Jinbe including the two Big Mom Pirates was golden. Such a boss.
If you think about it, totally makes sense. Those two will face Big Mom's wraith in a scenario they're envisioning.
Jinbe including the two Big Mom Pirates was golden. Such a boss.
If you think about it, totally makes sense. Those two will face Big Mom's wraith in a scenario they're envisioning.
Oh shit. What a turn of event. Did anybody even predict this Bege-SH alliance? Suggested by Jimbe on top of that?
Well, Capone just targets the boss, and laughs at the fall down of the organizations.
But even if he concentrates all of his forces on taking out Big Mom only, are Capone and his crew enough to take her out? If not for Luffy, he would definitely get defeated.
It's not a surprise to see Luffy transitioning in a matter of pages from "this guy Bege, I've had enough of him" to "ok, let's meet with him right away".
I was afraid Bege would be sidelined as a weaker Supernova, so I'm very happy with this development. I don't know if that crew member is Ceasar or not, but I wouldn't mind him joining Bege's crew. It would fit him, and be a satisfying end to the Ceasar Hostage plot, with him becoming the crew member of another underground organization as opposed to turning a new leaf or being captured by the marines.
Though part of me gets the feeling all of them are going to get a rude awakening once they piss off Mama.
This is like a slow moving trainwreck and I love it.
Seems like Jinbe's words are hinting Capone might have awakened his DF. Wouldn't be strange if he's had it for many years.
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I'm amazed how Capone can have a hideout on Yonkou area… Even more after hyping it up before
The other version uses base instead of hideout. Makes a lot more sense.
Considering the war with Kaido is going to take a whole bunch of supernova, the straw hat fleet, the minks, samurai and the Marco/WB pirates, its clear that the SH's and capone are going to need considerably more to deal damage to big mom.
Luffy using Gear fifth (aka pulling out a den-den mushi and calling Urouge) should do it, although I think that's swinging things too much in favour of the SH's
Loved this chapter, really interesting stuff and a game changer, I'm looking forward to the conclusion of all this.
Jinbe was awesome, the gag about him counting the other two as part of their numbers was pretty funny, specially the second time.
I'm really having a hard time figuring out what is going to happen next.
I'm amazed how Capone can have a hideout on Yonkou area… Even more after hyping it up before
I'm also confused. That man is a rolling Castle himself. Why "hiding" in a big Castle when you can hide all your Crew inside yourself?
Anyway, here's to hoping Big Mom didn't just leave security up to Bege without thinking it through.
Considering the intelligence network she has, everything Jinbe knows about Capone, Big Mom knows as well.
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The other version uses base instead of hideout. Makes a lot more sense.
The term 'base' really makes a lot more sense here, since he is going to be officially elected to "Rook".
I forgot I was going to put OP on a break until I was half-way through it, so hi
16chars of mandatory "I thought it was Robin in the cover"
I wonder if Jinbe was really counting Brulée and trainguy or he is just adding 2 other allies we are not aware of yet.
Talking about allies, curious they are just 10. Why Jinbe isn't counting the Sun Pirates as well?
And talking about the Sun Pirates, I am curious about Praline here. She is now aware one of her mother's subordinates has a big chance of not just ruining one of her dear Tea Parties but also catching her crew off-guard and maybe even getting the help of another of the Worst Generation in doing so. As much confidence as she may have in BM Pirates, I wonder if she will just keep it a secret from her mother.
I was really impressed with Luffy paying attention to the whole exposition until the end when I couldn't do it myself, my mind just wandered away at some point of Bege's life story.
The absolute lack of any kind of sense of danger is reaching ridiculous levels. Not only Luffy sees fighting a Yonkou head on as something trivial (as expected of him), but the whole group seem quite fine with crashing the TP and fighting a Yonkou crew directly (even when half of the SH are not even there). Even Nami and Chopper are "sure, let's fight the Yonkou!", I almost believe Usopp would be just as confident as they are if he was there. Much was said already by how easy things are in this arc, but having even the characters suddenly not acknowledging a Yonkou crew as something out of their caliber is something else.
I really hope this is leading to Oda actually giving them a reality check and making them suddenly realize how much they are underestimating the situation once the fights start. Otherwise…
Anyway, here's to hoping Big Mom didn't just leave security up to Bege without thinking it through.
Considering the intelligence network she has, everything Jinbe knows about Capone, Big Mom knows as well.
