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Chapter 859: The Yonkou Assassination Plan
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Urouge isn't just going to waltz in there after barely getting away the first time.
It would be funny if Urouge was never there to begin with, and it was just Pudding covering her tracks or something.
Yeah but we saw him all fucked up and recovering with bandages on the Balloon Terminal so. Plus, I never thought pre-timeskip my boy Urouge would have been able to get strong enough to -kill- a sweet commander, so I'm really happy about that. Supernovas have really been firing on all cylinders post-timeskip. Makes me even excited to see what Bonney's deal is in terms of the overall story.
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I mean… Urouge, seemingly, has a pretty strong ability that makes him stronger (bigger and larger too) the more damage he takes, and he can counter attack enemies attack back to them with increased power as well. That's pretty OP, if that is indeed what his ability is.
Guy seems pretty durable and strong by default, to amplify that by...who knows how much is pretty fantastic.
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Tell him Brother! Share the Urogue.
Hey guys. I know this comment might be irrelevant to the current discussion, but does anybody remember Meadows? How many Cavendishs was he worth again :ninja:?
Meadows should have really been Kaidou. He had quite the beast theme on him though.
But I like the thought of Pudding being picked up by the BBs. Maybe one of the ship-captains (like Catharina Devon or Vasco Shot) Show up at the tea Party although they are from a rival yonkou.
More BB-members means more Nakama for Luffy. :)I'm really lookin Forward to all those Underground bosses who attempt the Party. Croc should be a given.
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I probably have an idea how Pudding is able to rewrite more than one person's Memory at once:
if several persons share the same Memory, she can modify it. Only the POV is different, but the Events must be the same to modify more than one Memory at once.
So if several People watch the same Event (like a wedding), Pudding should be able to modify that Event in more people's heads at once.And I think the Tamate Bako's Story purpose is to make Mont Dor and Pudding faint. If they then do so, all the original memories can come back and all the library prisoners will be free (if their DFs work like Sugar's which I assume). Oda won't leave those prisoners bhind, unless they deserved it.
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Highly highly highly doubt Pudding will join the BBs. Blackbeard values actual, tangible strength in potential crewmates to the point where even Jewelry Bonney was considered a weakling by his standards. I could be wrong, but Pudding just doesn't seem like an active combatant. Sure she shot Reiju but that was with a powerful gun with special bullets. In fact given her reactions at the end of latest chapter she seems to really value her "good girl" idyllic lifestyle, using her powers to ensure that she's basically left to her own devices. And before you start with "b-but her power is so useful!" you can just stop right there. People said the same exact thing about Viola or basically anytime a new character is introduced with a moderately useful power. Doubly so if they happen to be female.
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@The:
:ninja: SHOW :ninja: ME :ninja: KATAKURI :ninja: MAKE :ninja: HIS :ninja: BOUNTY :ninja: OVER :ninja: ONE BILLION :ninja:
I think its pretty much a given he will have a bounty of at least 1 billion…
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I think its pretty much a given he will have a bounty of at least 1 billion…
Because of Jack or what do you base this on ? Was it stated he was BM's strongest fighter ?
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Because of Jack or what do you base this on ? Was it stated he was BM's strongest fighter ?
It's probably due to the factors of how Kaido's two other Calamities will be called Queen and King, implying that they are at least equal in power and bounty to Jack, how each Sweet General seems to be stronger than the last and it doesn't really make narrative sense to hide a weaker one for this long, and the fact that Big Mom not having a single Yonko Commander with a bounty above 1 billion makes the Big Mom Pirates seem superficially inferior to the Beast Pirates.
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@Count:
It's probably due to the factors of how Kaido's two other Calamities will be called Queen and King, implying that they are at least equal in power and bounty to Jack, how each Sweet General seems to be stronger than the last and it doesn't really make narrative sense to hide a weaker one for this long, and the fact that Big Mom not having a single Yonko Commander with a bounty above 1 billion makes the Big Mom Pirates seem superficially inferior to the Beast Pirates.
