a good thing to just ignore it.
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You'd be surprised how many people disagree that freedom of speech should be protected in the UK, or in Europe really. On all sides of the political spectrum. It's very much a uniquely American bi-partisan issue, which is a pity really, I quite like it.
Western Europe isn't debating freedom of the press, which is what Trump is going after.
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Hey, I read the Scout Handbook for the first time ever.
Look up any quote, and you'll see something wrong with Trump being there. Hell, it's even more messed up cause according to Trump "10 people on his cabinet were scouts." Clearly, this organization is dead.
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If people truly believed that the healthcare law was bad, and there are still problems with it so I don't know exactly how much you can really ignore people's concerns about it, then it's up to the people pushing the law to rectify those concerns.
Kind of hard to do that when the party running everything has no interest in trying to fix it and actually show they care about the people they keep insisting they're looking out for the well being of.
Instead, they decided ignoring their concerns was the best thing to do. That didn't work out so well. The basis and facts behind people's concerns, a lot of it, was malarky, but the concern and fear itself was real.
The concern and fear would've never had existed had the other party not decided after they lost big during the 08 election to go out of their way to screw the winner of that election to the wall and even members of their own party. And to that end started stoking flames over certain issues. The one silver lining though is that it may very well come back to bite them in the ass in a ironic way.
But it would have been pointless anyway, right? If Democrats showed up they would've just gotten shouted down, the Republicans wouldn't believe anything they're saying, it would have been a waste of time, so what's the point of Democrats showing up?
Isn't that what Republicans are saying now about Republicans not showing up to town halls?
Are they? Cause some of it looks like them basically running out of back doors, jumping train tracks, or insisting the people showing up are paid protesters.
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Kind of hard to do that when the party running everything has no interest in trying to fix it and actually show they care about the people they keep insisting they're looking out for the well being of.
Nobody said it was going to be easy. The excuse for Democrats giving up on town halls just won't fly, and neither are the Republican's excuses.
The concern and fear would've never had existed had the other party not decided after they lost big during the 08 election…
But they did exist and that's the point.
Are they? Cause some of it looks like them basically running out of back doors, jumping train tracks, or insisting the people showing up are paid protesters.
Yes, they are. It's the same attitude Democrats had in 2009 and 2010 when Democrats ran out of back doors, jumped train tracks, and dismissed angry town hall constituents merely as "distractions".
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Hey, I read the Scout Handbook for the first time ever.
Look up any quote, and you'll see something wrong with Trump being there. Hell, it's even more messed up cause according to Trump "10 people on his cabinet were scouts." Clearly, this organization is dead.
The boy scouts are perfectly following their scout law…but solely to Trump. Not in general life.
Trustworthy...to Trump
Loyal...to Trump
Helpful...to Trump
Friendly...to Trump
Courteous...to Trump
Kind...to Trump
Obedient...to Trump
Cheerful...to Trump
Thrifty...for Trump
Brave…for Trump
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But they did exist and that's the point.
Moot point all things considered.
Yes, they are. It's the same attitude Democrats had in 2009 and 2010 when Democrats ran out of back doors, jumped train tracks, and dismissed angry town hall constituents merely as "distractions".
Even with it being the same and their being no excuse in the previous case, the reasons behind the outrage in the present case are considerably less stupid.
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Trump is indoctrinating boy scouts right now, bragging about his accomplishments and getting KIDS to boo his opponents. Only seeing shocked reactions on twitter right now so can't post an article.
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The Boy Scouts are already a creepy little pedophile-uniform wearing vaguely right-wing 50's fever dream. Honestly not at all surprised by any of this. Nor dismayed.
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boy scouts suck
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I was one for a brief time in Elementary School, and it sucked a bunch.
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It was the kind of thing Republicanish dads considered great for boys.
When it was somehow simultaneously the sort of thing that quickly made off-beat little tykes like myself feel unwelcome, and also was direly fucking uncool with the tough hard edged boys at school lol. It was like Mitt Romney distilled into child's program form. -
Mitt Romney looks like exactly the kind of dad who would overemphasize how much value The Scouts have
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Mm. I think it's kind of sad that you're trying to poke fun at the Scouts. It's a good institution and instills valuable knowledge in the youth who take part in the program. Just because your experience with it wasn't good doesn't mean that the whole institution is a bad thing.
If it's the kind of thing "republicanish dads" wanted for their kids, then why was my liberal single mother so in favor of it?
Look, I got bullied in it, too. But that doesn't mean that I didn't get more good from it than not.
Anyway. If you were only in it for a short time in Elementary School, then you were never a Boy Scout. You were a Cub Scout. And those are very different programs.
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I was a Boy Scout for four years and the only good part was the pine wood derby.
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Pine wood derby was a lot of fun, but again I think that was a Cub Scout thing. Not Boy Scouts. Or maybe it was just that way for my Troops.
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It was the sort of thing Milhouse would proudly announce he was doing.
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So what?
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I was never a cub scout and have nothing interesting to add to this debate, but wanted to post so because I'm bored.
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Mm. I think it's kind of sad that you're trying to poke fun at the Scouts. It's a good institution and instills valuable knowledge in the youth who take part in the program
sounds overrated