He is supposedly deserving of her trust, so building an house/hideout for himself in one of her territories shouldn't be a problem.
Is Capone going to be an ally also in the final war? After taking down a Yonko would be pretty fun to go at the head of the world government.
BM's Intel Network are her homies. The last time we saw G66 (where they drank), we have seen homies with "…"-text-bubbles. They probably would have reported anything strange to Napoleon or to a Minister or chess soldier.
He is supposedly deserving of her trust, so building an house/hideout for himself in one of her territories shouldn't be a problem.
I'm talking about putting an outsider completely in charge of wedding and banquet security. And outsider with history of killing gang leaders for sport.
So we are supposed to believe the guy on the last panel is a cc super look a like or something? I think his horns are just hid by his hair and he isnt a gas because as a logia he can be gas or solid on whim like smoker.
@¡Sanji:
So we are supposed to believe the guy on the last panel is a cc super look a like or something? I think his horns are just hid by his hair and he isnt a gas because as a logia he can be gas or solid on whim like smoker.
Or Capone put sea stone on him just to be sure. He doesn't look too happy sitting there.
Just noticed Gotti is holding a chain in his left hand. Maybe attached to CC's leg?
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@.access:
- The absolute lack of any kind of sense of danger is reaching ridiculous levels. Not only Luffy sees fighting a Yonkou head on as something trivial (as expected of him), but the whole group seem quite fine with crashing the TP and fighting a Yonkou crew directly (even when half of the SH are not even there). Even Nami and Chopper are "sure, let's fight the Yonkou!", I almost believe Usopp would be just as confident as they are if he was there. Much was said already by how easy things are in this arc, but having even the characters suddenly not acknowledging a Yonkou crew as something out of their caliber is something else.
I really hope this is leading to Oda actually giving them a reality check and making them suddenly realize how much they are underestimating the situation once the fights start. Otherwise…
Well I for one am not looking to read a story arc that's bleak from beginning to end. Luffy had great moments in Impel Down and Marineford despite always being ultimately outmatched, and those moments didn't take away from the threat of the main bads.
And heck, Jinbe even explicitly stated this chapter that the forces they had faced so far were only the tip of the iceberg. Doesn't mean there can't be confidence.
This is a really exciting development. I absolutely cannot wait for this meeting to happen. Next chapter perhaps?
Jinbe mentioning Diesel and Brulee as part of the team so casually had me in stitches.
Boss Jinbe didn't give the mission's name yet. I'm waiting.
This is getting interesting. Big Mom won't be defeated but she will be very pissed with them.
Just noticed Gotti is holding a chain in his left hand. Maybe attached to CC's leg?
Apparently it is part of his gun.
I like how it's Chopper that reacts in dread to the whole animal beheading thing. It's the little details.
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Or Capone put sea stone on him just to be sure. He doesn't look too happy sitting there.
Just noticed Gotti is holding a chain in his left hand. Maybe attached to CC's leg?
He apparently uses that chain as his trigger.
@.access:
- The absolute lack of any kind of sense of danger is reaching ridiculous levels. Not only Luffy sees fighting a Yonkou head on as something trivial (as expected of him), but the whole group seem quite fine with crashing the TP and fighting a Yonkou crew directly (even when half of the SH are not even there).
They have been given no reason to be afraid of this bunch. The Big Mom Pirates have been a joke. There will be 1 or 2 Sweet Commanders, that should be countered by Luffy and Jinbei well enough. Sure, BIg Mom itself might be too much, but they can all run away and go back into the Mirror World when push comes to show. And the BMP have been so incompetent, that escape shouldnt be a problem.
so it is now confirmed jinbe is the SH's main strategist. they could make Bege the culprit in BM's eyes
Yeah I am liking him as the strategist, not taking anything away from Sanji. However Jinbe has far more battle expertise so it would only make sense. However my only issue is he doesn't know how strong everyone is in the crew. I doubt that will be a problem for long and things will continue to work out Strawhat like.
@SunnyBlue:
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/857/4069/10
I'm laughing at the way Jinbe is holding Chopper.lol
I'm surprised that Luffy listen all the way through & actually agree with Jinbe.
Jinbe talks way too much…4-2? Who voted against the plan?
LMAO. I didn't even notice he was holding Chopper.
I believe Pedro and Jinbe voted for the alliance.
I can't imagine Luffy not puching Bege in the face for trying to kill Pekoms.
Re: NotCaesar, I had the same thought at first but in addition to what was already noted, that guy is also missing the horns.