Yes okay, hopefully he has an awesome DF, it is really what we need from BM pirates a top tier comander with an awesome DF like Marco! Although it would make sense for a king to wield a sword.
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Because of Jack or what do you base this on ? Was it stated he was BM's strongest fighter ?
Jack and Smoothie's bounties are on that level.
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Comparisons! Sorry for the wait, there were a lot of them today!
- As a rather unrelated side note, the VIZ thumbnail for this chapter (which usually has a clip from the previous week's chapter, unless there's a color spread) had the picture of Nami in the bathtub from last week, because of course.
- Whereas the Mangastream and Jaimini's Box scanlations have Sanji (and later Bege) refer to Big Mom as an "iron balloon" (and I'm guessing that's the actual translations of those characters), the official VIZ translation uses "blimp made of steel".
- Again, Vito's speech quirk is put right into his words in the VIZ version; when talking about how creating a 5-second window will be difficult, a couple of his words become "difficulelolt" and "Generalelo".
- In MS, Chiffon calls Caesar "Gas-tiny" instead of Gastino; in Jaimini's Box, she uses "Gas-boy"; in VIZ, it's "Gas-hiko", which was the original Japanese (meaning "Gas-boy") that was apparently left untranslated here.
- Amusingly, in the official version, there's an extra gag that the scanlations didn't have: in the panel after Bege was speaking in a baby voice to Pez, when he re-addresses the group and starts explaining how they've been under Big Mom's umbrella for a year, he first says "umbrella" still in the baby voice ("umbwella") before correcting himself. He then does it again in the next major panel (showing Pez sleeping in-between), saying "nappens" instead of "happens" before again correcting himself.
- MS and VIZ both have Bege describe that Big Mom doesn't take damage when "sinking ships" (as in, sinking other people's), but Jaimini's Box says "when her ship sinks" (as in, other people damaging her ship). Also, MS had Bege say "eating direct gun- or cannonfire", which, given that Big Mom is a big eater, could perhaps be taken literally. Neither of the other two say that, with Jaimini's saying she's "hit by" it and VIZ saying she's "taking" it.
- In MS, the name of the benefactor (who seems to be named after the caramel sweets) is spelled Mother "Caramel", the actual spelling of the sweet name; however, both Jaimini's and VIZ spell it as Mother "Carmel" (the way many people actually pronounce that word, without the second "a"), which (as Jaimini's noted in a TN) might be a reference to the Carmelites in Japan, who are known for selling sweets.
- Quite a few MS problems when talking about Mother Carmel and the photo: Bege calls the picture of her one of Big Mom's weaknesses in MS, but it's referred to as her one/only weakness in VIZ and Jaimini's; MS also rather-misleadingly has Chiffon say that "she apparently ran away", whereas the latter two translations say that she "went missing"; and the former says that "someone touched" the photo, but the latter two say a servant/waiter accidentally dropped it.
- The official translation also has Chiffon say that Big Mom's face turned "pale" (the scanlations say it turned blue), and all versions describe the noise she made differently: MS says "a piercing, almost alien sound", Jaimini's calls it "a weird, ear-splitting shriek", and VIZ says "a tremendous scream like I've never heard before". Furthermore, MS has it described as "similar to a violent fit", but Jaimini's and VIZ both state that it's different from the fits she has due to her hunger pangs.
- The scanlations have Bege call Luffy reliable/dependable after he agrees to break the picture; in the official, he says "Your confidence is inspiring."
- The cheese used for the celebration in Cheese Town, to go with the beer, is specified to be "brie supreme" in the official translation. Also, the conglomerate arriving has a different name in all the versions; it's "Rufeld" in MS, "Lufeld" in Jaimini's, and "Du Feld" in VIZ.
- A minor point, but the scanlations say that it's a "peaceful day" (as in, a nice, calm day), but the official translation says "a day of peace" (implying peace between different groups).
- Ichiji saying "Oh, by the way" in MS after Judge comments that Reiju's not in her room makes it sound like he's about to say something else, but in both Jaimini's and VIZ, he says "Now that you mention it…" as in, noticing that Reiju's not there once Judge brought it up.