Interesting chapter. With Capone being appointed head of the wedding security, the situation is taking a more believable turn as far as convenient-lack-of-information is concerned. I still want to find at least one major Charlotte sibling on his side, though.
Not to mention that if Jinbei could find out about Capone's past and methods, it would be surprising that her extensive information network didn't. I would find it damaging to her character if she didn't have any countermeasures prepared.
I would assume someone of her stature has a second security detail that Capone isn't aware of and she is playing along to see how far the corruption goes.
@Roronoa:
I liked all those godfather references: 5 families, a beheaded horse, "an offer he cannot refuse",…
Now please, Oda, Dress up the SHs in Mafia suits just for the tea Party! And let Sanji hide a gun in the toilet and let him pick it up before he lifts the veil. XD
You do know that they have been dressed up in all black suits before, in the beginning of the Dressrosa arc.
@Kishido:
I'm amazed how Capone can have a hideout on Yonkou area… Even more after hyping it up before
I think the "hideout" is inside of him or perhaps he hides them all inside of him then brings them out inside of his room.
Loved the god father references with the beheaded horse and the making an offer you can't refuse!
So many Godfather references. I was half expecting Jinbei to say 'Pekoms slept with the fishes before we saved him'. I'm really curious to hear Bege's plan, I think it would be cool if he had an awakened devil fruit and turned the entire wedding into the inside of his fortress.
I'm talking about putting an outsider completely in charge of wedding and banquet security. And outsider with history of killing gang leaders for sport.
He isn't an outsider though, he is married to her daughter for maybe two years(we don't know when it happened I believe), she trusted him enough for him to get to that position.
Still it might not be as simple as we think, she might actually be aware of what Bege is doing, but maybe not the fact that he will ally himself with Luffy and that migth be the actual surprise for her.
depends on what role they have in the underworld…
if they are brokers like doffy,bringing down a yonkou does them no good, they are a source of business like never seen before in the end,they basically rule entire countries made of several different isles, it's certainly more profitable than the usual business with islands outside of the WG.
but if they are just criminals looking from areas to set their influence on, then the void of power could benefit them.
I would actually have to disagree with the first point, bringing down a yonkou could benefit them because it is a change in leadership. If they don't like the current arrangement they could be in favor of removing big mom.
@Razh:
Seems like Jinbe's words are hinting Capone might have awakened his DF. Wouldn't be strange if he's had it for many years.
Interested in how you came to that conclusion, I didn't get that at all after first read.
@.access:
I forgot I was going to put OP on a break until I was half-way through it, so hi
The absolute lack of any kind of sense of danger is reaching ridiculous levels. Not only Luffy sees fighting a Yonkou head on as something trivial (as expected of him), but the whole group seem quite fine with crashing the TP and fighting a Yonkou crew directly (even when half of the SH are not even there). Even Nami and Chopper are "sure, let's fight the Yonkou!", I almost believe Usopp would be just as confident as they are if he was there. Much was said already by how easy things are in this arc, but having even the characters suddenly not acknowledging a Yonkou crew as something out of their caliber is something else.
I really hope this is leading to Oda actually giving them a reality check and making them suddenly realize how much they are underestimating the situation once the fights start. Otherwise…
Well then welcome back.
I to am confused by how carefree everyone is about facing a yonkou, however I am trying to keep it in perspective they aren't fighting to win they are only trying to fight to damage her. Either way I think they still will receive a rude awakening that Big Mom was more prepared than they had thought. However some good ole Strawhat luck will kick in and they will make it out in the end, with Capone holding the bag.
He isn't an outsider though, he is married to her daughter for maybe two years(we don't know when it happened I believe), she trusted him enough for him to get to that position.
Still it might not be as simple as we think, she might actually be aware of what Bege is doing, but maybe not the fact that he will ally himself with Luffy and that migth be the actual surprise for her.
That's what I had in mind.
An outsider in the sense of not being with her since the moment of his birth. I don't think she would be where she is now if her trust was easily given. Plus we know she's been fooled before and disappointed even by her own daughter. I have a mild feeling Capone might finally take a bite too big to swallow this time.
If not, good riddance to Big Mom and thanks for all the hype.
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Interested in how you came to that conclusion, I didn't get that at all after first read.
The part where "his enemies would just bounce off his impenetrable fortress". Along with showing a fortress. Might just be a metaphorical image, but would it really be surprising if Capone were capable of a lot more than he had shown so far? And it's about time we start seeing more of these awakenings.