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Capone is really going on some flimsy evidence for his plan. That occurence happened once(so there's not even proof it was excatly that whixh cause it or even if the timing is always consistant or if it was not just a fluke.
You need 2 occurrences for a solid theory and 3 for proof.
- MS and VIZ both have Bege describe that Big Mom doesn't take damage when "sinking ships" (as in, sinking other people's), but Jaimini's Box says "when her ship sinks" (as in, other people damaging her ship). Also, MS had Bege say "eating direct gun- or cannonfire", which, given that Big Mom is a big eater, could perhaps be taken literally. Neither of the other two say that, with Jaimini's saying she's "hit by" it and VIZ saying she's "taking" it.
- That's sad. Her feats seems even more mundane now
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Jack's bounty might be influenced by his violent tendencies just like how Kid had a higher bounty than Luffy in Sabaody.
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Capone is really going on some flimsy evidence for his plan. That occurence happened once(so there's not even proof it was excatly that whixh cause it or even if the timing is always consistant or if it was not just a fluke.
You need 2 occurrences for a solid theory and 3 for proof.
That's sad. Her feats seems even more mundane now
Yeah… But, to be honest, Oda told the audience about the portrait for a reason, and the reason is it probably is connected to Big Mom somehow and her power/toughness.
She probably is going to turn out similar to Dorian Gray and his portrait; I'm about...85% certain of it. (lol)
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Thanks as always BellisarioFaith :)
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Yeah… But, to be honest, Oda told the audience about the portrait for a reason, and the reason is it probably is connected to Big Mom somehow and her power/toughness.
storytelling wise it will work but for the character it's not really smart.
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Capone is really going on some flimsy evidence for his plan. That occurence happened once(so there's not even proof it was excatly that whixh cause it or even if the timing is always consistant or if it was not just a fluke.
You need 2 occurrences for a solid theory and 3 for proof.
Bege is not going to have that circumstance happen three times. The guy is perceptive, and I'm sure he'd be able to see any other factors in Big Mom's episode if they were there. This is reckless, but it is his only shot at taking down Big Mom unless he maybe works to become as physically strong as her, if that's even possible for him.
That's sad. Her feats seems even more mundane now
How? The scans were just using flowery language like they always do, her feats are exactly the same and have been matched by only a few people.
storytelling wise it will work but for the character it's not really smart.
I'd think it's better to withhold judgement on the portrait until we actually find out its significance to Big Mom.
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All this talk of iron balloons and steel blimps sounds like JJBA localisations trying to dance around a Led Zeppelin reference.
Frankly I'm saddened there isn't a translation out there that went with "lead zeppelin" for that line anyway.
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I still don't like the iron thing translation. So what if she is tough like iron, they used to cut it, tekkai was like it, now Aramements is like iron yet they don't complain and still manage to beat those guys. And what about jozu then… Didn't sanji use the iron body translation for vergo too?
At this point should we think she is just tough or has very good B haki, reason for her iron like body?
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I still don't like the iron thing translation. So what if she is tough like iron, they used to cut it, tekkai was like it, now Aramements is like iron yet they don't complain and still manage to beat those guys. And what about jozu then… Didn't sanji use the iron body translation for vergo too?
At this point should we think she is just tough or has very good B haki, reason for her iron like body?
Probably something else. More than likely something to do with her Devil Fruit ability, and her ability to transfer her soul into things. Probably transferred a majority of her soul into the portrait or Mother Caramel, kinda-sorta similar to the fairy tail about Dorian Gray and his portrait that took on his age, damage, and "sins" instead of Dorian himself. Though…if it was directly bumped, hurt or damaged, Dorian himself would then be hurt or damaged.
In short: Have to damage her soul in order to damage her physical form, or, basically, damage the thing holding a majority of her soul (since Prometheus and Zeus were scratched during Big Mom's confrontation with Brook, and, seemingly, nothing happened to Big Mom when they were damaged, they hold at least some of her soul).
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I still don't like the iron thing translation. So what if she is tough like iron, they used to cut it, tekkai was like it, now Aramements is like iron yet they don't complain and still manage to beat those guys. And what about jozu then… Didn't sanji use the iron body translation for vergo too?
At this point should we think she is just tough or has very good B haki, reason for her iron like body?
I loved that description. An iron balloon with incredible speed, unmatched strength and the ability to create massive storms sounds about what you'd expect from a Yonkou. You're taking it as "she has a tough body". That is a failure on your part for being unable to read critically. There is nothing more frightening than an iron balloon, when viewed in context.
And the way toughness works in OP is really interesting. Endurance and body toughness have a direct correlation with willpower and overall spirit. Once someone spirits' is broken their body becomes vulnerable. Big Moms toughness, just like any other character, is a direct result from their will.
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lmao all y'all acting like if you were an invincible iron balloon yonkou who's been controlling 1/4 of the new world for 20+ years y'all wouldn't get super complacent as all hell with a photograph of someone who maybe allowed you to become a yonkou in the first place?
smh. Learn to read context. I know it's hard to apply yourself and think critically when it comes to plot points like this, but try. It'll only help you appreciate shit like this in the long run.
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I noticed in this chapter that there is another person with black wings, making it the third in total IIRC.
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Can anyone else recall seeing more people like this?
First was Magellan.
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And the second was unnamed Big Mom Pirate/Son/Affiliate
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I noticed in this chapter that there is another person with black wings, making it the third in total IIRC.
Can anyone else recall seeing more people like this?
First was Magellan.
And the second was unnamed Big Mom Pirate/Son/Affiliate
Shilliew also had wings when he was the Head Jailer…
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lmao all y'all acting like if you were an invincible iron balloon yonkou who's been controlling 1/4 of the new world for 20+ years y'all wouldn't get super complacent as all hell with a photograph of someone who maybe allowed you to become a yonkou in the first place?
smh. Learn to read context. I know it's hard to apply yourself and think critically when it comes to plot points like this, but try. It'll only help you appreciate shit like this in the long run.
Doesn't make it any less dumb, convenient, and out of nowhere if she really does place it in public simply because of complacency. Especially when a freaking waiter nudged it to fall by accident. That's lackluster writing. Like having Zeff be a misogynist after two decades of build-up towards Sanji's origins.
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Didn't most of the Impel down head guards have similar wings?
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Always thought it was part of the warden uniform
Maybe because it was and Magellan have no wings after all.
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Was implying that
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@Count:
Doesn't make it any less dumb, convenient, and out of nowhere if she really does place it in public simply because of complacency. Especially when a freaking waiter nudged it to fall by accident.
I wouldn't say so.
Big Mom seems to be all about family when she's in her right mind.
Having her put that picture out there in full view of her closest allies in the heart of her domain doesn't really seem like wild or sloppy writing to me.
@Count:
Like having Zeff be a misogynist after two decades of build-up towards Sanji's origins.
I think you might be exaggerating just a little bit here.
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I wouldn't say so.
Big Mom seems to be all about family when she's in her right mind.
Having her put that picture out there in full view of her closest allies in the heart of her domain doesn't really seem like wild or sloppy writing to me.
You misunderstand me. I am not stating that this plot point is automatically bad regardless of how it can be executed. Like you stated, family purposes could be a totally justifiable reason. Like, let's say we get a flashback where Mother Carmel was treated very dearly and often attended meal sessions with the Charlotte Family. Thus, Big Mom has a picture of her present for every Tea Party/wedding in order to commemorate Mother Carmel's influence on their lives. That works fine. It has an actual plot purpose and fits into characterization.