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Apparently it is part of his gun.
He apparently uses that chain as his trigger.
Apparently. Gotcha.
@Zar:
I was afraid Bege would be sidelined as a weaker Supernova, so I'm very happy with this development. I don't know if that crew member is Ceasar or not, but I wouldn't mind him joining Bege's crew. It would fit him, and be a satisfying end to the Ceasar Hostage plot, with him becoming the crew member of another underground organization as opposed to turning a new leaf or being captured by the marines.
Though part of me gets the feeling all of them are going to get a rude awakening once they piss off Mama.
This is like a slow moving trainwreck and I love it.
I had the exact same worries about Bege, and also think that Caesar would be a nice fit on Bege's crew. People have said that he would fit in Buggy's crew, and I get why since they're cowardly schemers. But Caesar being a developer of weapons of mass destruction and poisoning kids feels a few steps above how Buggy's crew is comprised of jokes threat-wise.
@.access:
- The absolute lack of any kind of sense of danger is reaching ridiculous levels. Not only Luffy sees fighting a Yonkou head on as something trivial (as expected of him), but the whole group seem quite fine with crashing the TP and fighting a Yonkou crew directly (even when half of the SH are not even there). Even Nami and Chopper are "sure, let's fight the Yonkou!", I almost believe Usopp would be just as confident as they are if he was there. Much was said already by how easy things are in this arc, but having even the characters suddenly not acknowledging a Yonkou crew as something out of their caliber is something else.
I really hope this is leading to Oda actually giving them a reality check and making them suddenly realize how much they are underestimating the situation once the fights start. Otherwise…
Throughout the entire arc, they've talked several times about how Big Mom should not be underestimated and how dangerous the territory is. They've acknowledged the danger from the start.
The point Oda was trying to display was that the Straw Hats prioritize Sanji's well-being over their lives. All Sanji has been worrying about is making sure the rest of the crew is safe because he thinks that he will just be a burden to them that will get them killed. He immensely regrets the actions he took against Luffy and Nami earlier in the arc. Yet after everything they've been through, the minute they hear about how they have a chance at getting Sanji out in one piece despite there being astronomically high risks involved, they celebrate because they appreciate their nakama that much. Just last chapter, Sanji was lamenting over how his compassion is a curse and how he doesn't deserve to return to the ship. Just look at Sanji's panels on these pages and how initially hesitant he is in the first and how speechless he is in the second:
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It's similar to how shocked Robin was towards everybody being willing to declare war with the World Government to save her. These pages are meant to illustrate Sanji's character arc of how he needs to learn to appreciate himself more and rely on his friends rather than keep being so self-sacrificial all the time.
Bege is a real Psycho.
Just like with the animals he loves to take the head of pirate Crews and organizations just to watch the chaotic aftermath of the headless "Body". IDK if psychologists have an own Name for such a mental disorder.
I don't think he's much more than a sociopath.
I liked all those godfather references: 5 families, a beheaded horse, "an offer he cannot refuse",…
Now please, Oda, Dress up the SHs in Mafia suits just for the tea Party! And let Sanji hide a gun in the toilet and let him pick it up before he lifts the veil. XD
I'm such a sucker for organized crime tropes. All Bege needs to do is pet a cat (Pekoms would do nicely) for me to switch over to a Bege avatar.
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Considering how far Bege went to get Sanji for the wedding, it makes sense for Big Mom to trust him by now. I'm not necessarily of the mind that she needs a backup plan of her own to counteract Bege. I like Death Note, but the amount of plans and backup plans the characters had for everything was absolutely extreme and I don't want something like that happening for One Piece. But Big Mom does not necessarily need a perfect counter to come out on top over Bege. I don't know what Bege has in mind to take out Big Mom, and she may be no Kaido, but she's all but definitely extremely hard to kill. I could imagine it going somewhat like this:
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Now, that's not to say she couldn't be at least a bit prepared, but let's not expect it to reach Death Note levels here. Let's not forget a certain no-name New World pirate named Squard, who got the jump on Whitebeard with a cleverly devised plan. But Big Mom's physical reaction will probably be the same as Whitebeard's in this case, and this time I don't think she'll have forgiveness on her mind for her son (in law)
I'm still completely lost as to how the crew intends to resolve the Zeff hostage crisis. Crashing Big Moms beloved tea party with a side order of massive betrayal doesn't seem like a solution.