But let's say that Oda never explains why the picture is there. Theoretically, it was only introduced with little to no foreshadowing (outside of the Caramel Cafe's name) because Oda realized at the last minute that Big Mom is too powerful and needs an arbitrary plot-convenient weakness. That would be a bit of sloppy and negligent writing that didn't properly plan ahead. Or, let's say that Big Mom literally says in the next chapter that she keeps her weakness out in the open not because of any family or sentimental reasons, but purely out of hubris because she's a Yonko. That can sort of fit into her character in terms of being a Yonko who has been in power for years. But it would be pretty disappointing to see considering how sophisticated had crew structure, kingdom, information network, alliances, checking Brook's body for the Poneglyph scripts,etc, are made as have had a pretty good impression of Big Mom being a competent tactical thinker. And it redundantly repeats a common cliche of arc villains underestimating the Straw Hats for the sake of underestimating the Straw Hats, which we would prefer for a villain as notable as Big Mom to rise above. At least when it comes to Big Mom's children not telling her about stuff, it's established well that Big Mom's punishments and fits of rage/hunger pangs inspire fear in her family. And we haven't even seen any instances of Big Mom's invincibility. We only learned it even existed this chapter.
If she knows that a waiter can get away with knocking over her picture and if Roger could get away with her Road Poneglyph script, I would like to think that her character is not naive enough to think that nobody else, even accidentally, can mess with the picture because she just happens to be that overconfident. Its placement there should mean something significant. Otherwise, it's a hollow plot device made so that Bege can have a plan formed off-panel.
I think you might be exaggerating just a little bit here.
Not really. How would you feel if instead of Luffy using Gear Fourth against Doflamingo, he happened to have a convenient weakness in the vicinity. Like magical scissors that can cut strings or something? Or if when Luffy fought Enel, instead of being invulnerable to Enel's attacks because of being made a rubber, there happened to be some sort of magnet on Enel's ship that Luffy can use to disrupt his powers because of polarity disturbances or whatever? I'm just Saiyan that weaknesses introduced this late into the game without build-up can be easily come across as looking fairly cheap if they can't be backed up with meaningful explanations.
And to clarify, I don't have an issue with the picture at all. I completely trust Oda to deliver on this wedding. I just didn't care for how smug Captain Yama's comment was about how it's okay to lower our narrative standards for arbitrary arc villain hubris.
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Shilliew also had wings when he was the Head Jailer…
Nice catch. However he seems to be missing them in his latest appearance.
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Didn't most of the Impel down head guards have similar wings?
Always thought it was part of the warden uniform
I just checked again and it seems that Hannyabal and Saldeath both have these wings, so it's quite possible it's an Impel down design.
With these new characters I'm confused tbh.!
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I haven't posted here in a long time but did anyone else notice all the suspicious faces Carrot's been making recently? It makes me think that she knows something we don't and that either she's:
A. Working with Big Mom
B: Working with Kaido (hence the vivre card)
C. Notices something off with Capone's plan (maybe he's working with Pudding)Or it could be something else. Either way, something is going to go down otherwise why would Oda put in those panels specifically made to draw attention to Carrot? Or am I overthinking this?
I think she is going to have a big part in saving the day in this arc, her or Vegapunk are going to save the day. Luffy is definitely getting shot with one of those poison RPG's. His poison immunity is going to pay off AGAIN it seems.
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Big Mom doesn't have to die, she just needs to become powerless which is what will likely happen. I'd be fine with her dying though.I don't get why people would think Luffy would save her...he isn't a murderer but he isn't gonna go out of his way to prevent someone evil from being assassinated every time either. I could see him taking a poison blast for her and saying he wants to fight her one on one instead of following the plan at all but it just doesn't fit the situation considering there will be hundreds of other enemies around, not to mention she's AT LEAST a bit more powerful than him. I get the feeling Luffy or Carrot are getting their memories erased at least temporarily. Also the whole Pudding thing is not over for me, she still has a ton of secrets wrapped around her... what if she altered her own memories to become evil on purpose temporarily for the greater good? That would be some shit. Mother Carmel... what the hell is going on with that? Maybe she is Nami's mom, or Puddings real mom, or Big Mom's mom or no ones mom... maybe she is the largest portion of Big Mom' soul and therefor a Horcrux of sorts like many have theorized which would help explain Big Mom's near invincibility. Maybe it's less Harry Potter and more Dragon Ball Z. Piccolo/ Kami split style.
If Pudding altered her memory to come back minutes before the wedding and shoots the picture of Mother Carmel instead of Sanji, and Luffy comes bursting out of the cake to see Sanji and Pudding engaged in a kiss it would be wild... as Big Mom goes BERSERK BANANAS. Please don't be evil Pudding because you are soooo good at being bad the only thing that could make you cooler at this point is to be even better at being good.
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I still say Jimbei is losing his memories. No more knowledge of the New World, no more fishman karate, the flashbacks potential of seeing his parents, Ace, of his life (a chance to see the FI Dojo?!) .... I'd cry man I'd weep. He could even get them back at the end of the arc and finally join the SH and it would give us readers so much feels for him.
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Maybe Carmel with sea salt will take away BM's devil fruit powers.
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Jack's bounty might be influenced by his violent tendencies just like how Kid had a higher bounty than Luffy in Sabaody.
Yeah, I mean Zou was certainly not the first time he went berserk and destroyed an entire island. It's understandable why the government would mark him a high priority threat. On top of being a Yonkou lieutenant that is. This makes me wonder how much of a threat WG would consider Crocodile or Doflamingo to be, had their plans succeeded or been exposed.
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Oda does a good job on keeping the potential of betrayal open. Instead of one rocket launcher there are three. Although this could be resolved in many ways. Big Mom taking three, Bege using the others on different targets. Needless to say, Gastino's face is just priceless. I kinda would like a list of the weapons that could harm Big Mom.
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Ja, Bege kept the baby voice when he got back to speaking business.
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As many suggested, the Dorian Grey parallels are there, unfortunately, if this method was chosen, it would be so stupid and convenient for Mama to display such a weakness. this could be mainly done by infusing most of her soul into the frame. I am still not convinced about this. If Mother Carmel is someone the strawhats already knew, then it would be too easy as well.
This plan was doomed to fail as soon as they started calling earplugs with fancy names. To me, using all the rocket launchers on Mama forcing her to consume her three homie-mates would be a good way to show just how hard it is to kill Mama. The question, when and why. I do think that most of the plan will be executed, but the escape will be thwarted. The possibilities are quite a few: Bege betraying Luffy (unlikely), Luffy betraying Bege(higher chance), Brulee convincing Ceasar to betray them, Capone failing and getting caught for Luffy to come back ("Alliance isn't over until we escape"), Mont D'Or, Pekoms…what a shit show.
So the germa soldiers are confirmed to not being able to attend the wedding. Now, we only need to see what is the setup for the wedding ceremony, to see how was Mama pretending to execute her plan.
Brooke's double worked. Big Mom is going to be so happy when she sees him during the wedding.
Now, I think Greg is just leading everyone around, although some things do seems to be building up. However, I thought that Pudding meant that she had to remove the memories of all the people in Totland that know she is getting married, or she could be talking about the guests to the wedding as well. However, her talking about going back to being a good girl could also indicate that she is fed up and she wants to become more independent. Next chapter should be good.
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Now, I think Greg is just leading everyone around, although some things do seems to be building up.
I'm not sure what you mean. Are you inferring that I'm intentionally leading readers here to a conclusion that even I don't think will actually occur?
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I'm not sure what you mean. Are you inferring that I'm intentionally leading readers here to a conclusion that even I don't think will actually occur?
Something like that, but to be fair, I have been speed reading through most posts as I have but 1/100th of the usual time (my previous post was an over extended break). I thought I read something like Pudding did mass memory manipulation to her family -> Big Mom? -> Mama is ~good~ I am not even sure anymore, I am still pending on my Zoro's debate continuation…oops time exceeded again.
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Something like that
So you're under the impression that I've constructed a convoluted and complex plan which makes perfect sense for my nefarious ultimate goal of….. accomplishing nothing?
Uh, okay. Despite highly overestimating my free time and actual ability to construct such a scheme, which ultimately leads to no end, guess everyone sees what they want, can't argue that!
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Going by Mr. Greg's post, whatever the deal is with Mother Carmel and the fate that's awaiting the Charlotte Family probably isn't as convoluted as most of us think it is. But I think most of everyone here already knew that.