The part where "his enemies would just bounce off his impenetrable fortress". Along with showing a fortress. Might just be a metaphorical image, but would it really be surprising if Capone were capable of a lot more than he had shown so far? And it's about time we start seeing more of these awakenings.
The Firetank hideout on the last spread might be a sign of that, too. Create permanent shelter in the form of a full scale castle, except the interior still obeys to Capone's every whim.
@Daz:
I'm still completely lost as to how the crew intends to resolve the Zeff hostage crisis. Crashing Big Moms beloved tea party with a side order of massive betrayal doesn't seem like a solution.
I wonder about that too, but there isn't really an obvious choice. So right now, they're just trying to save as many people as they can in their immediate vicinity despite the risks. It's probably going to be one of those lucky miracle turnouts when all of the wedding chaos probably spirals into Big Mom forgiving Luffy. Although I'm just hoping that instead of them being on goody-goody terms, Luffy makes Big Mom a deal she can't refuse by somehow gaining leverage that convinces her to let both the Straw Hats and Zeff go.
But hey, maybe something related to Zeff can come up in the next chapter where we're bound to learn more details about Bege's plan (unless Oda pulls a Fishman Island and decides to skip out on showing specific planning details until it's already starting to unfold).
About Zeff, didn't Reiju say Germa and Big Mom were probably just hanging that above Sanji's head to make sure he didn't try to leave? The way she said it made it sound like it was an empty threat.
@Daz:
I'm still completely lost as to how the crew intends to resolve the Zeff hostage crisis. Crashing Big Moms beloved tea party with a side order of massive betrayal doesn't seem like a solution.
It has bothered me for a while, but with how things are shaping up now there might not be a need for resolution anymore once the dust settles. If the combined Capone-Straw Hat plan is a success, Big Mom and her crew - if she's even still in any position of power - will face far bigger issues than exerting revenge on some remote restaurant owner. Things they could be dealing with:
So for the time being, I'd say it is safe to take Reiju's advice: worry about it later
Well Bege seems like a nice guy, and that's putting it lightly. Also, to the people who predicted a truce between Luffy and Bege, Good job you freaks.:ninja:
Jinbei as the SH Strategist, I'm 120% behind this. I'll take a guess that the plan name is, Operation: Cavity.
@Massimo:
Oh shit. What a turn of event. Did anybody even predict this Bege-SH alliance? Suggested by Jimbe on top of that?
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=44907
Actually I always make predictions on spoiler threads which fall under the radar because anyone reading thinks I'm spouting nonsense at the time but I have made a lot of accurate calls in recent times about future chapters. If only I wasn't lazy to go dig up my posts from the past lol.
@Kaido:
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I forgot what a cool Yamamoto moment this was.
Also the invading soldiers looked like 10-ish flat figures in the next page, which was lol.
The Firetank hideout on the last spread might be a sign of that, too. Create permanent shelter in the form of a full scale castle, except the interior still obeys to Capone's every whim.
Yeah, he might be able to morph his environment into a fortress in a limited range. Seems like something awakened fortress man would be able to do.
Jimbei counting Brulee and Diesel as part of their team and Carrot going all goofy after being praised both felt very Straw Hat-esque. I loved that. I'd love for both of them to join the crew.
Though, I guess Brulee and Diesel are in the same situation as Opera. They're both probably as good as dead if they return to Big Mom so they may as well help them to save their own skins.
I'm also loving everyone betraying each other. I've been loving Zou/Totland so far. I really think this saga could end as one of my favorites in the series.
My highpoints and questions:- Big Mom was introduced as a knowing all pirate. Is she losing the battle of information?- Is Big Mom that big of an idiot to trust the defences of the party to a pirate famous for being this treacherous?- Will Luffy maybe even save Big Mom from Capone in the last minute?- The time Robin talked about has come. Along with alliance comes betrayal. Law will never betray Luffy, so it is up to Capone…- Will Absalon be there to inform the world what´s going on?
Bege-centered chapter. SO SWEET! Figured Luffy would temporarily side forces with him, I'm hyped as all hell.
Hancock :wub:
I'm glad it was Vito that did away with Bobbin and the CC lookalike seems badass, and I disliked the CC design but with a few touch ups apparently it looks great…
Is it me or Salome is bigger?
Is it me or Salome is bigger?
Looks longer for sure. (My Salome got bigger when I saw that cover page)