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I believe it's (somewhat) complicated, and I think it's surprising, but I certainly haven't offered up ideas on the official OP site of all places ^o^ to troll everyone into thinking something 'just cuz'.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I sure as heck am not interested in throwing a theory out there and supporting it intentionally believing it to be incorrect ^_^;
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Jeez Greg.. Chill.
Oh you.
We all know you know stuff and love getting some attention, even I am getting used to that as time goes by. And you probably know a tiny bit more stuff that you would even hint to know yet it somehow slips here and there as you by accident(or not) play like you are hinting at stuff but not really. Seen it dozen of times. Learned to see it as funny in a way.
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Jeez Greg.. Chill.
Oh you.
We all know you know stuff and love getting some attention, even I am getting used to that as time goes by. And you probably know a tiny bit more stuff that you would even hint to know yet it somehow slips here and there as you by accident(or not) play like you are hinting at stuff but not really. Seen it dozen of times. Learned to see it as funny in a way.
I know it might be difficult to accept but I am in fact just that good. Glad to hear you're getting used to my ability though! Once you accept it you'll be able to let go of all that hate. It's much nicer on the hateless side. We have snacks.
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Jeez Greg.. Chill.
Oh you.
We all know you know stuff and love getting some attention, even I am getting used to that as time goes by. And you probably know a tiny bit more stuff that you would even hint to know yet it somehow slips here and there as you by accident(or not) play like you are hinting at stuff but not really. Seen it dozen of times. Learned to see it as funny in a way.
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Yeah, dunno where or why but somehow I rubbed this dude the wrong way. In his own words he's 'not a fan' of me:
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=24549&p=3573988&highlight=Greg#post3573988
and has been very antagonistic, even lowering veiled threats:
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=43241&p=3750521&highlight=Greg#post3750521
But he seems like just a normal guy and seems to have more reason than a certain group of xenophobic haters I've dealt with in the past so nothing else to do except keep extending olive branches.
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So you're under the impression that I've constructed a convoluted and complex plan which makes perfect sense for my nefarious ultimate goal of….. accomplishing nothing?
Uh, okay. Despite highly overestimating my free time and actual ability to construct such a scheme, which ultimately leads to no end, guess everyone sees what they want, can't argue that!
Haven't you heard the rumors? As they say: sometimes you are right on the money, but because of this ability of yours, you are requested to change some of your ideas to not spoil the reveal yet. That was compounded with the other rumor that by doing this so, you are forced to play along your newly incorrect scenario.
So combine those two, a "convoluted and complex" plan, and you've become the forum's Pudding, playing innocent, but your third eye is squinting. You won't fool me sir, YOU WILL NOT!
Disclaimer: Just in case it is necessary, I am just joking, not even sure which ~theory~ we are discussing here, I just saw a bunch of "Greg is right // Greg was right on the money", and like I said on my previous post. I have been doing projects, and exams so I have been speed reading.
Disclaimer 2: It is not true that you would not gain anything, what about the satisfaction of making everyone dance on the palm of your hand… damn you Pudding! [This is the last time I will call you that, don't mean to offend.]
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@Tamiel:
Haven't you heard the rumors? As they say: sometimes you are right on the money, but because of this ability of yours, you are requested to change some of your ideas to not spoil the reveal yet. That was compounded with the other rumor that by doing this so, you are forced to play along your newly incorrect scenario.
So combine those two, a "convoluted and complex" plan, and you've become the forum's Pudding, playing innocent, but your third eye is squinting. You won't fool me sir, YOU WILL NOT!
Disclaimer: Just in case it is necessary, I am just joking, not even sure which ~theory~ we are discussing here, I just saw a bunch of "Greg is right // Greg was right on the money", and like I said on my previous post. I have been doing projects, and exams so I have been speed reading.
Disclaimer 2: It is not true that you would not gain anything, what about the satisfaction of making everyone dance on the palm of your hand… damn you Pudding! [This is the last time I will call you that, don't mean to offend.]
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@Count:
Which is why exactly why Oda should work a bit more diligently in making Chopper's dream of becoming a doctor who cure any illness come to fruition. The medicine doesn't exist? Then Chopper make a new one from analyzing the symptoms, analyzing the cause, and putting together his own ingredients. This is One Piece, one of the most fantastical series in existence. Oda can make something up to be quirky and awesome whenever he wants to, and medicine should not be an exception when he makes up all sorts of sci-fi and fantasy elements. Just look at how Chopper came up with the Rumble Balls.
Yes, but Chopper is not going to make that type of medicine on his first island in the New World. Chopper has plenty of time show his proficiency as a doctor, from small details like noticing Luffy's poison in Fishman Island, or finally curing his adopted father's disease and Roger's.
Would the medicine have really caused them to release the toxins? I can't remember all that well, I thought they only healed the symptoms. Regardless, that still makes Chopper look pathetic compared to Law.
Well, yes, the medicine was strong enough to stop the symptomps of a very late stage of addiction. If we think that Chopper simply reduced the chemical unbalance of their brains, that would still be tied in reducing the toxin from the bloodstreams. If Law was not present, Chopper would have just needed to share his knowledge with the marines so Vegapunk could help them out. I think we should see it as Oda not wanting the kids to have drugs in them for a long period of time. Also, having Law heal them, brings a nice circle to how he has a big corazon, and see himself reflected on the kids. I don't really see it as: Chopper is pathetic, Law can do everything he does instantly! Law has an incredible powerful fruit which was able to heal him from white lead poisoning. Given that he is also from a very proficient family of doctors, I would say his spot as hax doctor has been quite earned. I do think that Oda should develop his dream like you ask and eventually be a hax doctor on his own right. Maybe with balls, medicine balls.
We can imagine all we want about the unelaborated details. But Oda hasn't cared to give the specifics of how the surgery should go down. Law just had some free time at the end of the arc and fixed up the kids when Chopper wasn't even paying attention. The most they'll need apparently worry about is some rehab.
! http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tvS_HgjbbSQ/WBpCg2UraJI/AAAAAAABJ18/95wb93HWck0BF56DVCxD90H51wuZHQLzwCHM/s16000/0696-008.png
! http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tU1pELlpbRo/WBpC0m0GuaI/AAAAAAABJ18/9w9GevCcbkAPwghJP3Uyj0Kmq13SCdkfQCHM/s16000/0696-009.pngSo whether Law couldn't do it then because he had to deal with Vergo later, it still makes Chopper's efforts look redundant aside from maintaining stability.
I think you have taken this quite to the deep end. We know that Law uses stamina while using Room, for all we know, Law was able to perform such a quick operation thanks to Chopper's shots earlier. Also, it is okay for Chopper to be overshadow at that point of the story by Law.
Law probably only said to give the medication because he was lazy/apathetic and didn't need a hassle when he wanted to focus on Caesar and Vergo. Those extreme methods got things done in the blink of an eye. Chopper was complaining solely due to rushing to conclusions and ended up looking pathetic. The medicine talk just makes things worse because Oda made the plight of the kids looks like it needed specialized treatment. But nope, Law's powers just happen to fix it as a side thought once the arc is over.
No, Law talked about abandoning them when it was first brought up. I meant to say that Chopper told Law to give the kids medicine and law being lazy decided to do the quick thing. Also, considering it was the first time Chopper saw Law's power in action then anyone would be surprised. Chopper knew that Law could switch personalities, but splitting bodies was something he did not witness. I checked.
Maybe that is how Chopper will defeat Doc Q and cure him and Stronger of their bodily ailments. With adorable mascot hugs.
That pretty much seems the only thing he needs before passing away.
Why would you think that? They literally mentioned that it's an illness, and it has effects of amnesia. Big Mom is a huge selfish baby, but that's why this type of illness thematically suits her so much. Her personality doesn't have to mean that everything about her can't be a serious thing that needs to be dealt with.
Regardless of how you put it, this is a mental illness. Which needs psychiatric therapy to be resolved. How do you cure addiction otherwise. There is no pill against it. Just management.